Eastern Oregonians are fed up with the direction of the state. We went to find out why 

Agreed... It didn't make my mind go numb n want to space out.

Exactly.

This area is Mormon controlled and that's what this is all about

Good. They can help pay for trying Chad and Lori. It's overv$3 million and they haven't even been tried yet. Enjoy living among the survivalist and paying sales tax too. Once you leave you can never return.

@@TheHypnotstCollector Bullshit

STUFF GOING ON FOR A SPLIT THERE & CALI

“The rest of us in Illinois.” I tell you, even downstaters aren’t unified.

Private property ownership will soon only be possible for the ruling class. "You will own nothing, and you will be happy." That was the platform for the 2022 World economic form. Not a joke or a conspiracy theory man. Look it up! They are saying this stuff out loud now, due to the success of the coordinated lockdowns. They know most will comply. That's all they need.

Same thing in every leftist run state. L.A./Bay Area controls california. SEATAC controls Washington. NYC controls NY. Denver controls colorado. I have been saying for years that every state needs its own electoral college. Each county should have a say in how the state is run.

You mean the rest of you who live in Chicago

It’s certainly true in Russia, the Middle East, Latin America, Africa, Europe… Yeah, pretty much everyone.

That is because People in the Cities outnumber the People in the Rural places 1,000:1. The rural folks don't understand Majority Rules. The are Uneducated and Ignorant of what America really is.

People who live in upstate NY want to also divorce them selves from New York City and its suburbs. NYC dominates the states government and impose many laws on mostly rural upstate. Their are other states in similar situations. I'm sure most of Illinois would love to separate from Chicago also. We could end up with 57 states, as Obama mentioned.

@@iworkout6912 Oh, and then who will control the Hudson River, why don't they just move to Canada, Canada loves the Irish assholes.

That's only because factories and high paid manufacturing is no longer in the cities. *When So Cal had a high % of citizens working for defense contractors, we had Gov.* *Ronnie Reagan, CA voted twice for him for POTUS* Post BRAC, not so much..... *BRAC was reduction of US military bases, MANY in CA....*

I left Rogue Valley after 40+ yrs. Drug crazed dump now. Only took 15 or so years. From best place in the world into what it is now.

It’s not just in the eastern parts. I’m from small town on the far west side and we all feel the same.

I did too I moved to Idaho then to Montana

Is it really about farming or way of life? Isn't it bigger than that? Oregon government has been taken over by radicals who are being sponsored by global elites, just like CA.

Careful what you wish for...

@@fattone166 I look at the only downside is that rural Western Oregon would become even more dominated. Otherwise I look at it as a net positive thing. Why do you say "careful what you wish for."

Throw in California from Redding North and Western Oregon south of Cottage Grove and now you're really talking.

Within 20 years, the liberals would just relocate to your new state in great numbers, have friends come before elections and take over.

DC needs to be a state first

Fwiw, Northern California talked about separating from Southern California.

They would only further dilute the power of their vote and in the meantime give more power to those cities in the federal level...so whatever ya wanna do. But yes, we live in different places because we have different JOBS 😅 All American and all depend on each other

Boise is already a problem because of all the Californian refugees moving there. Thankfully enough of the Californians are conscious of the problems they are leaving so the balance has not tipped yet. The new counties would actually help dilute the effect of Californians.

Rural fascists will cry no matter who stops them.

Some people are struggling with the idea of a representative democracy, it seems

So move.

Some of the worst wounds have been to our forests. All because the politicians wouldn't and still won't listen to the experts that warned them over 30 years ago that our forests would become a ticking time bomb managing them the way they decided to. They shut down most of the logging and devastated the economies of most rural counties in the PNW, not wanting them to continue to log. That has cost us all dearly! All that old growth timber that's just been used to fuel the forest fires. They continue to mismanage our forests while actually being the cause of some of the largest forest fires we've seen. Meanwhile they want to point to climate change as the cause but they're causing some of the worst pollution I've ever seen! I'm also tired of choking on smoke, while that smoke is also choking out the sun in NE OR! We didn't have this when I was a kid in the 70s and 80s.

This is precluded by the 14th amendment. Many states, including Oregon, had two senators from each county, regardless of population. The 14th amendment made that unconstitutional as it does not create equal representation. It does make sense in some ways, as the US Senate does tend to be more aware of the rights of the minority, in the form of the less populated states.

@@matthewbeasley7765 - Yep. Same argument can be made by the more populated states that their influence is undercut by the less populated rural states. The senators from WY and ND can basically nullify the senators from CA and NY in the senate...which, is one reason the SCOTUS is so lopsided and corrupt.

@@matthewbeasley7765 how has the 14th made representation more equal and how do they benefit the “minority” rural populations over the rest?

That makes no difference when laws are voted down more than once, and the govt pushes them through anyway.

@@rockstarofredondo That's an odd way of stating a question. Clearly, it hasn't. That wasn't the intent of the 14th amendment and certainly can be considered one of the downsides. Overall, the 14th amendment is a huge boon to American citizens. Prior to the enactment, the bill of rights only applied to actions taken by the federal government by citizens. The respective states could walk all over the rights of citizens without it. Overall, it is a huge benefit to the political minority. Just consider Oregon Measure 114: Presently there isn't a federal injunction, but undoubtedly it eventually will be struck down under Bruen. Without the 14th amendment, measure 114 would be considered an internal issue in Oregon.

yeah rednecks and racists

This is a Mormon job. By Mormons for Mormons. Part of the Nation of Deseret

In always amused by the State of Jefferson folks who want to secede from Califpenis and Oregon. I say let them go. What are they going to use for a tax base? And since most of the taxes come from the large populations in Portland, LA and SF, do they think those taxpayers are going to give them all the expensive equipment used to plow the snow? Who will pay for svhools, road, police, fire suppression and infrastructure? These folks are already dependent on the rest of us. Just like the Bundy bozos who took over Malheur, all on some form of government assistance while the rest of us work to provide for our families.

Most of Oregon is an absolute dump thanks to your governor Kate Brown. Only a very small part of it is even worth the money they paid for it.

If you were "most" of Oregon, you would have more votes😂

so complain

@@nicholasthompson7690 Complaining does little, I've gone far beyond that.

Like what? Have you bothered to get involved in politics, to fix the situation? Or do you just spend your time crying on RU-vid? You might be surprised how few people actually participate in politics, and surprisingly, it does make a difference. I get sick of all this they, them, and I'm oppressed nonsense, typically coming from the right.

@Bobsyouruncle I spent a bunch of time on recall work, not that it's any of your damned business. I get sick of all you dem's holy than thou attitude too. So why are you here complaining about the right if you're so tired of people complaining on YT. Look within, hypocrite.

@@dmsentra Good for you, you got involved. And I'm not holier than you, and I don't have an attitude. Best lose that chip that you're dragging around; it'll likely give you an ulcer. If you really don't care for Oregon, the obvious solution is to sell your valuable Oregon real estate and use it to finance a nice little place in Idaho-- which you seem to love. I left Idaho a long time ago, and I don't want to go back.

It's a matter of population not consideration. It's funny every one blames the West... They don't think about us. Let's be real. When a vote is placed do you the people in the East "consider" the people in the West? This will not change if Idaho were to take East Oregon. Let's look at it for what it is. These people what to live in a conservative Republican state without moving. If there's a problem in their County the mayor and other state leaders need to do their job as the people in the West can't just fix it for them.

Then move to a state that stands by their politics. There’s more to a state than politics. If that’s what guides you it’s an option for you in a handful of states. I am an Oregonian, and my vote is as valuable here as yours. You wanting to take part of my state because you don’t like that you’re outvoted is too bad. Split up each state by population then. You can have your 25% of each state. I’ll get the liberal addition of land from Idaho then. It’s not one way. The people of each state have spoken, and you’re just upset that you live in a liberal dominant state. Classic conservative to try to circumvent the vote. I’m not giving up my state. That’s just as much my right to that land as you. Even if you presently live there.

Lots of us in SW Oregon want to join also. This came up in a barber shop in Coos county last week and it was 6 out of 8 wanted to join Idaho. Mostly state employees want to stay part of Oregon. I know, very small sample size but it shows almost everyone here is thinking about it too

How would you pay for and sustain services?

Same way they do now.

Why? Why can’t we just make that small metro area their own state?? Oregon needs to be Oregon.

Move Idaho your moron. You mental retardation

A poet

SAID RICK DEES

Why should they?

You city folks keep electing the democrats enacting the policies causing the problems.

THEY TAKE CARE OF THUGS AND THEIVES

@@shootshellz - Why shouldn't they? Are they lesser than the rubes?

Oh good lots of comments from the Nazi gallery

​@@charlescook232 People living in cities shouldn't control land they know nothing about.

@@Nate_o_eight unfortunately for you people in the city are more educated and know a lot more about the land than you do obviously just because you live close to some land doesn't make it yours it's Federal and it belongs to all of us. Please stop being so stupid

I’m in Eastern Oregon and no. We would never want to be any other state but Oregon.

United we stand and divided we fall. Stop trying to divide us

As it should be.

California too.

@@stevenhenry5267 what do you mean as it should be?

​@@tman8939 remember anyone who isn't way has been brainwashed to think that white supremacy rules the day and letting everything burn is the only way to fight the evil white supremacy monster. Which is obviously complete BS and pretty much the opposite from the truth but it's what many believe

Mormon #DEZNAT agenda, to reform the u.s. into new regions. We have a bunch of terrorists who in last 5, 6 years have flooded in from Mesa county (grnd junction) into the NE Colorado judicial district and have usurped its power. D.A. was so bold as to run for RE.election on fb, w the use of a mormon bible, book of micah quote.... about Taking a shred of land, Making a new mormon kingdom, With a mormon king, And he *shall punish everyone not mormon. That was a blatant attack on our political system, to convert our nation into a mormon based Gov't, thereby erasing the line between church and state. They go on missions to 3rd world countries? To *learn TERRORIST TACTICS, bring those home to perpetrate terrorism on our country and its ppl. Mormons have few affairs, except for the older male pedophiles (n that's acceptable, sexually to grab up the young women) but mormons carry a minimum of a 30% illegal opiod addiction. And the 30% opioid addicts? Bring behind them the cartels and the MC gangs, all involved in illegal drugs. That's why we see Biden n Pelosi making nice w Mexico.... See? Ginny? Wife of scotus justice thomas, imho, her newest cult is #DEZNAT . She bragged publically, " they're going to make clarence 'KING of kings'." A reference to mormon religion having mormon kings & queens, etc.. It's a given. The Dems now are supporting the overthrow of America to convert to a mormon fabric to a new country. #DEZNAT . Remove the mormons from D.A. offices, LEO, cnty S O, and Parole & Probation, Jails, n Prisons. Same deal NOW in NE Colorado? As Moscow, Idaho, where the 4 yng kids were slaughtered in a mormon ritual killing for not being wholesome enough. Mormon Danite killers, cartel trained, Nlood Atonement ceremony w blood let to bleed into the ground, so a soul can get one notch closer to their mormon gods. Not christians... See? Why? Because the mormons have one very powerful bargaining chip? And congress wanted n needed it. Mormons in their homes have a years worth of food n supplies. In temples, 10 years worth of food for every mormon. I was urged to pls understand... mormons grocery shop at the mormon food banks for pennies on the dollar... While america's middle class is crushed by Biden's NEO.LIB program to destroy the middle class for good. So... what? Why? Because all our pres' have seen our system of govt has failed. But what to do? It took 9.11 dumped on bush n bush2 n cheney1 came up w a slow long coup to overthrow our country. The mormons have the food for a small core group to be fed thru the disaster. Congress, wh, scotus all 3 branches of our American govt to be shut down w riots like jan6 all over... for safety congress to saratoga,Wyoming, brush creek ranch, where ivanka held 1 of 8 pre.wedding parties n hses rent for $20 thousand - per note. W livestock, and greenhouses already uo n running for years now... congress was supposed to live quietly under liz cheney's hawk wing a homeland security providing protection. Jan6 showed congress there was no where theyd be safe from the wrath of American ppl. And even if congress's olan to use riots n martial law n mormy constitutional sheriffs - to seize our guns? Jan6 showed congress they'd never be safe, even if they grabbed our guns. Trumo was not the one promoting a coup? He struck at congress, for their promoting a coup. The geological disaster coming our way like a freight train? Is casually referred to as global warming, climate change, soft words to label a massive destruction of the physical world. There's not enough food to feed ppl. Ppl are going to die bad deaths of suffering n pain, starving. W no Gov't help. It's too massive. NY few yrs back was begging feds for sand bags as it was sinking... Wash d c is sinking... Theres a national fail rate for septics of 50%. Due to rising water table levels. They're talking when it hits? Canada's bay of funday flooding down thru michigan n minnesota, washing out the bottom of Lake Michigan and form9ng a massive river w Mississippi, that divides us. Chicago, Toledo, Detroit, New Orleans? All destroyed. It'll make Katrina look like nothing.... Wake up America. Idaho is mormon hell on earth. . Look at how those 4 kids were slaughtered. It is your fate, if you dont stomp on the #DEZNAT movement now. Wake up. Vote OUT every orev elected politico. Voting a straight blue or red ticket is communism. This started Rep and they developed a concious. Now Dems have joined in. It's your life and your kids n grandkids lives at stake. Pedophile n non.christian n starvation to.punish the non.mormons. That is your fate if you dont take action. Now Dem

THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON IN OREGON FOR OVER A YEAR

They don't give a fuc

I beg to differ, somewhat. City folks might watch and develop a better understanding, but it’s the politicians that will never be convinced.

And it is also not true representational government. That’s why removing the federal election college would be a disaster. Simple majority rule by the coastal urban elite would ensue.

@@ProjectFairmont - LOL! The electoral college has outlived its purpose and should be discontinued...then, and only then, would you see true results in presidential elections.

@@ProjectFairmont If you've ever been to a big city, you'd know that the residents are hardly "elite". Have a walk around Hell's Kitchen (which is where MSG is located) or the lower east side (remember Johnny Dangerously's mom? "This really sucks."). Wander around the Bronx for a little while, or Watts. You're listening to propaganda. If you want better representation, elect more effective reps.

I want to move TO FL. LOL

I feel for you. Worked a summer in Mccloud. Beautiful area. Probably understand our eastern Oregon issues better then anyone.

I'm in Central Cal. 40+ years here in Visalia. I can't believe how much everything has changed.

Majority rules, isn't that what Right wingers want? I live in Los Angeles, 4 million people. LA county has 10 million people and you think your county should have a bigger say in elections than yours? Instead they just want to scream about stolen elections. You're a resident of a county that is fine with a county fair asking the police department to hunt down a 4H 9 year old girl and her goat, take away the goat so that the goat could be slaughtered in order to make her learn a 'lesson' all because the girl who raised the goat, changed her mind and wanted to keep the goat. This despite the mom asking and getting permission from the state official who won the auction for the goat that the mom would repay his bid and reimburse the fairground their fees. The city council voted 3-2 showing off their MAGA 'stolen election' conspiracy' colors by canceling Dominion voting machines and implementing a hand count for elections despite the cost to hire and certify 1500 temporary hand counters and the cost to find another voting machine company to replace Dominion which may be in the millions of dollars. Right wingers don't want to patch up shit. If you don't like California or eastern Oregon just fucking move out and go to Idaho. Lots of White Supremacists' living in Coeur d' Alene. I grew up in Klamath Falls in the 60s. Had a great childhood. Spent a national guard deployment in Boise back in the 80s. Was impressed with the city. Great college town scene. I can see the attraction. What people like you hate is that your kids can't stand rural living. Young teens don't want to be farmers. Send detectives to hunt down a family, in order to teach the girl a lesson? Take away a 9 year olds goat because she is obviously a hardcore criminal like those in Portland. Keep telling yourself that you deserve more than you have. Taxes collected in the big cities is what funds rural unpopulated counties like yours.

The situation in your state is not unique. The cure would be for each and every state to have it's own electoral college so that every resident can be properly represented.

Garrett County might as well be part of PA, or WV.

@@adotintheshark4848absolutely not. One person one vote.

​@@adotintheshark4848 Why do you people keep pedaling this stuff? The rules don't work for you so let's change them? At the end of the day people vote not land!

Lol

You want an electoral college because you can’t win fair elections. What a surprise

It doesn't make since.. you believe 5 people in a 10 mile radius should have the same amount of power of 50 people in a 5 mile radius?

I lived in California all my life... It doesn't matter Conservatives are EVERYWHERE in the city. The reason you will see more Democratic voters in the city is because it's the city! You learn you have to live with all types of racies of people and grow an understanding of different cultures besides yours.. all conservatives in my family don't have a clue or care... That's why they end up as hatfull Republicans.

@@Jeralddoerr The point would be to give the 5 people within the 10 miles and the 50 people within the 5 self determination rather than the 50 people imposing policies on the 5.

​@Jerald Right now, the five people have zero representation. They have no one. Then it makes sense for them to be added to Idaho.

Nuke the cities

Mining, ranching.

Idagone already left move now be happy and free like me haha less taxes more freedom and beautiful land with no trash

Oh they're going to have those hard rock conservatives in Northern Idaho pay for it. Shoot, they'll find themselves back on dirt roads in a few years, with the power being down for months. But they will have their Christian theocracy, and make sure that no brown people are going to be around. The bottom line on all this stuff is it's cultural, and it ain't a very nice cultural. That's why they don't want to talk about it, because basically their ideas are unacceptable.

A 99 page study shows Idaho would benefit from the border change and western Oregon would benefit financially as well.

@@WIILIAMHOWELL I've got a 199 page report that shows that Eastern Oregon will descend into the third world levels of poverty experienced by most Idahoans. Seriously, traveling back to Idaho a couple years ago, Northern Idaho specifically, I was struck by three things, first I'd forgotten that everybody waved at everybody else in the rural areas as you drove by them, secondly, it was hard to get out of the grocery store because everybody wanted to chat you up, and thirdly, how poor all the working-class people appeared to be compared to their peers over in Southern Oregon where I live. Nice people but they look like they've been beaten like a rented mule.

I can't speak for Michigan but in Oregon rural counties use more than tax dollars than they bring in

@@Hassingerjeff Correct. The per-person cost to bring civilization (paved roads, emergency services, education, electricity, internet, law enforcement, healthcare) to a place is a lot higher in sparse rural areas than dense urban areas. This notion of rural Oregon counties joining Idaho, if realized, would result in a decline of standards for those places.

You statement about paying for cities is probably why officials do not take your side seriously. You start with a falsehood that does not make any sense. Your life is being subsidized by the cities. It was always the case and the imbalance will get worse as more people move to the cities and the rural areas empty out more. Face the facts first and your city neighbors will gladly consider your legitimate grievances (if you have any).

Sadly, I agree because in the end that liberal side disdains the values of the rural people.

Heaven forbid we actually agree on something, then there wouldn’t be any news to report, would there?

Well, you have a point there.

That's the joke. Wall them off and the problem WILL take care of itself.

So vote or move, whining doesn't help.

@@troywest7045 It’s called SPEAKING UP.

The difference is, Sacramento would KILL to retain control over the entire state.

It's just the tired old city vs rural debate. I don't like that Wyoming has the same power in senate as CA with a population 70-80 times it's size.

@@jeremytine Oh, you don't LIKE that? It's how the Senate was designed! Open a book once in a while. In Congress that state has a grand total of ONE in the house, out of -- no , I'm gonna make you look that one up. :D And here's one for you Leftists (can't call you Liberal anymore) why can't you just LEAVE US ALONE ? Why do you have this pathological urge to finger-bang the hell out of everyone else's lives that you can get power over? What makes you think that your filthy cities full of violent crime and tent-cities set the right example of how everyone must be forced to live, eh?

@@johnwolf2829 not would, do.

@@jeremytine then move to an actual democrat country. There are plenty to choose from. This is a constitutional republic, purposefully designed to make sure the always more numerous city populations couldn’t steamroll the rural minority.

The Left is so removed from reality it has to make up it's own point of reference. Grandpa retired to the McKenzie river....when the Leftists began to change the state (ignorance mostly) he moved to California! Pedophile protection, school indoctrination (not the three R's), Antifa, BLM Marxism is rampant. Oregonians who move here to Arkansas to work for Walmart or one of the other Big 50, are culturaly shocked!

Look at WA SR12 between Pasco and Walla Walla. One of the most dangerous stretches of highway in the state. Multiple fatalities almost every year. Main commuter route for several large companies, leading to almost a thousand cars extra per day that the highway was not designed to handle. The route has not changed in over 100 years. The most dangerous section of the highway is finally being re-routed and made into the 4-lane that it SHOULD have been for 50 years now. The COUNTY is footing the majority of the bill to replace this section of a STATE highway. If this same highway was on the west side, it would be a 4-lane freeway with a bike paths, water stations, and a rest area or two, all paid for with state highway funds.

Tax money flows from Western Washington to Eastern Washington, so a divorce would be really good for us Western Washingtonians in terms of saving on taxes. I'm all for it! Let Spokane fund its own schools.

I'm not sure I want more of my taxes subsidizing Eastern Washington infrastructure, however. A lot of tax money from western washington already goes east to subsidize infrastructure over there. I guess we just have more money, so we pay more taxes that then get redistributed to the poorer eastern part of the state, but still.

@@seanmcdirmid Please either find a different source of information or review how WA tax revenue is budgeted and distributed.

@@kevincrosby1760 was going to say, you think you pay the same tax rate as west WA?!

What’s wrong with Tigard?

Ever here of punctuation?? They used to teach it in school. Perhaps you weren't listening??

@@mixedupmenopausaladhd3999 crime is increasing in Tigard according to people I know who still live there. I saw the change in that direction too before I got out. It also is getting too crowded.

Bring the warm clothes with you. 🥶 Might want to bring a little water too. 🌧️

You have that choice open to you now. Move to Idaho and get the real Idaho culture instead of the halfway Eastern Oregon compromise.

But they can move to Idaho, and make a large conservative state all they want, and then they can be happy they have political power. That’s how it works. Plenty of space in Montana.

This is a cringe comment

If only it was a free Country, so they could move! Idiots!

Really? Considering the amount of human waste, garbage, crime, and open drug use in places like Portland, I beg to differ.

he's talking about the majority of Oregon, not portland. Stupid@@BasementPepperoni

You know nothing personal but that's pretty darn vague. What exactly are they bitching about? You have probably heard it again and again. So don't be shy, hold forth and tell us what it is they don't like.

It was one business owner complaining about taxes, and capital gains taxes. All these huge vast differences, and 2 of the 3 is taxes.

@@spencers4121 It's true, if you want to live in Oregon, and you make substantial amounts of money, you may end up paying a little bit more in taxes. I've been paying six figures between the state and the feds for years now. But I'm not going to move to some dystopian low tax state, just to skip out on a few points of income tax. I love Oregon--and I'm never leaving. And frankly, the tax rates aren't that different. I suppose I could have lived in Washington, and put up with a 6.5% sales tax, instead of our zero, all of my life here, not just the part of my life where I make the big money. I'll bet you it all evens out, and I like Oregon, not really into Washington, although there are plenty of pretty places there, and scads of people on the west side. Or I could have stayed in Idaho, and paid 6% income tax, on top of a 6% sales tax. Ouch! No, give me Oregon, and those that don't like Oregon, well there's plenty other places to live if you really don't like it.

@@spencers4121 Well, that's been the source of some pretty serious conflict before. Taxation without representation and all. Tea in Boston Harbor maybe?

@@sowireless I grew up in Portland, but I have a travel habit. So I’ve been around. Nine years ago, I was tracing more of my travels on an atlas I’ve kept since 2000, and determined that I had driven 85% of Oregon state highway miles at that point. Couldn’t help but decide to drive the rest. The cute part is where I discovered, in mapping out what remained, that the state got dragged into maintaining some farm and forest roads that rural counties were maintaining otherwise. It’s well known that the urban areas (both nationwide and in Oregon) subsidize rural areas. Problem is, media and “leaders” in these rural areas try to sell the opposite. Not to mention people on message boards who think Oregon should engage in California-style water projects so farmers east of the Cascades can grow more crops (not worth the expense, nor the skulduggery that accompanies the California projects). Meanwhile, a reminder. Oregon’s income tax is large. But there’s no sales tax and property taxes are initiative-limited, so the total tax burden is below the median in these United States.

There are more people in LA county than the entire state of Kansas. So yeah well populated urban areas in kansas are going to have a greater numbers of voters

Nothing. It's a free country. They can move.

@@DrthGrth yeah. Move the border

Chicago? Des Moines? Detroit? Etc... sit on some very rich farm land. It's on sched to destroy those cities[n ppl] to farm food.

What's wrong is that they fail to respect the values of city folk who have their values due to the demands of city life. Both sides need to respect each other's values for being valid for the place they are in. And acreage of dirt does not determine power; individual persons determine power and no single person should have more power that another single person. Majority rules are fair. I suspect that Oregon simply has poor government all around, perhaps because of poor leadership quality.

They can just move.

No need to wait - just move now if it's so bad.

Actually, Real Estate spiked in CA in the 1970's, I know, I was living there. You didn't have to have an inherited Home to clear almost home value in profit. Also happened to move to Tacoma in late 1970's at the request of the US military...ha ha I never got rid of my CA state Drivers license BUT my Motorcycle DID have WA state license plates...

You sound nuts

@@fredschnerbert1238 sounds like you’re a common example of what baby boomers did back then. In my 26 years in the Army I’ve PCSed 9 times and I highly doubt you have a valid California DL since living there. Clearly not everyone had an inherited house they sold when moving to a place with less “diversity” and crazy taxes/cost of living. A few years ago california imposed a new fee for any new home construction of $20,000 to connect to any water main and that doesn’t include the cost of installing the pipe and valves. This “greater Idaho” plan is looking better by the day! Liberals have successfully ruined Portland and Spokane, not to mention every other city along I-5 but they just don’t like living in deserts, lol. But nothing I say will make any difference, the damage done is too deep, the country is doomed to implode thanks to liberalism and open borders so I hope you can speak Spanish, lol.

Idaho has freedom no bureaucratic bull shit no homelessness or drug zombies craping in the fountains and braking windows and steeling cars fun fun

No, thats absolutely not the solution for a fifth generation rancher. It is proof you don't understand the problem, not even a little.

@@bob_frazierSell your land and buy a piece of land in ID to farm on. I moved being a 4th generation Vermonter. If you want it bad enough, YOU take personal responsibility and move. I mean do you SERIOUSLY think that state lines are realistically going to change and 2 state governments are going to allow the absorption of the minority of voters of one state? Work harder to get your Representatives elected if you want to see change in the OR state government. That’s how representative democracy works. Not some outlandish idea of reestablishing state borders.

@@jeezumcrow8655 Well said. Love it or leave it. Personal responsibility. If it's too hard to make a living in rural areas, do what you have to do to make a living in the cities where it's easier and more lucrative.

How about we go to war and see which side wins instead 🙂

As an American from Oregon living in England, I totally agree! 👍🏼

Brexit wasn't the problem, so much that Brexit never really happened.

Yes sometimes they adapt by changing their political arrangements

So are all the people who currently live in Gresham.

Exactly. They have no other reason than being tyrants.

Idaho has a lower minimum wage, lower wages in general than Oregon, many rural eastern oregonians are at the poverty level earning minimum wage already. Idaho is increasing its sales tax to provide a tax credit for property taxes, from 6% to 7.85% thats just weird money shuffling... Oregon doesn't have a sales tax. Western Oregon has a larger, wealthier population base to supplement the low population, low income counties in Eastern Oregon, but Idaho doesn't have that same population base to support an large influx of infrastructure and population from Eastern Oregon. More Californians are moving to Idaho than they are Oregon.

Yeah... I think everyone feels that way.

Happening in CA too.

I hear what your saying Peter@Peter Angles

Absolutely true. Not only do they not care about you, but they look down on you and think they are superior.

I-5 corridor from Mexico to Canada are all totaly lost

Great! nobody will talk you into leaving.

RED STATE?

Can't you see the decay?

@@kathrynann7755 Medford too.

I lived on the East side and I totally agree.....the West runs things THEIR way and doesn't give a darn about the repercussions of the laws they make that affect the WHOLE state.

Excellent point. But then there's always be careful of what you wish for.

@@johnking6252 True in some cases, but liberals are running this great State into the ground....then what will be left to save??

I imagine there is a lot of similar opinions from other towns too, but this video is summing up all of Eastern Oregon from the testimony of a few people in John Day.

Yes, I was about to post similar thoughts. But, there are differences with the Oregon problem. And maybe the differences are not so extreme?

Same in Nevada. Las Vegas, aka Sin City, rules over rural Nevada. 2 million in Vegas, 1 million miners and ranchers in the rest of the state.

I was going to say the same, I live in Scott County, right on the edge of the metro area. Scott County has stayed red but it is frustrating to see everything that has gone on since the left took total control of this state in the last election. If I could move I would.

@@MNRick041 I live in BP and see the worst side of dem politics

Help me out here. So we should abide by the minority vote of the state? Sounds like the electoral vote and why this country has the money issue we have. They don’t like it, they can go back to the country they came from. Conservative? They better be driving horse buggies. I’m pretty sure Western Europe will take you back and pay those taxes.

Us too. Left CA in 03

So move.

What being laughed at? Yeah I suppose if any other ideas as stupid as this one! Imagine thinking this had a snowflake chance in hell of ever happening..

Actually most of Oregon is cool with it.

Wow, it's like a city with over 60% of the voting population and not spread out counties with far less people are determining the leadership and laws. Fucking crazy...

@@cowsagainstcapitalism347 That's a lie.

@@cowsagainstcapitalism347 Cope.

Which area has more voters and humans to represent?

Ah yes let’s see how rural Americans fare without better medical center and we cut off the water they already take 70-90% of of

@@irvin6846 You clearly have never heard of wells. Rural Americans have them everywhere. And as far as medical care is concerned. we can survive for a few weeks without doctors--how long do you think you can manage without food?

@@richarddexter7641 idk you tell me seeing how Central Valley California makes the most food and votes liberal

@@irvin6846 They still have to ship that food somewhere if they want to get paid. And the truckers aren't going to enter the big cities.

@@richarddexter7641stop being so petulant. The reason cities control the politics is bc there are more people there. One person one vote.

If Eastern Oregonians are honestly claiming to have fewer junkies than the West side, that’s hilarious.

Well guns for one, second the two attempts to pass radical greenhouse gas laws that caused the rural legislators to flee to prevent a vote was eventually "passed" by basically executive order of Governor Brown with a delayed effective date, I think 2025? This "law" will massively increase fuel costs especially diesel which log trucks, farm equipment etc run on, it will also make older such vehicles illegal, do you know how much new equipment like that costs? It will make delivery of items much more expensive since trucks are diesel, basically it will bankrupt much of rural and small town Oregon. I could go into the water usage laws that have led to people being arrested by State officials for collecting rainwater but you get the idea. You hate us and we hate you, we have 100% opposite ideology so lets just part ways.

@@RyanRuark OMG go there then walk around the shite hole known as Portland, how self delusional can you people be?

If we have to tell you then you wouldn't understand.

Just say your racist and don't like gay people and get over it jeebuz

I also live in Grants Pass and I am so frustrated.

If Eastern Oregon manages to go, I would expect Jackson and Josephine counties to go too.

Southern Oregon want's out also

Why? Washington isn't ever splitting up, only someone lacking any common sense would entertain the thought.

Being killed.... not just "dying"... ;(

I went there to help a friend pack up and move out of state. Pretty shocking how much it has changed. I used to love visiting as a tourist.

@@LilyGazou Thank Homeland Security for that, it's their job.1st in? DHS promotes instability. 2nd in? Mormons. 3rd in? Mex drug cartels and MC Gangs- To supply mormons w opioids - their biggest weakness. California? Look at LAPD & LASO as examples. And 80% mormon idaho? Has begun 2nd sweep of their LDS #DEZNAT war? Sweep in from East to subsume 2/3rds of east Oregon to access farm lands and Columbia n Snake rivers in Oregon to do home n land grabs & *WATER grabs... Pressure on wealthy yuppies in Bend & Portland? To drive em out, arrest in court sealed cases to illegally seize properties and to steal in order to auction off cheaply to mormons to own the whole WEST coast w salmon n ocean fisheries, valuable crop n farm lands (think cali n avocados, onions etc... washington orchards, idaho forests for lumber. All ONLY for mormon LDS #DEZNAT overthrow of America. Fueled by mormons, enraged by their churches? Into rebelling for a coup. To "punish" n hurt Americans and destroy our nation. As bill clinton said? "Essy to think you can easily kick down the old barn [that is America?], but not so easy to build a new one." Think america. Step real careful there. No shootings, no riots. That wld only feed right into their LDS dirty hands.

@@LilyGazou see? That's EXACTLY what DHS n mormons n Congress wants you to see, think, and do. See a mess, think you have to move away from the horror, call in your ppl? Pack n blow town. The *food processing plants? *Dairies? Factories? Train crashes? *FOOD stores closing? Is exactly their war plan, terrorist tactics from 3rd world countries mormons n DHS are utilising to rip America apart. Think HARDER. Mormons NEED to be sent back to Utah. Homeland sec? Prolly time to disband it as it was 100% illegal to start. Gitmo? Obama was exactly right. Close it down. We need to step carefully n slowly back into the world spotlight. Drive drugs n cartels back into mexico, mormons back into Utah. On pain of death if no compliance... ;( Scotus leak slowed riots re ROE? Jan 6 stopped coup. We owe Trump an apology. We need to go straight votes? Exit A.I or else congress will put AI Clones into congress and run off to their new playground in wyoming... while climate disaster strikes? And congress + clones + u.s. are destroyed. C'mon guys! I need your help. To save our nation? We need to unite together. One nation under god. Indivisible w liberty and justice for all. Goal. Work. Acheive. United we stand. Divided we fall. Be strong. Be Anerican. Wily, wary, smart, ingenious, creative. Moral kind just democracy.

Never thought of it in those terms but that IS quite accurate!!

Or you can pack your bags and leave. Expecting state borders to change at your whim is ridiculous. You need to vote with your feet. That’s why America is free!

Disease doesn't care about land size...all it takes is one infected person to travel through the area and those that actually do live there get put at risk. And, contrary to the BS from a lot of the chest thumpers and anti-vaxxers, when they can't breath, they end up going to the city for help...

Perhapps you could expand on your thoughts regarding the problems of the legalization of marijuana.

@@danielwright9418 How about driving while stoned? How old are you, twelve?

Yep, I blame it on California take over. Logging and mining all shut down. Mills and a plywood plant sold to china in the late '70s.

No mature trees left to harvest, wages and therefore corporate profits are better overseas. Also, cannabis statistics have vastly improved with legalization.

@@danielwright9418 Substantial increases in DUI, overdoses, theft, etc.

NY as well. Georgia Virginia etc etc Cities are Dem trash

Pennsyltucky in the middle...

Majority rules is Democracy in action. But right wingers only like it when they win. GOP likes to say: let's throw out majority rules, so that the (minority), empty counties can overrule the majority(populated) counties. Oh wait, ethnic minorities, women, LBGTQ+ asking for equal representation, is too much right? How dare a minority ask for equal representation!

Almost all of the US is like this, even CA believe it or not. And don’t ever forget it is deliberate.

Illinois is the same way.

Lol what roam are you talking about? Some app?

@@thewhomphlew - Those damn "Roamans" are at it again!

Isn't "giving more seats to more populated areas" how representative government is _supposed_ to work? Why should rural areas with stagnant or declining populations get unwarranted bonuses?

@@thewhomphlew *Rome

@@Zalis116 nope, the minority is not supposed to be steamrolled by the majority. That’s why this is a constitutional republic, not a “democracy” like the miseducated want to claim.

Thank God you’re not partisan!

Listen cupcake, it doesn't matter how you feel! That land belongs to Washington State, you can pack up and move, but the State legislature isn't going to ever approve that moving the border, go kick rocks, kid.

@@troywest7045 "cupcake" ?.....so you lefties won't let others that are normal have an opinion! Stay on the west side

Only the stupid ones! You're better off packing up and moving, cause the State legislature isn't going to give half the State away, FFS use some common sense.

YUP. CHANGE YOUR POLITICS WHEN YOU MOVE

@@lovly2cu725 …. My impression is people moving here are dissatisfied with left coast politicians and policies

@@Idahoguy10157 As someone who lives on the left coast and knows many, many people who've either moved off to Idaho or are working on it, I can assure you, they won't be bringing left coast policies with them. They're headed there to get away from that. To have the personal freedom they've lost in the last few decades.

4 generations or new ariival Trans in Portland. 1 vote.

Like locust

Californians.

Nah, you are just stuck in the past

And Boise's mayor is a female Democrat.

Would count of vote from each district or county and the majority then becomes 1 vote to the issue or position. For all counties. Good ideal or not? Instead by population.

You make a very good point.

It’s the loss of moderate politics that has caused so much of this. Inability of people to compromise & use common sense.

@@vallee7966 💯 👆

It was that way until a 1960's SCOTUS decision who basically said that "violated the Constitution" even though that is EXACTLY how the US Senate is, it was a 100% political not legally based decision by a far left majority SCOTUS.

Well, how is that different than if everyone or anyone wanted their own senators so they could do whatever they wanted? What makes (some, at least-obviously not all) of these Eastern Oregon people think they are so different? States are governed by population for a reason.

@@superset7 Like old saying, "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely". Currently we have absolute power in Oregon. Note that the Federal government has a Senate with equal representation to states to prevent a monopoly on power.

@@dandowning5897 So your saying that eastern Oregon residents don't have enough power?🙄🤣

Why shouldn’t it be one person, one vote, a minority shouldn’t control the majority (though the majority should still think of the minority’s needs)

That is a major consideration. Someone should ask how much tax revenue is contributed by Eastern Oregon to the State budget compared with the Portland and Willamette Valley. Another thing to compare is population and economic growth rates.

And urban areas get their food from rural areas. Perhaps a slow down in production and delivery would help to get a point across.

Yes a full consideration. Rural Oregonians are not afraid of "losing" revenue from the west side. All the more reason to cut the east loose.

The problem for your argument is, rural people don’t rely on those things like you do, so it’s not going to bother them as much as you wish it to.

@@gregwarner3753 In the case of rural Eastern Oregon, the amount of state tax money spent in most of the rural counties is actually LESS than the total tax revenue collected from those counties by the state. To add insult to injury, imagine needing to purchase a new piece of equipment for your farm to increase how much you can grow, but needing to figure out if the cost of the tax hike from adding the new tractor to your net worth will be offset by the increased yield from the fields after the profit from the increased yield is also taxed.

The citizens living in the District of Columbia have no voting representation but get all the taxation. WTH

No one conquers who doesn’t fight. Oregon is beautiful, fight for it.

Good by, hope you went back to L.A. where you came from.

@@marcusmartin1426 guess you have low reading comprehension. They’re both 4th generation Oregonians. Dufus.

they need take responsibility take the steps every one else has to be heard. These people are simply pouting and crying. lazy. Besides there are people with political and financial aspirations using the emotions of these people to access the possibility of lithium in the area that would be idaho. The people of Eastern Idaho are stuck in the past and don't think of new ideas, they are piggy backing onto idaho ideas and lazyAF. i KnOW Eastern idaho. I understand. And still believe how i do by hearing these men cry and pout I did livestock pigs and sheep....these people are too emotional for their own good.

I should’ve sold last summer! It’s dangerous & disgusting in Portland.

Why is it citizens in western Oregon continue to vote for their and everyone's demise economically? As well, what is beneficial to them to curb rights and think carbon emissions are such a big problem? If the legislature was at lest evenly split or moderated there would be fewer problems.

@@vallee7966 I got out in 2013 before it got bad, I still feel like I predicted the future.

No Laura, you feel unheard and unrelated to Portland. You don't speak for me. I'm not related to Portland either, it does sound a little screwy, but I'm very happy being an Oregonian, and living in Southern Oregon.