Honda Pioneer 1000 Tune Shootout 

I agree, very objective video. Love the butt dyno rating🤣🤣🤣

The R&D and experience win it for me though!

You're absolutely correct. The induction kit that I have on my machine is amazing. It turned my machine to a whole other animal. The R&D that COPS has done on the machines is invaluable. Looking forward to what other products they have come out in the future. One thing I didn't make mention of in the video, though, is that Scott Alvarez has much longer general racing/engine experience than COPS does. That's why I made sure and differentiated experience relating to powersports vs. just experience in racing and engines.

@@runwildpowersports5567 gotcha - didn’t know that. COPS works well for me, unless something changes - they’re doing great.

I actually have 35 years of experience. It’s just not talked about much. My first high performance engine i built was in 1987. I use to race dirt bikes when i was a teenager and have always done my own work as I’m a 3rd generation mechanic my family has been in automotive performance since the 50’s. I worked as a mechanic for a long time only recently changed careers. I’ve built transmissions, differentials, engines everything from small to diesels, and marine. I appreciate the video and thought they were well thought out and definitely not bias.

@@jls2966 the bias is so obvious. Why can't Ruben accurately display any of the facts?? Why are all his errors made in one direction? You can go to the PV3 Facebook page and see that Scott Alvarez doesn't even understand the most basic concept of internal combustion engines. He was asking why the Pioneer would have different fueling front to rear on 8/4/2020. You read that right. TWENTY TWENTY, a few months ago. Someone explained to him, in very novice terms, that the port length is different and that's why. (Not entirely correct) He responded with a picture measuring the diameter of the throttle body adapter plate. Your read that correctly, the DIAMETER, not length of the plate, NOT the port. Anyone who wants screenshots can email Zachary@completeoffroadpowersports.com I've been drag racing for 34 years. Spent half days in kindergarten and half days in a hot rod shop with one of the fastest street legal, full weight, full body street legal pickups in the country. Tuned my first engine 25 years ago. Built my first engine 22 years ago. Was ASE MASTER certified 19 years ago. Was on the T1 team that built the world's first 8 second front wheel drive drag car (8.8 1320 1890HP out of a 2.1L). Held the world record for fastest full body, full weight Ford Lighting (7.9 1320 on a Supercharged 6.2L) built with my best friend Kevin Hargett (one of the best drag car drivers of all time). Was #2 on the team that won the Outlaw 10.5 championship with Kevin driving. The fastest car I've ever tuned went 4.00 at 190 to 660' at 2400lb (tube chassis ProMod). Second fastest car went 4.15 to 660' at 3100lb (a back halved 2001 Mustang). I CURRENTLY have the world's fastest and quickest Pioneer AND world's quickest KRX. AGAIN, I currently, repeat currently, have the world's fastest and quickest Pioneer 1000. On 32s, long travel, full weight, 5 seater with car seats and a cooler full of beer. GET SOME SCOTT

I forgot to mention that my brother, the co-owner of COPS, has more powersports experience than all of the people commenting on this video COMBINED. Scott doesn't even know what a HD-8 is. (Pathetic ignorance)

Just so that we are clear, FCT did not send a drag race tune, either. We are not interested in a drag race tune. Although that would make for a pretty cool RU-vid video, it would not translate into real life--as you also suggest. What was tested here is two tunes that can each be loaded on the machines in perpetuity--for a variety of terrains/uses. Both tuners contest that their respective tunes will provide power and longevity in the machine. Both tuners were let known ahead of time that these tunes were going to be used in this capacity. We have no reason to suspect that either tuner sent a tune that could only be used for drag racing. All that being said, I am 100% confident in the fact that this is an apples to apples comparison and a fair comparison between the two.

@@runwildpowersports5567 FCT sent a tune with all the same features that our drag race tune has. Clutch slip, reduced shift torque reduction and reduced drivability. Being an amateur tuner does not change the facts. Saying it is an apples to apples comparison is insulting and COMPLETELY ABSURD. Our tune has been PROVEN over thousands of machines for years and the other is written by someone who was asking how to use the device a month ago. The paved flat road performance is virtually identical on our second most docile 87 octane tune compared to FCT most aggressive tune. We don't have to sacrifice any clutch life, reliability, longevity, driveability or fuel economy to do it. Ours is a tune written to get 50,000 miles out of the machine in an off-road environment. The other is a tune that slips the clutches, will definitely shorten the life of the machine, turns all the safety/adaption/trim features off, will definitely foul plugs/O2 sensor and gets terrible fuel economy.

@@zacharymorris9917 I appreciate your loyalty to your product. It’s always good to have passion about what you’re doing. That’s what makes this community great. I stand behind the results of these tests and believe in the validity of them, 100%. I’m sorry if you feel otherwise and that the data supports our findings.

Do you know the top speed

In high range, with his particular setup. In low range, not so much right? I'll tell you what, I don't race my Pioneer... so I am going to do neither.

L Hall, turns out, FCT was actually better in low if we analyzed the numbers in total. See link below and scroll to the bottom. runwildpowersports.com/blogs/news/honda-pioneer-1000-tune-shootout 👍🏻

I do want to do this, for sure. Unfortunately on my machine since I have the cams and throttle body upgrade, I can’t do a stock baseline run. I do plan on finding a stock machine with both tunes in order to do this, though.

Exactly. Is it enough of a difference to make a difference? I've had tunes done to all kinds of things and for the most part, meh. Better? Yeah I guess... but when you consider the money spent and the warranties voided vs. actual performance gains I think it's marginal.

@@lrh411 that’s the real question. It’s not like these are high horsepower, forced induction machines from the factory. So I think the changes to a stock machine have more to do with better use of power. Not so much the addition of significant amounts of power. But time will tell once I get a chance to test!!!

You're going to love it. Let us know how it turns out!!!

@@runwildpowersports5567 I got out on the Pioneer today, what a blast to drive! I went with the Florida Cracker Hot Trail Stage 2 tune. Stock exhaust (custom 2" stainless tip) and stock intake. The shift points are right where they should be now, not struggling to find the right gear. The elimination of the speed limiter in low range is a huge plus, especially in winter when I have the tracks on. Can't wait to get out in the dirt.

Good question. The kill tune is just to make a video where it lift the from wheels off the ground. It falls on its face after that. It would be a really bad tune to test it with. As far as the COPS tune, I let Zach know that we were going to be making a video comparing the two tunes. He said it would be best to start with the trail tune then he did several tweaks after I data logged it to get it to the point where he felt confident that he had the best tune for the comparison against Florida Cracker. After talking with Florida Cracker, he wished I had done the stage 3 tune in the comparison because it has a less aggressive clutch engagement which have been less wheel spin and likely a wider win against the COPS tune. Off the video, I have done some comparisons on the stage 3 FCP tune and the COPS tune in the video and the FCP tune does, in fact, run even better than the stage 4 in the comparison video because there’s less wheel spin. Hope this helps!!!

@@runwildpowersports5567 thanks for the info

www.roughcountry.com/honda-pioneer-bumper-panels-92023c.html#2921=6496

Since this particular Pioneer has cams and intake modifications, I can't load the stock tune in order to see what the stock machine would get. However, I will have a new video coming out soon that compares a 100% stock machine with the aftermarket tunes.

I would like to know to

I'm too attached to it!!! Plus, just set it up with some new wheels and tires. :)

Brian it's on the market now!!! :)

Tusk Terrabyte 30” tires. It does not have a lift. Just the Super ATV front and rear arms along with Fox shocks. 👍🏻

@@runwildpowersports5567 I am about to get the 1000-5 but with Terrabyte 30s. Do you have to have upgraded A Arms to run them or can you do a 3 inch lift instead?

@@sawyerhall6564 You can do a 3 inch lift to get 30's to fit or just some forward A arms. Texas Tough Customs would be my suggestion.

@@runwildpowersports5567 thanks so much

In the video I had 30" Tusk Terrabytes and SuperATV forward and rearward arms.

@@runwildpowersports5567 do the tunes make up the difference for the larger tires? Looking for a similar setup but do not want to loose much power.

That’s discussed in the video. 👍🏻

@@runwildpowersports5567 Thank you. I just watched the video again and realized that. I was coming back to try and delete my comment LOL Thank you

@@danielhochhausen1634 no problem at all. Thanks for watching!!!

runwildpowersports.com/blogs/news/honda-pioneer-1000-tune-shootout There are some discrepancies with the Dragy on the screen and then their post run data sheet. On the link above there are the post run data logs and the whiteboard. That being said, that only affected the 60’ times. All other numbers on the board and the results that followed are 100% accurate.

I was looking at the 20 second 1/8th miles he wrote down and I’m like wtf is this man talking about?! Everything is WAY off. The 1/8th miles would be way slower than a stock pioneer, I have no idea what kinda calculator this guy was using but throw it away!

It’s to make it faster and have more power. Not necessarily to make it more like a Talon, though.

@@runwildpowersports5567 you guys have a website other than Facebook?

@@fouryearproductions yes, RunWildPowersports.com We will be having more content and products in the coming months. 👍🏻

Front bumper is Rough Country.

www.roughcountry.com/honda-pioneer-bumper-panels-92023c.html#2921=6496