@@barragin9893 It is funny that you replied to this today. I wrote that comment 12 years ago... and it is still just as chilling and horrifying as the day I wrote it. Have a good one.
1:27 - the hint of things to come. The jet liner flying past. Gust is trying to warn Charlie that Al-Qaeda is moving into Kāndahār. (9/11 will happen in 12 years) Very eerie scene.
@@reductio1000 Only a moron thinks 9/11 could have been predicted in 1988. If you predicted it or know someone who actually did, then show evidence. If you didn't, then my comment is 100% correct and you can shut the fuck up.
yep, divide and conquer should be followed up by prosperity and happiness for the conquered mass (or leadership, potentially). if not you likely have to use force and funds to keep them where u want them, and that is unlikely to be sustained by a home populous thousands of kilometers away for a protracted period of time.
Yes u hear that jet & u think son of a bitch he saw the future. The fact that we just left,& helped them do nothing just helped people like bin laden push onto his would be believers that America just did this as a big repayment to russia for Vietnam.they had no interest whatsoever in helping Afghanistan.they used us. And he was sadly right. Unfortunately those are the politics of the world sometimes.Yes OBL was crazy,& needed to die,but sadly he was right.
Everything is just the way it's meant to be. Your mother held you in her arms as a new born and whispered to you "You're perfect!" and guess what? You still are, except somebody told you along the way between then and now that you are not....and you believed them, and this is perfect too
I was looking for this clip of the movie for a long time. Zen master theory applies for everybody in present world. Never get better than this to put the idea more effectively.
yep, the throws wilsons drink to the ground, which i would assume is a sign of of potentially sobering up/seriousness.Then wilson throws the seriousness of the moment off, and the sound goes away (for another 12 years at least). Great scene, and great tale by hoffmann, which tbh should probably be told to every immediate victor of a conflict.
Iv watched this movie like ten times because i think its amazing.If you watch when Charlie first meets Gust, Gust tries to tell this story and as he starts he has to leave so charlie can talk to His press staff. I found that interesting anywayyy
@zooch79 never thought ot that. good pickup. it may indeed. or they wanted to acurately recreate the setting or an appartment being near national airport in DC. jet airliners are a constant noise in the city...but i like your idea better.
@zooch79 Yup. I highly suggest you read the book on this though. It's a very good read and scarily enough, a nice precursor to what would happen about 10 years later.
We have no idea of what would have happened if the USSR would have been allowed to role thru Afghanistan, and continue on into the rest of the Middle East. The events that followed would have been completely different from our current reality. Nobody knows what the future truly holds, so enjoy the ride and we'll see....
Knowing what we know now, pouring money on them never would have made a difference. You can't transform a tribal culture overnight with money. Or over the course of 20 years, as it turns out.
No, Charlie Wilson was the only person in congress trying to get the afghans money to rebuild their country after fighting our proxy war. Charlie Wilson understood that if we left the place decimated and didn't help them rebuild their infrastructure fucking religious zealots and maniacs would flood in and captialize on the situation and he understood that because of Avrakotos. "These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game." - Charlie Wilson
... except donald trump was the face of the biggest problem that no one talked about for decades... ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-qkH0xGUgR0c.html
Sorry, I gotta call buckshot in this part of the movie. Give them money give them hope? Total BS. Plenary of people have been trying to “give the afghans hope” and it’s never worked. It’s a quagmire of tribalism, violence, and death and it was that way FAR before any westerner stepped foot there. Hell, even the Pakistanis, who culturally at least have some similarity to the Afghans have found it FAR easier to play just accept the situation and deal directly with the tribal warlords rather than pretend they could negotiate with any sort of “national” Afghan government. Sooooo many woke leftists think that if we just through enough menu into “education” that will fix everything. Sorry, there’s actually a lot that no amount of money or effort will fix and Afghanistan is one of them. A people have to want ti change before any change can actually take place… and the VAST majority of Afghanis don’t want any sort of change.
After WWII the US rebuilt Western Europe with the Marshall plan and Japan with grants during the occupation. It's the hierarchy of needs-- people have to deal with their immediate problems before they can move onto higher issues. And in Afghanistan, security has been a fundamental barrier to stability for generations-- and in most of the country there literally are no jobs or economic prospects except for soldiering or drug production. Of course the politics in Afghanistan are tribal and ethnic affiliated -- we had our alliances with warlords too. Tens of thousands of Afghans fought and died allied with the United States in the years after the Taliban fell. There's a narrative in the West that the Afghan army collapsed without a fight-- as if the Afghan army wasn't fighting in a hundred places for years while the US took troops out of direct combat (the entire Trump administration).
@@planetarysolidarity Ha. I know plenty of leftists. There people like you who think they have an answer for everything. Including how to “fix” places like Afghanistan, all while being someone who’s never gotten out from behind a cushy keyboard job. So go ahead, oh great safe, tell me how you would have saved Afghanistan? Stayed there for a thousand years? Spent trillions and trillions older no appreciable changes in Afghani outcomes? Go ahead, fix it. Get out from behind your keyboard and do it.
