very happy i came across this video, ive been working on my little warrior cats au and i needed some clarity for the things ive skimmed over, especially all the rules with naming a warrior as deputy or the tradition of taking apprentices to the moonstone :3 very sad honestly that even small things like the stuff mentioned by you in the video is not implemented anymore in the main titles
was it ever mentioned that tigerclaw's least favorite prey is squirrel because he doesn't like their fur? i've had this tidbit in my head ever since i first started reading warriors (~2013) and i literally can find no mention of it anywhere
For the kits allowed out of camp stuff, it is true. In Bluestar’s Prophecy Sunfall bring Bluekit out of camp to take a look at the territory. Yes, she was already six moons (she gets her ceremony when she comes back from her trip), but still a kit. Perhaps kits specifically six moons can go out of camp? Nah, that’s odd. Not allowing kits out of camp could be something they started doing after reaching the lake territories, and were still unsure of what dangers there could be? It could have just sticked to them like that. Anyways, i feel like most of these errors/misunderstandings/changes are because the books are written by a team of people and not just 1, they could’ve had different ideas or just forgot/were not informed about certain things.
Ive been meaning to reread the first arc. its just sitting there on my shelf. (I have all the books organized in chronological order.. nerdiest thing ever i know)
10:25 I have a little head cannon where CinderPelt was called that even though still being an apprentice was because of some strange forgotten and unmentioned rule that arc 1 forgot was a medicine cat apprentice could be named but they wernt like a full medicine cat untill the medicine cat retiered or died
I loved the forest era of warriors, i dont like the lake. The territories r awkward, the lakes size is questionable, wind clan became the new shadow clan and the maps r so weird it looks like they have very little room for hunting. There r like over 30 cats in thunder clan so it doesn't feel like they have enough to go around on a good day let alone in leafbare. I do wish they kept the idea of the apprentices going to the moonstone. Or in this case the moon pool. It would be an important part of their culture for each of them to know where to see starclan.
Apprentices journeying to the Moonstone is mentioned in Power of Three, when the three go to the mountains to help the tribe cats. Leafpool says: "We seem to have left that tradition behind, but I think there's value in apprentices making a long journey, to see what lies beyond their territories."
8:58 while this could imply that, I also think it could imply that sometimes kits form the same litter become apprenticed at different times if their mother doesn’t think they’re ready. However that would also imply that kits are being prepared and such while still in the nursery so 🤷 🤷♀️ 🤷♂️
EXACTLY THE SAME FOR ME I’m 21 now and I started at 11. I literally cannot break free from wc and I’ll probably never stop going back. I’m planning on rereading arc one too
The medicine cat apprentice thing is normal! Cats apprenticed to full medicine cats stay their apprentice til they die, even with a full name, Leafpool and Jayfeather as example, Jay is now a full medicine cat and Alderheart is still an apprentice:)
3:54 I just finished reading Tallstar's Revenge, and when Tallpaw gets apprenticed he goes to the moonstone. But besides that I don't remember it ever happening other than that one time in the first arc.
Loved this video!! You have such a calming presence. I really enjoy when people compare the older arcs to the newer arcs. There's sooo many differences that I feel aren't talked about enough. Thanks for making this :D
People never talk.about how fireheart gave a promise to cinderpaw (when she was recovered) that fireheart promised that they'd hunt the oldest, slowest, mouse in the forest but never did, I am on Eclipse (4th book or 3rd series)
crazy to see so many warrior cats kids’ recent resurgence. like what gives? why did i one day (last year) decide to read the entire series??? probably some grand cosmic alignment
I also noticed that moonstone thing! I'm currently re-reading the books and aside from a few mentions of the moonstone trip existing, the last one in midnight just when brambleclaw and others were leaving I think, no one ever goes there:D? Did they just forget a clan custom? When you start thinking about the Hunters writing these it starts to seem like that saying about cooks and kitchens:D
I actually think Cinderkit, Brackenkit, Thornkit and Brightkit were of the same litter in TPB! Bluestar admits Cinderkit and Brackenkit aren't old enough to begin training but are "otherwise ready". It makes me think Thornkit and Brightkit were late bloomers or something lol
Wild to see a real life person talking about warrior cats and not a lil cartoon cat drawing. My brain is struggling to process the fact that real people read these books (as if i am not a real person). But for real, so much happens in the first arc it's ts crazy. I do like the newer arcs but there's quite a bit of their unique culture that got lost throughout the series and i wish they had kept.
Before starting this video, I actually uhm did nott forget as I still am in the warriors community, thank you, I came from a Moonkitti video.(im being a smart allek)
One thing I realized while rereading the first arc was how close the Queens’ relationships with Bluestar was. They were often by Bluestar’s side when she was ill and were some of the only cats to be invited into her den (which was described as a great honor in the first arc)
The Journey to the Moonpool does pop up in a few books - Bluestar, Crookedstar, Tallstar and Yellowfang's super editions all show the respective cat's journeys. And Crowpaw mentions making the journey with his mentor in Midnight and in the same book Squirrelpaw is mentioned to be freightened of far territories because she hadn't made it yet.
I think in Tallstar's Revenge one of the apprentices went to the Moonstone? I might be COMPLETELY wrong because I havent read the book in quite a bit, but im thinking Barkpaw and whoever his sibling was went to the Moonstone for some reason (idk if it is their apprentice thing or a different reason
For Cinderpelts naming, I always explained it in my had as a naming ceremony and medic ceremont being different? Where once a cat become 12 moons old, they get their full name - but medics continue their training otherwise. But this doesnt happen in other books even though it couldve been coold, I remember Featherwhisker being an apprentice with a full name too (under Goosefeather)
8:37 On this note about Frostfur’s kits, I am pretty sure they are from the same litter. They are Cinderkit, Brightkit, Thornkit, and Brackenkit, they were either born before Firepaw joined the clan or very soon after, I can’t remember. Cinderpaw and Brackenpaw are apprenticed before 6 moons because Bluestar wanted Fireheart and Greystripe to have apprentices. Also a cat pregnancy is 2 months, and I can’t imagine not taking a break between litters, so It typically is just one litter per mother.
I think Frostfur had one litter of four but just didn't thought that Brightkit and Thornkit weren't ready enough. But i could be totaly wrong becouse the books gave us two different age gaps between the four siblings. 1. When they were taken by Clawface, all of them are the same age (visualy stated in Exile from Shadowclan comic) 2. In the little comic at the end of Yellowfang's secret super edition. We can see that Cinderpaw is prepairing for her medicine cat ceremony and two of her mentioned siblings are still kits I personaly think all of them are the same age but yeah it's pretty confusing
Yeah I think so too! I think another thing in the first arc is that there are no definitive times set on like, when someone becomes an apprentice and then a warrior. (I.e. Sandstorm and Dustpelt becoming warriors later than Greystripe and Fireheart, as well as Brightpaw and Swiftpaw being “held back” by Bluestar in a way) So it could easily be “ok these two are ready for apprenticeship (as in, they’re a bit more mature and developed compared to the other two, they’re mentally and physically ready for it), the other two not quite yet” instead of every kit without fail being apprenticed at 6 moons. 6 moons is a MINIMUM age someone has to be before being apprenticed, not a requirement of when someone starts. (And also, there’s a big difference between “just turned 6 moons” and “6 moons, about to turn 7 moons” in terms of development)
6:25 Vicky mentioned that the reason for the first arc not taking into account the family structures or the kits parents and their relationships with them is because they never expect the series to take off as it did, which is why in the newer arcs, the kits parents are noted and their relationship with them.
The first arc is absolutely amazing. I still remember stumbling upon Into The Wild while trying to find a book for a school assignment. Still can't fathom that Warriors is 21 years old, thats older than probably over half the Fandom
Ive been recently revising the first arc as well, and I noticed that the terminology has also changed. The first arc uses queen to mean any she-cat rather than a pregnant one, like later on. Silverpelt is no longer a term that the cats use.
Idk if someone mentioned it before but the trip to the moonpool is mentioned few times in The power of three, especially in Outcast because they take the trip to the mountains as something like a trip to the moonpool, and I think it's sometimes mentioned just like the senior warriors talking about the trip to the moonpool and stuff. I don't know if it is also in other arcs in my language, the books that are translated is only Power of three
