Knowing what we know now, pouring money on them never would have made a difference. You can't transform a tribal culture overnight with money. Or over the course of 20 years, as it turns out.
Sorry, I gotta call buckshot in this part of the movie. Give them money give them hope? Total BS. Plenary of people have been trying to “give the afghans hope” and it’s never worked. It’s a quagmire of tribalism, violence, and death and it was that way FAR before any westerner stepped foot there. Hell, even the Pakistanis, who culturally at least have some similarity to the Afghans have found it FAR easier to play just accept the situation and deal directly with the tribal warlords rather than pretend they could negotiate with any sort of “national” Afghan government. Sooooo many woke leftists think that if we just through enough menu into “education” that will fix everything. Sorry, there’s actually a lot that no amount of money or effort will fix and Afghanistan is one of them. A people have to want ti change before any change can actually take place… and the VAST majority of Afghanis don’t want any sort of change.
After WWII the US rebuilt Western Europe with the Marshall plan and Japan with grants during the occupation. It's the hierarchy of needs-- people have to deal with their immediate problems before they can move onto higher issues. And in Afghanistan, security has been a fundamental barrier to stability for generations-- and in most of the country there literally are no jobs or economic prospects except for soldiering or drug production. Of course the politics in Afghanistan are tribal and ethnic affiliated -- we had our alliances with warlords too. Tens of thousands of Afghans fought and died allied with the United States in the years after the Taliban fell. There's a narrative in the West that the Afghan army collapsed without a fight-- as if the Afghan army wasn't fighting in a hundred places for years while the US took troops out of direct combat (the entire Trump administration).
@@planetarysolidarity Ha. I know plenty of leftists. There people like you who think they have an answer for everything. Including how to “fix” places like Afghanistan, all while being someone who’s never gotten out from behind a cushy keyboard job. So go ahead, oh great safe, tell me how you would have saved Afghanistan? Stayed there for a thousand years? Spent trillions and trillions older no appreciable changes in Afghani outcomes? Go ahead, fix it. Get out from behind your keyboard and do it.
yep, divide and conquer should be followed up by prosperity and happiness for the conquered mass (or leadership, potentially). if not you likely have to use force and funds to keep them where u want them, and that is unlikely to be sustained by a home populous thousands of kilometers away for a protracted period of time.
1:27 - the hint of things to come. The jet liner flying past. Gust is trying to warn Charlie that Al-Qaeda is moving into Kāndahār. (9/11 will happen in 12 years) Very eerie scene.
@@reductio1000 Only a moron thinks 9/11 could have been predicted in 1988. If you predicted it or know someone who actually did, then show evidence. If you didn't, then my comment is 100% correct and you can shut the fuck up.
... except donald trump was the face of the biggest problem that no one talked about for decades... ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-qkH0xGUgR0c.html
Charlie Wilson was actually just a sad fucking drunk and a junkie and, although he had a notorious influence on it, his help and work was never actually a critical factor in the Soviet Union's defeat in Afghanistan.
No, Charlie Wilson was the only person in congress trying to get the afghans money to rebuild their country after fighting our proxy war. Charlie Wilson understood that if we left the place decimated and didn't help them rebuild their infrastructure fucking religious zealots and maniacs would flood in and captialize on the situation and he understood that because of Avrakotos. "These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
Everything is just the way it's meant to be. Your mother held you in her arms as a new born and whispered to you "You're perfect!" and guess what? You still are, except somebody told you along the way between then and now that you are not....and you believed them, and this is perfect too
