The death of the Genegineer reminds me a little of how Bolivar Trask, creator of the original Sentinels, dies in Uncanny X-Men #16. Trask learns that the X-Men are good guys and that not all mutants are threats, and proceeds to sacrifice himself to neutralize his Sentinels. With Moreau it's slightly different, but he does ultimately side with the good guys to try and rid his country of a sadistic madman. It's a good way for the character to go out, but it's also sad that he never got to reconcile with his son Phillip.
@@ciaranlentze5946 I was thinking of Philip too. It would be interesting to learn what Philip thought when he learned of the details of his father’s death - if he ever did.
I always appreciated the continuity of Storm clowning Logan’s hair style from the Havok and Wolverine series in issue 246. Speaking of continuity, shouldn’t Kitty have been on Muir Isle recovering from her injuries from the Mutant Massacre?🤔
Yeah, Jerel, that was the weird hairstyle he had in the Havok Meltdown mini series, as painted by Kent Williams and Jon J. Muth. No, Kitty was recovered by this point in continuity and along with Nightcrawler an active member of Excalibur.
Great review,andcommentary! The covers of serviceable,and the interior art is pretty good. The fight choreography is pretty good too.. as it has to be when this Duo meets up!! I love that Wolverine's other senses can compensate for blindness.. for Logan that does make sense. I love this because it calls back to the period I jumped on this title! I certainly remember that original panel right away.. the next issue I got my hands on was the one 251... My subscription started two issues later.. so Logan leaving the X-Men for a while was a pretty big deal. There's room for a story to be told here. This one is intriguing so far... And I love the idea that it could never be that easy (as cool as it is to see Logan decapitate Creed. I had a book with black panther does Does that and I'm like come on. He had a big sword though . I don't think it took place in the regular continuity. They both have Captain America level experience I think I also like the call back about clones it works very well... You've mentioned it in some reviews of certain issues.. their first fight I had round one.. now that's a cover. I grabbed Wolverine Revenge 1... I had no idea what this was out.. and Chris Claremont! I'm in all the way!
I'm buying these callbacks but are we spending too much time rehashing the past? The other one of these wolverines call backs "Madipoor Nights" wasn't great.
I think at this point, this is all that Marvel will let him do, these "In-between the panels' " stories (with this one taking place between Issue 246 and issue 251 of Uncanny X-men).
Madripoor Knights didn't stick its landing. The ending was perfunctory. But I did enjoy Claremont's return to Madripoor, an island and culture he created, as well as his spot-on Wolverine. In addition, his version of Cap is excellent. So far, I feel this new mini is stronger, as if Claremont's getting more and more energised by his recent returns to the original 16 year run. I feel like he's enjoying himself on this one, and because it's four issues, there'll be no flab.
I wonder is he happy with this, or does he want to do something else, something new. The man, at 73, is past retirement age, but he's definitely a spry septuagenarian, and I wonder whether he's got something new in him. Could be.
@@comicsbazaar4508 I agree the start was good and the ingredients. There's a certain magic to the original 90's period of Uncanny for me. I'll be lining up to buy issuie 3 of deep cuts today.
Yes. But it's covered in Wolvie's first-person narration. He says he's wearing it deliberately so as to be taken for a ghost. This has to be a bit of joke, but anyway, that's how it's explained in issue 1.
I have been really enjoying this. Amazing story. The art is good. I wish the covers where a little better. I bought the David Yardin alternative cover which is ace and i will get him to sign it in the future. I want more Claremount but give him the editor role to oversee the x titles.
I'd like to see Salazar do the covers himself. I don't like Marvel's current practice of having different artists do the covers. It should be the interior artist does the main cover.
@@comicsbazaar4508 I love alternative covers. Some might say a money grab by Marvel but i love certain artists so it's great to see them back on the title. Artgerm and campbell are some of my favs. By the way have yoiu seen the kickstarter with Andy Kubert? Love your channel . Thanks so much. Always a highlight to listen to your insights.
Fantastic cover by Bogdanove. I think the Al Milgrom inks aren't helping the art in this issue. Bogdanove's work looks much better inked by Terry Austin (yes....I said something positive about Terry Austin!) in the Fantastic Four vs X-Men limited series. If you haven't read that yet, I recommend it highly. It's a great story by Claremont, one of my favorites.
@@paulreilly2304 I have recently purchased that crossover miniseries precisely because you recommended it. It’s winging its way from Canada as I type this. Will review it in the next couple of months.
Thanks for the info on the never-finished follow up. Interesting. There absolutely is still an annual free concert in Central Park by the NY Philharmonic. I remember seeing posters for it in the subway early this summer. Never been to one though. Maybe next year I should change that.
You should definitely check it out, Paul, and see if you can spot Claremont there too! I've still gotta make a trip to NYC again. I haven't been since January 2018. I'm thinking of doing a trip next March around St Patrick's that would take in Boston too. We'll see.
Salazar's art has definiyely improved since the previous series. He's gotten better at conveying movement. Some of his action panels in "Madripoor Knights" looked like the characters were holding awkward static poses, rather than moving. I was impressed by the panels re-capping #246.
Yes, it is, and he’s deliberately wearing the old costume to fool people into thinking he’s a ghost. I think he’s being ironic when he says that to himself.
Those two would've made a great cover, you're right. Those 2 have fought a lot. Like the one time Warren had those light powers. I hated when the cover ink would still be wet back then,nice video.
Man, what a great action-packed chapter this is , re-reading it! Gambit's lockpicking sequence is indeed awesome, but I can't help but wince every time I see that spike lodged in his leg! Especially knowing he took it on purpose!
@@ciaranlentze5946 It’s a nice bit. Also, the bit between Psylocke and Cyclops, given that they’d not met before properly. Makes me wonder if this was the origin of Lee’s subplot about Psylocke seducing Cyclops in adjectiveless.
That two-page spread may be my favorite Jim Lee panel on X-Men just for the detail on the interior of the courtroom. He carried this crossover on his back! Great reviews ❤
I'm alway curious what these issues of Jim Lee's X-men looks like when it's not printed off-register on to toilet paper like the more premium comics like Wolverine or Ghost Rider. I'm sure they've reprinted them but probably have digitally recolored them.
@@Cincinnatijames I have the first collection of this crossover, which was published in 1991. The paper is not glossy stock; just thicker than newsprint. There’s no smudging and the colours are bright.
@@comicsbazaar4508 I have it was well. It was the EA crossover Trade Paperback from 1991/1992. It's not comic book paper. It's TP paper. But I must confess I prefer the newsprint coloring. Which may just be the interaction of the dyes with the different stock of paper. Fun fact: The TP also excluded the Dazzler subplot scenes in #270. They brought in another artist to pencil replacement panels. It's definitely not JL's pencils. And I don't know if Claremont scripted these panels since he was already gone from Marvel by this point.
@@channelz2929 I've never understood the fetishization of newsprint, especially the the late 80's Marvel web press printing was somehow the worst muddy mess ever. Even the mild step up in printing with the new X-men series was huge leap to the toilet paper Uncanny was on.
My pet theory is, Louise Simonson and Bogdanove got their marching orders from Bob Harras just before or while working on this issue. The two crossed the street together to DC. I think the dissatisfaction of being dumped from the comic is the explanation for that cover.
@@comicsbazaar4508 they both went to DC almost inmediatly right? To the new Man of Steel book. Maybe they already had the proposal from DC so they left? or made things easier for Harras? 🤔
@@josesarango3408 Yeah, they moved immediately to Man of Steel, and Louise Simonson was not happy about being dropped by Harras, and Claremont was not happy about it too. It factored into his quitting.
Am I the only one that thinks its weird that Psylocke is swimming in a pond? There is an indoor and an outdoor pool at Xavier's School. I hope she doesn't contract duck itch or some brain-eating amoeba.
It was interesting to drop any type of explanation for the two teams to co-exist in the same world. It's one of those, "don't think too deeply about it, and just enjoy the ride" type of cases. If you haven't already recorded part 2, can you provide more info about the dropped second issue of this crossover? I have this issue, but was not aware another issue was originally intended. If you remember my prior comments regarding Terry Austin, you won't be surprised that I'm not thrilled with the inking of this issue. While most of the book maintains the unmistakable Simonson style, certain panels and pages are inked too heavily for my taste, completely overtaking Simonson's style, leaving something which looks a bit generic. For my taste, I prefer Simonson inking himself. Have you read his Ragnarok series? Absolutely magnificent work by Simonson.
Hey, Paul, I recorded Part 2 today, and I've included at the end of the video as much as I could glean about the aborted sequel. The video will come out tomorrow. I always do prefer when an artist inks their own work. I am aware of the Ragnorak series, but I haven't read any of it yet. I'll see if I can get the collections for Christmas.
Seeing a Gil Kane influence in Simonson's art here as well as a Kirby krackle in the power effects. Think DC missed the boat by not offering Claremont a job on the Titans comic after he left Marvel. The two books were quite similar in the early to mid eighties and the Titans weren't as popular after Wolfman and Perez left. Until their resurgence as a cartoon with the same team members in the noughties but DC still didn't capitalise on them in terms of a comic book. This is an interesting oddity but nothing more. I also think Walt Simonson benefits from an inker like Terry Austin rather than inking himself or Bob Wiacek I think he worked with on X-Factor.
Yes, there's definitely a Gil Kane influence on Simonson's art, Mike. And yes, I also think that Austin's ink finishes look good over Simonson's pencils.
I have to disagree a bit on the cover. I think it's great and completely different for lee, very dynamic compared to his standing around posed covers, which I admire. Yes there is a circular composition on one level, but on another, there's a very 3 d8mesional spiral starting from storm going around down to Psylocke and then thrusting up and forward to Wolverine, and a great counter thrust is Hodge pushing forward from the other side. Love your videos. I've watched every single one, ND this is probably peak Lee before adjectiveless Xmen
Oh, we finally made it to the big start of change. 2:00 "this is great",I thought in my early 20's, that plotlines from years passed are being addressed. I've been a fan of the Kubert brothers for so long. Good speech by Prof. It's the next best thing to the art. Great job as always Darr,oh and congrats on over 2,000 subs. I have to catch up on some videos, I just got out of the hospital.
32:11 Lol. Dude, when this originally came out, it was probably the first time I had read and "witnessed" the resolution of a central plot point since I began reading the X-books as a kid. That along with hating those editor notes throughout books that told you about something you missed out on in a back issue from years prior, it felt so good to at least say for once "hey I was there when that happened" about something in comics.
One of my fav storylines, as we finally see the last of the X-Men that entered the Siege Perilous back in issue 251 If i recall correctly via a flashback while Logan was held captive by the reavers. ( the oh so classic X-crucified Logan cover by Silvestrie ) that reemerged. Reflecting back, it's almost like Magistrate Havok was a template for the Age of Apocalypse version in '95. We also have the returning Cameron Hodge, whom I believe sustained alive not just by technology, but a deal struck with N'Starih ( my apologies for the typos ) during Inferno.It's been so long since i read them, but i never forget the feelings reading them when they came out as a teen. Thank you for all the work and love you put into every video, it's refreshing to revisit the magic of comics back in the day.
Yes, you're right about the flashback in #251, Jason, and yes, Hodge did strike a deal with N'astirh, which he mentions in New Mutants #95. You're very welcome! Glad you're enjoying the reviews!
