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$1 vs $50 GOUACHE | Which is WORTH IT..? | DARTH VADER 

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@ADCArtAttack
@ADCArtAttack 2 года назад
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@ImNotAProfessional
@ImNotAProfessional 2 года назад
Im light!!
@sinbincreations
@sinbincreations 2 года назад
Light side all day. But drawing the dark side wins hands down 👌
@user-is6qh8fe8u
@user-is6qh8fe8u 2 года назад
مدري ايش تهبد بس اسلم 🥺❤
@cameroncassel4297
@cameroncassel4297 2 года назад
Congrats on 600k adc
@ImNotAProfessional
@ImNotAProfessional 2 года назад
Congrats on 600k!!!!👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻😃😃🎉🥳🥳🎉🎉
@snowpuppies1
@snowpuppies1 2 года назад
To be completely honest, I don’t really think that either of these qualify as “expensive“. When you compare Arteza to Windsor & Newton, then you will have a good comparison.
@maxwell_design_studios
@maxwell_design_studios 2 года назад
He did that comparison actually! I don't know if you've watched it or not, so you may have been referring to that video.
@redace4821
@redace4821 2 года назад
Am a simple man, I see Darth Vader, I clicked
@radoslavkotlar4634
@radoslavkotlar4634 2 года назад
same
@Kalipudi
@Kalipudi 2 года назад
Facts
@b1battledroid352
@b1battledroid352 2 года назад
Same
@justthekid9465
@justthekid9465 2 года назад
Dude same
@handsomeballs
@handsomeballs 2 года назад
Bruh too relatable
@IngenuityFortress
@IngenuityFortress 2 года назад
Also! Chloe Rose's brushes are actually really nice for gouache! Plus they are soooo easy to clean :)
@magusofthelibrary
@magusofthelibrary 2 года назад
Link, please! Edit: tried searching and couldn't find them
@ADCArtAttack
@ADCArtAttack 2 года назад
I'll grab a set :)
@WillowRoseArlen
@WillowRoseArlen 2 года назад
@@magusofthelibrary I don't think you can drop links in comments but if you sewrch youtube for Chloe Rose art her channel description will have a link to her website where you can purchase. I haven't tried them yet but I plan to!
@magusofthelibrary
@magusofthelibrary 2 года назад
@@WillowRoseArlen cool beans, thank you!!
@IngenuityFortress
@IngenuityFortress 2 года назад
@@WillowRoseArlen That explains why every time I commented the link it was deleted. I thought it was bad internet
@katkyun
@katkyun 2 года назад
There's definitely a problem with the amount of shellac or whatever binding they've used to make the gouache shiny! It's really not supposed to be. The arteza looks better there definitely - but I do know a downside to them as I've bought them in the past. Putting them in a palette for easier use caused them to MOLD - they don't put anti-molding agent in their mixture and my palette turned out rather disgusting. Anyway great piece! And tips regarding brushes, a soft roundbrush should be fine in most cases as it has a lower chance of disturbing the paint underneath compared to a harder brush - so go for watercolor brushes!
@esilabet
@esilabet 2 года назад
hahah, the ones you chose for your test are the same price and quality... The artwork is awesome! About gouache: Pro quality gouache is about 15-20$ per 15ml and they are available as individual tube. The price depends a lot of the pigments, lightfast or not.. etc. All colors are not the same price and there's a logic to that... pigments can come from brunt crap or from precious stones, so it shows in the price of a tube. The thing with gouache is : it's watercolor+chalk. You truly only need 2 gouache colors, the whites : Titanium white for opaque or pastels and Zinc white to mix with watercolors of your choice. You can buy some M graham white zinc and white titanium, then some watercolor with the colors of your choice individually, quality of your choice. I usually use M graham for the whites and holbein for the black, watercolors for the rest of the palette. A warm and cold version of each primary (lemon yellow, quin gold, aliz crimson, vermillion, F. Ultramarine, cerulian blue) and some earth tones (burnt siena, y. ocre, sepia) in watercolor + 3 tubes of gouache (titanium and zinc white + some black), and you got the whole color circle available with 12 tubes. With this material you have full control over hue, value AND transparency. For the brushes.. again, it's watercolor, it depend on the techniques you do most... depends on your use of water actually. The more watery you make your paints, the better the brush needs to be at retaining and releasing evenly. A good mop for washes, some nice round brushes with a pointy tip. A rigger brush for lines and a couple flats and daggers for thicker application and dry brushing. You want soft brushes with some bounce. Watercolor brushes are insanly expensive if you get the good stuff. If you don't do large washes, then you don't really those natural hair super expensive 150$++ brushes. The mid-level watercolor brushes do just fine for gouache. I hope that helps... have fun!
@tanwencooper6928
@tanwencooper6928 2 года назад
I am inspired to try Gouache after these but have always been afraid to try - not because of learning a new medium, but out of fear that it might be the one art supply too many that causes my hoard to finally tip over and crush me.
@ThatMiga
@ThatMiga 2 года назад
Just saw the end result and… WOW! They are both really good tbh and it’s hard for me to choose but I’ll have to go with the expensive side just because it looks like more of a treat to paint with. And as always great job!!
@principleflow2847
@principleflow2847 2 года назад
I believe it's safe to say: Most of us if not all of us are here for the charmful, cheerful, cheesy (say it 5× fast) energy you bring. And if someone has a problem with you rocking out, they can stuff it. Thank you for the wonderful content. And Arteza with the Matte finish is the winner for me!
@haijac6248
@haijac6248 2 года назад
I like different things about both sides and can’t pick a clear favorite, so I guess the winner is me for watching a great and inspiring video. Great job as usual
@s_o_s111
@s_o_s111 2 года назад
Adc draws Darth Vader as much as I draw Myles Morales 😂 But I’m not complaining, the art is dope. Arteza wins for me.
@-ZED1
@-ZED1 2 года назад
"Oh my gerd, it's as smooth as buttah!" 😂
@TheScriptingLegend
@TheScriptingLegend 2 года назад
I’ve watched basically every video you have posted in the past 2 years, yet somehow I’m always shocked with how great the results look. Both sides looked great, however, I preferred the Arteza side!
@fuchsfell3533
@fuchsfell3533 2 года назад
I really love the scene, where you are listening to Metal. So much joy!
@phukyerpheefees
@phukyerpheefees 2 года назад
This was more midrange vs statistically insignificantly more expensive midrange than it was cheap vs expensive. Gouache can go for upwards of $7 US per tube, with 12 color sets available costing over $100 US.
@paulapeterson-warnock3030
@paulapeterson-warnock3030 7 дней назад
You do inspire me to try gouche. I’ve never thought of adding highlights over the dark.
@WillowRoseArlen
@WillowRoseArlen 2 года назад
You make painting with gouache look even more fun than it actually is, lol 😆
@ravenhotaru
@ravenhotaru 2 года назад
This video is perfect timing! I literally typed into RU-vid search "best budget gouache" and this brand new video of yours was among the first few results! PERFECT! Thank you! Totally love your videos, man. And above all, love your art! Thank you for keeping on keeping on.
@TheScriptingLegend
@TheScriptingLegend 2 года назад
0:11 your not alone, stay strong!
@silvernevermoregaming6474
@silvernevermoregaming6474 2 года назад
Using brushes, all depends on what you're painting, and how big, medium, or small the details are for the painting. If you're trying to cover the bigger parts, you'll want to use a flat head brush, or maybe even a flat head diagonal brush, that way you can not only paint the bigger parts but also have some minor control on making sure that the paint doesn't overlap the smaller area. But when you used the tube-like brush head for the shoulders and such, was actually a safer mover. As, I've said before, you'll want to use a flat head or something similar for big areas, but using a thin tube-like brush or something similar, to go around the edges of those smaller details will build a kind of border, and in turn, shows you how much of that big space you have. (I tried to explain it as best as possible, but if this just confuses you, even more, I heavily apologize)
@ida-mariebendixen2085
@ida-mariebendixen2085 2 года назад
Love that you had a whole set of pastel colors but chose Darth Vader.
@rhondapowell4139
@rhondapowell4139 2 года назад
I love, love, love Arteza gouache. I have used the gouache white for highlights in other media pieces.
@SoilRanger
@SoilRanger 2 года назад
Ideas and executions of your videos are really enjoyable
@annihull6373
@annihull6373 2 года назад
Love the drawing. Thanks for sharing your work. I am looking forward to trying gouache someday. Blessings.
@tilkka_
@tilkka_ 2 года назад
Yes!! My favorite type of content! This made my day!!!
@themaddtatter6679
@themaddtatter6679 2 года назад
I'd love to see you create a galaxy (either as a main piece or background). With this medium and your style, I think you'd be able to create a masterpiece. Loved the jam session, I get the same way as well.👍❤😊
@Yahhooo
@Yahhooo 2 года назад
Wow the end results always what adc is really capable of. It’s hard to choose which is worth it.
@noahrafferty605
@noahrafferty605 2 года назад
Another amazing drawing or painting.😲👏
@stever.8916
@stever.8916 2 года назад
Awesome video, never tried that style of paints and yeah I kinda wanna try now. And that Vader would look absolutely awesome next to my original childhood Vader star wars figure, and my Lego Vader Keychain and my multiple star wars collectibles. As an 50 + yr artist I've learned new things, between you and jazza you guys have really great videos and channels
@aaronhenley4741
@aaronhenley4741 2 года назад
You inspired me to try using Promarkers for coloring. It’s been a lot of fun finding my style. Thank you ADCArtAttacj.
@damieanmcclain3639
@damieanmcclain3639 2 года назад
I've been here since you only had 200k viewers and am so proud at how much you have grown! I'm only 15 but I cant wait to be as good as you!
@damieanmcclain3639
@damieanmcclain3639 2 года назад
subs not views btw
@dominiguat
@dominiguat 2 года назад
I love your work bro!!!! I got back intro drawing because of my kids but now I’m drawing all the time because of you, thank you for bringing me back to what i use to do all the time!
@JessicaOlzzon004
@JessicaOlzzon004 2 года назад
I mean as an artist I’ve always lived by the words ”an artist does what he can with what he has”. This just process that you can still create wonderful art with cheap supplies
@thomasdaigle1416
@thomasdaigle1416 2 года назад
ADC I just want to say I've been watching your videos for a very long time. I love the content that you put out and it's gotten me back into drawing myself. I've been trying to do digital for a little while and Watching your videos has made me want to pick up a pencil again and Take some courses. Hopefully you can do more DBZ in the future. That was how I 1st found your channel and Your work on Dragon ball characters is amazing thank you again for all you do.
@TheMysticObservatory
@TheMysticObservatory 2 года назад
I definitely knew that Arteza Gouache was going to win. And my reason being: Is that if you're amping up into professional painting or even blending, Arteza Gouache will take artists to the next level. Plus it even creates the epic blending and effects into the piece itself And I'm Team Light Side
@SpySkater1
@SpySkater1 2 года назад
Great job, ADC! I dunno which is more worth it, to be honest. I think Arteza’s colors are more striking, which I really like here. But the blends on the other brand are so smooth and nice to look at. Hard to say. Also, I love following you on Twitch! It’s always a great time.
@melissasherman3897
@melissasherman3897 2 года назад
I'm glad you are okay like the left one paint one nicer and clear.
@catrasyn
@catrasyn 2 года назад
Never apologize for listening to metal. Nice choice ☺️ And with brushes there are some that work better for watercolor and acrylic, and others that are more designed for oil paints. Plus with all the different sizes and shapes it's just finding the right one for the need you're looking for.
@JHARTWORK
@JHARTWORK 2 года назад
Imperial theme song incoming. Da da da dem dada dem dada! Had that song the whole video. rip copyrights! Great artwork, vidéo and always fun to see/hear you!
@nothingwhatsoevertwotone
@nothingwhatsoevertwotone Год назад
8:11 every good man knows a victory
@AnchoredArtDesigns
@AnchoredArtDesigns 2 года назад
Love to see this! I know art can seem like an expensive hobby! I love to see that it doesn’t have to be! 😊
@sarahch15
@sarahch15 2 года назад
It might be worth trying a professional grade gouache. Holbein or Winsor & Newton are fantastic options. Also Winsor & Newton Cotman Watercolor brushes are great with gouache.
@sophiewinkler7549
@sophiewinkler7549 2 года назад
Oh yeah. They have nice snap so they can hold up to the heavier gauche. That would be my recommendation too.
@Theflygonn
@Theflygonn 2 года назад
Hey AC art attack you're art made me wanna do art myself thank you for doing that for me
@silasagnostos
@silasagnostos 2 года назад
For brushes, since gouache is so similar to watercolor you'd be best off with watercolor brushes. Sable (kolinsky is usually regarded as the gold standard but red sable can also work well) is great for detail work with plenty of spring in the bristles while also holding a lot of water and paint. They're not as "firm" as synthetic nylon brushes (which, considering nylon points can be hard and sharp enough to damage some paper, that's not exactly a bad thing) while still being plenty firm and springy to hold their point. For large washes and other large areas you can get some squirrel brushes that are quite soft and hold a lot of water for a clean, even layer.
@ImCassy
@ImCassy 2 года назад
Honestly I think choosing based on how the piece looks at the end is very reasonable. I prefer matte when I paint so I get it! Having Satin or Glossy paints would be a deal breaker for me.
@TygerT709
@TygerT709 2 года назад
“All I am surrounded by is fear. And dead men” Coldest Vader line there is
@ArmybedSWEAT
@ArmybedSWEAT Год назад
Im thinking He was gonna leave that little spot open😂💀💀💀 11:00
@SnyperMac1
@SnyperMac1 2 года назад
Last weekend I was inspired to try a new art style and I did better than i thought I was capable of doing, I tried doing a full colour portrait style picture and surprised myself with a Clint Eastwood head shot
@inncidious6694
@inncidious6694 2 года назад
Yay I love your content, you and jazza are the best artists.
@PurpleWillowArts
@PurpleWillowArts 2 года назад
I’m a big fan of Arteza supplies. I have the gouache set as well as the acrylic set (and watercolor) among other things like paper etc. I loved watching this video because you really can tell the difference in the two paints. I really enjoyed it. 😁
@colorrookie5539
@colorrookie5539 2 года назад
Congrats on 600k Never watched Star Wars but the painting is great
@magusofthelibrary
@magusofthelibrary 2 года назад
I absolutely love your passion for gouache! It's exciting, nice to hear, and makes me happy to hear how happy /you/ are about them! You are my favorite youtube artist, and you have been since I discovered you a long time ago :) I send links to your videos to friends often, and they think you are awesome as well. Keep being you, Anthony! You are fantastic ^_^
@forgingaheadinart
@forgingaheadinart 2 года назад
Great video!! I agree, Arteza!! Purely on the basis of matte or shine, I prefer the matte look! Well done sir!!
@jasonrhodes9683
@jasonrhodes9683 2 года назад
The Vader costume is PVC plastic and patient leather, so he would be refective.
@j.a.mallard7826
@j.a.mallard7826 2 года назад
So did not mean to hit dislike. I am glad that you can switch it to a like easily. Every time I watch one of these, I get inspired to grab a page to color. It is fun to just color right along side, kinda. Coloring I have found to be more stress relieving than Journaling since I can just have fun.
@Bastion90
@Bastion90 2 года назад
And in this episode of cheap vs... cheaper
@xraytrixy7935
@xraytrixy7935 2 года назад
Hey Bob, wake up, ADCArtAttack just uploaded.
@mdawson5581
@mdawson5581 2 года назад
I have that Deadpool as Bob Ross funko pop bobble head, one of my faves
@LourdesEsmeralda
@LourdesEsmeralda 2 года назад
You can use watercolour brushes for gouache, intermediate brushes would be good for you, but professional would be better!
@mitchellmckinney7872
@mitchellmckinney7872 2 года назад
i personally think this is the best artwork ive seen you do in my opinion and ive seen you do alot of great ones
@piplup10203854
@piplup10203854 2 года назад
Miami nights is one of my favorites! I just ran out so perfect timing 👀 I need to restock on clickbait as well.
@brandonvananden4600
@brandonvananden4600 2 года назад
ADC i have video idea. Remember when the ten different art style challenge. Could turn micheal myers in ten different styles. Please and thank you
@MoontariArt
@MoontariArt 2 года назад
I used to use Arteza's products and I was satisfied with the outcome but ever since Brexit happened it's been more difficult to buy their products as they no longer ship to EU countries so I had to move on and find different brands for the art supplies I needed 🌴🎭
@mononie
@mononie 2 года назад
I own the arteza set I love them and they work great for me.
@lofisketches6802
@lofisketches6802 2 года назад
for large areas the bigger square flat brushes are nice
@AZrcUnkaiged
@AZrcUnkaiged 2 года назад
I would say keep the Rico for a project where you want a bit of shine. Blend with the Arteza.
@chriskilue
@chriskilue 2 года назад
I like Darth Vader, but I also like Ashoka, and these videos comparing material with the drawings of the characters are good. Question for anyone who would like to answer: Would you say acrylics are much different to gouache in the end?
@odin-aries
@odin-aries 2 года назад
For brushes, it depends on the medium. If your doing watercolor. And want to fill in a large area with a color, you use whats called a mop brush. But for guache, i think a broad brush would work better cause its a thicker medium?? Im not sure... i work more with watercolor than guache, and when i do use guache, its for details, mistake fixes, and such...
@sophiewinkler7549
@sophiewinkler7549 2 года назад
Reflective gauche is a bit of a problem. Gauche is absolutely meant to be matte. Have you tried Windsor and Newton designers gauche? I believe that’s meant to be the best.
@derekberry6122
@derekberry6122 2 года назад
Just because of the new movies coming out, you could do a drawing of Black Adam and /or Shazam Captain marvel. Also pray comes out tonight and I was wondering what in your opinion is the easiest way to make different skin texture and the easiest materials to do them with?
@mjpete27
@mjpete27 2 года назад
Hullo Anthony, I believe Arteza is a bargain brand. I have enjoyed using Turner’s Design Gouache as my premium paints! NOT Acryla gouache, but that is another kind of paint! BRUSHES: soft but firm is key to most gum arabic Paints. I have recommended golden taklon synthetic brushes for painting with gouache and watercolors! You can use faux squirrel hair or real squirrel brushes if you are a fan of the real hair brushes. Synthetic brushes are just so good today. Multiple diameter hairs is key in holding fluid, paint! I believe Chloe Rose’s brushes are taklon. Princeton, Mimik, from Jerry’s Artarama are also brands to consider. I enjoy watching your videos and I would recommend DaVinci of California for ANY PAINT PRODUCTS! They sell it all! I use their white gouache paint with every other gouache paint I have purchased! You always need more white and I know you living in Germany shipping may make them to expensive, but if you are looking for a “Best” paint you might give it a try. You can always look them up here on RU-vid! You take care and have a lovely day!
@kuitaranheatmorus9932
@kuitaranheatmorus9932 2 года назад
I just love watching these videos
@shelbysnellen725
@shelbysnellen725 4 месяца назад
I Love all your videos!!! I'd be heart broken if I couldn't watch them
@saharapanda
@saharapanda 2 года назад
Could you please please please paint something from The Last Of Us? Thanks ADC Amazing vidéo as usual 🥰🤩
@danaparsonsliquidcosmosart2669
@danaparsonsliquidcosmosart2669 2 года назад
That shine would kill that other brand for me to.. plus the black wasn't black it was charcoal grey. Arteza wins hands down
@trimiynchan
@trimiynchan 2 года назад
Have you ever tried using Gouache on wood panel? If you wish to hang the art pieces up then a glass frame causes that reflection so panel would be better though it leaves the paintings vulnerable. After all just a drop of water could activate the paint again. I haven't tried it yet but apparently (Dorland's) Wax medium can protect the gouache painting as a varnish. (Any water based varnish would risk activating the paint again after all.) Maybe worth looking into? Or an idea for a video on how to best protect your gouache artpieces. As for brushes, there are a lot of different ones that can cause different effects but there are a few easy ones to use. An old brush with the hairs standing up in all directions is great to use for tree leaves, fireflies, sparks, distant grasses and textures. Just put a little paint on the end of the hairs and dep them on the painting, do so in varying colours to show depth and shading. The fan brush is great for cross-hatching, grasses, hair and long strands when dragged over the surface. I think the Arteza looked more opague than the other one. Looking forward to the next Gouache painting! These always inspire me to continue painting even on the sluggish days. Who needs GFuel, just watch ADCArtAttack.😸
@inkmodel_mike7289
@inkmodel_mike7289 2 года назад
Just apply a matte varnish after it's dry. Should do the trick and eliminate the reflections
@arnavbedi123
@arnavbedi123 2 года назад
LESSGOO AMAZING VIDD AND ONCE AGAIN I WOULD SAY FROM DAY 1 , ANTHONY ROCKING THE NO GLASSES LOOK YEEEE but yeah love to see ur guache vids my dude
@Drizzerey
@Drizzerey 2 года назад
I think because of the black arteza is better. Also it's hard to beat the price point for quality.
@murderycatdoll1380
@murderycatdoll1380 2 года назад
That Vader Looks so cool! 😍 arteza is an amazing Brand i think. I can't Draw but i would choose their products because they are good and affordable and i am all about fair deals
@f.b.jeffers0n
@f.b.jeffers0n 2 года назад
ALL THE COLOURS!
@donlucio03
@donlucio03 2 года назад
8:05 no worries, rock on 🤘
@vee_tinymoose
@vee_tinymoose 2 года назад
My favourite is the expensive side. It feels more, real? And the blends seem smoother.
@handsomeballs
@handsomeballs 2 года назад
Yo I loved itt!!! It's been a while since I've drawn, kinda lost all motivation to do so.
@antoniomolina6737
@antoniomolina6737 2 года назад
I love your videos. Both sides look great.
@portman180
@portman180 2 года назад
I absolutely bloody love your videos! Smashed it once again 😍
@komma8203
@komma8203 2 года назад
Check out the brushes from winsor&newton series7 and raphael 8404 They are both high quality brushes made for watercolor work
@wondercub
@wondercub 2 года назад
You need to make a tryptic or mural with gouache, awesome video as usual ! Thank you for sharing your art with us all
@silverstormsfury5349
@silverstormsfury5349 2 года назад
Great as always, While I love the feathery smooth look of the Rico. I'm also not a fan of shiny, less it's on purpose, though it does kind of fit Vader and his armor. I think using the Arteza for the base and what ever else, then go over highlights, and some details with Rico would look really good. I would love to see more colored pencil comparisons/coloring/art, tips and tricks, and such.
@themattman1173
@themattman1173 2 года назад
I agree with you on your pick
@BxAJade
@BxAJade 2 года назад
Awesome Darth Vadar painting! My vote goes to Arteza because I don't like the shiny affect of the other brand. The other reason my vote goes to Arteza is because of the amount of color choices available to purchase. $50 for 60 colors of gauche is a deal I feel. Great video as always. Looking forward to the next one.
@bricetaylor7938
@bricetaylor7938 2 года назад
Hey Adc long time fan I love you art especially your dbz art to be honest you give the dbz greats a run for their money I miss your remastered series I think it would be awesome for you to revisit that and maybe do more dbz content again love your stuff please keep doing what you do,🖖
@macieparmenter4544
@macieparmenter4544 2 года назад
ADCArtAttack: Buys pastel set of gauche Also ADC: Paints Darth Vader, literally the least pastel character.
@SexyMonke
@SexyMonke 2 года назад
I love the cheap vs expensive series
@aidanwebster75
@aidanwebster75 2 года назад
I really appreciate this man
@JayofallTrades
@JayofallTrades 2 года назад
I would prefer to spend the extra money on better quality supplies to make my art look professional. However when learning and experimenting styles, I would choose a lower price item until I get better with the medium. I actually have always wanted to try guache so thank you for showing the comparison. I have no doubt that the arteza brand will be worth the price point from previous videos.
@rangeetpaul8425
@rangeetpaul8425 2 года назад
Listen man. NEVER TELL SORRY FOR LISTENING TO METAL. NEVER. THAT'S WHAT HEROES DO WHILE DRAWING.
@ArthurB2023
@ArthurB2023 2 года назад
i would love to see one of these without the line down the middle just the two halves blended together
@littleindi9362
@littleindi9362 2 года назад
I saw death vadar and gouache and knew it would be a good video! 😁
@depagogd1426
@depagogd1426 2 года назад
Darth*
@clellasher7473
@clellasher7473 2 года назад
I'm with you, I need the flat.👍🖌
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