‘Almost no one ever leaves’: NDIS appears to be a ‘massive racket’ 

Wot fuckin bullshit

Racket another blackhole for your tax dollars

@@djm5699 Dude this is how anything gov funded operates. Set-top boxes given to people with analog tvs were priced by the gov contractor at $450 each yet a competitor was priced at $150... it was reported on in the paper over a decade ago... Its called rorting the system, as old as time.

First home buyers grant, all the prices just get jacked up by builders and it gets gobbled up and makes housing even more unaffordable.

@@thelunn Same thing with university... 50% is already paid for by the gov and the rest is done with a HELP debt from the gov... So since the gov pays, the price doesn't matter to the consumer... And since the price doesn't matter anymore, then uni's can jack up prices...

Its gonna be $100 billion in a few years

Don't worry my 20 cigarettes will cost $85 by then so with 95% of that being tax she'll be right😅,fair suck of the sauce bottle and whatever new bs catchphrase they've created since I tuned out🤦

Drum roll! Many companies don't pay their share of tax.

Time to give up being a self employed sucker and get on board the gravy train.

I don’t mind paying for the disabled but I do not want to pay for the lazy pen pushers .

@@louisebb4183 and the pen pushers' friends

Hey mate, wouldn't mind if the DSP was a living wage..

@@74KU : Yeah good point, it's far too high. Both the dole and DSP must be brought back into line with reality and a time limit applied to both.

Yes the coalition did an awful job when they managed the implementation during their nearly ten years in government. They left a legacy of incompetence for the ALP to clean up.

@davo,Yeah, but they're jobs that need doing in understaffed hospitals and care homes, they won't lose their jobs. I wonder if a big percentage of patients are CV19 Jab damaged and govt is sweeping them under the NDIS carpet?

$17,000 a week

* rort, yes

Asians work....... 😂😂😂

There aren't any "white" people, you racist!

I know a very similar case in Port Lincoln, we talking about the same case?

@@mysty0 No. this one I speak of is no where near there. Its in the state to the right of yours. Seems these aren't isolated incidents. I wonder how many others are rorting the system in this manner.

@@dahudie the case I speak of is my alcoholic brother so I have intimate knowledge of it. He's also been taken on rock concerts and more with accommodation paid for. He has a $280,000 plan and the provider is raking it in. He has a young lass come out and cleans for him, she gets $25/hr while the provider then sends off a bill to NDIS for $1000 for the day. The crap Ive seen. My partner is NDIS registered and only works with 1 child, we made an exception for a child that nobody wanted to work with so yea we know the NDIS well and have been over my brothers plan. Heres whats crazy, as my brother started to express outrage at the rort they became like a cult and started telling him we dont think having your brother and his wife around is good for you lmao. Because we were exposing them

Plus all the other welfare schemes. Australia is becoming the welfare capital of the world. No wonder people rush here to want to live.

And "job agencies"

Yes they cost billions but do nothing to help people get jobs @@Davidb585

Defund all the government

Why didn't it cost to much years ago

@@Ifyouarehurtnointentwasapplied Immigration

@@Ifyouarehurtnointentwasapplied Took a little while for all the scammers to get on board.

The NDIS in itself is not bad,but it is poorly managed,and the government has to take responsibility for that,because they do not audit them regularly. It has become a business and ever Tom,Duck and Harry is in it.

Exactly, that's what I thought .

That is what it is meant to be .. but it doesn’t necessarily mean they need daily care, they might need support 2 days a week

lol..nah you stump your toe you can go on it..ez money

That's what it was supposed to be but finding new ways to rip off money has become a job in itself for a lot of care providers.

@@peterfalconer-h3k its not just the providers, but the carers themselve. Some are charging $100 a hour, so they drain the allocation quicker..then move to the next patient.

That is rife. You get free motorcycle riding lessons, private gym instructors, holidays, any training you want, whatever.

@@ZELJKO472 and seggs workers

Factually incorrect. The NDIS does not pay for food or meals. It will pay for a career to cook the meal. The NDIS will not pay for holiday accommodation. It will pay a career to care for a disabled person on holiday but again the disabled person will have to pay the accommodation cost of the carer. You are deliberately spreading third hand misinformation. If you want factual information I am happy to provide it first hand.

@@ZELJKO472 you would need to provide evidence for your claim to be taken seriously. The NDIS most definitely does not pay a single cent to any participant to go on a holiday. It will cover the cost and wages of a carer for a participant while on a holiday. The participant will have to cover the carers accommodation, food, and travel costs.

@@pwillis1589 A lot of claims must be taken seriously then, because the NDIS holiday racket is booming and everyone on the street knows about it.

It has NOTHING to do with them! They're not in power now!

The NDIS covers none of the things you listed. They simply fund the support worker to take the person out and not the cost of the activities themselves. If they are using their funding that way, then they are taking advantage of the system. It is designed to "bridge the gap" and not take it over entirely as without support they wouldn't be able to physically leave their home.

@@socialmimicry Yes, they fund the support worker and they are funded for whatever music or art programs they want- a much bigger expense than the coffee, and what I was referring to in the first place. I get your argument about bridging the gap (I wrote countless essays advocating for it at unit). However, when NDIS cost more than defence and hospital spending, and the hospital system is a mess, you seriously have to questions the countless amount of support workers being funded to take ppl out for coffee, walks, music lessons, art etc etc. We had one lady who got one million dollars for 12 months funding, yet we had so many other patients that needed the funding more than that particular person. The system is totally rigged and corrupt - you need to be working within the system to see that with your own two eyes and take off the rose coloured glasses.

Not to mention they "they wouldn't be able to physically leave their home" is totally incorrect, why were so many of my NDIS participants able to gap it to go and find drugs and then we would have to call and cancel their support worker for the day!

Most Australians are not raving Skynuts. Sorry but you simply ought to be accustomed to that fact by now. 😊

Our other child is a trans girl / woman. Thank you... 😊🇦🇺🙋‍♀️🏳️‍⚧️

@@alli3219 I believe in a God that does not make mistakes. We don't have to buy into everything we are told. He lives at home with us, and is really happy. We don't interfere in his lifestyle and he accepts that we will not buy into a pronoun agenda. I have been around far too long, lived in far too many different countries, encountered far too many cultures, observed far too many political agendas, seen far too much propaganda and interacted with far too many people to be sucked in by another fashionable claim and phase. The agenda is costing lives, it's truth that sets people free.

I knew people in Australia employed as support workers. They too have told me endless stories of extravagant piranha feasting and everyone feasting on clients funds

yep my partner works in the industry. providers are on the gravy train and genuine ndis clients are getting ripped off and under supported for what they're packages are getting charged.

The average Australian would be shocked at how much gets funded , nothing to do with supports that are needed too.

and what really annoys me are the ones who have the most serious disabilities are the most Conservative of resources. the hypochondriacs and the management is Where the corruption is

My son works in the industry and has never witnessed any corruption. He only tells stories of dedicated workers and professional services.

Well said.

Last paragraph is the guts of it !🎯

Spot on mate all the people here blaming the people on it clearly have no clue how it works. The NDIS plan companies are the ones that need looking at.

Strewth mate, if theyre taking his Pension then whats the NDIS paying for? Sheer Greed!

I dont think they are allowed to touch his Pension mate, you need to contact somebody. My wife worked in a similar group home setting and has some NDIS experience, what you're describing is unethical. His Pension is his and cant be touched by the Provider! Seek advice and Lawyer up if need be!

Cant afford real food or health care or power

Most boomers stole their children's futures and profited accordingly . No sympathy for this demographic .

Errr you do understand that cruises are not funded by NDIS this story is a beat up. A support worker is however funded to support a person with a disability to participate in the holiday. The client pays accomodation. The line items are most likely coming under social which is no big deal.

Or you don't get the pension because you've made responsible fiscal decisions. Paid so much tax and the government steals from you and gives to others who don't work. Amazing.

@@Bella77260 So the support worker gets a free holiday?

Exactly 💯 labor Greens are worse than useless

Yes Labor is bad at wasting our money, but the Libs are too gutless to step in when they have the power to end these programs, because of the bad press.

The waste and incompetence has been happening since the scheme began, whoever has been in government has made no difference.

@@peterfalconer-h3k It is working as Labor designed it.... poorly.... Perhaps Labor shouldn't be in charge of things, I remember when Krudds fat batts scheme got people killed due to its poor design

@@peterfalconer-h3k It was designed by Labor... Just like their fat batts scheme....

and refugee industry which no one ever mentions or they might be called callous or racist! When ever there is free stuff the pigs rush to the trough.

Best comment!! And aboriginal keep wasting the money to booze!! And still do not like to shower!! Or hygiene… after all these yearsssssss

Yes the coalition did an awful job when they managed the implementation during their nearly ten years in government. They left a legacy of incompetence for the ALP to clean up.

@@richx9035 NDIS was a Gillard thought bubble, no detail just a few lines. The LNP had to implement it with no help from the most insipid opposition in our history. After 9 years in opposition and 2 years in government, Labor have still done nothing but talk about it. You would think they had a PLAN but no!

This rot has been going on forever not just when Liberals were in power. Lets see if Jacinta can do anything when Liberals are in power next election.@@richx9035

An audit would just mean more of our taxes waisted for a year or more, a report handover, and politicians "debating" what they can do about the issues, then a few token efforts made. NOPE, just scrap it, and start over with much stricter entry and goals to get people off it once their conditions are managed if possible.

It’s the NDIS “service providers” ripping off the tax payers, not the clients! $150 an hour to mow lawns? $300 an hour to provide interpretive dance lessons to people with Down’s syndrome? Disgusting how people can’t see this and blame the wasted money on the least fortunate people in society.

@@kermitthehermit9588 Who is ripping off the system is not the issue, it's a mix of both some providers and some users, and ranges from some who just take a bit more then they need, too those who are just robbing us all blind because they can. The issue is that the NDIS was never made with adequate gates to stop the wrong people from gaining access as ether a provider or user, and the problem is way to big and growing bigger to start sorting through who is legit, just over stepping the bounds, or out right scamming. It is going to be faster and easier to start over.

You have no idea what your talking about 😂😂 “easy alternative to getting a job” 😂😂 Maybe you should apply it’s clear you have a severe case of stupidity

They aren’t going to review 500k providers

Generally Labour Party voters

That’s not corruption. It most certainly is virtually criminal behaviour by the carer, but it’s not corruption.

@@pwillis1589 using a dependent's money is certainly questionably and theft. If I stole from my employer, I'm sure there'd be police action

Yes the coalition did a terrible job implementing the roll out.

@@richx9035 they did their best with no implementation detail provided by Labor and no assistance from them when Labor masqueraded as the opposition.

@@ShaunHks are you serious? They had nine years to sort it out. There was a great deal of preliminary work done and the Coalition dropped the ball. Don’t blame the ALP for Coalition failures.

What do you advocate eguenics? That's your solution ? You want government making the decisions who's a suitable breeder ? That's one hell of a slippery slope ....

That’s very sad but no child is EVER a drain on anything. Many a child from a disadvantaged background has gone on to change the world and be a significant contributor to society. I’m glad your daughter does not work with them anymore she’s not suited to that kind of work.

@@Bella77260 Many children grow up feeling this way .

Just another welfare scam.

@@Bella77260 Not many in reality. Its very hard to c,limb out of that deep hole.

Yes the coalition did an awful job when they managed the implementation during their nearly ten years in government. They left a legacy of incompetence for the ALP to clean up.

I was in a head on hit and run collisiion that wasnt my fault and they never found the guy who hit me in a light blue 1985 ford falcon. I've got CRPS, POTS, Lupus SLE, C-PTSD, Endometriosis, Asthma, Allergies, Spinal injuries, hip injury, hypermobility, injury to dominant arm because hand was on horn on impact, Autism and ADD... . I was approved and funded for a wheelchair 4 yrs and one month ago, and I still dont have the wheelchair. I have no help. I am mostly house-bound and usually stuck in bed. I escaped a serious domestic abuse situation, I have become very isolated, am supposed to have carers minimum three days a week, have spent most of the last six and a half nearly 7 years chasing NDIS to get them to recognize my conditions, follow up on legitimate complaints, contacting the NDIS Quality and Complaints Commission who are lucky to return a call within 10 MONTHS, winning tribunals against NDIS at the AAT but somehow having less services after winning than beforehand. I am in turmoil, I have not had carers for over a year now, my grandfather died over Christmas and I'm struggling....

The population should be forced to watch YES MINISTER to see how the country is actually run.

Yep its always the significantly highly over paid top bureaucrats who are never held accountable who preside over these messes be it in Education, NDIS, Health, welfare, home affairs, police etc etc etc

Yes the coalition did an awful job when they managed the implementation during their nearly ten years in government. They left a legacy of incompetence for the ALP to clean up.

The NDIS Planners have admitted that they don't oversee what the Support Co-Ordinators , Financial Plan Managers and Support Providers are doing. and hold them accountable for irresponsible, unprofessional, illegal and other frowned upon actions and behaviour. Simple as that. One hand doesn't know what the other one is doing. Lack of cohesive accountability from the top down.

@@igitha..._ the failure was clearly the Coalition government’s. Just like with robodebt they failed badly. The public service need leadership and if the Government fails to provide it the whole thing falls apart. Classic Government failure and it’s the coalition’s responsibility.

Don’t feel bad about being on or using the NDIS most of the people on here whinging have no clue what they’re talking about & if they had a disability & were receiving funding for supports it would be a great scheme. Classic case of if I don’t get it no one should! Attacking the most vulnerable adults & children in our society shows how self centred they are.

@@cranborile Yes, I would much rather be paying twice as much for this rort than what we spend on defence.

I had to get an OT report done for an assistive technology item & the OT got paid over 3k for 1hr face to face & a few pages in a report. The item needed cost much less than 3k… 😂😂😂

As the parent of a intellectually disabled daughter the NDIS works perfectly and provides for all her needs.

I'm an adult and I can agree, I cannot get the help I need, I cannot get the funds for the things I need and I NEVER tell the providers I'm NDIS as they charge way too much for the little I do have. I appreciate the notion, though I VERY much feel used by the politicians as it's a joke.

I agree and every different provider has a service agreement

​@@pwillis1589 its the people helping your daughter ripping off govt with overpriced fees

I know someone who conducts NDIS-funded DJ "courses". It's not just a party they're having -- it's a rave and we're all paying for it.

Unless you really, REALLY need the help, then you CANT get anything..

And don't forget sex workers....

Are you kidding???? I've really REALLY needed the help. Ive got funding, still cant get decent services. @@daralee936

You wanna borrow my disabilities for a month? A week? A day? Come on, trade places I dare you.

Best answer 👏

Wish I could get some small weekend trips.

Your niece is your family’s problem. Stop socialising your burden.

Why should taxpayers fund holidays that they can’t afford themselves???

My mate has a similar patient...over 200k a year...200k a year as a slush fund, gotta love it. Oh...his patient getting another increase next year, love the NDIS lol

@@fronttowardenemy9994 NO. An intellectually disabled adult is a part of society and needs to be supported by the taxpayer either through the disability support pension or even better via funding for subsidised employment, what used to be called "sheltered workshops".

Due to the lack of support I've received through the NDIS and lack of progress Ive been able to make through them after escaping a domestic abuse situation , my family now thinks so little of me that I got uninvited from my brothers wedding this coming weekend, even though I did nothing wrong!!, and had been begging for NDIS to help with career stuff, getting in touch with a publisher, as well as the rest of the outstanding equipment and service providers... they just pulled the reason for funding the chiropractor last week even though its one of the only things I still have left in place, and I had already given good reasons for the chiropractor being in place, because my ribs go out of place since my ex hit me there, and Ive now got burstitis in my hips on top of existing disabilities ..... its been an absolute exercise in futility.

Due to the lack of support I've received through the NDIS and lack of progress Ive been able to make through them after escaping a domestic abuse situation , my family now thinks so little of me that I got uninvited from my brothers wedding this coming weekend, even though I did nothing wrong!!, and had been begging for NDIS to help with career stuff, getting in touch with a publisher, as well as the rest of the outstanding equipment and service providers... they just pulled the reason for funding the chiropractor last week even though its one of the only things I still have left in place, and I had already given good reasons for the chiropractor being in place, because my ribs go out of place since my ex hit me there, and Ive now got burstitis in my hips on top of existing disabilities ..... its been an absolute exercise in futility.

You should take up creative writing this is a great story!

@@cranborile : It's true. You should see my sisters neighbour. Makes my blood boil that they can blatantly rip-off the tax payer and then brag about it on camera and nothing is done when reported with the video.

All I want is wheelchair access to my home. Nada, I don't own the home.

It's the way that they made funding flexible. People interpret that the wrong way meaning that they are free to spend as they like. It would be against legislation and guidelines for her to get a landscaper to make her garden Japanese, and if I were you and I knew the person, I'd report them to the NDIS fraud team. It's people like you, who are aware of these people, and do nothing about it who also make the system worse. Complain, complain, complain but no action.

@socialmimicry : Complaints are ignored at first and then obfuscated. They don't care.

$200k a year as a carer? No way mate come on

Ref: Latest NDIS Support Worker Pay Rates for 2023 - 2024

@lancehobbs8012 has did the smart thing..he got his own ABN and has 3 to 4 clients that are all his...and all that allocation basically goes to him. Anyone working at a provider for 'minimum wage' is doing it wrong

@gribbler1695 yep...exactly. The provider charges $70 hour average..or watever it... then pays the worker 20-25 and pockets rest...OR the worker can be smart..get own ABN and get own clients and take the whole 70 bucks hour.

A former union official who managed to get elected to parliament is hardly the person to do it.

Forget the Opposition, they are hopeless and destined under Dunce Dutton to decades in that role.😊

Biggest grifters are those in Canberra

@@Tyronepeader I have little faith in the opposition, perhaps I'm just reduced to pathetic wishful thinking. Cheers.

Look into the holidays and trips Peta, it’s insane if what is funded.

@@robertfitchett-o6n None of them mate. All waste of time. All corrupted

Someone do a forensic check on Shorten's assets. He implemented a train wreck

Who wants to come to Canberra with me and pay Mr Shortens office a visit???

Or a Lien. @@ZELJKO472

😂

Give that a go, see how many hoops you need to go through and how many out of pocket expenses you cover first - here a hint: thousands of dollars that aren’t reimbursed . Money is paid to service providers so individuals don’t gain anything but support on the scheme. Sure there’s dodgy providers but it’s on a reimbursement basis for individuals with disabilities. It’s not exactly fun

Sadly that's true .

Not true

A person with heart problem, entrenched infected bone from botched dental work, agonising endometriosis requiring expensive drugs, a vascular condition in her arm and regular dislocated shoulder cannot access the system.

@amandastubbs8568 yes true I've witnessed how this is so true...

@@amandastubbs8568 nonsense, it's more true than not. I have first hand experience of this.

Yes one of a favourite politicians answers when questioned about taxpayer perks is (it's within the guidelines)

And dozens of people feeding off those funds- everyone from gardeners, massage therapists, gym instructors, pool cleaners, holiday providers. ....

No, they typically have significant physical disabilities OR have significant behavioural issues. I think more should be done about the ones with behavioural issues who want to punch everyone around them and can't live alone. You can say the ones that are morbidly obese are a problem as they generally need 3 people to hoist them. You can also say the ones who burn through funding in 3 months and ask for a top-up (due to participant risk) are the fraudulent ones as they can easily rack up a package of a million or more across 12 months.

Perhaps, then, taxpayers should be the ones better holding NDIS more accountable for lack of oversight and cohesion instead of leaving the job to the vulnerable disabled clients who are left to try defend and advocate for themselves, already handicapped and trying to hold the corporations doing this to them accountable, so that those service providers and malingerer frauds can be vetted & justice served, quick haste!

I agree, it is out of control. I watch it happen and it burns me especially when it is done by migrants who have come here because they come from stuffed up 3rd world countries, like I do. You cannot find a better country on the planet yet they show no gratitude by ripping off the hard working Aussie. Also they don't really understand and appreciate what a blessing it is to live in a country where a government of a small population has billions to spend on the welfare of its population who have hardship. This is no small feat and because Australians have built a formidable country and economy through blood, sweat and tears. I would love to see these thieves come to the realization that they are not owed but owe Australians a debt of gratitude. In my opinion there is a significant lack of gratitude I feel in this nation by all of its inhabitants that's why there is so much in fighting, people constantly talk Australia up but don't intrinsically believe it or realize at what cost this success and blessing has come. Grateful people are generally generous and not very greedy.

@@MitchellWilmot Yes the coalition did an awful job when they managed the implementation during their nearly ten years in government. They left a legacy of incompetence for the ALP to clean up.

@@richx9035 Neither party are good in my opinion. Since I have been here, 24 years, I have watched both leave messes behind. However as someone with more conservative values, capitalism, peoples individual rights and national pride over globalism, I incline more toward the coalition. Having said this I believe that the issues in Australia is not a party thing but a principle, management, competition and cooperation one. For a country that prides itself on mateship I really haven't seen much, albeit, as a military veteran I know that it was very much a part of the culture historically. The governments here are too busy focusing on defaming the other side and marketing for the next election rather than really working for Australians. They are extremely lucky to have an honest and proud population that produce in this country because the government are not doing much to constantly make Australia a better place. In conclusion a revamp of both parties to align with the principals and foundational ethics, values and missions of these parties and electing leaders who are aligned will make a world of difference going forward.

@@MitchellWilmot agreed - but politics is rarely cooperative. The opposition under Dutton’s leadership are combative and only interested in rubbishing the Government.

@@richx9035 I agree under Dutton they are combative, and to be honest I support that in this instance as I believe that Albo and Wong would sell us out in a day given a chance. Having watched my birth country, South Africa, being destroyed after Madiba and Mkbeki did so much, being destroyed by destructive and unhinged politics and games I sure as hell don't want to see the same for Australia. I assure you that at this point in time Labor is the worst thing for Australia and someone with balls like Dutton is the best as he has national interest in mind first and has no fear of the WEF, WHO and other globalists which are not about our national interest first. Rich, if South Africa, can become the richest country in the world while being sanctioned, Australia has loads more potential and can well surpass what South Africa ever achieved. Setting aside the evil and heinous apartheid, the government of South Africa was focused on the national interest of the country and as such drove the country to enormous heights both socially and economically. Even most blacks were better off than they are today, that includes the standard of education all received. You may disagree with me on the party line, which is a good thing in that various POV's give for better decision making and as such wanted to explain the basis for why I support those I do. The issue I often face here though is that there seems to be a lack of ability to rationally, logically and calmly discuss the merits, exercise understanding of varied perception and most importantly the humility to acknowledge the validity of others POV's.

Albo is stopping overcharging. Ref: Federal government to crack down on 'profiteering' under the NDIS and make overcharging for the same product illegal

@@gribbler1695 I don't believe that will actually happen , probably just plug one hole and open another .

ALL FOREIGN. Look after our elderly Aussies FIRST. 🤬

And the evidence of your claim is?

@@pwillis1589 The post is written by a retired disability worker. The proof is in their work experience. 🧠

@nadenesmith7440 That's not evidence, by its nature its anecdotal and fallacious. I've spent 30 years in the disability sector and witnessed no corruption no incompetence, only professional caring and dedicated workers.

@@pwillis1589 Lol... Who paid you to say that?

It will soon be illegal to overcharge. Ref: Cracking down on unfair NDIS participant pricing

@@gribbler1695 I love the ''soon to be'' comment and pigs might fly. Like expecting action from the ACCC, ASIC and any suggestions to audit any Government supported or funded ''bridging the gap'' bodies.

lol...another commie who think all the poor people pay all the tax lol

Negative gearing tax racket for the well-offs... 😖

I had a friend on my Facebook who milks this program for everything, including her tax payer funded holidays, accommdation is $1600 per night plus all day cruises so she can watch whales, yeah like thats needed, and she books this accommdation at least 4-5 times a year

It's not them spending the money

Wow, my autistic daughter isn't allowed to buy cheap sensory toys etc because the rules were tightened.