‘Ukraine should surrender’ | British peace protesters on the Ukraine war 

This might be news, but it certainly isn't analysis. Giving an unchallenged platform to a group of self-satisfied dimwits is not in the tradition of The Times newspaper. Would someone from Times Radio like to take this opportunity to explain the thinking behind this RU-vid post?

Many would have done so.

There are no parallels whatsoever with the current situation.

Dale the Russian mole is here. How surprising!

1939 - by 1945 it was already too late.

@@seanpatrick1243 I am not a Russian, and you are a fool.

"We will absolutely not stop the removal of Saddam and the Ba'ath party"

“We will absolutely not leave Afghanistan till the Taliban are defeated”

@@generalstack6540 That's the US. Also different presidents brings different goals.

How about going in Ukraine and died for them.. or will you only send weapons and let them die?

@@oskarknutsson479 you don’t think in 4 years and trillions more Americans won’t change their mind ?

watch "West killed peace proposal to end Ukraine war, Russia supported negotiated settlement2 on youtube.

Explain the silence on other wars then.

Agreed .. we in the West should question what our governments are doing. People in Russia should question what their goverments are doing too, but we cannot because we do not live there. WE CAN HOWEVER TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE TRUTH ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON AND QUESTION OUR OWN GOVERNMENTS HERE IN THE WEST... and that I suggest to you is the only thing we can do and we should do it

@@robsurname4054 I'm curious... Have you ever been to Ukraine?

@@TheCriticalSigma That is personal information, sorry. I'm wondering why you are asking that question because it is irrelevant to our conversation. Our chat started with you expressing a truth which I agree with. You said that to triumph over evil good men must do something about it. I then demonstrated that I believed that the truth you said should be universally applied because, otherwise, it is not a truth, it is propoganda. It applies to Russia, it applies to the USA, the West and Ukraine equally. I am not personally doing much but I have educated myself about what is going on and argue here and elsewhere that Peace Talks are needed to save lives. Since I began arguing this stance about 300,000 further young men have died because some people will not support Peace Talks. They prefer to do nothing and watch as hundreds of thousands of innocent young soldiers die. These soldiers are too young to have shaped the World and are not responsible for the failings of the evil armchair heroes who sit comfortable and safe at home egging them on to the meat grinder. Do you agree thus far ?

Except these people aren't pacifists. They are reality denying idiots. Being a pacifist, meaning to avoid violence when possible is a good way to live. But surrender is not peace, not all violence IS avoidable and there is a difference between pacifism and cowardice. I say again. Being a pacifist is not a "privilege", that is nonsense. But these people are not pacifists. They are idiots.

Yes, in the same way a majority of Turks in Germany voted for Erdogan.

People died for their freedom

It’s also the decision the Donbass had to make in 2014

Please, don't confuse ignorant and supporters of genocide with pacifism.

Yes, but also manipulated by Russian agents.

We should never of backed the coup against the ELECTED government of Ukraine 9 years ago that started this nightmare off. This is not our war. 14,000 dead BEFORE the invasion. The NeoCons destroyed Iraq Syria Libya Afghanistan and will end up destroying Ukraine.

Can respect their idealism, though. A mature conscience requires considering a variety of perspectives.

Naive is a very polite way to describe someone as braindead as these people

@@timgerk3262 Keep an open mind, but not so open that your brain falls out! Thanks.

the all to apparent slowness of their thought processes is laughable

Yeah, how dare they question your globalist banker's war

So why you didnt object to UK government opening the gate to russian curropt mafia billionares? this is a war of errosion... ultimately destroying ukrain , weakenig russia and making brits poorer. you wont gain anything else

You should be embarrassed at the fact that you can't even think for yourself🤡🤡

Nah, or maybe we can just do nothing. Yeah, that sounds pretty good.

Half of those there are hired rent-a-mob and the other half are.. well... not the sharpest knives in the box.

These people are irrelevant every village has its idiots .

There is about a third of the population in the west that are far left and far right who have a reflexive “West bad” mentality in word or deed. Ignore the horseshoe. The vast majority of elected officials, the public, and indeed the world, support Ukraine.

These are a small percentage of the population. Europe stands behind you! Slava Ukraina!

It's a very small number of people that hold this view. Interestingly, from the extreme left (as in this clip) and the extreme right of politics. In the UK we stand behind the people of Ukraine.

No it's to negotiate, remain neutral and stop attacking ethnic Russians in the Donbass. Quite simple really.

@@QwadLuzr you’ve clearly swallowed the ruSSian propaganda handbook or are part of the establishment who propagate it… no one will negotiate with an country who are in the process of committing war crimes like genocide on your population. 🔚

The people interviewed here are talking incredible nonsense.

Those are not fully functioning individuals, they have learning disabilities.

@@QwadLuzr that would ensure Ukraine's destruction. Quite simple really.

You would think so wouldn't you.

The crazy old man is stuck in his warped political ideology

And they probably have the very best of intentions.

Yeah.. that's sad indeed

It's the old people who voted for Brexit.

It's like they totally want to ignore that Russia invaded a sovereign country.

@@wkdlama It is like you totally want to ignore all what happened before 24.02.2022..

@@ludimilojko546 enlighten me I genuinely want to know the justification to annex/invade a sovereign state before 24.02.2022

@@ludimilojko546 there is absolutely no excuse fow what Russia has chosen to do, nor for occupying the Crimea and Donbas prior. When are you going to join the mobiks comrade?

@@wkdlama You people use this totally meaningless term ´sovereign state / country´ like its some kind of magic fairy dust you sprinkle about to make things sounds more important than it really is. e.g. you don't have to clarify that a country is sovereign if it's obvious that it is.

That goes double for those who promote war. Those who do so aren't going to be drafted. A lot of emotional women and old people. The only benefactors are the arms industries.

At the time Chamberlain was waving that piece of paper, many in Britain were overjoyed, and were calling for peace at any cost. They were wrong then, they're wrong now.

At least Chamberlain's frame of reference in 1938 was WW1 and not Blitzkreig London Blitz, Auschwitz, etc The same treaty that created the Sudatinland crisis also created borders in the Middle East that still haunt the world so although the Munich Pact was not the best solution, there was probably a good argument for something in between status quo and WW2 starting in 1938. . Now we have the frame of reference of WW2 the brutality done to Eastern Europe by USSR from 1945-1991 and to Ukraine since Feb 2022 and greater awareness of the genocide by Stalin to Ukraine, which paused because of WW2

Some of them look like they were around in Chamberlain's day.

Peace in our time worked so well to save Czechoslovakia - these fools fail to see the parallels

@@boota1979 What are you even trying to say? I assume it sounded clever in your head. But nowhere else.

You are clueless 🙄

@@Realist369 No. Those people are if they think Putin would see a truce as anything other than a chance to regroup for another go at a later date.

@@runtsgal putin never wanted this war,he demanded the Minsk treaty be adhered to every year since 2015. Dec 2021 he said it again ,but Ukraine continued shelling the Donbass ,they killed 14,000 in 8 years ,banned anyone speaking Russian ,stopped paying pensions and other state payments to the Donbass . Putin doesn’t even want ukraine and he doesn’t have the army to take Ukraine tbh. Name me putins stated goals of this military action.

Well, as an American, I can 100% guarantee you that your country has no monopoly on idiocy.

@@Realist369 oh! You’re a z comedian. Well that explains it. Keep taking that copium.

No it is important we give them air time. If not are we any better than the forces we oppose?

UK will always back UKraine, these morons are a very small unemployed minority. 👍👍

You're more than welcome. It's the least you deserve and ignore the idiots in the video.

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YEAH NOT ALL OF US ARE LIKE WHITE HAIRED FOOL@

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I am an Australian that lives in Ukraine. I cried the first time in many many years when war started and everything was destroyed. I saw for the first time , new roads under president Zelenskyy , Ukraine was finally moving forwards then these mobster Russians came in and wrecked everything. Like a girl finding love again and a jealous ex throwing acid on her . No, Ukraine must fight . And if people want to help us bury these monsters , please help.

well said, but i'd also add that we can't upset Putin because he has ICBM's {that likely haven't been serviced since 1994}

@@buddyrojek9417 thats about how i see it Putin couldn't have the standard of living to be better in Ukraine because his people might start questioning why they cant have the same

I don't believe they use social media. The woman seems to only get her news from the BBC.

Those are not functioning adults Its a bus trip for special needs

After kicking in their door they would probably ask you if you'd like to sit down and have a cup of tea.

Well, if I bombed my neighbor for several years, I'd imagined I would have it coming!

There's a huge difference between a armed intruder kicking down your door and a military that doesn't need funding just to fight back If we're using your example, the intruder will be basically wearing full S.W.A.T gear with a riot shield, a AUG rifle and a pistol while you have only the clothes on your back holding a six shooter How can you fight back against that?

But if ukraine surrenders there families wilk be safe correct?

please believe me these cranks are a tiny tiny minority view , 99.9 % of brits support ukraine

These freaks are not part of us! We are Ukranians now, as well as Brits!

Can we calm down with the 'you Brits' FFS, talk about a sweeping generalisation. This is a minority of D**kheads! I think you'll find most Brits are fully behind Ukraine, have led the race to arm Ukraine, have donated millions in finance and are all in. Sort your head out!

We wouldn't, we didn't, and these nutters don't represent us as a whole

LOL you really believe this is the same situation? The ignorance of the war pigs on this page is utterly stunning.

Agreed.

Well said 👏

There is absolutely nothing mentally wrong with them. They want to sacrifice the freedom, the livelihoods and maybe even the lives of hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians for their own comfort. It is a very logical and rational, but selfish and detestable, line of thinking.

A lot.

No demonstrates not everyone supports ukraine ! It’s facts ! Mostly the most uneducated in society jump on the government bandwagon

@@jd3973 Yea, how else do you explain Brexit.

Ignorant is a very polite way to describe someone as braindead as these people

We knew that already.

Exactly Noah some wars just sadly have to be fought this is one of them and all there arguments against it are deluded of any reality or fact driven by ridiculous political dogma.

This has to be the most laughable comment among a whole page of clowns. Well done, great work!

Sometimes the only way to be anti-war is to win. A pacifist unable to defend their beliefs is just defenseless.

@@QwadLuzr In opposition to literally everything what you said comrade?

​@@QwadLuzr War isn't funny. The sooner the orcs lose, the better.

he does, hes spent billions since 1999 on RT & Sputnik to spread this propaganda

All bullies love this take. They always look for an easy target that won’t fight back.

They Putin's "Useful Idiots"

He's gonna finance their social benefit😂

Stalin called them "useful idiots!"

Really after you did in IRAQ

Not our view in the UK 🇺🇦🇬🇧

@@kamranraja9197 . It is more then possible to support the invasion in Iraq and not the invasion of Russia in Ukraine. I happen to disagree with both, however both conflicts where different enough that whataboutism does not work.

They speak for me and many people I know. If the west wasn’t so involved in the 2014 coup, maybe we wouldn’t be in this situation now

@@jackmatthews9673 That's true enough but the Russian response to words and gestures has been to attack a sovereign nation and literally destroy cities and their people. Surely you can see we can't just stand back and do nothing?

They don’t care about what the Ukrainian people wants. They just care about themselves. Or even care more about what Russia wants.

Absolutely. So many opposers of Ukranians defending themselves talk as if Ukraine didn't exist.. as if this war was happening on some deserted island between Russia and the USA and Ukrainians aren't even what it's all about... which is THEIR survival as a people being invaded by a neighboring dictator.

they are all boomer tankies

And Self-preservation

And why is it lost on them? They lack it for themselves.

they drank too much tea

They are utterly sane.

They are correct by sending arms to Ukraine all your doing is delaying the inevitable

Bizarre views by a tiny minority.

Just normal expressing their views....

Yes, I'm sure they'd be delighted to show them the front lines!

Better than that, send them to Russia.

Yes you're right. I'm sure if they went to Donetsk and Luhansk they would get an excellent reception from most of the residents.

​@@kenw1295 I'm sure they won't be so popular with the tens of thousands displaced by the war started by your beloved dictator in 2014. And lots of peope there would welcome Ukraine's army as liberators... Unlike what happened with Kremlin's dictator invading army.

​@@bobschneider3228 They won't even wo the russian embassy to protest the war!!!!

"I'll let you r*p* the missus and take one-third of my life savings as long as you put that gun away and promise to leave the house."

OR: "Better red than dead"

​@MSSLatvia good one that, it's a saying I have not heard in a long time ! Roy b, Cape Town, south africa.

That is how most of these peace movements started: they were originally funded by the Soviet Union to create discord among people in the west.

Where is my eggs? Yes truthfully we could all be fighting in this War. Only Ukraine are fighting like heroes.

Funny that - Imean why they dont fly to Moscow and ask them to get rid of nukes or stop the war ?!

Wouldn't say they're fascists, although their beliefs certainly benefit fascism. They're just unable to comprehend someone other than the UK or the US being at fault here. Totally stuck in the "we are the baddies" frame of mind.

Why? They're not Russians. Russia doesn't answer to them.

Anyone who promotes war with a nuclear power should be charged with high treason

@@silverletter4551 anyone who sits back and thinks the best solution is to do nothing while an entire country is violated of its right to exist independently is a complete idiot. Sitting back and doing f**k all didn't work in WW2 did it? Maybe you should go live in Russia then maybe you will realise what these Ukrainian folks are fighting for. You can't put a price on freedom.

Brits already have surrendered just look at London it’s hardly British is it?

like those who went to Iraq and were held as human shields ?

Send them to Bucha to dig graves

We (the west) won't allow them. "We're" gonna fight till the last Ukrainian. Because we are the good guys.

They should protest in the Red Square. I'm sure Vlad would listen to them, and offer them a tea, by the window.

Kyoshi would be proud

According with your corrupt media and in your delusional mind?🤔

That’s the decision the Donbass had to make in 2014 when Ukraine started bombing them

@@Realist369 By them you mean Russian military? Donbas is Ukraine and people from there are fighting back foreign invasion. You repeat transparent Russian lies now.

@@TheRezro are you telling me you don’t know the Ukrainian army have been shelling the Donbass for 8 years?

@@TheRezro having read some of your other comments,I’ll tell you straight up,you know literally nothing about this subject.

I bet you complied with lockdowns like a good little boy.

Yep! They are the people Lenin called "useful fools".

@@wildmouse5888 Useful idiots. Is the term.

@@QwadLuzr COVID restrictions have nothing to do with the criminal war Russia has started and is going to lose.

USA is the Tiger .. the biggest Tiger on the planet .. and it supported attacks by one of it's followers (Kiev) on Russian Orthodox Christians 2014-2021 in the East of the country. After giving peace a chance for 8 years, Russia decided to take on the Tiger and feels that it must win in order to survive. Bad news for the Tiger because after loosing 27 million during WW2 to Nazis from Western Europe, Russia is not going to allow a second group of Nazis in Ukraine do the same thing again

They SHOULD be given the OPPORTUNITY, fly them to Moscow and let them PROTEST against Putin's War there!

@@khiem1939 I did think that

@@khiem1939 These people rightfully don't care about the war or who wins. They just don't want the corruption of another banker's war

Which is worse, living under an oppressive government; or going through the horrors of war to hopefully have subsequent years of peace and prosperity?

There are things which cannot be solve with a saber, but there are also things which cannot be solve without it - old Polish saying

not russel brand then?

Exactly clever words from BR.

That's why Russia decided to invade Ukraine - it could not allow Kiev to go on killing people in the East of Ukraine who happened to be Russian Speaking and Russian Orthodox during the period 2014-2021. Those people have family and business ties with Russia also. Russia may have read bertrand Russells book themselves

All voluntary army in Ukraine 😆 Your NGO propaganda 🤡 Nothing on the round up of men by the Ukrainian security police! The first thing Zelenskiy did was to outlaw men of fighting age leaving the country!

What do you mean "volunteer army"? America and its NATO allies have spent untold billions on creating a highly professional, well-armed fighting force in Ukraine.

Ukraine has a (or had) a large, well-trained and well-equipped army, paid for by the USA and NATO.

​@@dalecrocker3213 5% of a yearly-nato budget in surplus hardware from the 80s and 90s and the orks are stuck 9 monthd in Bakhmut

@@dalecrocker3213 USA is in NATO so just say NATO

I am an Australian that lives in Ukraine and I must say the Ukrainian people are good modern freedom loving people who just want a better life and the right to live in the modern world . These gullible Brits have no idea and get their information from Russian propaganda. People in Ukraine don’t want to live in Russia. They want the right to choose their President. The people in the east can not be abandoned to Russian control

But a US arms manufacturer is sleeping on a pile of money. So at least there's some good out of it.

​@@QwadLuzrcreates jobs, but every dollar spent that's used to pop an Orc is worth it. Spend it all, IDC. Russia must be defeated at any cost.

@@QwadLuzr you don't count Ukrainian families' survival as a good? What kind of monster are you?

@@QwadLuzr yes by selling pump action rifles to ex students who then go and blast around in schools....great country!

They wan't the war over so they can talk about dog shows and drink tea in peace. they don't understand people are fighting for the right to exist

Cowards

I think You are speaking loud , they just care about they own country like everybody should and use money for they own childrens what's the problem with that? You want a third world war for that piece of land ? Not me

watch "West killed peace proposal to end Ukraine war, Russia supported negotiated settlement2 on youtube.

Why?

There always is, was young people with the same crazy ideas. Roy b, Cape Town, south africa

@@roybean7166 of course, there are youngsters with no or lack wisdom and logic. Fortunately, they still have time to think and learn.

@James Dawson, speak for yourself James.

@@boota1979 No, I'm not having this exploited to make it look like britain's support is weak. I support ukraine, literally everyone I know or have spoken to supports ukraine. And going by the flags, posters and the bridge lit up in ukrainian colours outside of my freaking window, most of the people I haven't spoken to support ukraine as well

In a way though.... to allow these idiots to show their views proves that we do have some sort of democracy in the west. No-one can deny that such views against the state in which they live would not go down well in Russia. Holding up a blank piece of paper now will get you arrested in Moscow. It proves we have the moral high ground. Maybe we could exchange them for Russian opposition prisoners, then everyone`s a winner !

Very few in the UK don’t support Ukraine fully and many think we’ve don’t too little too late, if the level of sanctions in 2022 had happened in 2014 Putin wouldn’t have invaded in 2022

@@boota1979 he's speaking for me and a lot of other people, so that shuts you down 👍

These people make me sick in this video.

There is only one way. Out in fighting and we in the west support you with what is possible and as long as it takes. Slava Ukraini 💪

It wouldn't be loss only for Ukrainians, it would be loss for everyone. Because if Russia wins at something at all, all dictators in the world will be encouraged to take whatever they want.

Ukrainians lose both ways … Ukraine probably won’t get Donbask or Crimea … Russia doesn’t want the whole country. they want Ukrainian demilitarization…

watch "West killed peace proposal to end Ukraine war, Russia supported negotiated settlement2 on youtube.

Yes, they will negotiate with you. Lol

Ukraine has been a province of Russia for over 250 years, so your foolish analogy does not really apply.

@@dalecrocker3213 Your foolish understanding of history does not apply

@@andrews.1700 Why not? Is this historical fact irrelevant?

@@dalecrocker3213 last time I looked it was a sovereign nation with an elected government, elected by the people, your foolish selection of a historical fact makes you look a bit trollish 🤣🤣🤣

The first ideal is that you protect your family - but our rulers have presided over the destruction of the family as an ideal on so many fronts it's no wonder so many rootless, purposeless hedonists have lost all idea of fighting for right and resisting evil.

It's not surrender. It's to become neutral instead of supporting the west. Only losers here are the common people who have nothing to do with this war.

Thanks as these people are clueless. Its really sad. Ukraine should surrender half their Country according to these idiots. Its shameful. Please egg these people

We??? Two person is fighting and you are encouraging them to fight. Why not you volunteer your family to the frontline?

Get on the frontline you tiger Eric, take all your adult family and friends. It will be great and fly the British flag … come on

If they picked the most intelligent to interview in the group of protesters then they failed miserably 😩

One would think!!!

We do , but there are gullible fantasists everywhere

@@babyfacemichael1 indeed…

Don't worry they do, these clowns are a very, very small minority of the British population.

Some of these people may LOOK like they were around in the WW2 era, when in fact they weren't and have never seen danger in any way.

All the means would mean also a lot more manpower - the Ukranians are outnumbered - weapons alone won't help them, if they haven't got trained people to use them :( Russia are probably waiting for the terrain to be drier to carry out more extensive attacks and, given the reaction of Europe and the US, Putin now sees us all as bitter enemies - he's not likely to act rationally.

They are just a bunch of loud mouthed, ignorant cowards who only care about themselves and take everything but never expect to give anything in return. They happily live with all the freedoms and lifestyle which costs the lives of thousands who were brave enough to fight and give their lives if necessary for their children and grandchildren future, but would run and hide if the same were asjed of them. They don't even have any respect or gratitude either. What a load of self-entitled, self-centred ignorant, spoilt and useless brats tye majority of this generation are.

@@Luceforall All of those among us having half a brain, or more, *are* bitter enemies of Putin and his 1970s KGB dinosaur world-view.

My apologies for these people they do not represent the opinions of the majority of British citizens.

Isn't it marvellous that these people are able to speak put against the policy of their government without having a visit from some thought police the next night!

As you can see, there are maybe a couple dozen. Don't worry about tbe m0r0ns in the UK and Canada. Theybare our minorities lol.

I love the Ukrainian humour!

Send them to the frontlines instead and maybe they get the chance to "talk" with the Russian soldiers.