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In this episode, our panelists dive into the dynamic playstyle of Draymond Green and Desmond Bane's "Dap It Out" move. They debate LeBron James' legacy, considering him one of the greatest athletes of all time. The discussion extends to the panelists' own sports careers and the challenges they faced growing up. NBA Guards are ranked, and the most influential guard in NBA history is debated. The panel also delves into Cade Cunningham's talent within a struggling team. Guest panelist Pen reveals his Top 10 players of all time and the criteria behind his choices. Tune in for insightful sports discussions and expert opinions!
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0:04:31 LeBron James is one of the greatest athlete of all-time
0:22:15 Panelists’ sports careers& sports they found difficult growing up
0:35:01 Thoughts on NBA Guards ranking list so far
0:45:56 Ranking NBA Guards
1:07:56 Derrick White is better than Desmond Bane
1:13:20Ranking NBA Guards
1:24:33 Most influential guard in the NBA history
1:34:12 Superchats
1:36:12 Ranking NBA Guards
1:44:47 Cade Cunningham is a good player in a bad situation
2:04:27 Ranking NBA Guards
2:19:02 Malik Monk is top 3 half court playmaking guard in the league?
2:23:20 Ranking NBA Guards
2:28:40 Superchats
2:40:43 Pen’s Top 10 players of all-time & criteria
2:57:29 Superchats
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@pensarebasketball
@pensarebasketball 3 месяца назад
Also I just want to provide some context on the Malik Monk take. Malik Monk is leading the entire NBA in assists per game on half court drives. He has more than SGA, more than Hali, more than Luka. And he's doing this in 26mpg. The reason I backed off the take is because I think that 1. Playing off the bench is advantageous because he's cooking worse players usually than his counterparts. 2. He is playing off of an ELITE system with great motion and I think it helps. Malik is stupidly underrated. I walked back on top 3 because my eyes tell me there are guys who pass better than him in theory. But no one has been more effective this year than him. Its like saying.. Grayson Allen is the best 3 point shooter in the NBA for the season, but then having to debate if hes a better shooter than Steph and Dame. Hes not. But he's shooting better.
@nykareem2001
@nykareem2001 3 месяца назад
Open minded people appreciated the take the first time. Keep cooking these scrubs
@CowbellkingdomTV
@CowbellkingdomTV 3 месяца назад
Malik Monk is the BEST PLAYMAKER on the Kings... And I cover the Kings... Some of these dudes just don't watch the Kings play and it's okay...
@CowbellkingdomTV
@CowbellkingdomTV 3 месяца назад
Malik Monk is an ELITE PLAYMAKER.... Assists on 16.9% of his drives-highest in the ENTIRE NBA. Despite only playing 26.3 MPG he gets more assists on drives than guys like Luka, SGA, Trae, Hali, etc. Electric speed & pull-up threat creates advantages over & over again. I watch the guy play every night at every home game and away...
@coogibandanna
@coogibandanna Месяц назад
Ya list trash FoH
@jamesb7644
@jamesb7644 3 месяца назад
I’m suprised Pen top 10 wasn’t based on VORP it seemed very important to him
@kuramakurta9780
@kuramakurta9780 3 месяца назад
Pen went from 3 star to 0 star real quick
@theprophet9656
@theprophet9656 3 месяца назад
Yeah, it's not his best episode. He 1/2
@Jackboy_dre152
@Jackboy_dre152 3 месяца назад
That’s Man Is 🚮
@Isolatedsuccess
@Isolatedsuccess 3 месяца назад
Yeah no Kobe top 10 based on his criteria is actually so inconsistent omg
@Abhinav-mpeg4
@Abhinav-mpeg4 3 месяца назад
@@theprophet9656nah Pen is 0/2 you can’t give him any credit for the 1st appearance either where he was condescending to Ox and Domo, trying to belittle Marz, and race baiting Slim. I’m not even done with this vid but from the comments and what I saw myself yesterday, Pen is a certified goofball as Chill says.
@theprophet9656
@theprophet9656 3 месяца назад
@@Abhinav-mpeg4 ill have to relisten
@victorvic4659
@victorvic4659 3 месяца назад
I respect Penn opinion,he might be wrong but he has his individual points.
@LonelyHoops
@LonelyHoops 2 месяца назад
He doesn’t, he’s basing it around arbitrary stats that he favours without contexts, playmaking talent is a literal stat that you can read which values monk as one of the best in the league. And using team record and vorp to measure a guy whose been injured is insane. No respect for opinions that are arrogantly believe through horrible process.
@tayluc777
@tayluc777 3 месяца назад
I appreciate Marz even more although I troll him, he never throws out random stats with no context despite having that label.
@MarzTalksSports
@MarzTalksSports 3 месяца назад
thankyou
@itszaaaamzeh
@itszaaaamzeh 3 месяца назад
I seen Marz say Shaq shot better from the field than Kobe therefore he more efficient I know Marz game he just be fooling y'all
@Slitherman96
@Slitherman96 3 месяца назад
@@itszaaaamzeh that's basically what that means in your case lmao
@joey_cash
@joey_cash 3 месяца назад
@@itszaaaamzehShaq was more efficient than Kobe, what are you on about
@itszaaaamzeh
@itszaaaamzeh 3 месяца назад
@@joey_cash dis why I know ball and y'all don't smh
@AliasThomas5k
@AliasThomas5k 3 месяца назад
i didn’t know that dirk and kg was better than hakeem and kobe all time💀
@lovinskidorsainvil5432
@lovinskidorsainvil5432 3 месяца назад
Yea in one of the multiverse just not this one
@BigBankJab
@BigBankJab 3 месяца назад
That’s because they not, and I have great respect for KG’s game especially but he’s not seeing Hakeem or Kobe. Neither is Dirk even though that 2011 run is a top 10 performance of all time.
@nykareem2001
@nykareem2001 3 месяца назад
They both peaked higher
@caidinbrownfield8335
@caidinbrownfield8335 3 месяца назад
than hakeem? lol@@nykareem2001
@hamedkane1298
@hamedkane1298 3 месяца назад
Better than dream hell noooo but better than Kobe maybe lol😂😂😂
@dukebaylocks
@dukebaylocks 3 месяца назад
Marz vs. Penn this episode 🔥
@samdunn8596
@samdunn8596 3 месяца назад
pen hate crazy we talking about the marginal disagreements between guards if u like Cade u like Cade if u don’t you don’t there’s no way to differentiate between a guy on a losing team and a winning team it’s all head canon at that point
@taquaywhite4503
@taquaywhite4503 3 месяца назад
If you’re going to make a claim someone isn’t as good as someone else believes, and the first thing you run to is team success. Respectfully you’re stupid
@MarzTalksSports
@MarzTalksSports 3 месяца назад
if i speak im in big trouble
@bilawalk
@bilawalk 3 месяца назад
in the great words of chill, GET THIS DUDE PENN OUTTA HERE
@farhansarkar2394
@farhansarkar2394 3 месяца назад
You were being a little OD with the VORP joke.
@itszaaaamzeh
@itszaaaamzeh 3 месяца назад
Pen would COOK you one on one Marz 💯💯💯💯
@itszaaaamzeh
@itszaaaamzeh 3 месяца назад
​@@farhansarkar2394 Marz is a scumbag Chill been told y'all this
@MarzTalksSports
@MarzTalksSports 3 месяца назад
@@farhansarkar2394 Oh well
@matthewharewood2245
@matthewharewood2245 3 месяца назад
WE WANT LOWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
@jamesb7644
@jamesb7644 3 месяца назад
Pen had the nerve to say Cade wasn’t a 3 star guard , said Cade can’t shoot the mid range, said he is a 6 man at best, and said Cade isn’t the best player on the team while he claimed to watch 40 Pistons games wow the sheer stupidity should almost be applauded
@strongbone9471
@strongbone9471 3 месяца назад
Do you think he can be a starter on a championship team currently?
@DeeJay_VII
@DeeJay_VII 3 месяца назад
@@strongbone9471yes lol
@itszaaaamzeh
@itszaaaamzeh 3 месяца назад
@@DeeJay_VII I'm not starting Cade in Boston or Denver personally and those the only two I see making it to the chip.
@farhansarkar2394
@farhansarkar2394 3 месяца назад
​@@DeeJay_VIIIf he's a starter that means he has to be either your primary or secondary ball handler. So he's gonna get a lot of touches.
@TheKloair23
@TheKloair23 3 месяца назад
he's not wrong... understand value over replacement value...
@itszaaaamzeh
@itszaaaamzeh 3 месяца назад
That Cade convo gonna come back to haunt some people when he starts to have expectations
@farhansarkar2394
@farhansarkar2394 3 месяца назад
I don't think he's that great either tbh, especially when considering Pen's standard for a three star player was a starter on a championship team. I'm not sure how I feel about a contender with Cade as the leading guard. I still think he's gonna be an all star though.
@itszaaaamzeh
@itszaaaamzeh 3 месяца назад
​@@farhansarkar2394I have no stake on this I think the convo had such a stark difference of sides that it'll be funny to look back on
@farhansarkar2394
@farhansarkar2394 3 месяца назад
​@@itszaaaamzehOh I gotchu.
@shotspotter7882
@shotspotter7882 3 месяца назад
If You don’t think he’s good just say that
@itszaaaamzeh
@itszaaaamzeh 3 месяца назад
@@shotspotter7882 lmao? I just pointed out expectations cause we're at a point in Cade's career where it wouldn't matter whether he's as good or as bad as people say he is cause he's on the poorest situation in the league barring maybe Washington.
@E1lMagoVal10
@E1lMagoVal10 3 месяца назад
The way some members of the panel react to disagreement or difference of opinion at times is borderline childish, and I'm 15. And the constant interruption is unbearable at times, you guys are grown men lol, waiting for your turn to cook shouldn't be hard.
@sage9510
@sage9510 3 месяца назад
You're 15
@worldwide_basketball_fan
@worldwide_basketball_fan 3 месяца назад
I applaud your maturity bro and completely believe you. But with that being said, you could be relatively new because it was MUCH MUCH MUCH worse than this before 2024, because of one person primarily who appears to be banished thankfully
@DirtyDev
@DirtyDev 3 месяца назад
It used to be quite worse
@farhansarkar2394
@farhansarkar2394 3 месяца назад
​@@worldwide_basketball_fanWith Ticket it was for entertainment, this felt intentionally disrespectful.
@shaun2148
@shaun2148 3 месяца назад
if you think this is bad you should’ve been here when ticket was on the show 😭
@maxavelli6155
@maxavelli6155 3 месяца назад
Pens list was unique and I appreciate his definition of greatness.
@Indycityc
@Indycityc 3 месяца назад
We can’t have domo, gifted, and Marz on at the same time. The immaturity is too high
@bishopwittenmyer5319
@bishopwittenmyer5319 Месяц назад
“I studied the stats, I have a stats degree” 😅 come one bruh
@TheDON914
@TheDON914 9 дней назад
Special ed
@joey_cash
@joey_cash 3 месяца назад
Pen was extra trash today but I KNOW gifted ain’t up here trying to bully someone 😂
@SilentYosef
@SilentYosef 3 месяца назад
Gifted says a whole lot of nothing
@SPSol
@SPSol 3 месяца назад
Marz entering his villain arc. Man is becoming kind of an insufferable bully.
@MarzTalksSports
@MarzTalksSports 3 месяца назад
bully? all i did was joke ab vorp for half an hour. now im an insufferable bully
@SPSol
@SPSol 3 месяца назад
Just your energy as of late towards some guests and other panelists. Example calling others stupid. I tend to agree with most your takes but the belittling of someone else for having a different opinion is just taking away from some of the enjoyment.
@MarzTalksSports
@MarzTalksSports 3 месяца назад
@@SPSol Honesty isnt the best policy i see
@SPSol
@SPSol 3 месяца назад
Just seems unnecessary and very TicketTV like
@MarzTalksSports
@MarzTalksSports 3 месяца назад
@@SPSol yeah from now on when i hear stupid things i wont say its stupid
@a1jay124
@a1jay124 3 месяца назад
Damn pen I was rocking with you heavy fr. Keep it up tho
@zedey
@zedey 3 месяца назад
Loved the vulnerability you showed at the beginning Marz - great to get some insight into your life
@newzay50
@newzay50 3 месяца назад
I hope swipa is not suppose to be the ticket replacement. He cut people off with basketball ref stats and his trash talk is as basic as a blank sheet of paper bro be who u was in your first apperance
@shotspotter7882
@shotspotter7882 3 месяца назад
Who he was in his first appearance wasn’t really him frm the getgo
@vicflacko
@vicflacko 3 месяца назад
Ticket should comeback
@newzay50
@newzay50 3 месяца назад
@@shotspotter7882 i figured but hes a cheeseball though godbless him doe
@l3gendarysage293
@l3gendarysage293 3 месяца назад
Pen really had a linsanity run yesterday he fooled everyone
@BlkStar99
@BlkStar99 3 месяца назад
Man had 20 yesterday then put up an 0-12 performance
@l3gendarysage293
@l3gendarysage293 3 месяца назад
@@BlkStar99 he had a tj Warren bubble type of run yesterday and looked like killian hayes today
@trevon444
@trevon444 3 месяца назад
The panel really put the diamond tester on guest if they on for multiple episodes. Realistically that’s 6 hours of high level basketball talk you gotta know your stuff if you don’t it shows very quickly
@fortheloveofthegame7412
@fortheloveofthegame7412 3 месяца назад
Mars breaking his fast with his hoodie string wasn’t expected 😮
@imbetter14
@imbetter14 3 месяца назад
Hes muslim?
@MarzTalksSports
@MarzTalksSports 3 месяца назад
@@imbetter14mashallah
@officerricky3230
@officerricky3230 3 месяца назад
“Keep eating them chips…” 😅
@DirtyDev
@DirtyDev 3 месяца назад
😂😂 Pen is a crashout fr
@kuramakurta9780
@kuramakurta9780 3 месяца назад
Some people really calling it bullying when the panel checks new nembers lol Sounds sensitive to me
@DameFreshTV
@DameFreshTV 3 месяца назад
i enjoyed pen on the show today. they disagreed with him, but all of his takes were rooted in some type of logic. he also stood on his square against the mob.
@sickoji7762
@sickoji7762 3 месяца назад
send Cade to a team with proper spacing and a real system and he looks so much better, not even prime lebron could save this pistons team man
@pensarebasketball
@pensarebasketball 3 месяца назад
You need to google some of LeBrons early Cavs rosters before you start putting Cade in these goofy conversations man.
@noblevenom2858
@noblevenom2858 3 месяца назад
Pistons with prime LeBron are in the playoffs and probably a top seed in the east. Don’t be ridiculous
@elitemidrange
@elitemidrange 3 месяца назад
@@pensarebasketballWhich of Lebron’s rosters were this bad? 🤔
@pensarebasketball
@pensarebasketball 3 месяца назад
@@elitemidrange k.. you gotta be kidding me right now. Look at Bron's rookie roster. Also, just for context -- LeBron after 3 years: 21.4 VORP. Cade 1.2 VORP LeBron after 3 years: 35.6 win shares. Cade after 3 years: 1.2 win shares If we're talking Bron and Cade, we're not talking. He has more in common with Ricky Davis. Also, just for context. Ricky Davis had 1.5 win shares after 3 years lol. And he was absolutely horrible.
@MikeLowrry
@MikeLowrry Месяц назад
Please don’t let this pen guy on this show ever again, he literally said greatness is 1 of his requirements then says he’ll put arvydas sabonis ahead of Kobe smh
@nykareem2001
@nykareem2001 3 месяца назад
I like VORP as a stat but you still got to watch the games to determine impact
@davidcortes3037
@davidcortes3037 3 месяца назад
Chat was on one today
@itszaaaamzeh
@itszaaaamzeh 3 месяца назад
Bring Pen back he brought a funny angst to the disagreements
@Zi_greatness
@Zi_greatness 3 месяца назад
Marz if u see this brother your not alone brother google Zion Spara Syracuse ny was a 3 sport athlete had the keys to the program my senior year starting Quarterback got injured week b4 season started missed whole season never recovered physically/mentally this show keep me going 💯
@farhansarkar2394
@farhansarkar2394 3 месяца назад
Glad you got better bro.
@MarzTalksSports
@MarzTalksSports 3 месяца назад
Glad you doing well brother 💪
@Gopi0824
@Gopi0824 3 месяца назад
Thanks for sharing your story Marz, and I am happy you found out about the panel, I always love seeing you and the rest of the panelists every day :)@@MarzTalksSports
@CowbellkingdomTV
@CowbellkingdomTV 3 месяца назад
Malik Monk is an ELITE PLAYMAKER.... Assists on 16.9% of his drives-highest in the ENTIRE NBA. Despite only playing 26.3 MPG he gets more assists on drives than guys like Luka, SGA, Trae, Hali, etc. Electric speed & pull-up threat creates advantages over & over again. I watch the guy play every night at every home game and away...
@ronaldo9047
@ronaldo9047 3 месяца назад
They tried to act like dude was talking out of his ass
@MarzTalksSports
@MarzTalksSports 3 месяца назад
doesnt mean hes top 3 though.
@CowbellkingdomTV
@CowbellkingdomTV 3 месяца назад
@@MarzTalksSports sure... He's not Top 3 but the other dude said Russ is a better playmaker LMAO... That's how you know he only watches highlights... He's 100000% Top 10....
@Theflamehasira35
@Theflamehasira35 3 месяца назад
Man I ain’t gone lie yall might need some better panelist the OG crew was so much better then these new guys yall brought on board in my opinion 😭
@BeanHoopz
@BeanHoopz 3 месяца назад
2:41:19 i felt that domo 😂
@EddiePReacts
@EddiePReacts 3 месяца назад
I lived it so you cant have an opinion....GET THIS MAN OUT OF HERE.
@Savatar520
@Savatar520 3 месяца назад
Sounds like a less aggressive ticket
@EddiePReacts
@EddiePReacts 3 месяца назад
basically. The dollar tree version. @@Savatar520
@GiftedHoops
@GiftedHoops 3 месяца назад
Good overall show today, lot of basketball debates & conversations! Tap in to From The Logo later today at 6PM!
@ronaldo9047
@ronaldo9047 3 месяца назад
Pen was cooking
@DirtyDev
@DirtyDev 3 месяца назад
Ngga was making cereal
@DeeDubicus
@DeeDubicus 3 месяца назад
We want LOW
@nykareem2001
@nykareem2001 3 месяца назад
Penn brought a unique perspective to the lists and he gets jumped by Marz and his cronies. Marz is who yall thought Ticket was...
@MarzTalksSports
@MarzTalksSports 3 месяца назад
i wish i was 6'10
@gangawerks
@gangawerks 3 месяца назад
Pen in the mix is good chemistry.
@PrinceDJj
@PrinceDJj 3 месяца назад
First, I was a five-sport athlete. I played basketball, football, lacrosse, and rugby, and I also wrestled. So, swipe if you're looking at it that way. Then maybe LeBron could be the greatest athlete ever. But at the same time, I just don't know because I look at all these other sports. I also believe professional wrestlers are amazing athletes, so I just don't know. But I hear y'all's arguments, and I can't say I disagree with y'all.
@PrinceDJj
@PrinceDJj 3 месяца назад
Secondly, it's so funny to me how people get into their feelings and start being sarcastic or trolling over a basketball take. Like, if you disagree, just disagree and debate your point. But to get into your feelings, etc., is crazy. 😂😂😂
@MarzTalksSports
@MarzTalksSports 3 месяца назад
im always sarcastic,its not cos im in my feelings im just a sarcastic person
@PrinceDJj
@PrinceDJj 3 месяца назад
@@MarzTalksSports This wasn't for you Marz cause ik you
@PrinceDJj
@PrinceDJj 3 месяца назад
@@MarzTalksSports For the others that's was trying be you
@ishowspeedplug2845
@ishowspeedplug2845 3 месяца назад
respect to marz man, i can relate to those dark times
@choboy6238
@choboy6238 3 месяца назад
Dion Sanders hit a Homerun and scored a touchdown the same day. Dion is the best athlete over ever seen
@Sj48205
@Sj48205 3 месяца назад
2:39:33 Gifted was thinking about that what??? Pause 😭😭😭
@TheSage1123
@TheSage1123 3 месяца назад
So based off chills logic John Stockton today would be a one star because this Chris Paul is better then any version of Stockton
@officerricky3230
@officerricky3230 3 месяца назад
Not to be disrespectful but the problem with marz and the kid eating chips is they grew up in front of a computer where having an attitude had no consequences. Notice how all the other MEN in the panel act differently to disagreement. The biggest physically dude in there is OX and he’s the one less emotional. Hopefully they’ll learn one day.
@farhansarkar2394
@farhansarkar2394 3 месяца назад
To be fair, Marz and Gifted did chill out once they realized he was pissed. The comments and the chat on the other hand....
@MarzTalksSports
@MarzTalksSports 3 месяца назад
i was emotional? towards who
@officerricky3230
@officerricky3230 3 месяца назад
@@MarzTalksSports Marz…. Towards the VORP guy. You kept mentioning the corp thing way afterwards. Passive aggressiveness is an emotion.
@itszaaaamzeh
@itszaaaamzeh 3 месяца назад
Goes both ways, Pen was emotional and interrupted Marz talking about A.I overseas. The real truth is, everybody gets emotional to varying degrees, that's normal. You don't gotta psychoanalyze everytime the temperature turns up in the room lol.
@officerricky3230
@officerricky3230 3 месяца назад
@@itszaaaamzeh Good point. He got emotional too but I think dude was just responding to the room.
@ju7z_
@ju7z_ 3 месяца назад
Ima need penn and Deon on a show together
@LegendOfWingstop
@LegendOfWingstop 3 месяца назад
Swipa saying Steph has had more of an influence overseas than Jordan is an absolute hot garbage take ….he needs to walk that back to save face lol
@TheOddSkillz
@TheOddSkillz 3 месяца назад
That guy pen is honestly cheeks homie never seen someone talk for so long and not say anything
@7gramswish
@7gramswish 3 месяца назад
pen was solid if you ask me
@lancefrank5395
@lancefrank5395 3 месяца назад
This past year has turned me into a Gilbert Arenas fan😢
@MOE__
@MOE__ 3 месяца назад
L Cade hate
@Rip_JahCraft
@Rip_JahCraft 3 месяца назад
Pen got baked and bro was right wit mars for it 😂😂GIFTED U WAS THINKING BOUT THAT WHAT??
@jamesb7644
@jamesb7644 3 месяца назад
i checked the numbers Pen VORP is bad for PC when he is here maybe PC is better without him the way he claims The Pistons are better without Cade
@BlkStar99
@BlkStar99 3 месяца назад
That Cade segment was peak chatter from buddy. He was solid yesterday but today he was on one. Don’t bring him back
@shaun2148
@shaun2148 3 месяца назад
don’t bring him back is crazy i fw him
@cissem4025
@cissem4025 3 месяца назад
"i dont agree with them so don't bring him back"
@BlkStar99
@BlkStar99 3 месяца назад
@@cissem4025I don’t agree with people throwing out random stats with no context.
@SparklingHarmony
@SparklingHarmony 3 месяца назад
@@BlkStar99 VORP is not a random stat lol It's not a perfect stat, but most of the time, players with the highest VORP and box plus minus are in fact the best players.
@BlkStar99
@BlkStar99 3 месяца назад
@@SparklingHarmony I'm not saying that VORP is random in terms of how good of an indicator. My point is that I don't agree with people bringing stats to fit their narrative regardless of the actual context around player situations. For the "person with a degree in statistics" to say that Cade having a lower VORP than Fred or Jalen Suggs makes him worse or less impactful than them while ignoring that both of those players have multiple teammates than have a higher VORP than who Cade is playing with. Then he also didn't account for the fact that Cade is basically in his second year whereas other players have gotten more on-court time than him, or the fact that the Pistons have a trash roster whether Cade is there or not. He brought up the Pistons record without Cade like he had an amazing point
@theprophet9656
@theprophet9656 3 месяца назад
That half court playmaking take was the worst take on PC. Like.legit worse than the Lebron curry shooting. Only because its somewhat valid (about 1.2%) logic with the percentages THIS YEAR. He just lied
@AlmightyCBoogie
@AlmightyCBoogie 3 месяца назад
Pen is good in my book since he has Dirk Top 10.. Fxckin Genius .. Oh and this list having Kai leading Tier 4 while Luka leads the 5th Tier… W Players Choice List
@fi7891
@fi7891 3 месяца назад
Gifted drinking out that big ass bottle 😭
@ddawg266
@ddawg266 3 месяца назад
W Marz/panelist lore
@matthewburke5044
@matthewburke5044 3 месяца назад
Mars is the goat trolling pen 😂😂😂😂
@UnoDinero95001
@UnoDinero95001 3 месяца назад
Marz has a negative disposition towards swipa & has since like day 1 of the show😂
@MarzTalksSports
@MarzTalksSports 3 месяца назад
i hate everyone equally
@ExclusiveExcellence
@ExclusiveExcellence 3 месяца назад
Odell Beckham Jr, unless I’m misremembering he played soccer basketball and football at a pretty high level
@buusa
@buusa 2 месяца назад
marz can we see some highlights from when you were a footballer?
@LearningHoops
@LearningHoops 3 месяца назад
WE WANT LOW
@tusharbisht6832
@tusharbisht6832 3 месяца назад
Honestly saying that their no argument for 12-13 players all time being better than Kobe is a little crazy. You can watch Kobe in the 2000s and his arguement for the best player of that time period is not an iron clad as Jordan or lebrons for their eras. There are years where Dirk 03 09 10 kg 03 04 08 Duncan 01 02 03 04 Dwayne Wade 06 09 and Steve Nash 07 have a strong case for being better. I am really confused why the sentiment for Kobe is he has to be top 10 when I don’t even feel that way about magic bird wilt or Steph.
@nykareem2001
@nykareem2001 3 месяца назад
Panelists except Chill, Swipa and Ox are casuals
@MarzTalksSports
@MarzTalksSports 3 месяца назад
@@nykareem2001😂😂😂
@l3gendarysage293
@l3gendarysage293 3 месяца назад
There was never any year d wade, dirk, kg or definitely not Nash was better than Kobe this is pure delusions only argument was Duncan in 03 after he won finals but after that no this is just stupid to argue
@tusharbisht6832
@tusharbisht6832 3 месяца назад
@@l3gendarysage293 explain to me how in 09 Dwayne didn’t have an arguement
@l3gendarysage293
@l3gendarysage293 3 месяца назад
@@tusharbisht6832 because anything me with a brain knew Kobe was better just because someone is putting up numbers on a bad team doesn’t make him better Kobe was going to finals and still the best guard in the league by far d wade was never a better scorer or defender than Kobe what is d wade argument over Kobe you just gonna bring up numbers but not actual impact
@isaiahcoley438
@isaiahcoley438 3 месяца назад
Why is chill saying he can’t the starter on a championship team when he literally was in Toronto?
@Popskillz
@Popskillz 3 месяца назад
Oh the Pen guy had us in the 1st half. The more they talk the more they expose themselves. I'm glad yall bring yall Diamond Testers for the new people cuz I'm for sure DONE with VORP guy. I'm out
@theprophet9656
@theprophet9656 3 месяца назад
😂
@VHSXSHELL
@VHSXSHELL 3 месяца назад
Y’all hiring
@KobeAshei
@KobeAshei 3 месяца назад
Man if you can’t hit a weak hand layup idc about your damn VORP foh 😂
@tylerfoster6973
@tylerfoster6973 3 месяца назад
We Want Low
@PrinceDJj
@PrinceDJj 3 месяца назад
Third, now Penn, don't you start to get into your feelings either, but I respect your list, just like how I respect your influential take. But I just disagree. I think the two most influential people in basketball history were Kobe and Steph. I also disagree with your top ten and with that Cade talk.
@Jaycheong95
@Jaycheong95 3 месяца назад
I kinda like the new guy but damn Cade as 6th man is nuts
@ChristianWelch-rq9rv
@ChristianWelch-rq9rv 3 месяца назад
No Hakeem is crazy
@ynd_dizzy
@ynd_dizzy Месяц назад
NO WE NOT FINNA ACT LIKE HIS LIST IS OKAY 😭😭😭
@ClassicallyChristion
@ClassicallyChristion 3 месяца назад
Marz ur jokes can be funny but you let them go too long sometimes. There was a point where the vorp thing wasn’t funny anymore and just become awkward for everyone else
@MarzTalksSports
@MarzTalksSports 3 месяца назад
I found it very funny and enlightening
@LegendOfWingstop
@LegendOfWingstop 3 месяца назад
You thought repeating it over and over again was funny? For 45 minutes lol
@MarzTalksSports
@MarzTalksSports 3 месяца назад
@@LegendOfWingstop yes
@LegendOfWingstop
@LegendOfWingstop 3 месяца назад
@@MarzTalksSports 👎🏽
@kevinreo9107
@kevinreo9107 3 месяца назад
Pen was great!
@shaun2148
@shaun2148 3 месяца назад
Pen does not hate fred as much as he say does 😂
@Matthew-xl5bc
@Matthew-xl5bc 3 месяца назад
I disagree with Pen a lot on this episode but that’s not true. You can check his check is channel and he has tons of anti Fred Vanvleet videos
@dacoryowens14
@dacoryowens14 3 месяца назад
The way swipa explained the rankings means curry & luka not a 5 star! Ant most definitely a 5 star especially this year
@SAVESEIDI
@SAVESEIDI 3 месяца назад
Why can’t people just say they believe Kobe did “it” so they don’t put him high.😂 Kobe strictly basketball is better than all but like 3 or 4 players.
@kevinshoaf6966
@kevinshoaf6966 3 месяца назад
Michael Jordan was a great athlete too
@dacoryowens14
@dacoryowens14 3 месяца назад
Gifted most annoying person on this show!! Man omg!! Rather bring ticket back
@harrisonmiranda1857
@harrisonmiranda1857 3 месяца назад
Crazy petty today that was rough to listen to
@LegendOfWingstop
@LegendOfWingstop 3 месяца назад
Couldn’t agree more
@BlackHand531
@BlackHand531 3 месяца назад
PENSARE!!? 🎉
@isLisiX
@isLisiX 3 месяца назад
Penn just got here and he already controversial 😭.
@brandonmadden654
@brandonmadden654 3 месяца назад
Who is the white dude that keeps talking all smooth like bruh you on here with all men 😂😂😂
@TruTvgaming
@TruTvgaming 2 месяца назад
Pen is a Scottie glazer and a raptors fan that’s why he hates Cade😭😭. Go look at his channel
@eazyshit8899
@eazyshit8899 24 дня назад
KoBe Bryant number 2 all times he was a killer plus he got 5 rings
@sammysmartwizch3184
@sammysmartwizch3184 3 месяца назад
58:30
@clad_diamond
@clad_diamond 3 месяца назад
Sabonis better than kobe confirmed????😢😢😢😢
@boubacardiallo5945
@boubacardiallo5945 3 месяца назад
We gotta find out what his VORP was
@joshuahemingway9930
@joshuahemingway9930 3 месяца назад
where d fox at
@kjo2130
@kjo2130 3 месяца назад
Poor Pen
@dougiekiing4650
@dougiekiing4650 3 месяца назад
Pen get testy to fast
@Abhinav-mpeg4
@Abhinav-mpeg4 3 месяца назад
1:27:02 did no one clock how Pen was trying to make a dead Kobe joke! Boo this man!
@pensarebasketball
@pensarebasketball 3 месяца назад
No one making a dead Kobe joke. Check the comprehension before slinging these types of stupid accusations.
@elitemidrange
@elitemidrange 3 месяца назад
@@pensarebasketballWhy would Swipa be talking about Kobe walking around if he’s not alive? Whether you want to call it a joke, sarcastic comment, or whatever, surely you can see how what you said could be seen as poor taste? 🤔
@travislockhar6518
@travislockhar6518 Месяц назад
This is where u need ticket
@prestaydjiphilistin4612
@prestaydjiphilistin4612 3 месяца назад
r9 cr7 messi pele ?????
@ronaldo9047
@ronaldo9047 3 месяца назад
VORP had dudes stressed, Pen stood on business
@blacknetsmed
@blacknetsmed 3 месяца назад
So 2017 Westbrook is better than 1992 Jordan & 2000 Shaq? Because Westbrook had the higher VORP.
@tayluc777
@tayluc777 3 месяца назад
@@blacknetsmed😂
@ronaldo9047
@ronaldo9047 3 месяца назад
@@blacknetsmedno one said vorp is the sole thing that makes one player better than the other
@adrijiyuda
@adrijiyuda 3 месяца назад
Yall always ganging up on a panelist on here!! Shit is late.
@pensarebasketball
@pensarebasketball 3 месяца назад
Cade ain't him. He's been better but you can't just ignore his turnovers, his defense, his mediocre shooting and blame every teammate he's had.
@shotspotter7882
@shotspotter7882 3 месяца назад
U said he can’t shoot middies and he shoots like 50% on middies dude.
@MarzTalksSports
@MarzTalksSports 3 месяца назад
Oklahoma state=one of the worst spaced rosters in college. Detroit=undeniably the worst spaced roster in the Nba
@pensarebasketball
@pensarebasketball 3 месяца назад
@@MarzTalksSports spacing has a lot to do with space generation, which means if your lead initiator has issues spacing the defense because he's... • Not a great passer • Not a great shooter • Not a great finisher • Not a great athlete Then the spacing around you is going to need to overcompensate. The Raptors played Scottie with Dennis, Pascal and Jakob with OG. How is that WORSE than Ivey, Bogdanovic and Beef? Ausar can't shoot. Fine. Killian can't shoot. Fine. Wiseman can't shoot. Fine. Duren can't shoot. Fine. But great initiators can make non-shooters into great finishers. If he's your best guy, you're a lottery team. If he's NOT your best guy, he's providing bad defense and poor spacing for a better player. He plays one way. You're free to think he'll eventually graduate into being a capable first option. But I don't see how he generates the space required to create well for others. Stat inflation means 21ppg today is like 16ppg 15 years ago. Also, since you wanna clown on VORP here's one. He posted negative win shares for each of his first two seasons. He's got exactly +0.9 win shares in 144 games played. Which means that LeBron (trash roster), Tyrese Evans (trash roster) as rookies had more win shares in their first 20 games than he did in his first 144. Let that thought simmer.
@ronaldo9047
@ronaldo9047 3 месяца назад
@@pensarebasketballfacts
@DirtyDev
@DirtyDev 3 месяца назад
@@shotspotter7882that was insane to me because if pen watched cade he would know that he’s one of the best mid range shooters in the league
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