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$5,500 vs $400 Trombone Comparison 

William Lang
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A quick sound comparison between a freshly unboxed (used) Yamaha 643-II that I got for $400 from a trombonechat member, and my daily drive, a state of the art and customized Stephens Horn that I hand picked out of all the manufactures at ITF 2022.

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@mikescudder4621
@mikescudder4621 25 дней назад
Love the look of that Stevens....
@WilliamLang
@WilliamLang 24 дня назад
it's a beautiful horn!
@basstbn89
@basstbn89 20 дней назад
To me, the Yamaha sounds tighter and less resonant than the Stevens. However, I have found the Yamahas respond a bit better with a deeper cup, something like a 5G with a 4G cup. Beautiful sounds across the board.
@WilliamLang
@WilliamLang 18 дней назад
I agree, and I’m actually using a euphonium mouthpiece in this video (I love deep cups!) but that’s just the difference between the horns. I thought the Yamaha was outstanding for the price
@fredericmuscat3217
@fredericmuscat3217 4 месяца назад
Ce que je considérerai c'est surtout le facilité a jouer, car il n'y a pas vraiment de différence sonore entre les deux. Pour moi le poids, la faciliter de produire un son avec la valve sont des caractéristiques que je prendrais en considération. Mais la sonorité d'un tromboniste est unique tout comme la voix humaine, nous avons tous un timbre de voix particulier, donc tu peux jouer dans n'importe quel trombone tu auras toujours le meme son.
@WilliamLang
@WilliamLang 4 месяца назад
great thoughts! my main horn is indeed easier to play, and has a slightly easier trigger range
@marcusschneider2880
@marcusschneider2880 4 месяца назад
An interesting observation regarding your remark about how with the Yamaha, you feel your throat closing up. I've experienced a similar phenomenon with my Bach 36, even in comparison to smaller bore horns like my Olds Super. So far, I haven't found an explanation. I've considered factors such as how I hold the horn-I have long arms, etc.-and if I'm getting too stiff. Sometimes, this even leads to my voice sounding very hoarse.
@WilliamLang
@WilliamLang 4 месяца назад
I can totally see that happening - I took out my Yamaha 882V and compared the valves - the 643 definitely is a little less open through the valve - but my gear has been chosen to make that sound as open as possible, so I'm not too surprised. I'll definitely be keeping my eyes open for other horns like this though - they would make absolutely great bridge horns for students
@IBoughtItMyself
@IBoughtItMyself Месяц назад
Yammy sounds good. Screaming good deal.
@grandert
@grandert 4 месяца назад
Thanks for the comparison. As a student it might be tempting to think that you need an expensive “latest model” trombone to sound great and be able to compete. Me, as an ex trombone player, who has taken up trombone playing again have been experimenting with some older horns as alternatives to the latest models. This includes some Holton models (158 and 159), Yamaha models (like the 648R - the model which Christian Lindberg actually recorded some of his early albums on) and my current favorite - a Benge 195F. They all have their strengths and I still haven’t found the horn that has it all, though the Benge beats my old 1956 Elkhart 88 and my Bach 42 Thayer in some aspects.
@WilliamLang
@WilliamLang 4 месяца назад
There are definitely a lot of great older horns out there! I'm pretty sure this 643-II is the same as the 648R but with a gold brass outer slide instead of a nickel slide. Super solid horn, and it's fun to know that about Lindberg!
@grandert
@grandert 4 месяца назад
@@WilliamLangyes, old horns are very exciting! So much history. I actually have two 648R, the older one has brass outer slide, and the newer one has a Yamaha logo and insignia on the bell and nickel slide. The old one plays like butter, and I prefer that one. Both of them has the semi open wrap though, so I think they are slightly different than your horn. Confusingly enough there is a 648 (without the R) that has the same F as the conn. A bit different bell than the 648R as well (less red). I really agree with your statement that lot of these horns are very undervalued.
@showingYOUtheworld
@showingYOUtheworld 3 месяца назад
The difference is mainly in the play feeling. Still the Shires has a bigger and more rich sound, but from other hand that Yamaha is more versatile. It can be used in all kind of orchestras including Big Bands and combo sections. Everything is just my personal opinion of course
@WilliamLang
@WilliamLang 3 месяца назад
yeah, my stephens horn was definitely set up to be a big tone machine - the yamaha would be much better on a third part of a jazz band i think! good bridge to the bass bone
@showingYOUtheworld
@showingYOUtheworld 3 месяца назад
Absolutely agree with you 👍 Thumbs up for your video !!!
@daglowcruz1607
@daglowcruz1607 Месяц назад
Intonation is different
@aammarkhan2661
@aammarkhan2661 4 месяца назад
I think this really attests to the idea that the player is far more important than the instrument. Both horns sound great, but the Stephens does sound like easier to play/more comfortable.
@WilliamLang
@WilliamLang 4 месяца назад
for sure! i was still quite impressed with the quality on the Yamaha - i think they get a little bit of an underserved bad rep in American trombone circles
@schteak7388
@schteak7388 4 месяца назад
Is this a website where you purchases from I'm really interested in getting a budget trombone on a budget
@WilliamLang
@WilliamLang 4 месяца назад
i got this one from trombonechat. the facebook marketplace can sometimes have hidden gems as well
@schteak7388
@schteak7388 4 месяца назад
@@WilliamLang what do you think of John packer and Wessex trombones
@WilliamLang
@WilliamLang 4 месяца назад
they're not very good overall, even for brand new budget options. i would rather get a used horn from yamaha or bach for the same price personally
@WilliamLang
@WilliamLang 4 месяца назад
some people like them a lot, but i'd rather get a used horn from a more reputable maker for serious purposes
@schteak7388
@schteak7388 4 месяца назад
@@WilliamLang have you heard of the new y fort trombones?
@mombooze
@mombooze 4 месяца назад
The closed wrap is a little stuffy on the yamaha.... I agree yamahas are undervalued tho
@WilliamLang
@WilliamLang 4 месяца назад
also has a giant dent in it! so maybe a little better than you're hearing there
@joseayala-zg5fm
@joseayala-zg5fm Месяц назад
whats your thouths on a first time ever beginner with a yamaha tenor 354 trombone.. i have 22 months playing alto an tenor saxophone
@WilliamLang
@WilliamLang Месяц назад
Great beginning horn. Just focus on making musical sounds and have fun!
@joseayala-zg5fm
@joseayala-zg5fm Месяц назад
@@WilliamLang thank you
@joseayala-zg5fm
@joseayala-zg5fm Месяц назад
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