I had the saubhagya of meeting Dr.Elst in February in Indraprasth listening to him is literally a masterclass in our own Itihas. What a man, I pray to Mahadev and Vishnudev for his long life and excellent health. Please continue blessing us Dr.Elst🙏🚩
Aryan invasion theory (AIT) is a myth planted by the British. Long suppressed by Left-leaning academia and Marxist historians who had been drafting the syllabus of the past for seven decades, scholars are on a Swachh Bharat History Mission using classical, anthropological and archaeological evidence to refute the invasion doctrine; sometimes even wandering into the misty miasma of mythology to prove a point. DNA fuels debate Paleontological evidence of a Harappan Indian civilisation, which traded with Central Asians around 2500 BC, too, contradicts AIT. The absence of the genetic marker in ‘14411’ proves that the Harappans beat the itinerants by a cool five centuries. Anthropologists and geneticists find no significant differences between the skeletons of Indus Valley Civilisation’s (IVC) inhabitants and the Indo-Aryans. Sanjay Dixit, a bureaucrat, author and chairman of the right-wing Jaipur Dialogue think tank, had announced a prize of Rs 10 Million to anyone who could prove the AIT or AMT, as anthropologists call it. There were no takers till date.
Greetings to India’s one of the greatest historians 🙏🏼🙏🏼 Thank you so very deeply for upholding Indic history and enlightening many young Hindus about India’s true ancient history and therefore always fighting for the truth 🙏🏼🇮🇳🙏🏼 Few years ago I ordered 4 Books of Koenraad Sir and I have to admit I was jolted with the revelations of Ancient Indian History as well as revelations about concealing of true history of India by Communist Historians.
Arjuna visited South India and South Indian kings participated in the war. So saying Bharat is confined to North India is not correct. Way Back even lord Sri Ram went upto Srilanka covering all South Indian areas. According to Indian literature, Bharat Varsha covered not only the entire present day India but also areas which are different countries now.
First read the original books written on indian mythology then you would understand the history better. Adi Ramayana is a poem written by Agni sharma aka Valmiki about a mythical prince in 200-400bc Maurya dynasty period and not the manipulated 16th century tulsidas ramayana. Mahabharata and its characters from Karna(west bengal) to krishna (Dwarka-Gujarat) didnt cross the south of Vindhya. Half knowledge is bad knowledge. Just like India cant be called Maurya or Gupta since they ruled a large part of India, it cant be called Bharat due to some mythological book and its character.
@@robys004 I understood that you read original Valmiki Ramayan and Vyasa Bharatam. Please tell me the place where Arjuna did Tapasya about Shiva to get Pasupata Asthra. Is it the Indra keeladri at Vijayawada in Andhrapradesh. I wanted to know the facts. Please clarify my doubt.
@@robys004 and Ramayana is not a Mythology. It is Our Itihaas. Proofs are there to confirm the existence of Sri Rama. Don't ask me for those proofs. You read the original books and you must have read the various Arkhiological evidences also. I am not so well read. You may cross check and clarify.
May Shri Ram bless you with long life and good health sir!! Though so called Hindu organisation and party never acknowledged your contribution but you really are modern day Rishi sir. We owe a lot to you ❤.
Koenraad Sir is an ocean of knowledge and it’s so sad that an intellectual of his stature hasn’t been given the respect and name that he so truly deserves…he has truly carried forward the legacy of stalwarts like Sita Ram Goel, Ram Swarup and R C Majumdar. Again thanking you Sir for your in depth knowledge of Ancient Indian history 🙏🏼🙏🏼
The western historians no matter whatever proof or research comes out will always claim the stupid Aryan Invasion theory. I knew his further dialogues as soon as he said that ancient Indians "worshipped fire". Fire is a medium of Yajna, not the subject of Yajna!
@@MrVijaybade Two clarifications: 1. There is no "Aryan" migration. It is Vaidik people migration. Arya simply means Noble even in Vedic Sanskrit. and 2. The migration happened East to West, by a division of Sura/Deva and Asura people. Deva are proto-Indic Vaidik people who expanded East through India, and Asura are proto-Persian Vaidik people who migrated West from Sindhu to Persia further to Europe.
@@lowbudgetscientist you call it aryan or vedic.,, but fact is migration happened. second point is direction of migration was majoraly from persia to india,,,, you can see lot of similarity between vedic traditions and avesta text of zorashtrian... fact that people deny migration is it does not suit their political agenda .
@@MrVijaybade I am more inclined to believe that the breaking point was near to the Indus river rather than the dry valleys of Persia/Afghanistan region. The western scholars and their lackeys keep beating the same drum of "local political agenda" when we prove the extremely ancient origin of Vedas and their association with proto-Indic people by mention of Saraswati river and other evidences. It is because the Europeans have a superiority complex and we have people who love to kiss their boots rather than even listening to our arguments.
The cast system was not part of Bharat. There was only Varna system. No one is superior and no one inferior. All have their duties spelled out according to their inherent qualities and capabilities. Later on the Varna system took a naturalised system. The cast system is the invention of British to divide the people for making their work easy.
no it is not, britishers are recent phenomenon, we always had varna system, and all ancient cultures have such classification system, even so called western Civilization had such classification system, it's just westerners spread a narrative that only hindus had such system
@@rakeshbarman3486 yes it is.... Only British ppl have such systems like high class... working class ..low class..during Victorian times in their country.... They imposed same wherever they ruled... Which led to caste system...
@@Shiva-zj6od sorry to correct you. The verna system has nothing to do with the class system. It is only based on the abilities and characteristics(Gunas) and work prescribed based on these to the people. Although people of different Vernas performed different works, no one was considered superior or inferior. Based on the work, people got certain benefits. Even when a person from Sudra verna became a ruler, he was served by others. This is a vast subject.
Reference to Krishna is pretty clear. Reference to the durga (or shakti) is subtle, he talks about a caring mother. There is no apparent mention of shiva, the last stanza basically talks of a new sunrise and waking of a sleeping India. The total poem is well sanskritised, and even non-bengali speakers can understand.
Wonderful conversation and thanks to Dr. Elst for his scholarship, as always. Minor correction: it was king Bharata (Bha-ruh-taa), not Bhaa-ruh-ta (pertaining to Bharata, or to Bharat).
This took me 2 days to watch an I have still not completed it. The need to rewind, relisten and google words, regions, people, events. I absolutely loved it. I am saving this and will definitely watch it again in 6 months.
The words Dravida and Arya are Sanskrit words. However I think the words Aryan and Dravidian was coined by the British to divide and rule and then deviously used the the term to develop white superiority. I may be wrong. I am from Africa. Arya means noble, pure in Sanskrit. Dravida means South in Sanskrit. The British twisted the meaning
Absolutely right! Just a small correction. Dravida means land surrounded by water. So Gujarat state was also a Dravid region which now is considered a "northern" state. You are right, there's no such thing as Aryan only Arya. Where did you learn all this?
@@vaibhavyadav9912 Many thanks for informing me that Dravida means surrounded by the sea in Sanskrit. As mentioned but the word Dravidian was coined by the British . Best wishes from Africa.
No institution of the state is a holy cow. Open and frank conversation creates a society with strong backbone. Great job Arihant hope u bring in some guests to discuss Airstrikes and how Indian inability to detect Pakistani planes which reached all the way to Rajouri is again a less spoken part in the jingoism.
The battle of 10 kings,the Dasaranja war is as exaggerated as Mahabharata. Where in the former event, Indra helped them, pushpa vrishti from heaven, later text, Karna is Surya's son,Arjuna is God ndra's son etc are exaggerations. So both the stories are real "stories"!! May not be facts! Some true elements might be there, rest are imaginations or lost , while sharing ,through word to mouth not by writing.( We know how much mistakes happen when we play the game passing the parcel. Just in 1 min we change a word into something totally different from whayv it is spoken by the first person. So let's imagine,how much the topic might have changed/ transformed after so many years/ generations!! Thats the problem with Shruti!!)
@@honeyv6020 nope adhniyak word refers to the footlicking of the indians and the loyalty we have to possess for the britishers its a song of colonial foot licking
Great topic and you probably need a Genealogist for that as well- Aryans, Greek, Kushans many different tribes have lived on this land (North of Vindhyachal range)
With all due respect to Dr.Elst, I think we should keep the Shrutis and Smritis out of the context of historiography. Their locus is entirely different
Elst has lots of problems with his analysis. He underestimates the profundity and dates of vedic culture dharma, he doesn't acknowledge colonial crimes agaisnt bharata either old or continuing, and he always posits the most crass explanation and denies dharma. A reformed hippie whose parents were missionaries, he has said some important points over the past 40 years or so but even a clock is right 2 times a day. He acts as if he has some special phone line to Shri Sita Ram Goel and Shri Ram Swarup, but the kadwa sach is that Elst has hindered the development of intellectual hindutva by trying to impose western academic blinders on it. He is overall a partisan of the west. Bharatiyas have always known that AIT was wrong. Pandit kota venkatachalam refuted these western shenanigans long before elst. Elst just copies his works where he doesnt outright corrupt them. You can't take the west out of elst. Elst is one if those cinfused westerners who could never tap into the western power structure and he subconsciously blames hindus for it. He wants to trade muslims for hindus as the foot soldiers of a dying and decadent west. Sorry elst, hindus are not munnas of the west. He is a corrupt encyclopedist like iyer mitra but unlike iyer mitra his vulgarianism is limited to his philosophy aka " scientific temperament" or occam's razor as he likes to call it. His most obnoxious "teaching" is atheism in ancient bharata which is an anachronism since atheism is a western philosophical product secularizing Christianity. Backstabbing Hindus while moralizing to them about "reason". It is his way of appropriating the vedas despite seemingly refuting AIT. Sanatanis need to learn about this pretender elst. Also elst is an egoist. Although closer to Diderot, he thinks he is the next voltairie. And he is probably also autistic given his slow speech.
Chill brother, it's a platform to express. Most westerners talk about many cultures with only experiment basis but many key points may be missed..that they can't realise. That's our part
You may or may not have good points , but it is all in drain because you are personally attacking some one for no reason. Could have made all your points with out insulting the man.
1. Sanskrit a language started in around 7th century being developed from Paali and Dhamma literature. All Kind Ashoka stone writings are only in Paali. So u can understand how vedas and Mahabharata were created. Aryans were the most brutal people ever lived on earth. They manipulated our generations blackmailing with false religion
Please tell sir that he looks absolute badass in beards. Joke aside, i would request all my friends to read his books, I can help you which one to pickup but please, my perspective totally changed..
Kon Bol raha hai aisa? Don't bark unnecessary, People may say that you will get your personal planes, house made up of Gold and gems, and many other things but Dancing with Apsaras is totally out of the context thing. Don't forget they are also mothers of various great kings and sages.
Aryans and Dravidians both had been living in India together for many thousand years, and in the course of time, they mixed up. Now, there is none who can claim to be pure Aryan or pure Dravidian. Most of the Indian people have genes from both races.
The host should let Mr. Elst speak, and not constantly interrupt him and finish his sentences for him. Sunne ki aadat daalo bhaai. We want to listen to the guest, not you.
Hi Shishir, appreciate your feedback. Just to clarify, in almost two-hour episodes, the host would've barely spoken for 5 minutes. This is structured as a conversation not as a one sided lecture. If you're looking for content with no host intervention, Koenraad Elst's monologues/presentations on RU-vid might be more in line with your preferences. Thanks for watching.
@@Vaad Hi Vaad. Thanks for your reply. I appreciate it. I just want to make my point clear: when I said "We want to listen to the guest, not you" I meant that the host must first ask questions, and then allow the guest to answer them without interruptions. We want to listen to the guest's answers, and we want to know their perspective. While watching this podcast, I observed that you were asking the questions, and then as Mr. Elst was answering them you were cutting him off and completing his answers for him. It was like you already knew all the answers to your questions, and Mr. Elst was just there for formality sake. You seemed like both the questioner and the answerer. Moreover, sometimes you even asked him another question while he was in the middle of answering a previous one, thus completely wasting the point of asking a question in the first place. Wish you all the best!
@@darkprince2490 In that case, the host should have asked new questions to him which he has not answered publicly before. That is the point of a podcast - to learn something new. If everyone already knows everything before hand, then why would anyone want to watch the podcast?
@@shishirv99 elst throws a tantrum if he gets contradicted in any way. you can see it even in this podcast. he's a very difficult person to interview. what ever the question, his answer is always the same; linguistics is an exact science, vedas are primitive, vedas are ignorant of 99% of later hindu culture, vedas were limited to only one branch of one "tribe" found in NW india, instead of losing cultural diversity over time or multiple preexisting traditions being brought to the fore, the "poets" "invented" everything in the epics each time they had a chance. AIT may be wrong, but all the dates favored by AITwallahs are definitely right. vedic seers were protoscientists just like him. he's been saying that indo-pak joke for about 8 years now. western academia is pure as the driven snow. racism against indians is a conspiracy theory by hindu nationalists. churchill loved indians. elst relies on a captive audience and subversive discourse tactics to impose his views. the podcaster here just wants a westerner to confirm OIT, that is really the only value that elst brings and most indians are fine with that.
Aryans invasion side kar do..aur ye dekho haryana me jatts aur Punjab ke jo log hai ye baki Indians se itna alag kyo dikhte hai...Punjab aur haryana ke pas hi uttar Pradesh hai lekin waha ke logo me kitna difference hai..
Haryanvi jatts and up jatts are genetically similar, Up bamans and Bhumihar have higher r1a than Punjabi bamans. Punjabi khatri, Arains, Arora, Bhati and Khamboj belong to a common cluster while Punjabi jaat, Gujjar and Rajput are of different clusters.
@@dekhmatbe point to be noted that pahadi jatts of utrakhand, Himachal and Jammu are genetically different than haryanvi,Punjabi,rajastani and Up jaats
@@meteor541 uttrakhand ka jat to kaafi sunder aur attractive hota h maine dekhe h haridwar side ,lakshar side gujjar bhi bahut h but jat zyda sunder hai gujjars ke comparison me ,but muslims Gujjars bhi kaafi lambe tagde aur sunder hote h
@@dekhmatbe Sundar tho alag alag log hote han but pahadi jatts have less r1a than the other jaats biradri. Gujar tho alag biradri hai and most muslims gujjar are Punjabi and pahari-kashmiri. Closest caste to Jaats after rors is ironically khatris even though jaats Kang and include Arains, Arains are closer to Khatri and Arora that Jaats
So many self proclaimed Academic Historians and PhD holders in the comments. No wonder collective IQ of this country is rapidly moving towards the negative.
Aryans from Iran . invaded the world . in the last 7000 years . India was only one of invaded countries . Iran Greatest nation of human history . Great that Indians now know it . even the country name com from Persian language .
This was not invasion but one common culture. The asuric(iranian aryan) fought a great war with devas(indian aryan) which led to civilizational collapse.
@@hellachan8080 no it was an invasion . that is why most of you are black . there was a black natives in there when we invaded and gave them civilization . if you are bright or close to white . you can claim you are from us . other than that. don't sweat it buddy . it is ok.l
Loved the discussion, however i feel that few things could have been included in the discussion, e.g. vedic gods, chariots and horses, are vedic sanskrit and avestan sister languages, things and references we could pull from the fire worshippers(considering there was a proto culture before vedic/Devayasni/Mazdayasni considering harappan people more of nature worshippers than fire worshippers)
As a student of linguistics, there is not much difference really. From the ordering of vowels and consonants to the sentence structure, there is similarity. However since Tamil is an old language the vocabulary may have developed independently. Although there is also an overlap there.
Arya just means noble. It is a trait. Not a race. It was only applied to bharatiyas.or those who followed the vedic path including Indonesians etc at one point. It was never applied to the west. In fact the nazi indologists stole this term from Bharata. Invariably, westerners were considered as mlecchas. In former times to even be seen with a mleccha was considered an abomination and collaboration with the enemy.
Anyone who devotedly & strictly followed Vedic Path are known as Aryas no matter which race he/she belongs to. Today, there is hardly anyone in India who can be called as Arya.
1:24:09 To my Father his Great Grandfather is the Adivasi of his House.. To Us a Neanderthal is Adivasi.. To a Neanderthal a Dinosaur is Adivasi.. Instead of *Adivasi* we should use the Term *Vanvasi* Community.
जन गण मन अधिनायक जय हे भारत भाग्य विधाता पंजाब सिन्ध गुजरात मराठा द्राविड़ उत्कल बंग विन्ध्य हिमाचल यमुना गंगा उच्छल जलधि तरंग तव शुभ नामे जागे तव शुभ आशिष मागे गाहे तव जय गाथा जन गण मंगल दायक जय हे भारत भाग्य विधाता जय हे जय हे जय हे जय जय जय जय हे अहरह तव आह्वान प्रचारित शुनि तव उदार वाणी हिन्दु बौद्ध शिख जैन पारसिक मुसलमान खृष्टानी पूरब पश्चिम आशे तव सिंहासन पाशे प्रेमहार हय गाँथा जन गण ऐक्य विधायक जय हे भारत भाग्य विधाता जय हे जय हे जय हे जय जय जय जय हे पतन-अभ्युदय-बन्धुर-पंथा युगयुग धावित यात्री, हे चिर-सारथी, तव रथचक्रे मुखरित पथ दिन-रात्रि दारुण विप्लव-माझे तव शंखध्वनि बाजे, संकट-दुख-त्राता, जन-गण-पथ-परिचायक जय हे भारत-भाग्य-विधाता, जय हे, जय हे, जय हे, जय जय जय जय हे घोर-तिमिर-घन-निविड़-निशीथे पीड़ित मुर्च्छित-देशे जाग्रत छिल तव अविचल मंगल नत-नयने अनिमेष दुःस्वप्ने आतंके रक्षा करिले अंके स्नेहमयी तुमि माता, जन-गण-दुखत्रायक जय हे भारत-भाग्य-विधाता, जय हे, जय हे, जय हे, जय जय जय जय हे रात्रि प्रभातिल उदिल रविछवि पूर्व-उदय-गिरि-भाले, गाहे विहन्गम, पुण्य समीरण नव-जीवन-रस ढाले, तव करुणारुण-रागे निद्रित भारत जागे तव चरणे नत माथा, जय जय जय हे, जय राजेश्वर, भारत-भाग्य-विधाता, जय हे, जय हे, जय हे, जय जय जय जय हे
If you have invited a knowledgeable guest, allow the person to speak freely. Hold your urge to showcase your knowledge. If you want to tell us about your knowledge, have a monologue session but please don't disrupt the podcast.
I think the point that Dr. Koenraad Elst mentions, where it is not possible that the Aryans could have come and imposed their language on the entire Mohenjo or Harrapan populace while it is a fair argument and is difficult to find analogs that the main problem is that the Indo European language is spoken by people in Europe and India so then are we saying that people from India went to Europe and imposed the Sanskrit language on them?
No. Both Indians and central Asians shared common ancestry even before Aryans came. Caucasian hunter gatherers lived in central Asia and Eastern Europe who were cousins of Iranian Neolithic who lived in Indus valley. I personally think Aryans tried to invade indus valley but failed. They then mixed with Indus valley people and then the mixed indus valley people launched an invasion first into UP and then into bactria.
We all have ancestry from the first settlers, yes in different amounts, but I don't see why it matters. We are still family in some way. If the Aryan migration is true, Neither Dravidians nor Aryans can confidently claim to be "original Indians"- in linguistic terms, there is an argument that Dravidians came from Mesopotamia a few thousand years before the Aryans, assimilating and probably displacing the earlier Indians before them. Even the first migrants from Africa drove some native animals to extinction. So there is no point being holier-than-thou about "settler colonialism" so far in the past. Everybody did it, Adivasis, Dravidians, not just Aryans. Anybody who argues otherwise is just playing politics.
1. Where is India located before British 2. Why 80% Indiana are Sudras and 3% Brahmins are superior caste 3. When in History Mahabharat happened and what was the world population number at that time? 4. Why the word Hindu means Thieves? 5. When Sanskrit is not having a literature to write till 7th century, How can vedas and Puranas be written? 6. Why most of the temples today have Budhist origins ? 7. Why there is no single archeological proof for any Puranas and credibility 8. Why majority are called Sudras and how come they are so illtreated in Sanathan and Manu writtings and so belonging to Brahmins I can go on...
I also have similar questions about it. 1. My question is when was the Veda written ? 2. Which language and scripts were used to write Vedas? 3. When was the Nagari script developed ? 4. Prakruti with Dhama script is older or Sanskrit with Nagari script? 5. If Sarvati Sindhu civilization was there with Sanskrit language used by the vedic people of that time then how would it be possible that there was no scripts for it's Sanskrit during that time but only found in post-Buddhist time that to after Asoka? 6. If saravati -sindhu civilization used Sanskrit then how come there would be another language and scripts called IVC which still have not been deciphered? 7. When Asoka was writing prakruti with dhama script what were the Vedic scholars doing to preserve veda and for that why they had to wait until the development of nagari script ( script of Naga Kings) to write Sanskrit to preserve Veda? 8. When Asoka was using multiple languages ( Prakruti, Greek, Kharosti, Aramaic) to write his state rules based on Buddha's Prinicles for the reading of different people having different languages why did he not write anything of sanskrit during that time? 9. Can we assume that Asoka was not exposed to Sankskri (reformed) language called Sanskrit during his time or Sanskrit was not developed with any scripts that time? 10. How is it possible that the same Asoka was able to read and write foreign language called Greek but not indigenous language Sanskrit during his rock edicts and time?
Had a generally positive opinion of Dr. Elst. But the moment he called sages who cognized the Vedas as "poets", he just lost it. Would he also call the compositions of Saamveda which is essentially has sounds vibrations without any specific meaning also composed by "poets". So pedestrian!
@@suryasen7Most overhyped individual thanks to indian RW who promoted him , he has given ridiculous statements about sikh gurus too . Called first few sikh gurus as mere poets in his writeup on sikhism.anyone who is into serious history and research should indulge in peer reviewed papers publications and not short podcasts/ twitter threads.
Full of insights! Kudos to Arihant's contribution as well - good questions at right time. Probably safe to say this one is as of now good authoritative distillation on the subject matter. Having few more limited sequels to this episode, going deep into specific popular arguments (debunking of sorts), can make this a good series..?
Don't worry elst has many megaphones about him and most of his"insights" are taken from other scholars like kazanas, talageri, various unknown Hindus on mailing lists, Sethna, etc. He has turned etymology into a fetish. Better to get someone like vedveer Arya who can understand traditional history and is not a western radical.
@@suryasen7 dude i saw your comments in the live chat. Honestly, if you want to convince other people of your arguments, you might need to change the tone. Also, I used the word distillation for a reason. It covers all major set of arguments, does not attribute final truth, and tells how the understanding of consensus evolved and is evolving, that is what truth seeking pursuit is about. I still could not get what arguments you were making gin your unhinged live chat replies.
His a mid level to Low level Scholar. There is no idol worship or fire worship. Most Scholars from Harvard Oxford are Low level Scholars. His an Atheist an outcaste outsider untouchables take him with a pinch of salt. Know your Bharatian culture civilisation from a Guru Swami not an outcast. It survived thousands of years without needing validation from untouchables and is the only living ancient culture civilisation.
