Very well nuanced video! Subbed. Saeko was rather bland in 7, kinda just felt RGG just needed to fill in a spot. They really dont know how to write women and it's honestly irritating, even Chitose and Seonhee sorta revolve around the 2 main male characters (kiryu, Ichi). I really hope they imporove and bring in some more female writers because they cant write women for shit💀
In 2B's defense, she is meant to be cold and distant as her actual duty was to kill the 9S when he learns things he shouldn't and it just gets harder for her and hurts deep down that she will eventually have to kill one person she cares for.
RGG should have aged up Chitose 10 years and made her Ichi's love interest. The story wouldn't even have to change that much, just make her be there on behalf of some Fujinomiya group Hawaii business which would eventually tie in to the main plot.
Worst thing in IW is that the story itself (HAYASHI??) is only about Kiryu. Ichiban side is like a bit of Tomizawa development, a bit of Chitose, Yamai (the most interesting) and the final cutscene with Ichiban, every other character is there just to make an appearance or die absolutely pointlessly (When Kiryu heard that Hanawa died and got that bucket list memory like: ''Yeah cool dude, damn'' i was flabbergasted). In 7 every party member had it's own story.
I'm really fucking sorry, I'm not even a minute in, have you actually played Nier? The fucking first line of dialogue from 2B is a quote saying how she'd kill God if given the chance. She is probably one of the most well written female characters in any game, and that's because it's in subtext. L take, go play the game
@@oiphandy4321xx I did. It didn't really stick with me though. I do remember that now that you bring it up. More or less said that for the bit lol. When I first played Automata, I was kinda expecting it to play like Drakengard 3, a game I really liked. When I found out that wasn't the case that really dampened my experience. Not because it's a bad game, but because I went into it with the wrong mindset. Lesson: never do that 😅
When you said Yukari is one of your favourite female characters you lost all credibility talking bad about Saeko just because she rejected Ichiban but i have to agree it was such a waste killing Wong Tou to bring back Joon Gi ON THE FINAL CHAPTER and Zhao. Anyway i prefer Chitose
i also dont like kiwami 2 because of the combat being just heat action spam the game straight up has heat action scaling to do more damage to bosses and it leads to beating the final boss in 3 heat actions hard difficulty, max damage upgrades, no damage buffs just ex heat and 3 heat actions (oh and also majima saga fucking sucked) yakuza 5 had good side content but the combat was horrendous i had more fun hunting and driving cars and shit over actually playing the game gaiden had some issues because it was rushed, mainly the combat since it was just a battle of hyperarmor mostly and the heat actions were around kiwami 2 levels of busted (i 100%'d gaiden btw) yakuza 4 was just peak good substories, decent story, amazing gameplay (better than 3 and 5 for sure) and different playable characters was a breathe of fresh air after the only unique playable characters besides y0 being date in kiwami and a dogshit version of majima in kiwami 2 yakuza 6 was also amazing for their first take at dragon engine yakuza 7 isnt the best in terms of gameplay but the side content and it also has some of the best story in the series anyways now im gonna drop my yakuza game ranking because i have nothing better to do 1. lost judgment 2. infinite wealth 3. judgment 4. yakuza 0 5. yakuza 4 6. yakuza 6 7. like a dragon gaiden:the game with the really long name 8. yakuza 7 9. yakuza kiwami 10. yakuza 5 11. yakuza 3 12. yakuza kiwami 2
Agree, I couldn't stand Saeko in LAD 8! I used her in my party most of the time in LAD 7. It's great to see someone not blaming it all on Ichiban for a change, yep he said some stupid things but the way Saeko treated him was crazy.
I will say, IW has a few problems, saeko and ichibans relationship was one of them, they don’t have chemistry and i feel like ichi and chitose have somewhat better chemistry. Dont get me started with the first cringy confession but that last one was not any better cuz even if it was funnier, it didn’t change anything in their relationship which if they want to continue it, didn’t really help it unless they are together in between IW and 9.
I loved Saeko in 7, she was always one of the homies. I was opposed to the romance idea from the start ever since it was revealed. They had a great friend chemistry, but now its ruined. Saeko even laughed about the idea of dating someone from the party in a walk-and-talk in 7.
Didn't like the whole romance part in Yakuza 8 either and it makes the first chapter of the game feel like a sub story that goes on for way longer than needed.
It bothers me that in LAD 7 she was just a member of the party, being a friend and someone with her own interests but in IW with the ichiban romance the destroyed her, they have no chemistry, even i remember saeko flirted a litlle with nanba in LAD
Yeah, agreed. I for one valued their platonic relationship in Yakuza 7, she was just another one of the homies. (I'm still choosing to ignore the dating substories)
Never liked Saeko, always thought the was a very uptight modern "feminist" role, dont know why Ichi was attracted to her lol. She is out of my party 90% of the time. Anyways great video man!!!! Keep up the good work!
Ngl I haven’t even watched the video yet but damn she sucked this game. Yeah it was hard to listen to my guy Ichi profess his love in the most cringy way possible but he had nothing but good intentions and her response was to ghost his ass for over a year!? The man you fought with side by side against a damn national conspiracy and legion of different Yakuza families!? And even after she found he got shitcanned and framed at Hello Work she still said nothing!? Nah Ichi you can do so much better.
Saeko was definitely obnoxious in IW. I would have seriously appreciated her giving us at least SOME kind of explanation, at least something along the lines of: 'Oh, I wanted to reach out to him cause I do genuinely feel bad for how I handled the situation and I genuinely do care for Ichiban, but I was swamped with work and I kinda pushed it to the wayside and neglected it and let it fester and when I finally worked up the courage, it would've been way too awkward to reach out', etc. - Her taking some responsibility and accountability for their relationship stagnating would've done wonders for her character, and maybe showing us how she really does care for Ichiban and has romantic feelings for him, making her feel even more awkward about it, or saying she's never actually seriously liked someone like she does Ichiban so that's the reason she was so awkward about things between them, idk, but I think it genuinely could've worked if proper writing staff were assigned to handle it. But instead, it was kinda swept under the rug for some reason? IW went and killed genuinely interesting characters like Hanawa or Wong Tou as well though, and this was kinda character assassination along those lines, too lmao, so at least it tracks with some of the other strange decisions they made??? As a side note, I found her to be a lot easier to stomach when listening to her JP voice, over the EN dub. Not throwing shit towards the EN actress at all, I just feel A LOT of her lines sound WAAAAAAAAAAAY bitchier than they ever did in JP.
This game honestly reads like fanfiction sometimes. Like someone at RGG really shipped Ichi and Saeko so they made it Canon lol. I was so disappointed with how Wong Tou ended up, so much wasted potential. He was strong enough to keep up with both Ichi and Kiryu in a fight but then ends up getting killed by some random goon, so unsatisfying... I hate saying this cuz at its best, Yakuza 8 can be amazing.
Hanawa wasn't just shafted in IW. He was just retroactively put into Gaiden because Gaiden was OBVIOUSLY written after IW. Gaiden is just a garbage game in terms of story, despite the ending.
@@ReversedJrpgs Oh definitely, I'm a staunch Yakuza 7 hater- yet IW is in my top 3 in the entire series, I absolutely loved everything they did with Kiryu as a character here. The moment we learned of his diagnosis in the trailer, I knew exactly where the story was headed and I was all for it. Kiryu had gotten more character growth over the last 3 games than arguably the whole fucking franchise, aside from 0. It seems they mostly fucked with Ichiban's part of the story. Imo the only strong part was Chitose, Tomizawa was just kinda there along for the ride and the whole Lani plotline felt like a tacked on Yakuza 1 reference for the sake of older players relating more to Ichiban I guess??? (guys he's liTeRALly KiRyU??!) I could see either Hanawa OR Wong Tou catching a stray and maybe getting 'hospitalized' and put out of commission for the rest of the story- you know, have a character in the background you can call on if you ever need 'em, but the way they offed them both was so wild. One of those two should've survived, if not both. I really hated that we never got any explanation as to who Hanawa really was. It felt like they were setting up an important plot point after what he told Kiryu in Gaiden, and then he's just killed off like a dog? Felt super wrong, I was genuinely in disbelief cause I thought he had more to give, but I guess not. Wong Tou was indeed a badass who at least for a few moments held his own against both Kiryu and Ichiban, so having him go out like a bitch, trying to run away from a gun while injured was disrespectful, to say the least. One less badass that could've been in the main party with an actual goal, but I guess we get Tomizawa and his taxi??????
I though you were based for putting kiwami 2 at the bottom but then I saw Judgment in the same tier and knew the rest of the video would NOT BE COOKING You have a hidden talent. KEEP IT HIDDEN 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥
I thought you were based for putting kiwami 2 at the bottom but then I saw Judgment in the same tier and knew the rest of the video would NOT BE COOKING You have a hidden talent. KEEP IT HIDDEN 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥 (Jokes aside good video. Don’t let anyone force you to change your shitty opinions)
Personally, I like Reload's Nyx Avatar fight better overall. I have not actually played the original myself, but I've watched a friend stream the whole of it, so I can say I've experienced it well enough to judge. The lack of Nyx Avatar's second action per turn is remedied by its damage output being significantly higher per hit in Reload (I did compare, though not down to the millimetre so to speak), not to mention Grim Transcendence in the final two phases letting it move like four times in that turn. Though I do admit that Reload's version is ultra-cheesable by using Theurgies, but that's not a problem with Nyx Avatar specifically.
A topic right up my alley. I'm one of those weirdos who thinks that *all* games should be open world. Okay, that's a bit of a hyperbole, I of course think that developers should make whatever game that they want to make. However, ever since I was a kid, I've been fascinated with the concept. There are three games that heavily influenced my opinion on open world games: Delta Force 2, Little Big Adventure 2, and Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind. Those games had these wonderful, open, sprawling maps, that just invited the player to explore. You were going on an adventure and it was pure magic. And yes, I understand that is a weird thing to say considering how vastly different those two games are but the design ethos strongly supported each game's narrative tone and setting. In Delta Force 2, you're an elite military operative sent in against overwhelming odds and you need to figure out how to accomplish your mission with limited amount of resources, including but not limited to ammo. There was a mission select screen with equipment loadout as well as a briefing clueing you in on what gear was essential. You were able to approach an enemy base from whichever way you wanted, or find a sniper's perch on a hill and clear out the camps of all enemies before you entered. While in Little Big Adventure 2, from the moment Dragonfly gets struck by lightning, you're on this grand, magical adventure and you have no idea where the plot is going to take you. And believe me, shit get's crazy! You're given a set of objectives from your girlfriend/wife Zoe and off you go. You need to reclaim your old battle tunic as well as your magical orb in order to tackle some dungeon which has some magical artifact that the resident island magician can use to stop the crazy storm that's raging. That's about it. You're not given a map marker or anything. You need to figure out where the things you need are and find the entrance to the dungeon, all on your own. You're entering shops, talking to people on the streets, interpreting signs. Morrowind is nuts, y'all, let me tell ya. You're some nobody prisoner on a dingy boat being taken to some backwater isle infested with lizard people, crabs, mushroom cities and walking jellyfish creatures. Oh and cliff racers, for good measure. But again, there's not really any map or quest markers telling you where to go. You have to pay attention to the dialogue, read your journal, ask citizens for directions, read signs at crossroads and learn to follow directions. The game doesn't tell you how to get to Balmora, you figure it out on your own. And once you actually find your way to the city, it's beyond exhilarating. Not so much because the city itself is so amazing, although it is, but more so because *you* did it. The game didn't hold your hand or spoon feed you the solution. You figured it out and the reward becomes meaningful as a result. I think that that is basically what the ReVerse was talking about. We've lost *this* magical property of open world games, where the open world is *the* game. You know? The open world has to be at the focus of your story and design. It can't just be a shallow bullet point to put at the back of the box. Sadly, often, that's exactly what it is. Nowadays, open world games are just glorified level select screens. You ride your damn horse or drive your car for 5 minutes to a location, watch a cutscene, super linear mission with tightly defined map borders starts which offers you no freedom to tackle said mission the way you want to, mission ends with cutscene, rinse and repeat. So I ask you this? What's the point of the open world exactly? You should've just made a linear game to start with... Every open world game now, *is* the same. Same Ubisoftian game design is copy and pasted, regurgitated for the masses, and no one is thinking about how to evolve the "genre". This sadly applies even to some of my favourite games of all time, like Ghost of Tsushima and The Witcher 3. That is not true, *at all* for the three games I mentioned first. You can hop into all three and get wildly different experiences. As the medium progresses, it's natural that we codify and streamline the design philosophy regarding any given "genre". It seems to have happened to open world games but it's taken the ugliest, simplest, most boring approach possible and it's a shame. We've lost spontaneity, wonder and a true sense of accomplishment. We traded them for the 30-second rule, instant gratification and the insecure desire to make sure that the player "sees" all the content. So yeah, I agree with ReVerse. And I say that as someone who worships the concept. But we need to rethink things and fast. Take a game like Mafia 3. Damn beautiful setting, killer soundtrack, solid gameplay, fantastic protagonist. What's not to love?! Well, the game design, that's what. Ubisoftian fast-food game design. Go to place, kill everyone, rinse and repeat. It's not that the Ubisoft design ethos is terrible or unredeemable. It's just omnipresent and dull. I would've loved it if the game just said, "grow your criminal empire" and then just left for lunch. And we had to figure out on our own how to manage our businesses, or rackets, employ gangsters, order hits on enemy dons, set up logistical plans, etc. Holy shit, I wasn't aware of how long this post got, sorry! Tl:dr ReVerse made excellent points in this video about how samey and dull open world games are and I agree. PS. I see a lot of negativity in the comments and I'm completely baffled as to why? It's great video, he presents his arguments clearly and in a humorous way. Nothing offensive was said nor untrue. This is what makes this hobby so great: The discourse around the medium, being able to discuss ideas and trends and share our opinions and perspectives. The internet is just weird sometime, I don't know... Anyway Great vid, you got yourself a subscriber. Can't wait for the next vid! 👍
Damn bro, youve hit the nail on the head :) Yes this is exactly what I'm trying to say with this video, maybe you should have made it instead lol. While I wasnt around to experience some of the older open world games you mentioned, which sound magical btw, I definitely see the appeal in the genre. Hopefully there will come a day when developers realize that open world games are more than just a marketing hook. As for the negative reception, honestly, that might have been on me lol. I wanted to make a joke title but perhaps alot of people took it at face value without watching the vid. Discussing video games and exchanging thoughts with others is exactly why I make videos, it would be boring if we all held the same opinions after all, so I'm glad you enjoyed and I hope you stick around! 🙌
I'm pretty sure that you didn't played ghost of Tsushima, because you said there are pre-existing location marker in the map but you are wrong. You need to visit that place to unlock that marker.
@@minhazulislam7067 True, I didn't play it for too long. I was still talking about Ronin when I said that. Nevertheless, It's still an issue that plagues alot of open world games like the assassin's creed games for example.
Guys, just to clarify. This video's title is just an exaggeration. My goal here was to: 1) Voice my complaints 2) Make it entertaining I don't actually think ALL open worlds need to stop existing, just the ones that serve no purpose. This is why I mentioned Elden Ring as an example of an open world done right.
No, no they don't. If I'm spending $70 on a game..... I want it to last more than 12-15 hours. Who in their right mind will ASK these money hungry game devs to make their games shorter?!
@@ateeshJ No where in this video did I say that I want games to be shorter. However long it takes to beat a game, I just don't want half of those hours to be comprised of aimless wandering and a hundred mediocre side missions.
@@Owen999YTWhy can't the game be long and amazing? Game devs need to to put time and attention into making their games if they want to keep increasing prices like they're doing now.
Some of my favorite games are open world games, I think it's a lot more nuanced than "all open world games need to go". it's more a case that devs need to stop shoehorning an open world into their games in situations where it doesnt really work and just acts as a detriment to the game
@@azora52 Yeah I think so too, the title is more of an exaggeration. I mentioned Elden Ring to show that I do think there are merits to an open world game.
Not necessarily, it's just that most of these games feel like copies of each other. SWTOR is still a good mmo and that's primarily because of the story and lore.
Sorrry open worlds are all I need in my gaming, because games to me is something I wait to do whenever Im working or stressed , I like the adventure and looking for something but youre saying I should just come kill something or fight something and call it done. I need to feel the hrs and valhalla did that for me 3000 hrs going strong.
@@justsmile-p8u All the more reason I'm saying these open worlds need to be more meticulously crafted. Imagine working all day, having like an hour of free time left and half of that is spent running around an empty field of grass.
Nah story driven graphical games need to disappear. Both get pushed to the forefront too much while the most important thing a game should be about r neglected which is the gameplay and controls. Fpa games need to disappear
I agree up to a point, I don’t think open worlds need to go, just bad open world design, you can’t just make something an open world “just because” it needs to be a core element of the game, Elden ring is a good example but rdr2 & Brest of the wild are other great examples
@@danbar97 Yeah I get u, the title is more of an exaggeration if anything. Rise of the Ronin is definitely a case of having an open world for the sake of it.
