• Lord John & Brianna | Their story [+5x11] 

I think he will. His character plays a major role in the upcoming books, more than ever.

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I'd like to hope so, but the actor said he wasn't going to be back 😕

I dont think he will be in s6 but he may come back for s7. He's a fairly major character.

@@astrangerintheuniverse5109 why? If not in season 6 for sure in season 7. There a lot to come

gllry pendragon I agree.

Yessss Roger was terribly casted

Agree with you

I knowww! Ugh the impossible

@@georgiesimmons5924 no, he was casted alright, the character is also annoying in the books

Me either😢

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That's because he's in love with Jamie and cannot have him.

I think the story hints that there's an up and coming relationship with a German Count.

I know!

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Lord John the kindest eyes I've ever seen.

He would have had chemistry with me 😆

I wanted both Him and Steven bonnet and I had no business being with either.

Well he is Bi sooooo OMG JUST IMAGE. I NEVER EVEN LIKED ROGER , HER CHEMISTRY WITH JOHN IS WAY BETTER

@@nightcoreobsession5742 He's not bi, though. The tv show doesn't go into as much detail as the books, but he's gay.

Yeah, he is amazing

Yup! They are like besties 🥺

I agree, they have such great chemistry, but since John is in love with Jamie, it's just too complicated.

I’ve read spoilers that throws that out the window. They could’ve been together and been just fine. 😔 but for real though anybody would’ve been better than Roger he is just so blah and uninteresting, I liked him so much better as a side character and Brianna’s pining friend, not as an actual love interest.

Love❤

Gay doesn't have anything to do with how good looking John is.

I have a crush on him 😍

@@LetraxiaEdits I Feel the same and I have a crush on Jamie too💖💖💖💖💖💖

True, I really think that David Berry is the most handsome actor on this world 🤍🙈

He's an angel

He is perfect!!

He is a gentleman.

Oh i know . My 3rd favorite character in this show.

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Lol same

I know .....he just does not belong in,this time era. And really neither does Brianna.

I just watched all the seasons again and I agree. He goes back through the stones and then it turns out Lord John is really bi. Lord John then marries Brianna. Perfect! 👌🏻

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Perhaps that's because Lord Grey is impossible not to like. He's kind and engaging and most people get drawn in to him. That's why, in the book, he made such a good spy. Everyone wants to either love him or pet him like a puppy.

Maybe it's because he sees so much of Jamie in her .

@@kimarellano3791 Ah well, there's that.

I know what you mean.

An actor like him can have chemistry with anyone. It’s called acting talent

How can they be perfect for each other? He's not sexually attracted to her and he's in love with her Dad! He's also her half brother's step father. If that's your idea of a perfect relationship then that's worrying.

LJ love is not always about sexuality, and if you think so i’m the one who’s worried for you 😉 their friendship is one of the purest relationships on the show/books and they bring out the best of each other. platonic love is as valid as any kind of love. peace ✌🏻

The books make it very clear what his sexuality is but that's never really explored much in the TV show. He has had sex with women in the past because he was scared of anyone finding out that he was gay but he doesn't really enjoy it or find it natural. Prior to his first marriage he went as far as to consult the madam of a brothel he was friends with to ask her advice and get some practice so he could do it properly with a woman. Anyway if he was bi it would still be very odd for him to marry the daughter of the man he was in love with who was also the half sister of his adopted son!

Because the minute he’s confirmed bi and ends up with a woman, the network can just erase the part of him that was attracted to Jaime Also because outside of Game of Thrones and Black Sails, we’ve had ZERO same-sex male couples represented in the fantasy/historical fantasy genre. And both of them DIED HORRIBLY in GoT so that doesn’t really count.

I'm afraid to say that the character Lord John, and the actor David Barry would likely have "chemistry" with just about anyone.

Roger and Bree have a ton of chemistry also. They have had few chances to show it. Roger has been away from Bree and has been sold to the Mohawk, soldiering with Jaime, hanged and thereafter impaired by PTSD and physical injuries. Lord John glides onto the scene with his exquisite manners and beautiful attire. He is, often, rescuing someone. His elegance gives him an edge. But Roger is not possessed of those courtly ways because he isn't from the time when they would be required. But when Roger and Bree are alone together and he tells her that he will always sing for her I cried hard...that's chemistry.

I agree totally

My mate LJG is a gentleman like Jamie. I always find his action resembling Jamie, and sometimes even better because he is so gentle and soft spoken🥺 ROGER shouldn’t have came back when Jamie sold him off to the mowhocks.

Nope not the only one 😂

Nope, not just you. I'd take a friendship marriage with John over a conventional marriage with Roger any day of the week.

VegasGirl35 lol RIGHT! Im so over their relationship! The chemistry is soo cringe that every time they have a scene together I can’t help but skip it🙄 ALL I KEEP THINKING ABT IS THAT HER A JOHN SHOULD BE TOGETHERRRRRR😂

@@prettysweett Yeah, they're pretty painful together. I don't think Sophie Skelton is the greatest actress to begin with, so she struggles to project chemistry with Rick Rankin. She plays off David Berry much better.

You’re not lol 😂 I’ve said before I liked Stephen when he was introduced, before the rape. I thought he would be her love interest and there would be some kind of redemption for what he did to Jamie and Clair, but then the rape happened. Then I was like 😱 all my shipper hope is now destroyed.

And charming, I just love him.

I think he looks at her that way because he so misses her dad Jamie and she reminds him of Jamie.

This man is amazing.I love him oh god this guy makes me crazy😚😚😚

Roger est l'histoire présent passé et futur 🔮 et MC Kenzie ! 💋

Yeah 🥺

Poor Lord John is almost a plot device to rescue Frasers from their troubles. He (or his brother) is just always there at the exactly the right time and place - Scotlnad, Jamaica, America...

@@aumelb Ah well, it is fiction after all. And we like John, so there has to be a reason to bring him in.

So true,he is like the savior of ths family,from jamie to claire to thr children goodness LjG. A pity he didnt hve any one

@@lizbatulanon7638 As the story expands and we get more books and information we find out Jamie and more Claire, do their fair share of saving on John and his family members. At one point Claire literally drags John's brother out of the street to save his life. Trouble is, she doesn't tell anyone she's got him and just... keeps him. Rather funny. Read the books. LOL

Mine too!

@@LetraxiaEdits ❤❤

💯…. Died 😅

Why would you want them together? It doesn´t make any sense. John is gay and in love with her father. And she loves Roger. Why would that arrangement make any sense? They are great friends, surely. They care about each other very much, but that´s about it.

@@therra1101 He's not entirely gay. And this is my opinion And because they are logical and not disgusting..

@@lamarlamar3964 Ehm, yes, he is gay.

@@lamarlamar3964 Idk but apparently he is in thew books? But anywho, I ship them. I can totally see how he could be bi and, honestly, Bree is a much better choice for him than Jamie, this man deserves requited love and we all know Jamie is Claire's, the end.

SAME!!

I Always prefer Lord John over Roger because Lord John is a dream man and Roger is not a dream man and he is so boring and I don't care if Lord John is gay😉😉😉😉😉😉

Yup 🥺💓

I see their relationship kinda platonic, but yes! Sure! You have a point. All I know is that Lord John is an angel who deserves happiness 💚

@@LetraxiaEdits Oh that's definently a fact 😌💚

Lord John IS bi. Didn't you follow the story?

@@Erin-vu1tt No he's not bi he is gay! He has had sex with women but only to stop other's knowing that he's gay.

@@mrscookiepie The point is that Lord John is gay. His characters demonstrates a deep and abiding love a man has for a member of his own sex.

He said that he can be a good husband, but he is gay

@@LetraxiaEdits he said he was perfectly capable of performing his husbandly duties!

@@bitturuyal6850 It doesn't make him bi, just that he is able to be in bed with a woman to produce a heir. Nothing more. Until the western word has accepted homosexuality, many men did the same and pretended to be straight. That's not rocket science.

@@shizukagozen777 oh don't blame me, i belong to a country were homosexuality is still a taboo and crime!! And i just corrected her!

@@bitturuyal6850 I'm blaming no one, I'm correcting you correcting her with something wrong. And where you come from doesn't matter. 🤷‍♀️

I Feel the same and I need a Jamie in my life too💖💖💖💖💖💖

Don’t we all...

mee too!!!

She actually wrote a 3 stand alone shorter book series on Lord John. They are almost as amazing as The main Outlander series itself. I spent years hunting down even out of print books, with other outlander associated short stories in them, there isn’t one she’s written yet, I’ve not fallen in love with yet. Aside from Jamie of course, Lord John is my second love in the series.

I think he will be back in season 6, in the books ,William comes on scene.

@@Restlessgypzy ..... have you tried on line at thrift books? Check used bookstores in your town, public library, and look at garage sales you can sometimes find books and at Goodwill and thfit stores.

@@lindatimmons3675 I actually owned everyone ever written that had any story line at all at one point, including the short story that was tucked away in a collection by various authors she had done about Rogers parents! And that is exactly what I had done, used book stores, eBay, goodwill, and online used bookstores for ones that had come and gone, and were no longer in print. Sadly… our home was destroyed by Hurricane Florence and while I was able to save some of the main outlander books themselves, as I had them in my library and we were able to relocate books prior to the ceiling caving in (we believe a tornado did the initial damage tearing off shingles, tarpaper and some plywood, while damaging and lifting other plywood allow the water to just pour in). Our flood was from the roof down, we life in Swansboro NC and received some of the heaviest rainfall totals over 3 days, we started with just drilling holes in our floors trying to drain the upwards of 8+ inches of standing water at any given time, which doesn’t sound like a lot, but when your home already sits over 3 feet off the ground… But then we started busting holes in the floor amd it still wasn’t enough, there was just to much water coming in to quickly. So we moved everything we could ahead of each section of roof and ceiling giving way. We have a horse farm and equine rescue and just to many animals to even try to have evacuated and having been here since 96, we have actually built our property around hurricanes, windbreaks and the safety of our animals, we were here for a Bertha, Fran, Floyd, and those in between and nuthin… Florence, some wind gusts and a lot of rain did us in lol. Anyways. I had my more rare and prized books in my bedroom bookcase and those I couldn’t save, as that was the first room we lost, and we were just able to barely save some of our most cherished family possessions and still lost most. So like many our insurance co also taught us a hard lesson on how bad they get you at the worse time, and we are still living in a camper while we work on trying to rebuild our home, as we own it, and have a good old mortgage and oh! Since I guess the frame and outer walls were still standing it wasn’t a total loss either soo lol. While one day I hope to try to once again find the rest of my cherished books, Lord John’s stand alone and all ( were those not just as yummy as you imagine the man himself would be if you could imagine him into existence lol.) It will have to wait to I can spend money rebuilding and restocking my beloved library. But thank you so much for taking the time, and offer the suggestions to a companion Outlander Book Lover. And sorry for the short novella I seem to have written you here as well. 😁

Isobel, Briana, Claire...

@@jamesdaniels8007 Claire ??? 😐😧

@@shizukagozen777 During 1 month, at the 8th book. All desided that Jamie died on the sea, and Claire and family need protection. Jamie comes back, of course 😊

@@shizukagozen777 yeah, in the books Jamie was lost and presumed dead and to prevent a this one particular unsavory character from swooping in and taking away the Frasier land Claire married John to prevent that.

Thank you guys for your replies but unfortunately, I feel like there are some big spoilers in your comments so I can't read them. Sorry. :(

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Lord John Grey helps so many people throughout the series. I love his words of wisdom.

@@merisagoodier4981 ... And he never finds his one true love as the saying goes.

Except that Lord John Grey is gay, so that wouldn't have happened even if Roger hadn't come back.

@@SubeTheWench exactly

We're working with the idea of him being bi. He did agree 'with women too', so, at least in the series universe, could be possible.

@@9401maru No, it really couldn't. He is canonically, both in the series and the books, gay and not bisexual.

Intéressant mais un gay peut il revenir au point de départ 🤔

I have to agree with you. I like Roger, but I don't see the chemistry between the actors. How can the producers and writers no see the chemistry?

@@lindawilson6966 yeah the lack of chemistry still makes me wonder if they had an actual chemistry test!

Chemistry is always better with someone else than the one your with.

On the 18th century, even husbands were not allowed during childbirth.

@@Gaia_Seraphina i meant out pacing the hall or sitting in the parlor paiently waiting. In my mind i could see him pacing.... 😚

Lmao

''her'

Yeah a bisexual men she try to understand him omg... why Roger exist i hate him

I think he would have been really good to Brianna. Its obvious he has feelings for her, or some feelings.

@@lindatimmons3675 he definitely has some feelings for her but i really don't think it was love

Roger could live in his own time, he would break up with Brianna and Bree and John could fall in love

Lord John isn't bisexual!!!!! He's a gay man living in the 18th century who has had to hide his sexuality so that no one finds out because the punishment is death!

In the show Outlander the character John Grey is gay. That's why initially he said he could not marry her. He only married her to help out.

Nooo, poor Roger :(

Ah,but did she not father-zone him in season 5?

@@marishasingh3706 Brianna asked him to marry her for her protection, it was her half brother who's under John's father figured , her lil bro William will become an Earl & heir of Lord John..

Her rapist? Thats a lot..

Me too agreeeeed❤

When¿?

The closest I know is when he tells Jamie he's confident he can perform adequately (with a wife). He put himself to the test while in London. We can assume from that he engaged a lady for hire to test if he could find feelings for her. He also told Briana that he was an adequate husband to Isobel. He never says women would ever be a preferred choice.

He says he can have sex with a woman, therefore be an adequate husband, but not that he actually likes women

@@victoriahauck1877 you're right, he never says anything about being bisexual. Sorry.😭😭I was wrong. But they have such a good chemistry...😭😭😭

@@hannahmontana2264 they do, I love them and their relationship but I don't ship them because... I mean duh

Agree 🤭💗

Jamie doesn't seem to like Roger that much either, just saying.

You have to remember that Lord John is a man of the 18th century while Roger is a man of the 20th. Their constructural concepts and sense of propriety will be quite different.

In the books Roger is a 6 foot plus hunk of manhood who may not have the fighting experience that Jamie has but is quite a tough nut in his own right and he and Brianna have a sexual chemistry from day 1. For some reason the writers of the TV show seemed scared that his character would outshine Jamie's and so tried to make him less manly and masculine. Richard Rankin is a good actor but he isn't physically as impressive as Roger and doesn't have the same sex appeal of book Roger.

except the fact that he's hella gay, so that wouldn't really work out lol

Except for the fact that John is in love with Briannas father.

@@LAILA269. based on their conversation when bree asked him to marry her, I'd say he's bi

@@LAILA269. yeah, that doesnt mean he cant be bisexual

@@LAILA269. he said he was drawn to brianna and that "He's capable of preforming his husbandly duties" he may romantically prefer men, but he has no issue with sleeping with women

Brasil

Lo mismo pienso

Hubieran ardido en pantalla!! Juntos son una bomba.

Con solo dos segundos de quimica en la pantalla me hicieron arder tanto como Clear y Jaimie, hubieran arrasado y lo hubieran hecho bisexual, pero crearon al insulso de Roger y la cagaron

Solamente mire la serie después de ver este vídeo. Y lo mismo pienso está era la pareja de la serie

Yeah I never liked Roger, Lord Grey could be Hetero man and be with Brianna, They look better together, they could be power couple

@@johnny63ism he doesn't have to be straight. He could be bi. Or even be gay and have a marriage of love, but not a romantic one. I honestly don't care that much, I just wanted to see more of them.

Like little finger & Sansa 😅😅😅😅😅

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I really loved your comment, thanks! They are so platonic, and John is a beautiful character, and he's gay, that's it ❤

PREACH MY FRIEND Honestly John is such an epic character, best of virtues and more honorable than any other character considering the pain he carries. I'm at season 4 and I just want to see him satisfied and with a man he loves by his side. His first love died in Scotland and his second was one sided. BRUH IS IT TOO MUCH TO GIVE HIM A GOOD END AND A LOVE STORY?!?

i always thought of his relationship with Brianna as a godfather. he is a gay man living in a time much different than today. love his character and honesty.

In the book, while Brianna is still trying to convince him to marry her, he admits that though he likes her very much for own sake, any attraction he may have for her would always be for her similarity to "someone else". Bree is a bit offended but then shrugs it off as honesty at its best, but then is offended for her father's sake. Though homosexuality is more accepted in the 1960's it's still not an open discussion subject like it is now in the 2000's and Bree is still a product of HER time.

I think all the fandom knows and accepts he’s gay. Not sure why you think that. Posts on RU-vid is not everyone.

Have you read the books ?

The thing is he has feelings for her father Talk about awkward family gatherings

What is the title of this drama? Where can I watch this series? Tq

@@agnesdorothy23968 its Outlander

While the series is amazing in its own right, it still has nothing on the books..

i mean he's a very plain and annoying character lol

They want him gone because the show writers turned him into a complete wuss! He's not like that in the books.

😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 Poor Roger I hate him too.

I appreciate it sm 💛

How much better could these two play off each other? It’s a credit to all the actors though that there doesn’t seem to be a vain personality in the company. Bravo all and here, Sophie and David 💖💖.

meu sonho era que a bissexualidade fosse mais falada em algumas séries, infelizmente na maioria da séries só existe gay e lésbica. John poderia ser bissexual, tem mais química com ela do que o roger que é sempre abusivo com ela, ao ponto de no começo pressionar ela pra casar e só queria se fosse virgem.

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In the show Outlander the character Lord John Grey is gay. He and Brianna have empathy for each other's situations. That's just normal friendship, not chemistry. Lord John Grey is in love with Brianna's father.

Janet Wright Readings I know that I’m just wishing that they’d be together roger is so annoyi

@@sayedayesha4452 Well I think Jamie is a hard act to follow. Roger is just a very different character. Also I keep remembering that the actor who plays Roger is a real person with feelings and I want him to know he's doing a great job! :-)

John is bisexual, he told Brianna that himself.

@@stephchretien7750 I dont remember that, thanks for the info. When did he say that?

@@taylorwatts5726 It was during their argument if I remember correctly.

@@stephchretien7750 again thanks 😊