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I just bought the new Zondervan edition in bonded leather, large print, on sale for $36 via Amazon. The font is a great size, nice dark black and the red letter is vivid and perfect. It's really a fantastic edition. I am not a Thompson chain expert, but have watched a video that explained that although the loved old graphics are gone, well designed charts are in most of their places. And some of the chain references have been completed. Of course, I am not influenced by expecting it to be exactly like an old familiar bible, but I really really love the new Zondervan. Your video does make me plan to watch for an old edition in good shape :) But the new ones by Zondervan (large print KJV) are blessed !!!
4:10 Just a heads up folks… cbp has quit printing the tcr due to copyright issues from zondervan so what few tcrs are left that will be all she wrote… very disappointing
1:21 Thank you brother for your videos… I have the new print from zondervan, but I still go back to my kirkbride printing I got from cbp it just feels like home to me. I just love the older kirkbride style
8:28 I am so glad I got my few kirbrides from cbp the last one I got was the buffalo so I know it will last me the rest of my days and I am now 60 years of age
The Acrealogical studies should have stayed whether we use them that often or not. the discovery about Jn 5 proved that the stirring of the waters belonged in the bible
Better font, better layout, removed the second commandment violating art, removed the outdated and space-wasting archaeological supplement, completed all the chains that were broken/incomplete in the original. Better construction and materials. Red letter that’s actually readable (not faded pink). Even better, in the goatskin version, you get premier paper and black letter all the way through. Self-pronouncing text is a distracting nuisance. The new edition is a dramatic improvement from the old. The criticisms are nitpicky nonsense compared to the benefits and advantages of the new version. If you don’t know who 2K/Denmark is, you’re completely out of touch with Bible publishing and printing. And, yes, I skimmed all 4 videos.
Hey brother enjoyed your series on the thompson …. I do have the new comfort print however I do have 5 1964 editions and I did get a 5th edition done by cbp that is in black licorice which I dearly love I do use the comfort print time to time but still find myself going back to my older kirkbide text. I’m just so use to the old style it just feels like home to me…” GOD bless you brother I do understand your feelings about the transition to zondervan, when kirkbride sold out it was like losing an old friend…. Believe me change can be hard for me also I’ve used my thompson over 40 years
Thank you so much. I had sent one of these to a friend and just told her to refuse it when it gets there after seeing this video. I wish they would leave the Bible alone. So, any idea where I can get a new Thompson's that's not been mutilated and doesn't cost an arm and a leg?
I think they did the same thing to the Reina Valera 1960 Thompson Chain Spanish Bible as well, sad. Even in other languages it’s hard to get around it.
The new edition of the Thompson Chain Bible is 1000% better than the old Kirkbride edition. Zondervan actually knows how to make a Bible and the best part is that the new Thompson Chain Bible actually has red letter compared to the pink that Kirkbride always used. Your welcome!
I just want to thank you Minister Beaty for doing all that work and posting! I came across this video as I was looking up a misprint in my own Bible at Luke 9:41; "shall" is typed "shail". I wasn't sure if I just wasn't familiar with dialectic variations for that scripture. Anyway, so my dad is 86 years old and a very particular Bible scholar to say the least. Last year he went on his own to buy a new Zondervan Thompson Chain KJV Bible to supplement his older ones that are marked and up falling apart from the 80s. He worked tediously with the clerk to special order and paid over $200 for a large print leather-bound Bible (that he believed would be the same) at the only Bible bookstore we have in Fresno, CA now. He has been furious ever since due to all the things you have mentioned here and more. He complained about the price vs. the overall cheaper quality of the paper, print, disorganization, and valuable missing and modified supplements you mentioned. But what gets him the most is that the new version published in 2022 is/are produced in China (a primarily anti-God/anti-Christian nation). WHY?? He ultimately decided to keep it as a matter of principle to show what the devil is cunningly doing to The Word under people's noses and for huge profit. My dad wants someone to ask Zondervan publishers about that! Big picture, I have been stock-piling as many previous versions for a really decent price from Amazon sellers. Unfortunately, it is impossible to get an older version with thumb indexes which are really helpful. When I show this video to my dad, he is going really feel affirmed about his concerns. Also, I am a youth Sunday School teacher, and I really appreciated you pointing out some of the wonderful teaching helps in the concordance that I never even knew were there! Be blessed!
I fully agree. It’s the same thing for the Open Bible. I tried to use the 2019 edition with the comfort print and had to shelve it. There was no comparison after using the 2012 edition for so long. Christians who don’t read their Bibles like the comfort print.
My assessment of the New TCR is one of Thanksgiving. I have been waiting for years to see the TCR updated. That don't and red letter were horrible. I refused to use my TCR because I could not read it. When Zondervan bought out Kirkbride, I was excited to see what they would do. They did not disappoint! They went with the 2K font, which is the most popular font on the biblical market, and their red letter is also a game changer. They also brought the book intros up to the front of each book. Zondervan gets an A+.
I’m so mad at myself for not doing more research into videos like these before buying the new Zondervan Hardcover King James Version Comfort Print edition when I should have bought the Legacy Edition with the original font and lines on each page. Now it’s too late to return or cancel my order and I don’t have the money to buy a new one. As soon as Ii can earn some more cash or Gift Cards for Christmas this may be one of the first things I do. I almost hope someone could have a divine appointment with me and had extra and was giving away for free that I meet randomly but I’m not looking for a handout or going to ask for one from anyone and I can’t count on that but it would be interesting. I would ask my church because I know sometimes churches offer Bibles but I don’t think that would be right. I am OCD but I can manage because what’s most important is God’s word. I always do this and I need to stop, not doing enough research ahead of time and being impulsive and regretting it later. Please pray for me. Whoever is reading this let me know if you see any sales on these Legacy Editions. At the very least I hope Zondervan doesn’t discontinue the Legacy Line any time soon so I can save up to buy at least 6 Bibles(Leathersoft,Hardcover, Large Print,Reina Valera Hardcovers, Reina Valera Bonded Leather)
Zondervan’s Thompson Chain Bible is 100% better than the old Kirkbride editions. The craftsmanship is amazing in the Zondervan edition. And best of all Zondervan actually knows what color “Red” actually is in the New Testament. Kirkbride always had a “Pink” color in the New Testament and it was faded in some chapters.
I expected more grave differences the way you made it sound in the first video. Overall I like the old version for more info and sections, but the new one looks cleaner and more organized. I was looking for more details concerning what you said about them using quotes from the apostate non kjv bibles...but there was no info on that. I hate the fact that the original ones from cbp have no thumb indexes so not sure which to order now. Than again I have about 1% trust in Zondervan. A lot of the differences you found were nothing burgers tho, except for what is missing. Could care less about spaces for writing etc. I like that the new ones have those squares and triangles included to let you know the start and end of a chain. They don't include thumb indexes in the original so you don't feel like buying them. I don't trust Zondervan but you didn't show much concerning missing chain references. Thanks for making these reviews.
I am glad I ordered the original Thompson Chain Reference LARGE PRINT KJV Bible in Leathersoft by Zondervan. I do hope they will continue with this original version. Thank you for this very informative Video.
Very informative. I ordered the Zondervan Thompson Chain Reference Comfort Print Bible Handy Size last August. The print was too small so I wanted to get the standard size. After watching your video about the old TCR Bible I ordered the Zondervan Chain Reference LARGE PRINT Bible instead. It would have been nice if the new publishers kept most of the old articles and illustrations in their Comfort Print Bibles.
Such nonsense ! I have both the new Zondervan and 5th edition 1988. And I appreciate the new font ,the old Kirkbride was nearly unreadable in red letter . your review is silly . just use both of them n stop with the nitpicking
I have a few from 1964, a rebound 1983, a genuine leather large print 1988 and a few other fifth editions from Kirkbride done in Kirvella (some handy size) as well as two of the new Zondervan classic versions of the fifth edition, a large print of CBP in lambskin (5th edition), and the large print edition of the new TCR in comfort print. I only mentioned all that to point out that I know what a TCR looks like and what should be in it. The new one is nice. The 2K Denmark typeface that Nelson/Zondervan uses is top notch and is in quite a few Nelson Bibles I own. I love it. That font is absolutely fantastic. As far as the new TCR goes, the quality is great. It's a really good reference Bible. It's easy to read and well laid out, and the good reviews it got are well earned. There is, however, one problem. This is NOT a Thompson Chain. True, it has the TCR system in it. Harper Collins bought it so they can use it as they see fit. They bought the name and can use that too. They took out a lot of the material for various reasons. What should have been done was to leave the material and UPDATE what needed to be updated. The layout changes would have been welcomed. Should you buy this? Sure, as long as you realize that it is basically only a Thompson in name only and simply uses the chain system. This is still a really good chain reference Bible. Btw, the two manuscripts that Westcott and Hort used primarily were Sinaticus and Vaticanus. Sinaticus was found by Count von Tischendorf in a refuse bin in a monastery near mount Sinai. All but one of the current versions of the Bible use these manuscripts. The NKJV is based on the Textus Receptus by it draws on the newer manuscripts in places and has some strange word choices in the Old Testament in places that raise red flags. Even though it is a bit harder to read in places, just use the KJV. It has stood the test of time. And no, Paul didn't use the KJV. LOL Some people seem to think that KJV users actually believe that. The OT was written mostly in Hebrew with a smattering of Aramaic and the NT was written in Greek. It is simply a question of textual preservation. Not preservation of the manuscripts: the originals are long gone. Preservation of the original words is the key. They were carefully and faithfully copied as the texts aged. I choose to put my trust in texts that originate from Antioch, where Christianity got its name rather than Alexandria, the birthplaces of gnosticism.
Wow! They literally ruined a good thing! Disappointing. Especially since now the classic Thompson chain won’t be avail. I’m starting to see a lot of this now. This generation is ruining the previous generations work. They can’t come out with anything on their own. They have to mess with what has already been invented, and completely ruin it. What a shame. The Thompson chain was just fine the way it was. They could’ve purchased it and left it alone. It would have made money on its own. What are they going to mess up next? The Turqoiuse??? The concord??? The scofield??? Let’s hope they quite messing things up. 🤦🏻♂️
I had the one from Kirkbride that was published by the KJV Store but left it back in the States, I am thinking of getting another one from the KJV Store sent to the UK.
The New Thompson Chain Bible by Zondervan is 100 times better than the old Kirkbride editions were. Buy the new Thompson by Zondervan and I guarantee you that you will NOT be disappointed!
I would highly recommend watching the entire series before coming to your conclusion. I'm certain you would see how superior the Kirkbride editions were to these modern-day, watered-down Thompson-Chain Comfort Editions by Zondervan.
@@stewardsoftheword - I noticed that Zondervan did a TCR reprint copyright 2021. It does not claim to be a comfort-print edition. Would you happen to know if that one retained all the features of the 5th improved edition? Did they tone down the red letters? Thanks.
Can't say I agree with you on most of this, but there are a few things you point out that Zondervan could've done more on in this edition, perhaps future ones. I really like the new KJV one I have, but based on this video I went ahead and grabbed a used 5th edition. I had already been looking for one as my Dad had one and it's not with the rest of his Bibles, so we think he may have given it away or it got left in a move at some point. I really liked seeing how much you and your Dads bibles have been used. I will say I am now thinking I'm likely to pass on the NASB 95 version that is coming out in October now, not due the version of course as I really like the NASB 95, but rather with grabbing the 5th edition and looking at all the stuff you point out that's missing the opportunity seems ripe for Zondervan to update and re-add the stuff they left out. On the recommendations, it would've been nice if you included the ISBN numbers in the video description. Or at least the publisher, etc.. Thanks again, somehow I watched all 4 video's.
I think the best current version of the Thomson Chain would have to be the one from Church Bible Publishers. And you can even buy a wide margin version of it now. It is the 5th edition but the binding is amazing for the price.
Thanks for the 3 videos. It is sad that they felt the need to sell this great work to Zondervan and and allow them to ruin God's Perfect Work contained in this once useful Study Bible. I will have to question any purchases in the future with the name Zondervan on it.
Sad that they felt the need to change this great work. Now you can't find the original new, only used at Amazon. I wonder if I can find someone to take my hardcover and rebind it with leather. Might have to see if that is available locally or I will have no choice except to purchase the less than perfect perversion.
Zondervan still sells the original version (for now). I posted a video Short of how to tell the difference here: “Quick tip to know if you’re getting an Original TCRB from Zondervan #thompsonchainbible #kjvbible “ ru-vid.combAF7Xpx9Z3o?feature=share
2k Denmark is the singular most famous font makers in the world and are used in nearly every major translation. The point of a Thompson Chain Reference Bible is the references, not the articles or illustrations. I saw nothing in this video to give reason not to buy it. If you need a glossary to read your translation (to translate your translation) use a translation that is not archaic.
The New Thompson is better in so many ways. Being readable with the 2K font is the best change, as the old font was too small. They changed the old offensive red letter, replacing it with the readable burgundy. The book introductions were taken from the back and placed in front of each book. It seems to me that you are simply opposed to change. Change is not always good, but the changes that were made in this new TCR are absolutely appreciated.
I have a Thompson Chain Reference Bible but this one has Frank Charles Thompson and BB Kirkbride Bible Co and copyright 1979. Third printing is this true word or is it off I am trying to get a good Bible for my grown children but don't won't one that's not true or everything is left out of the Bible
@destinycoach5 It is better than the old TCR by Kirkbride. The font is readable, the book introductions are in front of each book. The cross reference system is the same. It will be an added blessing to your study.
@@Pastor-Brettbyfaith that's so good to hear. I just ordered it after much debate. Isn't it interesting that I never saw this vid BEFORE I ordered ... Only after. And I did also hear someone complaining about how horrible the old red was in the Kirk bride. Who would think that red would be so offensive??. Lol Thanks for responding.
Its so watered down. yes, its almost not a Thompson Chain anymore. I do like how its cleaned up a bit and looks a little nicer and I was excited when the new ones were announced.. Until I did my research. I changed my mind on getting the new one.. Its like they tried to save money which is fine. but they took too much out! Seems a little shady to me .Now we get less information and have to pay more for the new ones! So sad.
