@@lochl2 yes. Like build the absolute fastest drivable race car without rules. That would be crazy. The porsche 919 EVO is a bit close to this scenario however it's built upon an existing platform that was governed by rules. We'd like to see something built from the ground up.
@@ipo7596 I agree, something similar to the Red Bull x2010 Adrian Newey designed some times ago. Not sure how someone would be able to drive this thing without passing out tho... However I really think the F1 should be revised from the ground up. It's supposed to be the pinnacle of motorsport but every innovations ends up illegal. They really should focus on safety and efficiency at their primary rules but scrap everything else. The car should be within certain parameters like the size and the drag produced to offer interesting races. Other than that, it's up to the teams are allowed to use x amount of fuel to finish the race. You want to use a good old V10 ...okay! or a small 4-cylinder with big ass turbos? fine! ...but keep in mind you need to use x amount of fuel. I think we'd be surprised to see how out of the box some team will think. To keep things interesting I'd make all cad files/designs available after 3 races so any team would be able to see/use the other teams ideas. That would be highly controversial but very cost efficient for teams with smaller budget. Other bonus is that we'd know what the Aston Martin would looks like in 3 races :P
@@cybernetix86just wait for the ‘26 specs. I have this uncanny feeling that wings will be basically completely banned outside 60’s style winglets and a smaller version of the current rear wing with 90% of the DF made via ground effect
Pirelli doesn't just get 20 million pounds per year for their services in F1, marketing deals with F1 plus their own marketing on their own road production tires severely outweigh any development and technical support costs that they spend, especially given how big F1 currently is. Add to that the knowledge they gain from their development the long term profit for pirelli is immense!
I realized how effective their marketing was when I recently saw a set of pirelli p zeros on a car and I thought to myself, "damn those look like some grippy tires". Nevermind the fact that other tire manufacturers also make performance tires
@@MoGumbo_ of course, the comparison to the multi-billion cost of road tire prices made it seem like pirelli hasn't hit the jackpot with f1, when, in fact ,they have
@@hassannaeem101 Just the white/yellow/red band around road tires would make people on the market for grippy street tires interested and people's turn heads. No matter their performance on the road/track. It's amazing how far their reach is because of their F1 involvement.
How has f1 not given you your own show/segment Like seriously wtf the quality of these videos are top tier You and your team do incredible work, maybe they can’t pay you enough 😂 Keep up the great work lads and ladies!
When I worked at a land fill we had a area to dispose of tires. We had to be careful because sometimes on very worn tires little pieces of the steel bead can poke through. They can cut you through your gloves.
Last time I put tires on my Vette the rears cost $650 USD a tire. On another note I once did some promo work with American Racing Wheels which is owned by Wheel Pros in California. Anyways they had a BWT Racing Point wheel on their shelf and the first thing I did was pick it up and I was shocked with how light the wheels are.
@@Photobombin The maintenance on the 911 was absurd, thank God it was a lease and under warranty, otherwise I would have spent well over $13K for fixing relatively minor things, like a squeaky clutch pedal bushing that required removal of the dash to access. A $10 bushing required 15 hours of labor at $189/hr.... Porsche tax...
@@groosbro1 I can only imagine. I would have loved a 911 but to steep for my current financial situation. I just play with Corvettes cause they are cheap and I know the ins and outs of every single generation having worked on restorations. I haven’t had any experience with a C8 but seems like a good value for the money. The 911 though…. I’ll keep dreaming hahaha.
@@Photobombin It wasn't overly "expensive" at about $1,100 a month, and I had it through the Covid lockdown. No one on the roads, no police, no commuters, it was a joy to wind it out in first three gears to 7,500 rpm, at which point it was at "loose your license" speed... 🤣
I don't know how much faith I'd have in a £200 set of 60k mile tires. I can't do the conversion in my head, but my last set of tires, the most expensive tires I've ever bought, cost over $1400US. 20in Michelin Pilot Sports for an Audi S5.
Lol my mom just bought Walmart Brand Chinese tires for her 2020 Ford Explorer. I tried telling her to get Michelins but she said they cost too much. 30 minutes later she’s talking about planning a Spring Break vacation to NYC(this is normal it’s only 2hrs away) and going to the Louis Vuitton store. Won’t spend $1,000 on the thing that stops her 5,000lb SUV that does 80mph but will spend $3,000 on a bag.
I believe Scott has the incorrect cost for the F1 tires. I run Pirellis on my cup cars and a full set is approx $3200USD. Impossible to believe F1 tires cost less than mine. Great content other than improper cost.
@@_Drekavac_ yeah, also the car will be undrivable,its will have 0 grip and the tryres will then overheat too..its impossible for normal tyres to output 1000hp and now that i think about it,maybe they would also get ripped completely from the loads of the high downforce corners such as copse ,maybe even on the straights
no they wouldn't explode or desintegrate... that's racing tires. road tires have way harder compound and are often rated for much larger (weight) loads than f1 cars. it would just have way less grip, and as such would never be able to apply the horizontal loads that would be necessary to cause problems (i think, maybe i'm underestimating how much grip just straight downforce gives the car). f1 road cars would be like FE, but maybe worse because FE still uses softer compounds than most road tires, even if they're granite compared to f1.
I can't help but think going back to pre-2017 tires would solve a lot of F1's problems. Less aero wash, less grip (to encourage move overtaking), less weight (and, crucially, less unsprung weight), lower risk to marshals and pit crew if wheel tethers fail, and it will allow F1 cars to be substantially narrower and aid in solving the size problem.
Not necessarily. Less mechanical grip means you’re relying more heavily on aero grip, which is more easily disrupted by the car ahead of you. Less aero grip means you’re skidding more in the turns, slowing you down.
Pre 2017 tyres were terrible. Also dirty air from the tyres was actually worse during those days and better today because of the wheel covers and the front wings. Plus it's less effective due to the increased focus on ground effect
I’ve seen how the land speed record breaking tires are produced at Goodyear in Akron OH. Those are more unusual than F1 ones - stiffer (feels like wood) and very thin to avoid too big of a temperature gradient, which may lead to deformation and rupture. The production is R&D-like, they are handmade in very small quantities.
If only we could get decent tires for $50.. the cheapest I'd put on anything are ~$70 and my budget track tires are ~$95 can't even imagine splurging on slicks
@@mattfantastic9969 Food in the grocery store, especially healthy food, is also ridiculously expensive. Fast food and pizza, I agree, is cheap as gas. I remember getting a much better quality burrito from a Mexican quality for the price of 2 frozen burritos from the supermarket. The latter - not worth it.
i want to go back to the Senna days where they abused the tires in the whole race overtaking eachother many times... today there is a 2 or 3 lap "window" where you can try to overtake once or twice...
NO, they're not called dynamometers. Dynamometers measure torque and speed (and thus power) of a motor to measure its performance. This can be done through the wheels, the hub, or directly on the fly wheel, however that machine shown testing the tyres is not a dynamometer. It might use a small dynamometer within it to measure some of the parameters of the testing, i.e. the torque of the road being driven, ad the torque on the tyre. However that machine is a MTS Flat-Trac® IV CT plus Tire Test Bench specifically. There isn't really a nice neat name for the tyre testing machines, but more or less they're called dynamic tire test rig.
Up to 60,000 miles??? Not sure what tyres you're using but I've had top of the line Pirelli, Michelin, Bridgestone (worst) and more, for most which last around 30- 40,000 km.
Always wanted to know, if the tread pattern on pirelli's wet and intermediate tires are so incredibly good at dispersing water and adding back a lot of wet weather grip, why isn't that same pattern used in road cars? Wouldn't such a pattern make tires safer in tough weather conditions and lessen the possibility for hydroplaning?
Road noise is not a relevant concern when designing an F1 tyre, neither is fuel economy to the same extent that it is for a road tyre. An extreme wet tyre doesn't need to function at all in dry conditions either, unlike a road tyre - which must not only function in a wide range of conditions, but handle as predictably as possible in those conditions too.
$1000 bucks for an F1 tire? When I was 20 years old I had a lifted Silverado with huge off-road tires. I went in to get new tires and the shop quoted me $2500. So $1000 for an F1 soft is a bargain I think.
If I had the money, I'd take an F1 tire, drill some deep holes into the sidewalls and then stick some metal rods in it and then put glass on top and I have an F1 tyre coffee/end table.
Isn't that really cheap? Handbook f200 slicks are like 400 each, that's £1600 for a pretty low level race car. F1 are only paying £2200 for a set of 4? Seems crazy cheap to me. Is that a special price? I've heard they effectively "rent" the tyres? Is that why they seem cheap perhaps?
I'm honestly baffled how cheap the F1 tires are, I had no idea. What I did remember is that a set of tires for a Bugatti Chiron is $42.000 and needs to be replaced every 2500mi (4000km). Now THAT'S expensive af.
@@bakedbeings You're right about the gluing part, but it doesn't come with the the wheels... the wheel set is an extra $69.000 for some extra crazyness lol. And the wheels need to be changed with every second new set tires. Check out Motortrend's review of the Veyron Grand Sport Vitesse from 2012 for details.
Not sure why you wouldn't also include pirelli in the list of regular manufacturers, and mention they do indeed manufacture commercial tyres, and given they're tyres are usually at the high end for either luxury/comfort, or performance, they make a significant amount.
Hi, I noticed that you did not pick up on the heat build up caused by the flexing of the tyre and the dispersal of the heat out of the tyre on the wall design. The other point is that tyres are made by hand, what other items are hand made on a vehicle? Cheers mate. Harera
Thanks for the video, but please reconsider the music choices. For example at 8:15 onwards, the music is too fast paced for the content and kind of anxiety inducing!
I think that the audience is at a point where they might need to know what slip angle means, and how does the tire actually move you forward and back, and what makes it possible to turn. I'm talking about the rubber stretching, which is the force that actually moves and turns you. When you push on the rubber, it pushes back, when you stretch it, it pulls itself back. And this is the force that does EVERYTHING, as long as we are within static grip zone... it is one of the most wonderful sensations, to understand how tires work, realizing that the tire does not move when you rotate the wheel: relative to the road, the contact patch is STATIONARY. Like you are not moving at all. Rotate the axle, the tire stretches and pushes against the road using traction and this makes you move forward. I want more people to get that feeling cause it is amazing high... If i could, i would push a button to forget it so i can learn it again.
the 2012 season isn't that the reason The tires are so precise cause 8 different winners in first 8 races (crazy)....so FIA loved that that's why the side walls so thin???? Teach me dammit!!
Isn't it amazing.. if you guys notice, its like they had a theme if one RU-vid talk about tires one also talked about them One bought a Subaru they also bought a Subaru...
Content on the makeup of the tires is great, but the costs don't make sense. My darn Continental summer tires are over 300 bucks now and the are only 255s.
I thought F1 tyres would be even more expensive than that, a new set for a Veyron or Chiron costs more. But indeed, if you add the number of sets each team uses over a weekend...
