Piękne dźwięki! 😊 Naprawdę super są te Ikarusy! ♥️ 4:08. Hahaha. W tym momencie śmiechłem. 😂😂😂😂 Odrabiając zadanie domowe patrzę na RU-vid, a tu wrzuciłeś film z Ikarusem! Mówię: Ooooo... Ikarus! Idę posłuchać tych wspaniałych dźwięków!
Here's something interesting: bus enthusiasts from Poland are, surely, familiar with the Ikarus (Zemun) IK-160P. This series was produced specially for the Polish market and was powered by Mielec SW680 engine (185 hp). The gearbox was the manual FPS Tczew S6-90U (licensed from ZF). The driving axle was (at least judging by the sound on recorded videos) Raba MVG 118. The original, ex-Yugoslavian-spec IK-160 (without the P) was powered by Raba D2356 (220 hp), with FAMOS 6MS-80 gearbox (probably also ZF licensed, I don't know for sure). The driving axle was (again, judging by the sound) the MVG 118. Sadly, at the time (during the '80's) the Raba D2356 engine has proven to be very unreliable (at least in the IK-160) and there was a need for a replacement engine. The engine of choice would be the MAN D2866 UM (240 hp), and in 1987, the new Zemun models - the articulated IK-161 and the solo IK-111 - were born. The gearbox and the driving axle remained the same. Later, in 1990, Ikarus Zemun fitted automatic gearboxes for the first time. Since it was an experiment for them at the time, they tried installing both the ZF 4HP 500 and Voith D851.2 on two IK-161 units. In Belgrade, where the vehicles were used, the Voith has proven to be more efficient, so GSP Beograd (the Belgrade public transport company) ordered more vehicles. The solo buses were renamed IK-102, and the articulated ones were named IK-166. It is interesting that the 10 of the IK-166 had the ZF gearbox, despite Voith being the gearbox of choice. It's also important to note that serial production units of IK-166 (and probably IK-102 too) were equipped with MAN H09 driving axle. That was also an important change compared to the manual IK-161. Sadly, no other city except Belgrade has bought automatic Zemun IK-166 buses, and even there, some of them were conversed to manual transmissions later in their exploitation. During the 90's the articulated IK-161 was fitted with the Raba MVG-318 axle (at least judging by the sound, again) instead of the usual 118. The solo version, IK-111 used the MVG-118 until the end of it's production. The IK-111 production was ended in 1992, and the IK-161 was withdrawn from the market in 1996. However, the same mechanics layout (MAN D2866 UM engine, FAMOS 6MS-80 manual gearbox, and mostly Raba MVG 318) was still used for early (mid-'90's) series of their successors, the IK-103 (solo) and the IK-201 (then already named IkarBus). In the later (2000's) series, the engine/gearbox/axle layout was changed/updated. Sometimes, Raba, and even Mercedes engines were used. Today, in 2021, there is only one IK-161 (made in 1994) and two IK-111 (made in 1990 and 1992) in use. They are all located in Subotica, Serbia. The articulated IK-161 was renewed during 2017 and it's in a pretty good condition for its age, while the two IK-111 are both pretty worn out, but still pleasant to travel by. The IK-161 has the MVG 318 axle, while the IK-111's both have the MVG 118. I find it quite interesting that the Hungarian and ex-Yugoslavian Ikarus (later IkarBus - from 1992 - due to the lawsuit from Hungary, I think) have mechanical twin-brothers. It's also interesting that the MAN-powered Ikaruses 280 (the 37 and 70H) were mostly made specially for Poland (and Russia in some cases, I think, with different sub-type numbers), and they weren't made in large numbers, as far as I know. On the opposite, the IK-111/161 were the majority of the fleets in a large number of Serbian cities from the '90's to the late 2000's. So, it turns out that both Poland and Serbia had their "Bizon" buses at one moment. Oh yeah - here are rides in Zemun-Bizon buses with a manual gerarboxes : articulated IK-161 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-b9Lea_pfjy0.html solo IK-111 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-XflHTlzirSU.html solo IK-111 again (same bus, shorter video, better quality) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-mSHSysFdzD4.html Sorry for the long comment, I hope it's interesting at least, and I also hope you'll enjoy the videos. Also, thank you for your videos. Regards.
Some of the Ikarus-Zemun buses used in Belgrade, including IK-166 buses, were actually ordered by ESHOT, the main bus operator in Izmir, Turkey. At least 14 buses couldn't be delivered to ESHOT back in 1992 because of the situation in Yugoslavia. ESHOT was a loyal customer of D2866 UM engines, hence why their Ikarus-Zemun, Ikarus and Sanos buses were equipped with them.
@@izmirbelediyeotobusleri Yes, you are right, some IK-111/161/166 were exported to Turkey, but, due to sanctions caused by the war, couldn't be delivered. As you've said, they mostly remained in Belgrade, and were highly recognisable by their orange-blue color combination (at least that's what I remember from photos seen online a long time ago). But, I've read on forums that even the IK-161 from the video I've linked in my previous comment was, allegedly, made for Turkey, but, I don't know for sure. By the way, only the two Ikarus Zemun buses from the video links in my comment are left today. The IK-111 is out of service, but still parked in the depot, untouched. The IK-161 is still in service, but not for long. Luckily, there are hopes that those two buses will be preserved. Let's hope that will be fulfilled. I'm not surprised at all that ESHOT was loyal to the D2866 UM - it seems like quite a durable engine. And sounds great too. But, it's not only Turkey (or ESHOT, to be precise) that was loyal to that engine - in ex-Yugoslavian countries, besides the Ikarus Zemun IK-111/161/166, and their successors, Ikarbus IK-101/103 (solo) and IK-201 (articulated), the D2866 UM also powered the Sanos S-218 buses in Promet Split, Croatia (with manual gearboxes) and the MAN SU/SG 240 Avtomontaza (bodywork factory from Ljubljana, Slovenia) in Autotrolej Rijeka, Croatia. All these buses are scrapped today, but there are some videos of the Sanos buses in Split, and plenty of them showing the MAN buses in Rijeka. You can just type them on YT and you'll see. You have mentioned that Ikarus buses (from Hungary) ordered by ESHOT were also equiped with the D2866 UM. That led me to the video on your channel, where the 280.66 were presented to the public in 1992. Quite a nice and valuable video. I didn't even know that the MAN powered 280s were used in Turkey. So far, I've only discovered the two Polish subtypes (the .37 and the .70H) and also some in Russia, but the 280.66 is a completely new discovery to me. I have two questions about them: 1. I saw tha the 280.66 had a manual gearbox. Do you know what type was it ? 2. Were there any other MAN powered Ikaruses in Turkey (not only Izmir) ? Im asking for both the 260s and 280s. Thank you for leading me towards some new information about the Hungarian Ikarus buses.
Orange-blue was the standard livery used by İETT, the main bus operator in Istanbul, Turkey back in early 90s. Those ordered by ESHOT were red-beige. An Ikarus-Zemun IK-161 used by İETT: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-qdVP-KpaplY.html ESHOT made a stunning purchase of 800 Sanos buses in 1992. 300 of them were S215 buses, and the remaining buses were S218. However, after the change in mayorship in 1994, 350 of S218 buses were cancelled and only 150 entered service. They all had D2866 UM engines, ZF Ecomat 4 HP 500 transmissions and MAN AP-H09-11120 drive axles. ESHOT used S215 buses between 1993 and 2013, and S218 buses between 1994 and 2014. But luckily, many S215 buses were donated to municipalities inside and outside Izmir instead of ending up in the scrapyard, thus spreading the might of the D2866 UM engine across the country. One such Sanos S215 used by a municipality: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Wyh9TqoC3s0.html As for your questions about Ikarus 280.66 and other MAN powered Ikarus buses in Turkey: 1. The fleet of 65 Ikarus 280.66 buses that were used in Izmir had ZF S6-90 transmissions. Their partnership with Csepel is debated, because of them being said to be original German transmissions by the ex-General Manager of ESHOT. 2. As far as we know, every other operator in Turkey ordered their Ikarus buses with Rába engines. Also, here is a trivial fact about buses with D2866 UM engines: Because of the size of the engine in question, buses with these engines tend to have unusual second door placements. For example, in case of Ikarus buses, the distance between first and second doors is just a single window as opposed to the usual two windows. And another trivial fact about Ikarus 280.66 buses in Izmir is as follows: In September 1999, a promotional automatic transmission was fitted to an Ikarus 280.66 bus by the German company Voith, free of charge. Funnily enough, this bus had a "ZF-ECOMAT" logo in front of it which was added by one of the drivers, despite the Voith DIWA automatic transmission. Out of pure chance, a random person managed to come across this bus while driving and accidentally recorded its sound in the process. Here is the video where you can hear the sound of the only Ikarus 280.66 with a Voith DIWA transmission along with an ordinary Ikarus 280.66. You can hear them during the first minute of this video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-8jBtxnc3PW0.html You are welcome. We are glad to be able to exchange information with fellow bus enthusiasts. Hopefully, our knowledge broadens those of others.
@@izmirbelediyeotobusleri I didn't actually know the details about orange-blue and red-beige coloring, i.e. which colors belong to which cities, I onlu knew that Ikarus-Zemuns (or Yugos, how you've called them in Turkey) were exported to Turkey. So, thank tou for clearing that up to me. Wow, 800 Sanos buses (or 450 after the cancelling) ? That's quite a purchase. Judging by the sound, I think that the S218's in Split also had the MAN H09 (I'm not that well informed about axle types, so far, I can only tell Raba types apart by ear, and, eventually recognise the H09 by its sound, as I just said, i don't actually know the subtypes and other details). Here's a sound recording of a S218 from Split ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-mweQd9b_yX0.html Also, a short clip from inside the bus, you can hear the axle pretty well ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-DLjyGwv-sHM.html To be honest, I don't know the exact gearbox type in these buses, I only know they are manuals. Also, there were Sanos buses in Osijek, Croatia. I don't know for sure, but it could be that they had both the S217 (MB engine) and the S218, and also the S213 (MB engine probably) and S215. But, as I said, I am not sure about it, I only looked it up quickly. I also don't know the axle and gearbox types that the Sanos buses in Osijek had. What is interesting to me, is the fact that Sanos models from the 90's weren't frequently used in their homeland, in Skopje, North Macedonia. At least I didn't see them much on photos. As far as I know, they used Ikarus Zemuns and older Sanos models from the 80's (S115 solo and S200 articulated, with Mercedes engines, if I'm not wrong). Then, in 2011, they just bought a large number of Chinese Yutnog Citymaster double-deckers and some Ukrainian LAZ buses. Recently, they bought a decent number of MAN Lion's City, and Lion's City G, that run on CNG. But, as I said, 90's Sanos models weren't popular there. There were some, of course, both in private companies and the main city operator - JSP Skopje. But, judging by my quick scrolling down the forum pages about the public transport in Skopje, there were far less 90's Sanos models, compared to the older ones, or Ikarus Zemuns and various other 70's and 80's buses. Thank you for the answers to my questions, I also found some information about it on the WOWTurkey forum in the meantime. Yes, Hungarian Ikaruses always had different door/windows placement when powered by MAN engines. I think that's the case with Russian subtypes as well. But, it can also happen when the 280 is powered by Mercedes OM 447hla. Here's an example, sorry for the poor quality ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-M4CjlAFiA-g.html Interestingly enough, weird door placement didn't happen when Ikarus Zemun switched from Raba to MAN engines. Here are the differences that are easisest to spot on IK-160 (Raba) and IK-161 (MAN): IK 160 on the right side - notice that there's no air intakes between first two windows imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/5540/wxWHdZ.jpg IK 160 on the left side - there's an air intake between the 2nd and 3rd window, and also, there's nothing between the 1st and the second window (you'll see why that's important) imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/922/UQhQNk.jpg IK 161 on the right side - there's an air intake between the first two windows postlmg.cc/ftr0zJPt IK 161 on the left - there's a small window right behind the driver's window, which the IK-160 doesn't have. postimg.cc/rz7t7RW7 Same details appear on the solo versions. Thank you for all the videos, i enjoyed watcinhg and listening. The IK-161 and the Sanos sound great, and I could hear the Voith on the 280.66. Too bad there aren't any other videos of their rides. I would be really glad to hear the sound of the manual ones.
Sanos buses in Osijek seem to be nearly identical to those used by ESHOT except for a few small details like the cap in the front and narrow rear destination boards. Though there is a lack of information about them, which is unfortunate, it seems like the Sanos fleet of GPP Osijek was comprised of a small mixture of S213, S215, S217 and S218 buses. Their S215 and S218 buses, produced in 1995, were the ones nearly identical to those used by ESHOT. S213 and S217 buses produced in 1999 on the other hand, were reminiscent of S218 buses used in Split instead. There is also a unique theoretical story involving a Sanos S218 used by JSP Skopje, namely "803" and its ties with ESHOT. But that is a really intricate and long-forgotten topic for another day. OM 447 and D2866 are equivalent engines, so it is not surprising why Ikarus buses with OM 447 hLA engines had the same unusual door placement. Those engines are as similar as the O405 is to the SL 202. As for Ikarus-Zemun buses... Well, they are strange altogether. But it could simply be that they always had enough room for the engine. As a result, no dramatic change in the design was required. Again, you are welcome. If you have any other questions, we would like to try our best to answer them.
Hejka mam 2 pytania ;) tez jestem mkm i kierowca w miejskiej. Chcialem zapytac czy u was MANy lions city G tez sa takie mułowate i czy mają kickdowna. I fajnie by bylo jak bys mogl napisac z całej floty MZA kture marki maja kickdowna albo sterownik zmiany biegów 123DNR. Dzieki i pozdro ;)
W sumie to Lion's City G nie są takie mułowate (mają kickdowna). Zdarza się, że taki się trafi, ale to są pojedyncze sztuki. Obecnie chyba żaden wóz nie posiada sterownika zmiany biegów 123DNR. Zostały tylko i wyłącznie wozy bez funkcji "hold gear 1, 2, 3".
