$30 vs. $3000 Microphone  

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And also uses lyrics without much “s” that’s where the cheap trash mics pop in !😂

@@XpertProductionOfficial What? Nothing to do with S's in this video and the cheap mics are usually a 40hz - 16khz response with very little emphasis on anything. So what exactly are you saying?

Bro really thinks that the price of a mic matters.

​@@MomentousArts Cheap condensers tend to put a lot of emphasis on high end. You'll normally see a large bump around the 7K to 14K range and probably some other weird peaks and valleys between 2K and 5.5K. Typically, better mics have a flatter response, up to a point.

@@ChangoFrett There's few "cheap" condensers from reputable brands that do this. What you're talking about is not a cheap condenser, but a flawed condenser. There are in fact "expensive" condensers with "vintage" branding or EQ switches that also emphasize the high end. There are a lot of mics that are flat and sell in the range of $30-$70. Nothing about the U87 is special. It is in fact not a very good mic if your goal is to have flat, accurate, transparent audio. It is a conversation piece if anything, and not a very good one unless all of your friends are audio geeks.

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if you on a super tight budget like that tho you can finesse that little 30 dolllar mic tho (depending on the genre you making and style) cause i had to mix vocals recorded on apple earbuds a few times

@Splitting Time well you probably boosting the highs too much , in my cause the vocals were dark so not a lot of raising the highs but yeah if you want that clarity on the highs with that mic it’s hard

Obviously and then are the other ones around here talking about how close the mic sounds. Incredible how those wannabe golden ears can hear something through YT compression and Tons of processing through their airpods. but then their RU-vid Accounts are full of Videos like "best vocal chains for beginners". Processed vocals are pointless to compare especialy when done bad. AND i mean... He does like 10 sec of the bad mic and 2 of the good one (always) not just once.. brah cmn.

YT actually sounds fine, no aliassing and pretty transparent

i have no idea why people sing like this

Dawg yes idk why he does that

​@@jer7255exactly, like if you have good plugins and you know what you are doing you can make professional sound even with a mic from Walmart

I like it better this way bro, I’m not getting the 3000 one ,but now I know I can make the one 99% of people and I will buy and ,sound very similar…

@@juanpaguerrero613 bro don’t even get the Neumann, get an Austrian audio oc18

Agreed. Sounds like way too much of the low end was scooped out

You said all this stuff but clearly don't understand how compression, EQ work, or what causes a peak, lmfao. No mic is going to take compression poorly, or be harder to EQ if you have any idea how to do either. Peaking is literally something you can avoid if you passed math in kindergarten and has nothing to do with the neumanns price. The neumann is expensive because they are made special with antiquated processes that aren't used anymore as they are generally just bad practices for transparent audio reproduction.

@@MomentousArts Sure you can get it to work. I spent hours with my first Rode condenser (NT1A I think) trying to make it not sound boxy, thin, over-compressed, and I was left with this feeling that maybe I should just get a higher end mic. Which I did. The mic suits my voice more for one, I find it easier to EQ and compress tastefully rather than just struggling to make the source sound good. I get where you're coming from, there is no such thing as a bad mic, but man the last one just didn't sound good, and it felt like nothing I did could change that. Whatever about the price, I like the mic on my voice. Do tell me about the 'bad practices' you mentioned. I'm genuinely curious. And yes. I know how EQ and compression work and what causes a peak. Very helpful.

@@oisinfitzgerald5401 No mic is easier to compress than another. Anyone that knows what compression is is going to be very bewildered by your comment. Comparing anything to a Rode NT1-A is also a mistake, an MXL V67G would have been better for less money. Bad practices include transformers as one example, there is an inherent distortion on mics with a transformer. If you care about accurate reproduction of audio, there is no reason to be using a mic with a transformer. "Vintage" sound draws in a lot of people who misattribute that tone to anything but said distortion. When your hardware is already distorting the very nature of how the sound is recorded before it even reaches the digital stage you will never have a perfect, (relative to what's available) recording.

@@MomentousArts It was an analogy man. Maybe it missed the mark, but surely you get where I'm coming from? I merely meant the cheap mic I had didn't reproduce the audio anyway nearly as well in the setup I recorded through. In the exact same parameters, the Neumann knocked it out of the park. In regards to that second statement, I disagree. Rode NT1A, while I found it frustrating, is still affordable, accessible and tonnes of people get decent results with them. Granted, it's more expensive than it used to be. It's still a condenser mic, I don't see why you can't compare it to other condensers?? I do care about accurate reproduction of audio. I also care about getting a good sound. To my ear, the Neumann gets the sound I'm after. Personally I don't really care for the "vintage" thing and I agree. A lot of people don't really understand that there's way more going on in that vintage sound and companies use that to their advantage to market gear. That is not why I bought a U87. I bought it because I had the opportunity to get one on the cheap (well... cheaper) and I liked the sound of it on my voice.

@@oisinfitzgerald5401 Rode NT1A is fair enough if someone never had a pro mic before. It's going to sound good compared to a non LDC. However, for the cost it's coupled with. There are much better microphones for much less. For the price tag that the U87 carries. Sometimes as high as 3695 it will be a waste of money both for prosumers and legitimate professional studio engineers. Sound treatment is what most people are missing. If you can find a mic that has low manufacturing tolerances for the frequency response results then you have the "best" mic.

yes what is the name ? is condensed ? require phaton power ?

I think it's a tascam tm-80 i have one and it looks the same

I have it 😂

@@TATINA. i do warn you that the cheap one sounds like Apple headphones

@@Burn1naday lol thanks for the warning💕 but I’m a beginner when it comes to this 😭 so idk if I’ll be able to spot the differences like maybe you can. I’m gonna take my chances 🤣

@@TATINA. the snow ball is pretty good and cheap, about same price, 10000 times better. Trust me 🤟🏼

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You have no clue, not even in the same world. Frequency curves are smoothed by default, it's all in the details, resonance peaks are very difficult to EQ out. I must admit I have never heard such a bad sound from the U87, is it even a real one?

@@thierryrogen You have a lot enthusiasm, keep that up . Its a microphone, i have a clue, we live "in the same World" I got the U87 rip-off. I put blacks socks on the Neumann 87 ai./Temu u-87. A/B blind shoot out. With 2 other audio engineer's. We all have degrees in audio. It was heads or tails. 50/50.

facts

No. Post production won't make it sound like the real

How can I make it smoother with post production? I’m guessing multiband compression (and yes I know it still won’t sound as good as the real one)

u got all that from a 1.5 second clip of the expensive mic?

​@cammaman8124 when in the car driving, people listening to music or radio or podcasts out there can't really tell about the brand of mic used in the production. For the most part, it's all about bragging rights to own the expensive ones...

The fact that he added a processor to the expensive mic shows you how good it is lol

Absolutely not bro. There is no difference between "correctly manufactured" large diaphragm condensers and expensive ones. if there's frequencies that you want emphasis on, just eq

@@MomentousArts do you regularly use Neumann mics? I dont which is why I automatically heard the difference. No EQ can make a Rode NT-1 emulate a U47 dude, at least I dont think so

Yup 😂

Nah the audio compression and other stuff just makes them sound similar

My man's got $30 ears 👆

also depends what u are listening through, headphones or decent speakers and u should hear it

No, microphones are just too simple to put any stock in expensive ones being any better. A lot of audiophile drivel is just fallacy

Can u believe I saw someone comment “why does the $30 one sound better” May the lord be with them my goodness.

Lol Chill

thinnest vocal I’ve heard in my life

The $30 mic is a copied design of the original $3000 mic. It's not a fake mic, it just a much cheaper wannabe.

Definitely worth neumann mics are really good but since audio compression on yt it probably doesnt sounds like how it should but im ngl some mics are definitely better then the 3k neumann

@@jonathanfilms408 mics like?

@@SerPLENTIaudio technica at4033a, lewitt LCT 540, Slate ML-1, sony c-80, Aston Spirit, and so on. 😂 you dont have to spend a fortune on a good mic, just do some research for your vocal type

@@fucksosho i was surprised that the slate really sounds similar to the u87 ai tho

That's cause the '30$' one is actually the 3000$ one. He did that on purpose.

It's real, but unfortunately not $30 anymore.

Exactly. There are differences with microphones if you know what you're using, but all this obsession with multi-thousand dollar mics is just fetishism for the most part. The technology we have access to now compared to 40, 30 or even just 20 years ago is incredible. You don't need the expensive stuff to make something really good.

@@inthefade facts

@@inthefade actually right now I'm mixing a song for a music video. Its called either grindstone or nose on the grindstone. Its a live cover by caden guillard. It was recorded with some pretty average gear. I think the mix I've gotten out of it is pretty darn good.

Don't really need one, a microphone isn't complicated enough for there to be much of a distinguishable difference if it's not readily apparent by interference or drastically muffled sound.

Neither dose RU-vid compression

any tips for mixing vocals with a cheap mic to sound better?

@@bf4lvr figure out what frequencies are missing on your microphone vs an expensive one you like. Either find the frequency curves online or borrow a good mic you like to cross reference yours vs it, using a spectrum analyser and recorded wave files. I like TDR Nova as a free one that has great multiband dynamic eq with sidechain capabilities. This way you can see the spectrums and boost/lower your microphone recording to gently match the borrowed microphone recording. Regardless, even with a high quality microphone, you'd have to EQ vocals. Seems cheaper mics lack clarity in the highs, something to consider. I do a lot of pop and now house music production, and cut a lot of the lows in vox, focusing on upper mids to highs. Backing harmony vox almost always has most lows removed so they never overshadow the lead. One trick with vocals is to temporarily mute lows and highs to hear just the mids and see how well that sounds by itself. TDR Nova has a solo type feature to do this, and you can adjust from within that mode to expand or contract. The theory is the mids represents almost all listening conditions across most speaker and environments, thus mixing accordingly this way allows more accuracy/consistency in reproduction. I know I said cutting bass in vocals is one of my things now, but depending on what you require, at least consider sculpting it with EQ. The idea is to have vocals fit better and stand out in the frequencies they shine. No one song has a one fits all solution. I do know that you want to have highs that are present and balanced, as intelligibility and clarity are important. Hope something in this info dump helps.

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