Ride is nice. Tempus did not work for me. Way too stable. I liked a lot the Speed 2. They f up the Speed 4 - that heel is too much and makes the shoe too bulky
My first 2 pairs developed the problem as they aged, On my latest Bondi 8 it was noticeable from the start and getting worse. Spenco does not seem to make this product anymore, I cut off the heels to some old inserts and its helped a little. Like most shoe companies today they don't seem to really care and leave quality control to the public. Any ruff or protruding point in a foot bed of any shoe is just wrong. No more Hoka's for me.
When you say it compares to the nimbus, are we talking just the stack height but not the cushion? Or both? I've been seeing reviews of people saying it's on the firmer side. Never ran in the Clifton so not sure how the midsole is on that shoe
As a former Brooks wearer, the Nimbus 25 were a God Send for my PF!! I couldn't wear anything other than these shoes to mitigate the pain. Absolutely thankful for these shoes!
Got hoka speedgoat 5 and immediately squeezing on the left shoe took everything out and still squeezing. Went for one run will I be able to return and get a new shoe??
At first my Hoka were great but something changed after a 3 day water fast . Now at times they are so uncomfortable . My knees hurt a bit especially right side
Shoes started squeaking after doing outdoor running and indoor cardio daily for a few weeks, did your test and found it was the shoe squeaking rather than the sole rubbing against the inside. Thank you for making this video, saved me a lot of time and confusion.
It doesn't happens with all Hokas. I have Speedgoat 3 and 4 and Hoka Arahi 5 and didn't have this problem. I bought a pair of Hoka Clifton 5 and I encountered this problem
Do they sell inserts to raise the front of the foot? So if my shoe has too high of a drop I can raise the front so it reduces the drop? Separate issue but I do have the issue stated in the video I think with this shoe however I wonder about maybe tweaking another shoe that has a higher drop and that might work too . I was a 4-5 mm drop .
Great question. Here is a cheap way to raise the front and lower the drop. And it's free if you got some extra insoles around from another running shoe. Cut those extra insoles just behind the ball of the foot. Cut them across so you have just the front part and place it under the insole of the new shoe, not on top....underneath. This should work IF and BIG IF it does NOT make your shoes toebox too tight. Let me know if that makes otherwise I will make a video for this. Thanks for watching. Run well, Live Well!
You inspired me to try putting a pair on sock on the actual insole. Use a lightweight pair of no show socks, worked great! Thanks for sharing the information.
Hi. I have the Torin 4 for long distance walking/ some hiking. They are worn out. I need to upgrade. I hate the tongue on my torin 4! The ball of my foot and heel area are worn out. Would you suggest the Torin 7? Thank you.
I bought the bondi 200 CAD they refuse to exchange. Bad shoe and feet is now painful trouble something was torn. Slight stiffness n possibly swelling happening. Taking to youtube for reviewss to see if its me.
Where did you by them? What’s the date of purchase? Unfortunately the Bondi 8 is a fantastic shoe with a track record that reflects that. As long as the arch is comfortable. Where are you getting the pain?
The link for the spenco inserts no longer works and I tried searching for them as well and can't find them. I see you have 2 others listed. I'm not a fan of gel inserts. Do you have any advice for the replacement of the spenco or know where to get it? Thanks-I want to try it.
Yah the Spenco can be out of stock. That’s why I added the other options. If you put them underneath your insole they should be fine. You shouldn’t even know the difference which brand they are if you them underneath the insole.
Did they solve the problem for the clifton 9? Version 5 felt like getting cut with a knife. It's not just the arch inside, it's the attachment of outermaterial on the midsole that creates an edge that points straight to your foot (it's a design flaw, it should curve outwards). Back then i cut material off on the outside, which greatly reduced but didn't fix the problem. Dumped them pretty early. Now i'm looking for cushioned shoes to complement my brooks hyperion tempo. SHould i get rincons?
The problem with Altra is they went away from the original. They seem to keep reducing width of the toe box on the outside of the shoe. Seems to prematurely start to curve in. I am hoping the 7 is back to the way it used to be. Also, build quality seems to have dropped off as prices have gone way up.
Altra has always had wear & tear issues especially the outsole. Unfortunately the curve narrower base platform is still there. 😢 which is why use the Paradigm.
I have major issue with the vertical volume in the Via Olympus as I have a high instep on right foot. I am tired of fighting this problem. I just got the Torin 6 at very good price and they have been a little better than the Via Olympus for my instep (I still have to keep lacing loose and may have to re-lace similar to what I am doing on the Via Olympus). I like the sound of the newer changes in the Torin 7 that I think would all be good except for the vertical volume. That may make it a no go for me. I agree about adding a little more to bottom of shoe for a bit more stability. I have not tried the wide version of the Torin 6, so I don’t know how much difference there is between the standard and wide. I am surprised the tongue isn’t bothering me as much as I initially thought when I first put them on (Torin 6). I really could use a little more cushion in forefoot of the Torin 6 for my metatarsalgia pain when going longer distances (for me). I also feel the inside wide of heel and ankle area pressure in Torin 6. But, so far it hasn’t caused me a real issue yet. I just got the Torin 6 couple days ago, so have not gone over 7 miles yet in them. I am also concerned about more toe spring in the Torin 7. I have issues in both big toe joints and more toe spring would not be good for me. I like the firmer feel in the Via Olympus, but the pain on my instep and I get pain in sides of both little toes (on longer distances) are problematic for me. The Via Olympus are not breathable and my feet feel like they are baking in an oven on these hot summer days. May be okay come cooler weather. I do not get much metatarsal pains in the Via Olympus (some, but not too bad). That is a major plus for me.
"improvements vs 6 and 5" don't mean anything when none of the problems should have even existed in the first place. i don't even have any of the 2-4.5 ones but doesn't everyone agree that they were superior to 5+ or at least 4.5 plush? and u can't beat the old timer simplicity and well, originality (of model and concept) of the 1.5 and previous. i mean after all, if a model doesn't have an intrinsic spirit or heritage that comes with it, why even keep making it.
I prefer the wider base of the 1-3.5’s. But other than that just about everything is better on the new 7. I also think Altra might need to add a wide width as they have gotten a bit narrow. Thanks for watching.
When I bought my first pair of Hoka Clifton 8s / wide, I mentioned the arch feel to the shoe salesman. "Yeh, you're supposed to have an arch in your foot." Well, guess what. The purpose of this shoe was to wear in a shop environment, so I was looking for a soft sole. I decided to go with them ($140) and hope that maybe the arch would soften over time, or my foot would adapt. Nope! After one particular order of about a thousand pieces, the repetitive motion on my left arch left me hobbled for over a month. Still dealing with it. I had to switch off to an old pair of K-Swiss with no cushion, and no arch. I love the cushion of the Hoka, but hate the high sidewall arch.
Not sure where you got them. But if a customer of mine says they feel the arch in any shoe, I basically say no dice. They are should be comfortable in the shoe in the store at the time of purchase. There should be no thought of well. I hope it gets more comfortable. Or it should break again. Nope. Should feel good in the store.
Having crew high socks can help, but consider yourself lucky. Even Altra says the 5’s didn’t come out correctly. 6 was a slight improvement. Like i say “I don’t believe in a bad shoe, just the wrong shoe on the wrong person”. 👍
I have a torn plantar plate and my podiatrist recommended a Hoka metarocker shoe. I bought Bondi x, and Clifton edge because those types are known to have the rocker and be non flexible sole. I also bought the recovery slides and after wearing them all day I got blisters on my arches. I need a strong arch support for the plantar tear but the problem is I am flat footed and have sensitive skin but I need to heal the tear. I heard that overtime wearing high arch support can treat flat feet but it involves pain I guess.
I have a torn plantar plate and my podiatrist recommended a Hoka metarocker shoe. I bought Bondi x, and Clifton edge because those types are known to have the rocker and be non flexible sole. I also bought the recovery slides and after wearing them all day I got blisters on my arches. I need a strong arch support for the plantar tear but the problem is I am flat footed and have sensitive skin but I need to heal the tear. I heard that overtime wearing high arch support can treat flat feet but it involves pain I guess.
The arch should be comfortable and not blister you. There should not be pain. Wearing a high arch shoe absolutely will NOT fix flat feet. Flat feet in itself is not a problem, trying to fix flat feet is.
Seems like we’re part of a small percentage of people who experience this issue. I bought my first hoka shoe ever, Bondi 8, in a 2E and had that experience with both a size 9 and 9.5. I was able to return it for some store credit and been doing research on the other models hoka sells. I’m SO GLAD I came across this video and feel some validation that I’m not the only one who had this experience. After seeing this video and reading some of the comments, looks like I will have to use the credit in clothing and accessories lol.
Sorry to here that. Did you try the suggestions in my video? The new Clifton 9 has been better in the ache. Also there some new shoes from other brands that have models very similar to Hoka's. The new Asics Nimbus 25 and the New Balance MORE or even the New Balance 840. Good luck!
did you put the heel cushioning on just the right foot? I fear it could lead to some type of weird compensation...I have the same exact problem, I'm developing a callus on the medial part of my right foot (Bondi 7)
I would have to suggest you go to a local running/walking store that professionally fit your feet and have the width options. Some brands make up to a 4E x-wide. Also, the arch should be comfortable. You can always add an additional arch support to get a more precise fit to your arch for better support, but this is only if it is comfortable.. I can't say a specific shoe with out actually seeing your foot and have shoes to try on them. Hope that helps and thanks for watching.
