I don’t understand why ANY thing was removed before police arrived. Looks like some were trying to cover up mistakes. Common sense, if someone is shot you leave everything exactly as is. Very unprofessional of many, many people.
That scene, im sure was very chaotic. Im willing to bet that Sarah, being as young as she was, probably didn't think anything about it, being in shock.
Armorer Hannah Gutierrez and prop master Sarah Zachary seem to be intertwined with their duties on set. Everyone wants to point the finger at one person but all I see is multiple crew and producers responsible for this shooting.
Chief Armourer. Its her ONLY job on set... and it superceeds props. As long there is a 'POSSIBILITY' of someone holding a firearm it was Hannah's job to ensure safety. That's why the finger is being pointed at the person who was hired to ensure safety.
When I see the credits roll at the end of a movie I usually think "wow looks at all the names of talented people, I wonder what their job is like". Now im just going to remember this testimony and think "i wonder how many of these people are entirely incompetent"
I think the proof of competence is in the daily sheets and safety reports. None of us ever really knows about the “behind the scenes” that goes on in any film set until an accident happens. I hope SAG does more checks into this.
This trial has actually made me wonder who is the armorer they have on set for the Walking Dead. It seems like they are always shooting on that show, and that must be a big job!
Given how our laws are structured, I wonder if this will lead to no one getting convicted as this may present a reasonable doubt in the mind of the jury.
The only person who destroyed evidence. The only person who was alone with the box of bullets in question on Hannah's day off. The only person who seems to have had a personal grudge against Hannah. The person who had a direct relationship with the ammo supplier. And the person with the most discrepancies in the details... hmmmmm.
Whoever hired an inexperienced, immature armorer is to blame. And so is everyone else who saw the way the set treated firearms. It wasn’t a professionally run set. Period.
It was to save monies. Cheap low budget film, and they had people walk off the set due to the lack of security. Says so much. And yet Baldwin, a producer and actor on the set, didn’t take note. Shame on him.
@fuzzymctwitch1906 wtf are you talking about. They're all established, and should know better. They're not inexperienced, except Hannah, whose NOT a diversity hire. Her dad had worked as an armorer and has been established for decades. Sounds more like nepotism, not diversity..
I'm starting to think everyone is putting this on Hannah, so they don't have to take responsibility for their part in things. This woman had access to the cart and then started throwing away evidence!? Something is really fishy here.
They were all negligent. Because it was Hannahs job to make sure things were safe. They were actors, and support workers, not armourers. It wasn't their responsibility, and not a part of their training.
Could be a set up but since they were awestruck with Baldwin an working on the cheap so they weren't gonna scold anyone for not doing their job right. No Accountability this immunity seems strange as well
@gregorylyon1004 Baldwin got thrown under the bus? Are you f*king serious? He had his charges dropped twice. Gtfoh 🤣 he was in charge of everything and he pulled the trigger.
@@gregorylyon1004except Baldwin's Production company and he is head of it. He should have run a tight set with firearms. Top down responsibility. Trust then verify. So yes armorer culpable and Alex.
I've never been advised by a lawyer to testify, it's been my advice from lawyers in multiple cases to not do so even when I thought it would help my case (over 20 years ago ;but the justice system doesn't change)@@456swagger
@@456swaggerApparently, the Supreme Court, all lawyers and all judges are not "reasonable folks." Defendants don't "refuse to testify." They have a right to testify granted them by the 5th Amendment. Prior to that, a defendant was not even allowed to testify on his or her own behalf under the Common Law. If they have chosen to testify, they still have the right to refuse to incriminate themselves at any time, without prejudice or any assumption of guilt. Jurors are most often laypeople, who may need special instruction about the law, so defense council will usually recommend that a defendant simply not testify. All that being said, in this case it sounds like there was enough evidence to convict the defendant without violating her constitutional rights. Having a fair trial helps assure she will not be automatically acquitted on appeal.
@@456swagger Jurors are instructed before a trial that someone exercising their 5th amendment right to not incriminate themselves cannot have that held against them during deliberations and obviously Judges and Lawyers know this already, and its because of the ignorance of the unwashed masses which you have displayed with your comment.
This is the quiet girl in your workplace that plays innocent and is hardly noticeable but all the while is pulling strings to shaft everyone in highly calculated individualized ways.
She wasnt supposed to touch the guns. PERIOD. She also knows thats not her job.... why was she so helpful? Did she cause the other live rounds heard to exist on the set? Is she boinking her boss SK?
@@jeffro4kag206she might have been stashing drugs so as not to look much worse than things where already going . I'm on her side but apparently she partied like any 24 year old .
She's competent for her job, which is prop master. Not armorer. She seems a bit naive and certainly lacks knowledge. But then again, how much knowledge do you expect people to have about jobs, that are simply not theirs?
@prunabluepepper the prop master and armorers roles being seen as interchangeable, is a major problem. On smaller productions, people tend to "wear more hats" but definitely shouldn't when it comes to roles directly involved in danger and safety.
Funny that she recalls that but not wanting to fire Hannah until she was shown evidence that she had said that. Pretending to be friends with Hannah obviously but never told her she was unhappy with Hannah’s work or that Seth wanted Sarah to get Hannah fired as well.
@@EllEss331sorry, but no reasonable person is going to throw anything away *after* something like this happens. If it was pre-shooting, sure. But she threw evidence away *after* they were told to pause, and not touch anything. That's suspicious. Hannah was negligent, yes. But, this woman is just as culpable, in my opinion. Maybe even more, considering what she did, after the fact. They're all trying to throw Hannah under the bus, like they're all innocent. They're not.
She could have been charged. She was only given immunity in exchange for her testimony. I think she should have been charged anyway. Hannah is so very guilty that this woman's testimony is unlikely to be necessary.
I agree. It's very worrying. If she hid evidence intentionally that is. And she's not the only one that did that. Somebody mentioned 1st AD putting something in his pocket during Police film.@@sam.laaaay
She literally threw evidence away in the trash in an attempt to hide what exactly then she gets on the stand and uses some fake baby girl voice to what ?
she's vile. Did you see the amount of times she wanted to growl-literally at the lawyer? Or her dismissive body language? Or when she would nearly answer back sarcastically?!!! wtf!
@@InanaNinsianna the ammo supplier (Kenny) this lady was on the phone with him right after the shooting. Then ammo gets thrown away. Also she NEVER text or called Alec prior to shooting, then they’re talking on the phone? Looks to me they’re getting their story’s to match.
Sarah gave Seth the code for the safe, destroyed evidence, lied on the stand, brought ammunition onto the set from Seth, (1 box) and handled/loaded the weapons herself! Sarah loaded 2 other weapons that day. So she may have loaded the one in question! I thought the armorer was the only one handling and loading the weapons. Hannah was NOT solely responsible for all weapons on set. Sarah should lose her immunity!
At 5:00 wow! Absolutely no skill or experience, and still misunderstanding after a year and a half to backlearn. The blind leading the blind on this set.
@@jeffriley-lq5np Yep, Seth Kinney must have told her to throw them away. He has been casting blame on Hannah from the beginning. She’s guilty, but he’s also doing some CYA.
All of these people are mum. I'm picturing shooting guns after hours and with drugs and alcohol, live rounds aren't secured on set. I bet the Prosecutor was aware and offered immunity to those who were playing with guns and playing after hours. They could tell whatever story that was agreed on..Defense has his hands full trying to present circumstances behind not only the shooting but everything wayout of accepted norm on a set.Prosecutor is a bully trying to cover up the setup.
All of these people should in in jail. The negligence, arrogance and incompetence displayed by the entire production team is nuts. And Baldwin hired them all.
Seriously. They have this chick immunity? I mean, Gutierrez was clearly not qualified. And neither was this chick! Why was one given immunity? I do not like this witness.
The rounds in the gun she loaded and later trashed really didn't matter to the case. Her gun didn't kill anybody. Her testimony against Hannah was very valuable however. And if you listened to her testimony she was utterly clueless about guns.
She is really pally with Seth… and he supplied the ammunition & guns… she should not have immunity… definitely not… and she hated Hannah… I think Sarah & Seth are responsible for… to try and set up Hannah… As she hates her…I don’t think they meant for anyone to get killed… But I think they did this
This prop woman has a conveniently poor memory of everything. I think the bullets she tossed contained live rounds and she wanted no proof of that. And what's with this no-prosecution deal she got for her testimony? I don't trust a word she says, regardless how meek she may appear. 👎
Sarah made herself an excellent deal with Prosecution. She unloaded two guns and threw the rounds in trash and worked a Armor Assistant for which she definitely not qualified (knowledge of firearms is basically zero). She actually deserves some jail time. I did not understand if the discarded rounds were recovered.
Yeah , apparently they weren’t recovered, but did CSI not collect the trash? That’s where they found the evidence on Brian kohberger, so that doesn’t make sense. If someone from csi bullets in the trash in this situation, they are going to know something’s up. So did she really put in the trash or her pocket? Just another thing in this girls testimony that is fishy. Grrr.
They're all happy to throw Hannah under the bus, WHY would you ask for immunity if you think maybe a small,large amount of guilt on your part ??? This woman has selected memory
Absolutely wild. I was under the impression that an armourer or their assistant would need some sort of license or certification. Not just a week of occasional conversation with an individual that might know more about weapons. Everyone involved is at fault here.
Sadly it seems not. Sarah was under Seth’s license or registration because she was employed for a minimum of 1 hour per month by him. They really should tighten up regulations
All those witnesses who are 2-3 times older than her, and are now snitching on her should be held accountable for not reporting what they say was unusual while the movie was being made. Some probably made 10 times more money than HG did, they knew some things were not done right, but not one intervened? If HG is liable, everyone above her should be!
She doesn’t deserve immunity if prop masters are in charge of armorers. She’s just as guilty as majority of the production team for lack of understanding. No accountability at all.
The propmaster is in charge of the armorer, but how cheap the production was, she also served as hannah’s armorers assistant. So she was both Hannah’s boss while also being Hannah’s subordinate. Made no sense.
Until we know exactly HOW live rounds got onto the set, and HOW they got into the Baldwin gun - we cannot know who is liable. I haven't seen all the trial vid, but I don't believe that either question is answered.
I can’t believe she is given total immunity when she tampered with evidence, called the procurer of the bullets etc. The American justice system baffles me.
@@beeeazy9818 She's cute? lol She's kind of creepy in a way.. Sort of seems like the type to murder her husband or drown her kids in the bathtub. She's seems like a manipulative narcissist
Well first thing you need to understand is she was given immunity BECAUSE she tampered with evidence. That's what the immunity was for. If she hadn't done that, she wouldn't have been offered immunity.
Why in the world would they give this woman immunity?! Did the prosecution think everyone was at fault, but that's too many to prosecute, so did they just pick one, Hanah, and turn all the others against her?!?
Because her testimony was important to the case. Because she didn't have anything to do with the gun that shot Halyana. Use your head. Because Hannah was the one responsible.
Scapegoating is most certainly a thing in these cases where multiple things went wrong. I’d imagine it to be even more so in the Hollywood world of relationships that have a lot riding on them.
100% agree. one of the jurors was asked about it and they said "well someone died" as though that automatically means one person needs to take responsibility, even though we know there were multiple, layered safety issues with the film in general, aside from Hannah's irresponsible actions.
She may be the only one where there is enough evidence to convict. Immunizing Zachary seems a very poor decision. Halls seems about equally liable as Gutierrez - but he got off with a wrist-slap.
She invoked her fifth amendment right to STFU, and sought counsel. The cops had nothing concrete, so gave her immunity. I think she’s about as shady as it gets, but she is living proof that staying silent is exactly what you should do in a situation like this.
Can’t imagine giving this young woman immunity! Poor decision, her lack of recall and understanding is suggestive of lack of cooperation, hiding info! What doesn’t know the meaning of that universal emoji?!! SHE LOOKS GUILTY OF SOMETHING!!!
Her attorney told her how to answer because if she lies then she will lose her immunity. He’s in the court room too. There’s more to this than we even realize.
Those casings she threw away should have been located by crime scene investigators. They should hqve been going through the trash. And no trash should hqve been allowed to leave the property in a proper evidence collecting.
They all sound like they’re entitled, lying a-holes, worried more about themselves than their incompetence and negligence that caused this woman’s death.
Do you think that you would act differently if you were in their place. Of course, they care about potentially being prosecuted and going to jail. Nobody wants to be put i jail.
Yes, I would act differently because a life was lost. Its more important to get to the truth as to how that happened, than to cover ones as*. If you make a mistake, the right thing to do is to admit it as soon as possible, and accept the consequences. In the long run, that will save you more pain, actually. @@CrystaliaV
@johnbachinski4711 lots of disgruntled, overworked people that could possibly exploit disorganization and substandard safety to their advantage. Don't want to get into "murder mystery of the week" territory but a few people wanted that production shut down.
She's working as a props assistant on a set with an armourer. There is basically no reason she would ever need to know this. Especially if she's followed her lawyers advice to not read things about the shooting.
@@Juttutin yes she should know that, she was still loading and unloading firearms so she needed the basic knowledge of how they function. Understanding the difference between single and double action is basic stuff. No excuse for not knowing.
No, the prop master is employed to manage non-firearm props. Rust didn't allocate enough budget for enough days for an armorer's assistant, so the prop master was told to help the armorer. That's why she was helping.
I’m not a fan of defendant but the more witnesses the DA puts on the worst case gets for them. This woman and the guy from yesterday should be getting jail time.
What crime? Lying? It's not a crime unless under oath, or tampering with evidence. It's not evel clear she tampered w/ the Relevant Evidence. The only ones that count were the ones loaded onto the gun Even if these 2 unlikeables had brough in hindfrd of love rpund, it was Hannas job to make sure those never got into a gun!!!
@@Alvan81 she did lie under oath, and only when she was confronted with what she actually said did she tell the truth. She herself had an ND with the gun. She wanted the armor fired because she wasn’t helping her with props. She threw away evidence in a crime scene. She testified under oath that she knew the difference between a single action and a double action then when asked what are the difference could not state them. That’s a lie.
Looking forward to her having to testify in Alec’s trial that she was texting Seth Kenny shady comments about her conversations with Alec. She comes across as someone who is fake and instinct is to lie when confronted.
Yup. She did it AFTER the shooting. WHEN THE POLICE SHOWED UP. She was afraid that she did something wrong. Clearly trying and failing miserably trying to cover her mistakes and destroy evidence
She knows nothing about small arms. She threw the rounds that she loaded even though there was no reason at all to do so. She should have been charged with obstruction.
Sarah texted Kenny the code to the safe before police went back to search the prop truck again, she and Kenny wanted Hannah fired....it's clear as day how that live ammo got on set. Kenny and Sarah should be charged as well
I still think Baldwin hired the people that would accept the lowest pay for the work . He would have known that doing that means the people are either a problem like at least formerly a drunk or they have little to know history of doing the work . That is clearly why the young woman was hired. She should have at best been someone that helps a real armorer . She would have done well to work with her Father for a few years and learn from him all the things that the person is supposed to know and be doing
Oops she should have stuck to her story of not knowing how a single-action revolver works, because she still doesn't know. 4:50. She was Hannah's boss, the company she worked for supplied the rounds and then she threw rounds that she had loaded into the trash after the shooting, how did this lady get immunity?
I get this feeling that this lady is a total liar and good at acting sweet and innocent. She didn't like Hannah and she could easily have sabotaged the guns because she had the same access. Knowing that Hannah was somewhat careless made this even easier. She knew Hannah probably wouldn't check the guns after lunch. She could have slipped the live rounds in out of revenge for the disagreement she and Hannah had previously, and she looks like a psycho who might do something like that. She even disposed of evidence before it could be inspected and didn't admit it until she was asked about it. She made it a point to let them know her fingerprints would be on the rounds because she "took them out and shook them in panic" after the incident. I can't believe they gave her immunity to testify. She is definitely at the very least liable as a supervisor; at most, she planted the live rounds on purpose. DA and law enforcement really screwed up on this call.
