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As an employer , I can honestly tell you that the main issue with those from local schools is that they don't know how to present themselves . In the private sector , communication skill and your ability to present your thoughts in a succinct manner (in English ) is very very important . This is the one thing that local grads lack
This is prejudice perception. I know many local grads who can make good presentation in multi-lingual. Talks can bring you where you want to be, but knowledge and skill are what make you sustain.
Look at how the teacher present himself, how can he accept himself being published this way and don’t feel anything wrong about it?! Also, how can the whole production team accept the way their production presented to public?
I never enrol in kindergarten,never have tuition,school in rural area,i have to copy my friend reference book,i learn english thru dictionary n and listen to english boy band.from primary to secondary all gov.school..but at the end ,i end up work at top architecture firm in my state.but i agreed with ur point,most graduate is lack or should i say,too shy to converse in english,but not only local,same goes to private uni.so,it really depend on the person,not from where he/she graduated.
我上过两者，我觉得BBK找错嘉宾了，读国际学校的嘉宾说好处是：人脉，学好英文，更多元化？？ 我的天哪！这和炫富有什么两样😂 我最大的感受是国际学校比政府学校提供更完善的未来规划，每个学生都会有case by case 的辅导帮助学生客制化未来规划方向，而且还会follow up，确保你有在正确的轨道上。其次，我觉得最重要的是思辨能力，政府学校考试，打个比方你的points多就能拿更高分。国际学校更注重的不是背你的points，而是去理解为什么这个是答案。懂的思辨懂得辨认懂得表达更重要。说到思辨能力，免不了辩论能力，当某人在阐述自己辩论的point，有些人不懂得辩论当事人说的point反而是去攻击一个人本身的问题或是背景，虽然不是所有人也有大多数是基于家庭背景，国际学校有教如何运用思辨能力来辩论一个论点，如果你去国外大学会很有帮助。共勉之。
This is a wrong statement. I used my SPM result to enter US 4 years university (not community college/ foundation/a level/additional exams/etc). And I'm not a straight A student as well. Just need to depend on your result too.
很赞同江老师的观点，很多大人都会说，这些现在学了，以后都不会用到的。但是，每次在让孩子们明白读书的重要性的时候，我都会跟他们解释，学习是为了塑造我们成为一个懂得逻辑思考和解决问题的人。例如学习数学是训练我们的逻辑思维，学习语言（国语、华语和英语）是为了以后能够跟他人更有效的沟通，也比较多工作机会等等。这样跟孩子们解释，他们能更加主动地去学习，而不是为了考试而学习。 国际学校 vs 政府学校，有利也有弊，我觉得还是要依照一个家庭的经济状况和孩子的学习方式。有些孩子的学习方式，念国际学校能让他们在小班制且老师更能专注的班级里学习，何乐而不为。当然，念政府学校，我们也希望孩子们能在学校的环境下学会自律。国际学校还是政府学校，只要一心为教育的都是好学校，所以要慎选。 ^_^
我本身SPM，英国degree，澳洲MBA。打工赚钱也是不错的收入。所以我从来没有想过要让孩子去国际学校。原因只有一个，returns on investment。 我觉得拿个good university first class honors强过所有中小学国际学校。Again, from the returns on investment perspective. 如果你有initiatives。networking到处都能build，这是一项长期的技能。做家长的千万不要让孩子在学校里去特地交有钱有势家庭的朋友。别以为你的孩子已经是在人家的圈子里了。
Ppl always say a car gets you from A to B, all cars do that.. but still a Proton and a European luxury car.. (assuming you can afford both or it's won from Lucky draw.. ) most ppl will still go for the other one..a Malaysian University or a Foreign University.. The argument is always revolving around cost for SPM and Local Malaysian University.. while the international school students dun talk about Costs, they talk about opportunities.. because to them.. cost isn't an issue since they can already afford it.
Yea, according to the people I knew who used to study in international schools, their parents sent them there primarily for the connection, then the education 😶
To some employers, local graduates, especially Chinese are much better then those from private colleges or universities. The reason is that it is much difficult to get into local universities compared to those privates where you can just pay to get in
It could be the case whereby their parents for some reason have not enough funds to send their children overseas for further studies? There are cases like this and they are stuck in a limbo.
For me, the main difference between these two is the time taken to complete the studies. I'm personally a SPM student, when through STPM and now currently doing goverment U and expecting to be graduated when I am 24. But I had friends who completed their IGCSE when they were 16, done their foundation at 17 and gradutated with a degree when they are 20. Not saying one is better than the other, but if you are sure of what you want when you are young and wish to experience life sooner, IGCSE may be better. But different people have different needs so it really depends.
What Yi Lai mentioned is called a Degree Apprenticeship in the UK, it is the similar to vocational colleges in Malaysia, where you learn plumbing and get plumbing certification for example. The distinction being the apprenticeship being in more "professional" areas for example, a civil engineering apprentice. The benefits for companies are that they get to develop their incoming workforce with skills they need at an early stage, and the they also secure their future workforce where the apprentice is expected to continue on at the company. Apprentices benefits by getting a fully paid for university degree on top of securing a job.
Foreigners can also masuk local U, but they have to pay International fee. If Malayisan wanna masuk local U without SPM, you have to pay International fee also (no subsidy). That's all.
Very good forum for a great issues concerning our education system! Cheers to both of you for conducting such a forum, keep it up and will be your loyal supporter always!
很多本地華人，認為學簡單的馬來文就夠用了，想花多點時間在英文，也不想負擔天價的學費，私人學校是個不錯的選擇。我住的蒲種區，就是越來越多這種考IGCSE的私人學校。 IGCSE有一個好處，可以根據自己的語文程度來選擇報考三種不同程度的試卷。 最難的是有古文的first language 普通夠用的是second language 還有相當簡單，像一年級程度的foreign language。 每個人可以根據自己的能力和需要，去選擇報考。這樣就不會浪費時間在一些自己不需要的學習上。
I understand that mastering English is 1 of the reasons why their parents send them to international school but they can still master it by studying at local school while attending intensive English classes offered by renowned language centres like Cambridge. It's a much cheaper alternative in the long run. Anyway, I urge all students to master this language coz if u can't speak at least passable English, u won't be able to perform well during job interviews due to lack of confidence in future. And even if u did pass the interview, would u have the confidence to do numerous presentations or sharing yr ideas during the meeting? I see a lot of working adults struggle with it right now.
Personally, I went to a Chinese primary school for 6 years, then SMK for another 5 years with an SPM certificate. My parents were both English-educated and couldn't afford international school fees, although they'd like me to experience more and meet internationally-minded people. Not gonna lie; my father preferred me to go to an international school if he had the means to send me and my sister to take IGCSE. Nevertheless, because I learned languages faster and spoke English with my parents growing up, it's easier for me to attend A-levels and law school without struggling too much in learning in British English. I could've benefitted WAY WAY MORE from the international exposure and the facilities, plus the teaching methods international schools would've given based on my limited knowledge. Hey, you can always take the initiative to learn independently if you're a local school student. Sure, we don't get a lot of the opportunities and privileges of international school students, but I think it grounded me in reality with my friends who are of similar middle working-class backgrounds.
那是一个 system to separate the ELITES and commoners. 就是这样 价格方面最好 ‘不要给普通人负担得起’。 Higher PROBABILITIES to establish TIES/connection with the High NET WORTH families or Royal families. Best example: Jho Low. 普通人这会 脑袋里想到在国际学校/注名大学考好成绩。 上流社会 是要他们的孩子跟 高管，大集团的孩子 做 BEST BUDDY/ BFF.
For the vast majority of the time, the main reasons for putting children in expensive schools is brand name and networking opportunities. Listen to a comment made by Conan O'Brien. He went to Harvard. What did he say about Harvard? "Not much different from other university's, but a lot of wealthy families". As you step into society, you also realize that brand name plays a very important role for stepping foot into prestigious careers, and as you advance in your professional life, you realize it's less about what you know, but more about who you know.
其实马来西亚的教育制度我真的觉得很好了🥹从小学开始就很多分流让家长or学生去选择学校，国小华小淡小，国中独中国际学校 homeschooling之类的。而且政府的平等教育也是不错，国中生也有翻身的机会可以念到很优秀的政府大学（那个quota的制度就不说了hahaha）。撇除欧美这些教育制度很完善的国家，就说超级卷的韩国，中国，台湾等等，他们的高考，学测的真的卷死人不偿命，甚至间接导致生育率下降的问题。其实as a Malaysian 我真的觉得很不错了～
Interesting topic and good points raised up. Note to BBK in the future: 1. Please have ALL YOUR MALE GUESTS TO SIT PROPERLY with closed leg position. This suggestion should be obligatory to all of your male guests. Seriously, It is disappointing to see a male school teacher sitting like that during the interview. Very uncultured and disrespectful. 2. So far all the female guests featured know how to sit properly 👍 But in the future, for your female guests who wear short skirts, it is good to provide a blanket cover for their modesty when they sit down. Even Korean talk shows they offer this for all of their female guests they interview.
仅我个人言论哈 其实国际校的IGCSE和政府校的SPM区别还是有的 因为有些学生可能学习能力比较强，注意关键词哈“有些”，他们是被允许拿igcse的同时还进行alevel的哈，所以我觉得igcse的变通性会更强一些，其次就是论难度两者是相差不大的，但是两者我觉得在考试中最大的区别就是问答方式以及考试时长，if我没有记错的话igcse的考试时间overall是短于spm的，还有就是igcse的问答方式相对来说也没有那么直接，但是有些syllabus是spm有的ig是没有的，但是有些ig有的spm是没有的，比方说spm有normal distribution我当时考的ig是没有考到这门课的，但是ig的differentiation or integration里会有cos sin tan 或者log In这些，当时我记得我朋友跟我说spm是没有的啦，so我觉得两者的区别还是蛮大的。
