wolves were once common across mostly all of Oregon, I think next step should be re introducing them to places like Forest Park in Portland that was once their habitat and we need to restore that habitat to its natural state.
You almost had a good idea before resorting to extremism. There are plenty of sparsely populated areas in western Oregon that wolves can probably be moved to.
Eventually they'll be dealing with these wolves in their backyards. We'll hear stories of smart compassionate people trying to pet them because they think they're just dogs.
He is correct to be worried. Wolves are dangerous. He can be reimbursed financially for the damage caused by wolves. That money comes from the tax payers. The VAST MAJORITY of taxes and revenue generated in Oregon comes from Portland and the rest of Eastern Oregon. Nobody says he has to sell his beef to Portland. He could just sell to his neighbors. See how quickly he goes broke. Isn't that right genius???
@@rockstarofredondo that's truth. Portland folks don't even want to pay for food. They just can't understand why businesses are leaving. It's going to end up like south central LA with the same result. Help us we have been wronged by the world and those horrible police are picking on us! Racism,Racism, it's because we are black and LGBTQI 123 ABC BLAH BLAH BLAH.
Why is it so sad? Sure he lost a dog, it happens. Should we outlaw all cars, they kill more dogs. This whole series seams to be a lot of wining about nothing. If you don't like the state and it's politics move elsewhere, I did. Not sorry Oregon want let you kill all the other wildlife that interfere with your livelihood. That's the reason I move here.
I'm pretty torn on this. I love conserving wild animal species, and hate how many species have gone extinct due to humans, but its obviously a problem having wolves so close to the ever expanding human population.
It’s not just about the wolves. That’s just one issue. It’s about the differences between the Portland metro area and the rest of the state. Our elected officials may make great Portland mayors but they are not recognizing the issue that are important to all of Oregon. As for the wolves I’m an avid outdoorsman and native Eastern Oregonian I’m not sure how I feel about the wolves. I was seen them, more then once and it’s awesome hearing them while camping out in the wilderness. However they do need managed and management decisions should not be made by folk that will never have any knowledge or interaction with them.
There are other options than separating Oregon. Give the entire state proper representation. Do not allow western oregon to decide for eastern Oregon. This is a question of representative democracy & an illustration of what starts to go wrong when the people are not being served by those who would call themselves public servants 😔
I've lived in a small town outside Seattle for 68 years now. The changes that have taken place over the past years are shocking. We typically have a shooting death on Pacific Hwy once a week. Next fall we will be selling our home and moving to Eastern Washington. My wife and I don't care to live in a cess pool any more.
Have noticed drastic changes in just the last 5 years living in Seattle! Visited in 2008 and so much has changed, sadly much for the worse when it comes to politics, rights and conservative to classical liberal values.
@@save2a4all It's too easy to just blame politics. The Democrats certainly aren't fixing anything. One would think it would be easy for a Republican to take over. The reality is Republicans don't want anything to do with trying to fix cities. There may be individual Republicans who want to try; but they won't get any support or money from the Republican party.
He needs to get two or three donkeys. I’ve seen other sites where farmers have gotten them and it has worked well. Donkeys can be mean and they’ll give those wolves a thrashing.
I live in Washington state and for years opposed releasing grizzly bears in the state. It is a long standing conflict between urban dwellers who support grizzly bear release and Eastern Washington residents who live where the grizzly bears would be active. Then I completely reversed my opinion. I am now totally in favor of grizzly bear releases with one caveat; each community, statewide, votes for or against grizzly bear release with the understanding that the bears will be released in the communities that voted for them. Obviously, the idea is impractical and won't happen but it does point to the crux of the problem. Why should someone living in Seattle get to tell someone living and ranching in Tonasket that they have to put up with grizzly bear predations and, even worse, the potential threats to their family's safety? For the urbanite in their nice safe SUV on a road trip through Eastern Washington, it is a big thrill to see a grizzly bear meandering toward the cattle that represents the livelihood of those who live there. We have to either get better at fair governance in America or face the consequences of the slow burn continuing to develop between city and rural citizens.
You're another rural idiot who just wants to bitch about urban and suburban areas. Your dumb "caveat" is stupid because there hasn't been a "vote" in any community on grizzly bear release. You're another rural idiot who just wants to bitch about urban and suburban areas. Meanwhile your candy ass wants to drive your nice safe SUV on a nice paved road and enjoy all the tax payer provided infrastructure in your area that is totally subsidized by the taxpayers in the Seattle metro area. Like it or not little fella, the economy and taxes generated in urban Washington subsidize the rest of the State. Maybe they can ship some of the homeless to you so you can deal with them. You should be happy you can live in a nice quiet part of Washington. Why should some urbanite have to deal with factories, pollution, crime, traffic, higher taxes just so the State of Washington can take a piece to provide for infrastructure for you. You let us all know when bears deaths reach the levels of deaths in urban areas caused by crime, accidents, etc. People in Seattle deal with that everyday as best they can. They have to because that's where the jobs are. Quit your bitchin. Your slow burn is nothing compared to the burn folks in Seattle experience every day.
They were here first. Where should grizzly bears live? Because there are humans everywhere so unless they are near people there is no place for them to go. But I'm guessing you think their lives don't matter.
@@jakee4153 The question I'm trying to address is not where grizzly bears and wolves fit into our complex world, but how we, as a society, try to solve these difficult and polarizing problems. For the majority of voters to force their will on everyone else without regarding the consequences suffered by the minorities is not a real solution, at all. I'm 74 years old and remember the civil rights struggles of the 1950s and 1960s as our country struggled and fought to not let the majority rule and bully minorities. Sadly, I'm seeing our country divided as never before in my lifetime, and I don't hear many voices of reason and respect trying to hold to that high principle. I see a new majority reverting to old, ineffective and dangerous abuses of power that will not lead to prosperity and peace.
@barbara karnowski People are killed by other people more than they're killed by grizzly bears or any other type of wild animal, for that matter. Humans are far more dangerous than grizzly bears, and a grizzly bear isn't capable of committing the heinous acts(like torture) humans are capable of. Bears can't be evil like humans can, and it's extremely foolish to be more afraid of bears than dangerous people. A person's chances of being killed by another human being are much higher than their chances of being killed by a bear. Also, most bears don't even attack people when encountered by them, just so you know. I suggest you read up on statistics about grizzly bears before condemning them to live in only a few small fragmented national parks. Did you know that grizzly bears used to live all over the Western United States before Europeans made them regionally extinct throughout most of the West? For the most part Native Americans coexisted peacefully with grizzly bears for thousands of years, and they weren't routinely slaughtered by the bears either. Actually, it was the exact opposite because Native Americans hunted them far more than they themselves were hunted by the bears. An interesting fact is that the flag of California actually has a grizzly bear on it, but the last grizzly bear in the entire state was shot and killed in the early 1900s. I can't imagine how you can be so selfish as to think wild animals should be forced to live in just a few small areas because they're "scary." If you're ever in an area where they live, you should still be far more afraid of your own species than you should be of grizzly bears or any other type of wild animal.
Hunting near Ashland Oregon a few years back, nine people sitting around a campfire caught a wolf trying to sneak up on my three year old niece who was walking around. When we shined the light on it, the wolf was only ten feet away.
@@goddessofthewilderness Lol, you missed the point. She was three feet away from a large fire with six adults and the wolf still tried to put a stock on her. They are too bold knowing they can't be killed.
@@bennyflournoy4575 She was three feet from her mother and six adults, one adult armed with a handgun, another with an AR 15 next to him. Point is the wolves are too bold.
Same in NY. Upstate is politically irrelevant since the only votes on state laws are dictated by the 5 burroughs of NYC. They outnumber the entire rest of the state so politicians don't even pretend like they care about us.
You're another dummy. You should thank Chicago and the Suburbs for carrying you. Don't you think Chicago area residents would like to keep the revenue generated by the giant economy that exists there? They pay a lot higher taxes than you do. They deal with the crime. They deal with the traffic. They deal with it because the jobs are there. Southern Illinois is losing population even faster than the rest of Illinois. It would be better for everyone if that wasn't true; but it's a reality.
Release the 4-legged predators in Portland, Salem & Eugene so the woke idiots in those places can get a taste of all the "biological diversity" they are preaching. Watch how quickly their tune changes when their Yorkies, poodles, and other pets start becoming appetizers.
I I've in a town in metro Detroit, we have a large pop. of coyote ,most don't give them a second thought till their dog or cat disappear, there are always losts of missing pets posted on the local bulletin boards.
worng many people biten now many put blue windo clearer in there dog pop bag they throw in brush it kills them when you have dog killed on leash and see it you will kill evey coyote you see for life dark chocolate kills them to sad some county now rehearing trappers full time one told me they are teaking provo virus to kill them in will get 90 per remenber a feed coyote is a dead coyote
True, I live in Forest Grove, OR, and we have coyote packs that run through my yard along with deer, cats, dogs, chipmunks, birds, rats, squirrels and mice. There are also bears and elk that are seen in the area occasionally.
It's always tragic. Seems like a solid farmer though who wants a balance of wolves, and acknowledges his dog was just a dog. Farmers see life and death every day, they are more accustomed to it than city folk!
I've known more dogs killed by coyotes, than by the coyote poison. I did almost lose my first dog to a trap. She had a bad habit of running away to the neighbors' places every time she smelled them cooking. But the coyotes consider domestic dogs to be trespassers, and they lure them out away from home and kill them. Wolves are just coyotes times 5.
@@save2a4all the most common opinion of those that aren’t dog people. He didn’t say his dog was just a dog. What the hell is that suppose to mean? Like you or any other human is a god of some sort. We breath air,piss and shit the same as a dog or any other animal. A dog is one of if not the most loyal animal on the planet not to mention how versatile and useful they are. A good dog will be more loyal to you than your wife, kids or family. I damn sure wouldn’t need or ask permission to eliminate wolves.
@@apbt067 he wasn't calling for an extinction of the wolves again just because they killed his dog. Live in the wild, accept the wild... Not remove the wild. Same for bears, coyotes, bobcats, etc. Was not trying to say dogs are not amazing and loyal, but some would be so sensitive to that loss (or a child!) and emotionally call to kill all the wolves and not accept that they live in the wild.
@@FirstLast-gv1zl You are correct. Wolves are likely to leave the ones that are unable to run. When a pack of wolves kills 14 elk in a pile, you can't tell me that they were only going for the sick and injured. The other thing is territorial disputes. If you have dogs, and the wolves decide to annex your location, your dogs now become "trespassers" who are dealt with according to the law of the jungle.
Thay need to move a pack to Portland city park and a pack to Salem to complete the ecosystems there. Then that side of the state would have a valid right to have a say.
Mabe someone can link him up with some of those big gaurdian dogs that are bred specifically to fend off wolves. Kengals I think they are called. They are bred for cold weather and grow upwards of 120 pounds
Was surrounded by wolves x-c skiing in Averill Vermont 30 years ago. The wolves, form a triangle around you, you have no chance if they decide to move. I didnt threaten them at all.....i backed away, or i wouldnt be here. You get the idea right away that wolves are fearless, smart and prefer food like deer and rabbits. Nothing in the wild has a chance against a determined wolf pack.
@@slatsgrobneck7515 And there are no wolves in Vermont nor in any location in New England, nor in Southern Québec since centuries So what this guy saw was probably coyotes, and coyotes rarely live in group so the whole story is a bit weird. It could be some wild dogs?
@@PG-3462 coyotes will join up to hunt at times. Then they can take bigger prey like deer There was a case of a pack of them killing a woman walking on a trail near a park, not deep woods backpacking.
Yeah they told us that the coyotes here in Michigan would control the white tail deer. Now we have an overpopulation of both. We lost over sixty lambs one summer and after that decided to get Great Pyrenees Guard dogs. Everytime a rancher or farmer loses livestock to a predator they get a pay cut, but it doesn't cost city people anything and that why there is a disconnect.
That is what great Pyrénées are for. You need a few. Kangols or gamprs are great as well. Again, need a few as one or two can't do the job. Having lived in South Africa, if you have a few good guard dogs and good fencing, you don't have a problem with predators. A lot of these farmers seem to be playing the martyr role and relying on the support of others... they sure aren't conservationists. Far from it.
@@thierrynolevaux9268 well out in Oregon is what is considered range land. In Michigan the coyotes were not previously here. So I consider them an invasive species brought in by so called conservationists who also spread other plants that are choking out the meadow lands.
So sorry to hear that. My best outside guard dog (who has killed at least 6 coyotes over the past year after he just "showed up" at my house) was attacked and disemboweled a week ago by a pack of coyotes. In the middle of the day. Rest in peace, Spot. Read the stupid comments by idiots below who don't understand anything.
@Kaggen I'm actively recruiting at least 4 big street dogs to sleep outside my gate and guard my property. There are burglars, kidnappers and coyotes here. Very dangerous.
I live in Northern Minnesota and we have always had wolves around. I'm calling BS to this fear filled story on wolves. In my experience you see signs of wolves (scat, deer kill, etc.), but rarely ever have an encounter with one. They avoid contact with people and places frequented by people.
@@michaelhennegan9637 you clearly have never been to Minnessota, there is very much livestock in Minnessota, most the welfare ranchers living west of the Mississippi are living on stolen homesteaded land that they never paid for
Been living in Minnesota my whole life among 3000 wolves. Hiking, camping & canoeing for forty years and just saw my first wolf on the trail this past year. He saw me and hightailed it into the thick woods more afraid of me than me of him. Most Minnesotans never see one in their lifetime. I have heard them calling at night occasionally though.
Scatter a dozen helpless newborn calves around in your back field and see if any show up. We don't have wolves, but we have many packs of coyotes. Around here we shoot them if we can.
@@gentlegiants1974 I live in Arizona lots of Cattle and Coyotes running around! Coyotes don't total your car if you hit one cows do! Then you got to pay for the cow on top if you survive! Other than understanding we need beef I'll take Coyotes over Cows and loose dogs any day of the week! Number one animal killer of people in Arizona dogs!
just my Opinion, Why not use a wolf chaser? Like they do in Montana and Wyoming and Colorado for nuisance predators? Why not consult the native americans who have lived with the wolf for eons.? Why not canadians how they manage wolves or even Alaskans? Any rancher losing money to a wolf kill should be compensated. Concentrated kills use a chaser. You currenly live with Bears Wolverines Cougars etc. Wolves like grizzly need to active persuasives to understand. This is not a topic that should divide anyone. With changing climate, we all need to work togethter to keep Oregon Incredible.
Yes, let's ask native Americans how, for eons, they prevented wolves from attaching their cattle herds. Likewise, we need to find the secret of how those large Alaskan cattle ranches keep wolves at bay.
Native americans did not have cattle though, and they lived differently, closer and with nature as people these days and i´m sure they also had a love-hate relationship with wolves.
@@nerotrd Yes, my point. The original poster believes native Americans kept cattle and that there are large cattle ranches in Alaska. Neither are true. Thanks for so astutely picking up on that.
@@cwcobo @1971jwing said Oregon ranchers could consult with Canadians, Alaskans, and Native Americans on how they deal with, or prevent, wolf attacks on their lands. Jwing didn't ask how native americans managed cattle. Since some Native American tribes view the wolf as sacared, perhaps they have humane ways of dealing with wolves when wolf territory crosses into reservation land. Why ridicule Jwing for proposing the question?
@@cwcobo Oh maybe frame it this way. Predators predate things. Not just cattle right? Alaskans do have cows infact. My suggestion is quit focusing on trigger words and focus on the solutions. While we are on cattle how about all the nitrogen in the ground water? Natives put that too,? The point is that wolves must exist right next to the cows. Use a chaser. Drones etc.
I am so sorry you lost your beloved dog.. a right hand helper .. Have you considered Great Pyrenees. livestock guardian dogs? Sure hope things get better for you!
Pa lease. Dogs are property and are meant for work. It is a financial hit but holy moly we need to stop anthropomorphize animals. Wolves are a natural predator which is a integral part of the system.
Just my opinion but they don’t want to use that option because it’s simply easier to kill the problem then pay for feeding 10-15 Pyrenees or similar breeds to protect their animals. In all honesty I’m a fan of using lgds but some of those areas are vast and 15 might not be enough to protect their animals.
@Brent johnson I has upwards of 1000 goats go through my heart and hands. Couldn't have done so without my good dogs. He can feed a lot of dogs from the proceeds from the market animals they save.
@@Box545x39 that’s why Arizonans don’t use that method, they pow them in the gut with a 22 so they can run off and expire elsewhere, hence no hands on work
That's cuz they're ignorant right-wingers they don't care about nature, but ironically raise animals I don't understand it myself these people are insane
sorry to hear about the loss of the dog. Here in Eugene, we have raccoons that’ll tear up a dog real bad. I keep mine in at night. Also, deer will kick he crap out of a dog and coyotes are eating cats. We don’t have any cows here, tho.
A mountain lion was found terribly chewed and lacerated with one broken leg. In the deep snow, footprints of a wolverine, mixed with those of the lion, told the story.
Did you not listen to the video? It clearly mentions not only said fund but how much it has paid out since it was established. Maybe listen before commenting?
In no way does our small family farm in Nampa ID come close to this experience. But losing any livestock to wild animals hits harder for people that see the aftermath IN PERSON. I hope Ontario to Pendleton join us sooner than later!
We have a very serious problem with feral hogs in Texas. There are no wolves or foxes here. I would like to ask ranchers if they would put up with wolves if wolves would reduce the number of hogs.
@@samuelsullivan9546 We have foxes: mostly the native grey, but also some invasive reds. Ranchers are likely to take a potshot at you just for asking such a stupid question. Farmers might give it some thought.
Feral hogs would tear up wolves just as badly as they do my neighbors corn. Maybe Wolves can pick off more suckers and shoats than the coyotes, cougars, and bobcats manage - slowing down the population growth a wee bit - but I don't see a big impact happening. What Wolves would do is remove the coyotes... And coyotes are a *much* more manageable predator than Wolves are. Anyway, the wolves coming down from the north are not well adapted to the South. The wolves that lived in the south before extirpation had smaller bodies, long legs, smaller pack sizes... Much more like coyotes.
@@that.schamp what you do is you getcha a good wild hog dog and breed it to another good wild hog dog. And you turn em loose to chase them hogs into a shed w one little window high up. 'Course not all them wild hog dogs are gonna make it out alive? But them that does? Are good wild hog dogs." Prolly paraphrased- vicki Hearne.. ;(
There are farms that receive 26 inches of rain a year; and there are ranches which recieve only 11 inches of precipitation a year. The later is much more difficult to make a living off of.
These are Canadian Wolves introduced into Idaho when I lived there 2002-2010. Problem was the native Lobo Wolf was far from extinct or endangered. These Canadian Wolves don't belong here at all!
Canadian bears, cougars , and wolves don't seem to recognize the US border. Is it like Vegas?? they go NUTS in the USA? Or is it incompetent MANAGMENT and decades of US stupidity?? We have radio collared black bears that cover from where I am north of Cranbrook into Idaho andthey are ONLY a problem when they go to the CASINO?? in Spokane?? tHUG BEARS.
Actually, they're the exact same subspecies. Canis lupus occidentalis, also known as the northwestern wolf, is one of four grey wolf subspecies native to North America. Canis lupus arctos (the arctic wolf) is found in the far north of Canada, Canis lupus baileyi (the mexican wolf) is found in the southwest and southern Midwest of the US and most of Mexico, Canis lupus nubilus (great plains wolf) is found in the Midwest US and some of northeast Canada, and Canis lupus occidentalis is found along the western third of North America. This is the most recent classification according to genetic evidence. You may be thinking of the outdated classification of North American grey wolves, where there were 20+ subspecies. Genetic evidence has now shown that these subspecies did not differ enough to be considered separate subspecies, and they were combined into the four subspecies I mentioned above. In the southeast there's the red wolf (Canis rufus rufus), a separate species more related to coyotes than grey wolves, and in the northeast there's the Algonquin wolf (Canis lycaon or Canis rufus lycaon), which is either a subspecies of red wolf or a separate species closely related to the red wolf. Hope this helps!
Years ago I ran into a gal that owned a ranch in a very isolated area of B.C.Canada where these timber wolves live and she said that we must be crazy to introduce them here in the States as they are alpha predators and at her ranch they employ humans guards to keep them at bay. Ranch hands who stay up at night with firearms to keep them away from the livestock.
The problem with too many wolves is not an Oregon issue alone. In Michigans Upper peninsula the wolf numbers have increased dramatically in recent years. I spoke with a conservation officer recently that told me the whitetail deer numbers in the eastern UP are down to 1 deer per 8 square miles! Predation on livestock and family pets has also become a huge issue. I see a lot of the same problems here in Michigan as in Oregon where people from the big cities that control the elections dont really understand the or care about rural population concerns and way of life.
You could send see wolves down to Indiana maybe...our deer population has been booming for way too long and is too big now. So much so that they eat our corn in broad daylight! This happened because of our DNR being in the red for so long and CONSTANTLY raising the price on deer hunting tags. And there is no other predator of deer in Indiana except man and coyotes, and coyotes don't usually take down a full grown deer, just a baby here and there or an injured one. Coyotes prefer our cats.
Most places in the U.P. have a severe overpopulation of deer. Not only that, but people feeding deer during the winter make a wolf buffet. Hunters get mad because they think they should be the only ones killing deer.
Its not only the USA, its the oldest culture and grazing lands in Europe / Germany as well, as I have written in a new comment here... The Leftists / Atheists are all "godless, judged bastards", which destroy everything they get hold off....
It's all about balance with nature I have too many deer in my area and it's dangerous to drive after dark. We've reintroduced coyotes, have mountain lions, and have people that still hunt but the deer don't live in the woods anymore they live in our neighborhoods where the predators aren't hunting them....yet. the idea of a mountain lion outside my house is scary
The deer moved into the neighborhoods to seek refuge from predators. If there wasn't a predator problem , the deer would be back out in the countryside.
@@tommycash9 in far southwestern Virginia they brought them back in the 90s now I'm not certain but the mountain lions I'm pretty sure returned naturally.
It is not going to happen to integrate Oregon with Idaho. But, it is conceivable to imagine a new state of eastern Oregon sperating from the western side of the state. Same with the eastern side of Washington.
I don’t think any of the above will happen but it’s good that people are talking about it because at least it’s becoming mainstream to admit that these states are being ruined and we cannot continue with the kind of people currently in charge.
@@ratherbwithhorses Many rural people have no idea or appreciation that the bulk of their infrastructure and services are heavily subsidized by city taxpayers. Your dumb ass appears to be one of those people. I'm sure your local law enforcement and public school educators would be thrilled to work for $12.00 an hour an no health insurance from your local tax base.
I live and hunt in Eastern Oregon. I have seen wolves twice without incident. I am always armed when I go there. Small capacity magazines my ass! It just goes to show how out of touch the Capital is with Eastern Oregon.
It's probably some entitled liberal killing them because they think they're more important even though they cause more destruction than wolves. I know.... dumb right?
hope that the ranchers are being heard. i am sure that they are pragmatic about the need for the preservation of wolves. they cannot be expected to manage the situation on their own.
As the video mentions, the laws do allow for problem wolves who have a pattern of attacking livestock to be killed and there is a fund to compensate ranchers for animals killed by wolves.
Asking to learn, because I have a small farm but not a large ranch. Coyotes and raccoons are our most determined predators here in Northern GA. Can these ranchers not run multiple LGDs to help protect their herds, the rest of the property, AND each other? I definitely wouldn't recommend running only 1 dog for an effective deterrent. Wolves and coyotes often run in pairs, small groups, or larger packs, so the same should be done when running LGDs. There are breeds that are large enough, formidable enough, and have somewhat natural instincts when it comes to deterring a single wolf or a smaller group, or even engaging them (obviously not a pack that's like 10+ adults strong). Just thinking this might help to keep the cattle, children, and other smaller dog breeds a bit safer. It's not a fool-proof option I know, but couldn't it help?
We have bears, wolves, and lions in the U.P. of Michigan. A lot more wolves and bears in a smaller area. That dog shouldn't of been left out like that. He has cows not buffalo. The cattle should have protection like a barn. Most states have such laws. When you free range cows the rancher should protect his heard. To me it sounds like rancher there needs to step up. Get up at 4 am and protect your cattle. At least that's when I hear them make a kill while at camp.
Well Eli the wolverine. Have you ever seen a wolverine or a wolf? Have you ever moved a 1000 cows into a barn to protect them every night. Ranch dogs are left "out" to somewhat protect the ranch at night. Wolves hunt 365 -24-7. How many nights are you going to stay awake and protect your herd. Get a clue city kid. Let the ranchers protect themselves. I wouldn't ask for permission
@@robpederson281 Well Rob Pederson, don't you think a business model that requires the killing of rare mammals in 2023 is a bit out of touch? Sounds to me like a flaw in the location you choose to raise cattle. Also it's beef, something we could all do with a little less of.
I wonder if they can catch & release them spread out by the coast & big cities; as long as they keep herbivores population down the balance in the vegetation is kept to avoid erosion, deforestation & droughts.
Just raise Kangals or Tibetan mastiffs. They fight Leopards and wolves in their native lands and work great in Africa against big game predators. Im sure they can handle wolves and bears in Oregon
@@catto-m The wolves, and coyotes tag team the dogs who are usually alone. Coyotes can take down a full grown buck. One dog has no chance alone. A 100 lb ranch dog was killed by wolves north of Joseph in NE Oregon. The vast majority of Oregon's wolves are in NE Oregon. You need at least 2 guard dogs working together otherwise they will be dead meat.
@@standunitedorfall1863 Look up Gampr dogs from Armenia. They work as shepherds for flocks of sheep and goats at high altitudes. The bigger the flock, the more dogs you need but 3 of them should be a minimum. It's stupid to have one dog in wolf country.
@Kaggen yeah these wolves stand taller and carry more weight, along with a pack that is itself very territorial will tear them apart. But its okay. I don't expect people who don't live with the issue to understand. But there are easier, cheaper ways to handle it.
@@tylercain6523 🤣🤣🤣 Clown who assumes or american who knows it all. Grew up in central africa where we have real predators but look up the Kangol and Gampr dogs. They will shred a wolf to pieces and born and bred to protect flocks at high altitudes. One won't do... need a few. Might learn something rather than resorting to a gun like every yankee degenerate does.
Dear Coleman. you have too. do what you have too. to. Protect your family. and your. livestock ( your bread and. butter. no. question. about it both my wife and I. lived on a farm. so we. are. aware what. your up against / Bill. S. from. Canada
That cowboy has a solid view on the world. Acknowledging he is not the only one with a opinion. We need to preserve wildlife, yes. but we also need food. Without farmers we will be in short supply very soon. So, listening to these guys who walk the fields and is not behind a desk taking popular dictions ins very important. Maybe I might suggest you get a few great pyrene dogs. Maybe 5-6 of them, they work for food, they are known not to back down from wolves and have the size to stand their ground. But you need a few, as only a couple would be ''out gunned'' by a flock of wolves.
This farmer needs actual farm guard dogs like the Maremma. There are a number of breeds that could defend the cattle from wolves. It would be worth checking into.
He let his dog dye for attention everyone knows he only cares about his cows and money well the wolves were there first so to many wolves how about to many cows and farmers duh
Does he sell those cows or cattle for meat? If do he's as much a KILLER as the wolves, more so actually. Very sorry he lost his dog but why the h*** did he leave his dog out alone?
@@aquariusmoon771 exactly when he knows what wolves do! Im not buying his sob story for one second he knew this would happen and is trying to get people to vote out of sympathy when the wolves are just doing what comes naturally.he could very easily keep his dogs and cows safe and one cow would feed a wolf pack for months and you know he probably looses more then one cow a month of natural causes.he's just a millionaire farmer politician looking for a scape goat!
The first wolf I ever saw was on the Ft Riley, Kansas range and my driver and I were really impressed. We came over a rise on a dirt road in our Jeep and this big, almost black absolutelyvicious creature was standing in the road like he owned it. As far as we were concerned, he did. He showed no fear at all of us and after staring at us for several minutes, he slowly continued his walk across our path and into the brush. A wolf is an animal to stay away from!
But so many have moved out of the city so they could be away from lots of people... besides several cities have cougars or mountain lions walking on the jogging paths in recent years, because the some of the homeless have moved out to the sticks as well!!
LGD's are being widely and rapidly adopted in many parts of the west and northwest, by both small and large producers, and often with the support of research and instruction from land grant universities. Texas doesn't even have Wolves yet, and our sheep producers are already funding an LGD Program at Texas A&M. Unfortunately, wolves expanding into the northern states have evolved to take down large game like moose and elk. This means large wolves that form large packs - with 10 being average and 20 not unusual. Even with large aggressive dogs like the Alabai, you need your dogs to substantially outnumber the local wolf population. Sending dogs own in insufficient numbers risks massive casualties of both dogs and livestock. Packs of sufficient size to reliably deter attacks by these wolves can only be afforded by very large livestock producers, so wolves add an additional stress to family farms.
@@that.schamp I got calls from big scale farmers,they want to buy puppy to fight wolf( quoting what they said). When I explained that one central Asian Shepherd can't protect against pack you need few ,they lose interest. They re upset to lose cows,but too cheap to invest in good dogs
WOLF ATTACK 2 MILES FROM US HERE IN SOUTHERN ,OREGON. NEWS CALLED IT ALLEGED... THE MAN ATTACKED is Healing .. chomped on his head and body. Miracle he's alive. They literally tried to say cougar or dog ☹️.. can you imagine how the victim feels. We stayed in the house for 3 days.
Actually it is not that simple. Ownership of land never gives you complete control of it. You cannot dam a stream upriver from neighbor a law 5000 years old.
I'm thinking nobody remembers why it is we got rid of them the first time. Alaska did the same bs and the Hurd animals have suffered numbers down 50% If u ever get to see a wolf take down an animal, it's a site to remember, one dog on nose one on tail and others ripping stomach open and intestines wrapped around brush, it ain't real warm and fuzzy.
I say the same thing about idiots who make comments like this. Screw those type of people. I love being American but hate dealing with the idiots that come with it
Legally speaking it kind of is. If you don't have a proper license to hunt wolves... that would be poaching, and that can land you in jail. If you want to hunt wolves, make sure you do so legally.
Funny how the map doesn't show the packs on the west side. Because the state doesn't want you to know about them. One wast of Dallas, that has been an issue.. another up on the Salmonberry... Where the deer and elk are now pretty scarce.. Also funny how you report they weren't brought in to Oregon 🤔 That's not what I remember... I say we should put a breeding pair in the big park in Portland... See how many people love them then.
Great reporting on the two different areas of Oregon West and East. It seems to me a simple solution is to allow eastern Oregon countries to follow different interpretations of state laws. Our laws should apply where it's appropriate.
