Great insight guys. Looking into buying an L322 so yours and the specialist attention to detail, really helps me in my decision making. For a novice, are there any other key issues with the drive experience for people to watch out for?
If you know about these could you answer Henry’s question please? Here’s my 2 pence worth. The 4.4 TDV8 is pretty robust as it’s the last of this generation and mostly everything was sorted by then. Earlier models have weaker gearboxes especially the BMW TD6 which was at its design limit. The egr valves need doing prior to 100k miles and the intercooler on top of the engine can leak. It’s just a matter of testing everything out inc transfer box and low ratios etc. I’ll be doing an ultimate buyers guide but for now I’m still in the research stage. There are others on here that will hopefully comment and help you out. 🙏 Ed
I bought a low mileage Supercharged. Not as economical as the TD but I have others car for that. Supercharged is much more reliable than the TD. No egr issues. Get a full Land Rover specialist check up ahead of any purchase and put aside 10% of the purchase price for any repairs. I had the belts and tensioners changed, transmission service, new spare key and engine service too. Been driving it for a year and a half now without issue. Excellent car. Zero regrets.
@@wrathgar11 The 4.2 S/C is definitely the way to go if you're not doing big miles as it's about as bullet proof an engine as you will ever find in an LR and obviously doesn't suffer the timing chain issues of its 5.0 S/C replacement. They sound amazing with the resonator removed and no drone.
@@wrathgar11 I was bought an ‘06 4.2 supercharged just before Christmas as a present from my wife, with an Overfinch interior upgrade. Mine’s on LPG as well so with almost 50% the fuel cost it is the very best of all worlds lol the performance on gas is stunning and you do not feel any loss of power until you are well over the legal limit for the uk on that I will say no more lol. I just Love the vehicle.
Dont bother i have had three of them non were any good ,I ended up buying a Honda crv its not got the street cred of the Range Rover but build quality and reliability are in another league.
@@stevenbroadbent516 whilst I am a Honda man and had 3 Hondas over the last 15 years and all have been unbelievably reliable - a CRV is not even in the same league as a RR . What the RR loses in reliability it makes up for in pure enjoyment to drive . The interiors are 10x that of a Honda .. if you want trouble free motoring buy a Honda but if you want to love every minute in the car but a RR. FYI - my last Honda got me to 200k miles !! I serviced it ONCE … ONCE 😂
Omg. These are small problems. My 2008 l322 has over 250,000 miles on it..... Taken me 6 months to get her spot on. EGR'S GONE.... Etc.... Now I use her for work. Run up and down the UK.... Love it.... This is a range rover you always have faults.... (I did my apprenticeship with land rover when I was 16. Been working on these for 40 years now)
Hi John. Small indeed. Just didn’t want to be ‘taken for a ride’ paying full retail. Paid £16k, then to have to spend another £3k putting it right just wasn’t going to happen. 😁 There will be issues in the future but this has the potential of being a really good one once sorted. There’s nothing like building in a little drama for RU-vid. 😂😂😂 Ed
In these times of high demand for used vehicles it’s probably easy for them to sell even if their preparation is lacking. I think some dealers also just decide to leave problems and only fix if the customer notices.
You may be right but at least they’ve taken it back to fix. I’ve purposely left them the entire list of faults. We’ll just have to see which ones are addressed. We’ve already covered the key, tow bar and parcel shelf as they were known to us at the time of purchase. Other than that everything else was unknown. Ed
@@Back_Road_Hero Will be interesting to see if they pick up the other items. I suspect they might leave them as they would be considered general wear on a car of this age rather than a fault. The advisory that looked like it was done but hadn’t been is a bit suspicious though.
l322 front flexi hoses were subject to a recall/inspection for that era. There was an issue with some potential splitting. Main dealer did mine free of charge.
Such a shame they tried to pull a fast one but great you knew your rights. I’ve done similar myself over the years and personally always buy from dealer or traders. Always buy full service history too. They are amazing cars, I LOVE my 4.4 tdv8 L322. Once they’re fixed and working there’s nothing that can touch them. Unbeatable. Not crazy expensive to repair either most of the time I’ve just had small niggles and stuff. I hope you have many years of enjoyment with yours. I’m on my 8th LR product, 2nd Range Rover and loving every minute ( except the breakdowns haha )
We’re a year in now. Just had the MOT and servicing done at Bicester Landrover. Video on cost for the year coming soon. Thanks for watching and commenting. Kind regards. Ed
Informative video. We are a dealership ourselves and whilst we try and go the extra mile in terms of preparation, it should also be the case that customer expectations fall in line for an 11 year old car that has covered nearly 90,000 miles. It isn't realistic to expect a full clean bill of health in every area and as long as there are no 'major' issues, rejection should not be the first thought.
Our thoughts exactly. Our conversation was that unless the two major issues were corrected then we would be rejecting the car. We didn’t actually get to that point. However our dealings with the salesperson involved led us to believe that little would be done. Return was only then on the cards. As of today almost all has been put right saving us about £1500 that we would have otherwise had to spend ourselves. I have realistic expectations given it’s 10 years old but the prop shaft and the belts were the issues needing immediate attention. Thanks for commenting. Ed Ps I’ve also owned a used car dealership in the past so can see it from both aspects.
We had concerns due to a recent MOT failure for this issue. We were concerned that all they’d done is to clean them up and grease them. So glad to see it’s been done properly. It will be a good car, we’re just not prepared to pay for something that the dealer should have. Ed
@@Back_Road_Hero fair play to you for pushing it, especially as you paid full price. I expect a lot of folks will find the" lemon" process very interesting and useful. Thanks
It’s dealers like this which give the whole industry a bad name, it’s such a shame and so obvious they knew about some of these things but they work on the principle of if the buyer picks some things up we will look at it and if not it’s a great profit. I have friends who won’t walk into a dealership to buy a new car because they are uncomfortable with the whole process. I do the deals for them. I am pleased you didn’t become another one of their 1000’s of victims.
I’m sure it will. They phoned this morning to confirm that they’ve ordered all the parts. This wasn’t intended to be a ‘name and shame’ but it could also turn about and become a ‘how to put it right’. As an aside it turns out the salesman no longer works there anymore. Ed
Great video, Just goes to show most car dealers have not changed, get the car in and do minimum prep, polish the profit into it, then sell on! I have brought cars from the LR main dealers and found issues when I got them home, but at least you get a years warranty with them. That is why I alway buy private now.
Unfortunately this was a demonstration of how not to buy a car! 😁 Robin had done the deal before I even got word of it. It was damage limitation. I’d advised him just to hand it back for a full refund but he likes the car and wanted to keep it. Now that he’s passed away it’s up to me to look after it, for now. Thanks for watching the videos. Ed
Have you ever watched videos by@high peak autos? He’s a used car dealer and a Range Rover fanatic. Always willing to answer questions about the big cars.
I BOUGHT A RR Sport from this dealer it had a new MOT but the front suspension drop links were rattling the salesman said they had changed the cam belt but there was no paperwork evidence of that. I took it to my RR specialist for a full report and the links appeared to be the only issue. Although I am doubtful that they changed the cam belt but I have had it over a year apart from a very minor £50 repair its been okay and has just passed an independent MOT.
Tbh it seems a bit overpriced for a vogue, alarm bells should of been ringing with bits of trim missing, and the salesmans blatant lies over the stereo illumination. Glad you have taken the right steps to reject the car.
It’s actually in the lower regions of. What they’re commanding at the moment. Belts and prop shaft recoup £1500 of that. Otherwise is a good genuine car. Updates coming soon. Ed
I've got a 2004 l322 4.4 petrol.Had it converted to Lpg.Spent a few grand when I bought it,and now it's tip top.They might be dear to run,but they are very cheap to buy.Apart from the current strange situation regarding 2nd hand car values,under normal circumstances,you could easily lose 50 quid a week in depreciation on a family hatchback.£2500 a year roughly,which could be spent on your RR.No brainer for me(even though it's really my wife's car).
This car was £3k more than when it sold 18 months ago and 8k miles. We found the old advert! It’s a crazy market at the moment but it’s fundamentally a good vehicle. The plan is to have it in the long term so hopefully it will all average out. Ed
Interesting philosophy on car-buying in the UK vs. US. In the US it is HIGHLY recommended to get a pre-purchase inspection (PPI) before you sign a contract, even with a dealer. After that, there is some recourse for returning a car to a dealer in my state (I think 3 days???), but nothing like the laws you guys have. Is a PPI recommended in England as well?
On more specialist and high value cars a ppi is still an option but you’ll pay typically 5% of the value of the car with a minimum and maximum cost. Given the robust ‘lemon’ laws here sometimes it’s just easier to see what you’ve got after purchase. Ed
I think you'll be fine, it will straighten itself out. Problem with LR they need a level of TLC to get over the short comings of the design phase of the vehicles. After seeing the after effects of a various issues, i very much doubt LR ever seasoned any of the castings. If you're looking at a L322 or any LR, ask to have it inspected by a third party, or if you know your nuts & bolts take a torch and have a good look around it, on a lift is heaps better, stick in a OBD scanner, you most likely won't see all errors, but it will give you a heads up.
We did what we could on the test drive. Diagnostics were clear from what we saw. Did all the usual bits but the pulleys were quiet then. It’s a good one no doubt. Just a little pissed at the PDI. Yes it’s old but it’s also £16k+ of our money. I celebrate the used car industry, I used to have a business myself, but it’s the few that stretch it a little that aren’t welcome. Thanks for your comments. It’s about helping others not fall into any traps. Ed
@@Back_Road_Hero 100% agree with you, money is hard to come by, for sure too many Del Boy dealers out there, always trying a fast one. A pal bought a TD5, the exhaust manifold was like a banana, they had tried to over tighten it, to stop the leak, safe to say it didn't work.
It may be listed as 3.5 ton towing but having experience in towing over a vast number of vehicles I would suggest you do not hook 3.5 tons to the hitch and think for one min it is just going to sit there be prepared for a rough ride / I dont wish this upon you but towing 3.5 tons is not an easy thing no matter how good the trailer is I do not allow my drivers to pull anything over 2 ton behind a 4x4 and yes we have a few including a rRangie hilux and ashogun / I do not allow anything over 2 ton behind any of these if there is something heavy to move they take a 7.5 tonner and hang it behind anything off road is handled by the unimog
Demanding owners with new car expectations ultimately lead to dealers scrapping cars - saw this with BMW e38s 10 years ago. Shame really as it’s unviable to retail prep such old cars vs their value in parts / export value etc.
@@Back_Road_Hero Lots of e38s went to Russia to be broken for parts, often the alloys on the cars particularly in e38 case could be 2/3 of cars value. Ie m parallel alloys. It’s happening now to Focus STs.
Interesting video,,, I've been a Range Rover owner / driver for over 35 years and love them. I think like most vechiles, if you look after them, there no different to most makes. Certainly stay away from LR main dealers, but I've had other ( 2nd cars) Fords etc that have been as much trouble as my Rangies. My daughter had a Vauxhall Astra brand new and that needed three cluthes and other problems in it before Vauxhalls themselves refunded her the full cost of the car back,,,,, and her current Ford Focus, again brand new, 69 plate has been back to Fords three times with the same fault,,,
Agree with you totally about daughters. They cause all sorts of trouble! 😂😂 I’m a big JLR fan and we’ve had quite a few over the years. Thanks for commenting. Ed
If you wanted a New Vehicle you should have bought one,the problem is everyone wants a new vehicle for very little money and it’s just not possible,these vehicles are very costly New and maintain,the secondhand ones are bought by people who cannot afford these vehicles in reality but like to ride around in them to impress people then find out just what is involved in maintaining them. I have run a lot of Range Rovers over the years,some brilliant others not so but they are beautiful to drive and be in,nothing I have ever owned comes close to a RR but they are expensive to repair if you go to the main agents, all vehicles have their faults and RR are no different just don’t expect an £80,000 car for £6000-00 to be perfect because your going to be bitterly disappointed,trying to run one of these vehicles on a shoestring is just NOT POSSIBLE and your a Brave or Foolish person to try,the insurance and road tax is high plus the fuel cost and maintenance costs all adds up so be prepared to spend a few quid if it’s required,their NOT cheap to run.
We paid £16k for it David and fully realise the expense in ownership as it’s not our first one either. I’m also an Airline Captain so you might also assume that I might even be able to afford a new one as well. Thanks for your comments though. Ed
@@Back_Road_Hero My daughter has just bought a 12 month old Velar 3litre diesel with few miles on the clock from a main dealer, I’ve told her to put a Land Rover extended warranty on it as soon as the manufacturers warranty is up because the 3litre has had problems with the crankshafts snapping and destroying the engine costing thousands of pounds to replace which would be a disaster if it happened to her,you have got a good job on good money but it still comes as a terrible shock when something like that happens, I’ve just paid £3500-00 for a gearbox to be overhauled on a Discovery 4 I purchased privately with 130,000 miles on the clock but that’s the chance you take when buying second hand. I did not mean to insult you in anyway but people buy these vehicles that are 12 years old and expect them to run like new and they don’t. Paying £16,000 for one is NOT loose change and you have every right to expect a decent vehicle for that money,I wish you all the best with yours,just keep the engine oil changed regularly because if those turbo oil return pipes block up with carbon you’ll be looking at a £5000-00 plus bill for 2turbos to be fitted.
This is what winds me up. Car dealers want to sell nice cars such as this but they fall under the same consumer laws as new cars. No just right they didn’t come and get it off you - if you want it fixed you bring it to them. If you’re afraid of repair bills then don’t buy a Range Rover 🤦🏼♂️ they’re fantastic , but they’re complicated luxury cars and they need maintaining. If you were going to go back to the dealer, the polite thing to do would have offered to split the bill. The laws are far too in-favour of the customers
Dane it needed an aux belt service BEFORE it was offered for sale. Any car should be serviced before putting it on the forecourt. Simple. I’m not apologising for my actions. We paid too price and it should have been sorted.
Honestly what do you expect buying a 12yr old range rover for 15% of its new value. Fair enough things like the fuel filler not opening should be fixed, but the rest of it.. it's a *very* used car.. you need to have realistic expectations of what condition a car that's basically on its last legs is going to be in. Classic champagne tastes and lemonade money..
We don’t all want to buy a new one Max. The two things we objected to were the belts needed changing which it had no record of and were squeaking and the failed rear prop shaft bearing. It was returned for those reasons alone. All is now fixed and we’re happy with the car. It just should have been inspected more thoroughly. It only has 88k miles on it. Hardly on it’s last legs? Ed
Anyone describing a £70k plus 12 year old car as on its last legs is clearly a very wasteful person...... A 12 year old Lexus would still be bomb proof and working almost as good as new. Landrover doesn't know how to build reliable cars but you accept that when you buy one of their poorly built cars.
The fact the garage lied to you in the first place is a stark warning, you should have walked away in the first instance, someone who lies about small things will obviously lie about major stuff, you being a ex dealer you should know this.
The issue I had was that my father in law who was purchasing the car was ultra keen and had already placed a deposit on it before viewing. Something I knew nothing about until on the viewing day. Major spanner in the works which I was trying to mitigate for him. Ed
Great spot. It came up on the HPi check. I’m pretty sure it’s for the steering rack attachment points. Only came out in December I believe. I was waiting to get it back before delving deeper. Ed
@@Back_Road_Hero I found it on the gov mot check, I was looking at this Range, sadly so many car traders be it in a nice big show room or sole trader are the same, I had a struggle getting my deposit back on a Q7 not so long ago.
We paid £16k. Top retail money for a Vogue spec but we loved the colour combo and the mileage wasn’t too big at 88k. There also a latest update video in the playlist. Thanks for subscribing. Ed
@@Back_Road_Hero ahhh ok so it’s a replacement part jobby not just a fuse replacement or something silly like that can’t find anything online about this issue elsewhere
I only noticed mine wasn’t working today after watching your video I would have never noticed otherwise so many thanks and keep up the good content mate
Hi Kenneth. Part of the appeal really. With the mot being a government run thing ‘back home’ it’s more strictly enforced. It spent time there at the Manor House. The plate was already on it when purchased.
Hi, I have been following your channel for a while and now I'm the one with faulty L322. I bought the car 20 days ago and ever since the car has that problem where some "electrical issue" is draining the battery in 2-3 days when the car is in stand still. I called the dealer and he took the car back 3 times already. 3 days ago I was told it is fixed, but today I got the message "Low Battery, please start engine". I have already messaged the dealer, but I can already tell he is becoming less and less keen to fix the issue. What are my options, can I just say that if they won't fix it permanently in 30 days from the purchase date, I want a full refund? (As that would be the best, but the V5C form is already with DVLA)... Anyone, please advise.
You’ve given them ample opportunity already to fix it. Within 30 days you can reject it on the basis that it’s unfit for purpose and not in a condition that an average person would expect. They don’t have a right to have a go at fixing it. After 30 days your rights diminish. They might mess you about to cross this threshold. If I were you I’d just return it. Sounds like an issue that you’ll be chasing forever. It’s not your problem at this stage it’s theirs. Just write to them and say you’d like to exercise your rights to return the vehicle as you can’t leave it parked for more than a few days. Imagine if you went on holiday? You can expect full payment within 14 days of return. Sorry to hear you’re having trouble as they’re great cars but you don’t want to saddled with this. Email them but back that up by sending a letter registered post so you can confirm delivery. Say that the V5 will be forwarded to them as soon as you receive it but it usually doesn’t take that long, I’m surprised you haven’t received it already. Ed Ps links to the Consumer Rights Act 2015 are in the description to my ‘Avoiding Lemons’ video. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ggdbfi_9FyM.html
@@Back_Road_Hero Hi Ed, thank you for that. I would really like to keep the car, but I'm just worried that if I won't return it in 30 days I'm going to stuck with it (like you said). Return it is. Thank you for your response and all the videos. Keep up good work!
@@Back_Road_Hero Ed I'm going to return the car on Saturday as I was having a trouble with star the engine today again. Can I expect from the seller to reimburse me for a full tank of diesel (£140), replaced tail gate straps and the rear light, as I've fixed them myself? I can imagine it is not going to eb an easy conversation for any of us, but I cannot be left alone with a car like this.
Another great video. Cannot wait for the next installment. Absolutely agree with you regarding a dealership purchase. You should not have to go through all this. I don't think many places honour the PDI and other so called 110 point checklists. I purchased a 3 year old car some years ago from a well known dealer. I decided to get it inspected by the AA for my piece of mind... something you should not have to do... They came back and told me the car shouldn't legally be for sale. The front windscreen washer jet was misaligned and the rear tyres were of a different size to the front! The dealer was reluctant to let me inspect the car as it's a hassle for them and they have to have the car up on ramps for the inspection us allow the inspector a 6 mile drive. Moral of the story is that you cannot trust anybody, it's a sad state of affairs.
It’s not like we don’t have the money, far from it. It’s about your rights as a buyer to get what is reasonably expected, whether 2 years old or 10. My most recent acquisition today is 25 years old and bought at auction. My perspective is somewhat different with that one. Thanks for commenting. Ed
My 2012 tdv6 currently has an issue which where the rear driver side suspension does not sit. It says something is blocking it from sitting down but i have had it on the lifts and cant find anything. Anyone have any clue what it could be before i finally give up and send it to the dealers
Not sure exactly but sounds like a blockage or valve issue. Here’s a good place to start. 4x4airseals.com/product/land-rover-l322-range-rover-discovery-3-4-r-r-sport-valve-block-solenoids-oring-repair-kit
My question is did you buy this knowing it had the issues. Ie could hear squeals. Could feel clunking on lifting off. You obviously knew only one key. So did you buy so you could do these videos? If not why did you buy it if you werent happy with them before you purchased it? All JLRS are money pits.
Of course I don’t expect it to be faultless. But I’d like to get it close, eventually. Sorry if it came across that way. We knew we’d have to spend the money on the missing bits ourselves. All we expected was that we didn’t have to spend thousands to bring it up to a reasonably safe condition. Something the dealer should have done, but unfortunately they sometimes they either overlook or don’t notice. Ed
Thanks Ed. I didn’t expect to have to pay £1500 to have it sorted. It should be in good condition. Had I bought from auction or privately then of course I’d be liable to fix it. That’s what laws are for! Ed
@@modmod392 Jaguar Land Rover products are no worse and in my view more reliable then the competition. I’ve had loads and been in the motor trade for years. If you want super unreliability go and get a Audi!
You should have went to Land Rover and bought a brand new one, You can definitely replace the coupling on the prob shaft I've done one recently. Your specialist is ripping the hole out you. Buyers remorse on your part, Looking for every reason to reject the vehicle if you ask me.
If you had bought it at auction for 10.999 like he did you could have spent the 1800 quid at the specialist Rrover dealers and still been 3k in pocket instead of the dealer getting is back street garage to do the repair?
Its an old complicated car, keep it long enough and it will empty your wallet, all proper land rovers are great cars, crap but great at the same time! Pretty shonky mot history as well.
@@Back_Road_Hero I was going off the reg number, I always check mot history, shows if the owner treats the mot test as a sort of service and shows if they are afraid to spend money, most old range rovers owners are very afraid to spend money, basically champagne taste beer income.
You truly are a nightmare customer. It's a 10 yo machine with an amazing amount of tech on it that can break. These things are inetivable and normal when buying used. You are trying to get a new car experience on a used car budget. It's aggrevating really, when you bought the car I'm sure you could have payed an independant mechanic to come look over the car and I bet the dealer would've had no problem with that. But you didnt, instead they're forced to take back a car with extra miles and possible wear thanks to some BS law. Sorry to say this but I really find this a horrid practise, a grown man takes responsability for his choice and shouldn't be sheltered like a minor from making potential bad decisions.
I take it you’re a trader? You watched it then? To the end? If you’d bothered then you’d realise we sent it back only for auxiliary belts and prop bearing. We still have it but I wasn’t going to spend £1500 on something that should have been done before being presented for sale. Things that should have been done at pdi. I’m an ex trader myself and am pissed off when a dealer just washes a vehicle and passes it on for a massive profit. Hoping that the unsuspecting customer won’t notice. Don’t jump to conclusions without knowing all the facts or watching to the end. Many won’t react to insults like yours, but I’m not one of the ‘many’. Ed
. Just enjoy the car, remember you've not bought a new vehicle, But a used one. Yes theres some niggles with it, seems you may have a little buyer's remorse? I'm not having a go, just an observation. And I repair these daily, I love them.
When you start to spot things then the ask yourself what else is wrong. The ‘drama’ might have been a little overdone for the purposes of the series. Ha iBid had the prop shaft and belts done were now in a much better position for long term ownership. Thanks for watching and commenting. Ed
