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🔴 I Won My Defamation Lawsuit Against Nick McKenzie and 60 Minutes Australia - Ep 933 

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@peterschiff
@peterschiff 9 месяцев назад
I forgot to mention that while the reporters went under cover with referral agents, they never went under cover with the bank itself, and tried to open an account. It makes no sense that they would not have tried. I think its possible that they did and got turned down, so they destroyed the evidence.
@wimvanaerde6249
@wimvanaerde6249 9 месяцев назад
Much ❤ from belgium
@Noworries-PU7ye
@Noworries-PU7ye 9 месяцев назад
Peter Schiff why do you spread misinformation😮 everything is fine inflation is under control😅 the markets are up everything's going to be fine in 2024 everything will be fixed inflation will be way down by then you keep putting out this Doom and Gloom did the markets are going to crash Lol. Will never happen😅
@patricksquires77
@patricksquires77 9 месяцев назад
Anyone else reach out to you on their treatment by these reporters. Seems quite brazen for a first time on their part.
@Noworries-PU7ye
@Noworries-PU7ye 9 месяцев назад
@@patricksquires77 people call me delusional the economy is not good when it really is these videos are basically all doom and gloom the FED is going to be reversing course by March of 2024 because inflation is under control Peter shift all he does is tell lie after a lie after a lie. He's a criminal he is a criminal conviction he's no good he should be terminated for misinformation 2024 is going to be an awesome year everything's going to be basically back to normal everything's going to be going down in price mark my words😊
@stlouisix3
@stlouisix3 9 месяцев назад
I absolutely believe you, Peter, and I've told many people about the injustices that were done unto you. My close friends and family know of my support of you, Sir Peter Schiff.
@dvaritek434
@dvaritek434 9 месяцев назад
There is nothing better than a schiff victory lap! Congrats Peter.
@thebackbencher666
@thebackbencher666 9 месяцев назад
just wait till his fans make the epic Peter Schiff is still right “ part 2 compilation.
@ethanniedorowski116
@ethanniedorowski116 8 месяцев назад
I love Peter but when he is right it's just all wrong
@MySteamChannel
@MySteamChannel 9 месяцев назад
As a proud Aussie, I am very happy you stuck it up em!!! Most of us down here are hard working, honest people like the good folks in the U.S.A.I will always follow and support you Peter....best regards.
@christophernaggs4018
@christophernaggs4018 9 месяцев назад
What was the main basis for this? Do you have a link explaining what happened?
@tomr6955
@tomr6955 9 месяцев назад
​@@christophernaggs4018it's journalism these days.. eyeballs first, truth later.
@audiemueller7500
@audiemueller7500 8 месяцев назад
I've lived in Australia and married an aussie. There are lots of freedom lovers in that country but unfortunately pretty much the entire South East is a bunch of council worshiping, toe licking closet communists.
@johnh5896
@johnh5896 9 месяцев назад
I know one thing your dad would be proud of you for doing what’s right and that’s what makes you a great person.
@ronfesta771
@ronfesta771 9 месяцев назад
Absolutely.........spot on!!!🙂
@carllea-wilson7960
@carllea-wilson7960 9 месяцев назад
Sue them again and again.
@NevilleVause-mo7ly
@NevilleVause-mo7ly 9 месяцев назад
As a Australian, born and bred for many generations, I apologise for the conduct of these countrymen of mine. I don’t know them, I don’t want to. This country has been on a downhill slide for a couple of generations now. Bitter socialist policies have produced bitter socialist people, brainwashed ideologs on the long March through the institutions to a Marxist Socialist Utopia. What they are creating is a Dystopian Hell. The downhill trajectory of Canada over the last ten or so years is frighteningly similar in complexion.
@tomr6955
@tomr6955 9 месяцев назад
Yeah we lag Canada and the worst components of Europe by about 5-10 years
@eagerbeever22
@eagerbeever22 8 месяцев назад
As a Canadian citizen I definitely agree .
@JackAlderton
@JackAlderton 8 месяцев назад
fellow aussie, agree 100%
@ethanniedorowski116
@ethanniedorowski116 8 месяцев назад
​​@@JackAldertonUSA an shit is changing for sure an I'm on outskirts nobody cares enough about to f with And we are starting to get fd with so ya it's getting 👎
@dianay6691
@dianay6691 8 месяцев назад
I feel the same, as a migrant to this beautiful country, I'm really scared of what's happening to the country I adopted as my home. It's as if Singapore has followed me here!
@robertdoell4321
@robertdoell4321 9 месяцев назад
I am so glad you won your lawsuit against these hack journalists.
@danieldonahue4465
@danieldonahue4465 9 месяцев назад
Peter thank you so much for standing up for what is right.
@theinflationsituation8870
@theinflationsituation8870 9 месяцев назад
damn right!
@ethanniedorowski116
@ethanniedorowski116 8 месяцев назад
Gold
@gersonadr2
@gersonadr2 9 месяцев назад
If she won the award, imagine the other journalists in Australia
@SamsungSamsung-md9xq
@SamsungSamsung-md9xq 9 месяцев назад
Nearly all the journos and media are owned by Blackrock,Vanguard,and they hate people with integrity and state the facts as they are,unlike the lying bankers,,Powell,so sick of all their lunacy and lies!
@mlangbert
@mlangbert 9 месяцев назад
I don't need to imagine because I've seen the "journalists" in the US, starting with the NYT.
@DanR-kc1yt
@DanR-kc1yt 9 месяцев назад
Sadly it's probably the good journalists who are not recognized. The ones who actually have integrity are repressed and held down. The corruption is clearly far worse then I ever could have imagined.
@tomr6955
@tomr6955 8 месяцев назад
@@DanR-kc1yt agreed, race to the bottom.
@GenXstacker
@GenXstacker 9 месяцев назад
Make them famous, Peter. Put all the evidence out there and let the world know what these media scabs are really like.
@tomr6955
@tomr6955 9 месяцев назад
No one is going to see his website. It's all corrupt. He should have pushed to trial.
@eicktube
@eicktube 9 месяцев назад
Good for you, Peter. You deserve that.
@theinflationsituation8870
@theinflationsituation8870 9 месяцев назад
Damn right!
@alexchiswell2704
@alexchiswell2704 9 месяцев назад
Here in Sydney. This same Nick Mackenzie that did a hit piece on Peter Schiff also wrote a book on Ben Roberts Smith the Afghan war hero which although Ben lost his defamation case has left many debating if this was dodgy journalism at its finest. It seems Ben Roberts Smith who I believe is a great soldier and did a difficult job in a very difficult situation a war zone where like Vietnam you can’t tell farmers from VC You can’t tell afghan farmers from the Taliban Now the case has gone to a criminal court but the facts required to prove a higher test of murder have so far been unfounded by the court. Ben Roberts Smith to this day has not been convicted of a war crime but Nick and many others have made money out of this story which was derived not by an eyewitness but by a third hand account of an American soldier who was not even at the scene of the apparent crime. This shed some doubt over the journalistic integrity of these and other Australian journalist especially in light of Peter Schiff’s case. I’m ashamed to say that today Austrian journalists who win Walkley awards are not honest journalists. Can’t trust any of them nowadays if they give too awards to these fake journalists Well done Peter Schiff for exposing these crooks
@AusValue
@AusValue 9 месяцев назад
Nick was completely jealous of Ben, it was so obvious the whole time. Nick couldn’t fight his way out of a wet paper bag, absolute tosser. Would pay to see a Nick vs Ben 1v1
@jamescc2010
@jamescc2010 8 месяцев назад
This Nick guy belong in #@%$.
@fudogwhisperer3590
@fudogwhisperer3590 9 месяцев назад
Congrats on your win. Nothing better than corrupt media and government taking an “L”.
@tomr6955
@tomr6955 9 месяцев назад
He should have pushed to trial. They need punishment.
@ultramagalatino
@ultramagalatino 8 месяцев назад
This should be criminal charges
@robblankenstein6825
@robblankenstein6825 9 месяцев назад
Congrats. My understanding is it's hard to win a defamation case here. You must have had them dead to rights.
@revrup
@revrup 9 месяцев назад
Thanks for the update and for being a warrior for truth and justice.
@sweechen9762
@sweechen9762 9 месяцев назад
Congratulations Peter. Nick Mckenzie behaved abominably in his interview with you and I hope that he gets everything that he deserves.
@Jalleur14325
@Jalleur14325 9 месяцев назад
The thing is making money out of journalism has become very difficult as the laws on privacy have been tightened. In many ways this means dodgy dealings (e.g expenses scandal) are no longer getting uncovered. In Peter's case, they probably were blinded by their own politics and were convinced there would be some skeletons to dig up, and usually the amount of money papers or news outlets can make off the back of a rumour/scandal is so great, that even if they are successfully sued they make a lot more money!
@user-im6fy4qp6m
@user-im6fy4qp6m 8 месяцев назад
a raise for being a loyal propagandist working for the ministry of truth?
@dianay6691
@dianay6691 8 месяцев назад
Kick Peter Costello the ex-treasurer in the nuts! He's a board member of channel 9. Says it all.
@DanR-kc1yt
@DanR-kc1yt 9 месяцев назад
Congrats on the victory Peter!! I hope enough people in the west wake up and see these injustices and double standards for what they are before it's too late.
@LeviHeatonIII
@LeviHeatonIII 9 месяцев назад
Hell yeah Peter! Congratulations brother!!
@yawzerdoink-a-sore-as8159
@yawzerdoink-a-sore-as8159 9 месяцев назад
You must write a press release and send it out to all the Australian media. If they refuse send it to other channels that are foreign based and have a footprint inside Australia. And do it digitally too, and contact all newspapers too.
@tomr6955
@tomr6955 9 месяцев назад
None of them will care. They are media, look after their own.
@martinrev8487
@martinrev8487 9 месяцев назад
I'm so happy for you, Peter. I can't imagine how difficult this ordeal was. But now that you have the judgment on your side and completed, go get them! Don't let them off the hook. Not only do you deserve this opportunity to set the record straight, but they deserve to have their actions made public. Best regards, a true admirer of you and your work, Chris.
@bradsnyder2890
@bradsnyder2890 9 месяцев назад
It's good to hear Peter has received some justice 👏👏👏
@jamtmann
@jamtmann 9 месяцев назад
Peter, I watched the entire interview… all I can say is STOIC !!
@wilfriedvomacka1783
@wilfriedvomacka1783 9 месяцев назад
True. I saw it yesterday and my blood was boiling. I need to learn from Peter.
@venz8201
@venz8201 9 месяцев назад
I remember the edited version that was up. It made him look like a short-tempered guy who left the interview because he was called out on the crimes he committed. Scary how different the full version is.
@rickkemp1
@rickkemp1 9 месяцев назад
The older you get, the more you come to realize that time is more valuable than money. As much money as this bank fiasco has cost, it has cost a lot more in time. Money can be earned, replaced, time can only be lost.
@chopinnocturne5858
@chopinnocturne5858 9 месяцев назад
Peter thanks for getting me interested in economics math and finance
@brendanquinn6894
@brendanquinn6894 9 месяцев назад
They did exactly the same thing to Cardinal Pell. The Australian media is a total disgrace.
@kruelunusual6242
@kruelunusual6242 9 месяцев назад
Except Pell had actual victims that had legitimate claims.. Peter is actually innocent!
@tomr6955
@tomr6955 9 месяцев назад
​@@kruelunusual6242no, it's the same. You've been lied to
@damianmousley2098
@damianmousley2098 9 месяцев назад
@@kruelunusual6242no that is incorrect . As you know - case went to the federal court and they lost. Pell was proven innocent. be consistent.
@robertphillips2983
@robertphillips2983 9 месяцев назад
Congratulations Peter. As an Australian, I rate Australian Journalists in the same group as real estate agents and used car salesmen. Givem hell!!
@rambachimanchi5279
@rambachimanchi5279 9 месяцев назад
Sue the hell out of them and the IRS too...
@thailandsnippets901
@thailandsnippets901 9 месяцев назад
I remember you telling us about this TV Show. I thought the case came to nothing but now so glad to hear you won the case Peter. These evil people shouldnt be allowed to defame people without consequences, and glad you had the resources to get justice.
@seancochran808
@seancochran808 9 месяцев назад
I'll never believe MSM the rest of my life
@tomr6955
@tomr6955 9 месяцев назад
Only now?
@_Stay_Curious
@_Stay_Curious 9 месяцев назад
Hilarious that they complained about you "trying to ruin their reputation". What were they doing to you?
@geoffwaterman6560
@geoffwaterman6560 9 месяцев назад
As an Australian im glad that Justice has prevailed.
@walden6272
@walden6272 9 месяцев назад
It hasn't. Those crooked journalists still has a job and received an award for their work.
@Vanessa-qj5hj
@Vanessa-qj5hj 9 месяцев назад
Congratulations on your court win. Aus Government has gone crazy on the cashless society and FATCA checks.
@SamsungSamsung-md9xq
@SamsungSamsung-md9xq 9 месяцев назад
Cash is king,screw the cbdc's,total control of your life,just the fact that the banks and governments want this says it all,and when ghe blackouts start,oops,no money,no alternative ,can't pay for food,rent ,wages,hell no,no way!
@christophernaggs4018
@christophernaggs4018 9 месяцев назад
What are they doing with cashless?
@wilfriedvomacka1783
@wilfriedvomacka1783 9 месяцев назад
Congrats Peter!! 🎉☺
@vikramranade
@vikramranade 9 месяцев назад
I have heard Peter for many years. I haven't found anyone else as consistent and honest as him in the public domain.
@ethanniedorowski116
@ethanniedorowski116 8 месяцев назад
Agreed I have heard him say "I'm wrong" I respect that
@toietmoi650
@toietmoi650 9 месяцев назад
Congratulations, Peter! We love and appreciate you!
@MrAnderson3
@MrAnderson3 9 месяцев назад
Gotta love how netflix has a whole documentary on HSBC bank knowingly facilitating funds for Mexican and Chinese Cartels yet 5 countries got together to target 1 small bank in Puerto Rico over suspcions of tax evasion 😂😂😂 you can see where government priorities are
@cyclingqueenbee
@cyclingqueenbee 9 месяцев назад
Woohooooo! Well done Peter!👍🏻
@damncars2618
@damncars2618 9 месяцев назад
Congratulations on your win.
@haiderissa2363
@haiderissa2363 9 месяцев назад
Congratulations Peter, the truth wins. Karma will catch up with them sooner or later.
@sharonpearson420
@sharonpearson420 9 месяцев назад
Deffinately a hit job. Who funded it is the main question. They wanted your bank not you
@davidmackay7725
@davidmackay7725 9 месяцев назад
Well done Peter. You are one of the few who has been able to hold the media to account.
@emmanuel1349
@emmanuel1349 9 месяцев назад
🎉 well done Peter!!
@davidwhite6581
@davidwhite6581 9 месяцев назад
Good job peter. Your a man among men. Make your dad proud and go after the government too!
@joeysteinbach5553
@joeysteinbach5553 9 месяцев назад
That interview “journalist” was so rude and you were so patient with him.
@alxmnslv
@alxmnslv 9 месяцев назад
Another Peter Schiff was right video, add it to the collection!
@SouthYarraMan
@SouthYarraMan 9 месяцев назад
Heartfelt congrats Peter in being totally exonerated. I knew this was a raft of false yellow press 'gutter journalism' all along.
@03pablocan
@03pablocan 9 месяцев назад
You handled well this hit man!
@mattstone8111
@mattstone8111 9 месяцев назад
Keep going Peter. These turds owe you hundreds of millions.
@funkspinna
@funkspinna 9 месяцев назад
Winning an award for defamatory "journalism". She should be ridiculed. LOL.
@jeremydivito2679
@jeremydivito2679 9 месяцев назад
Shouldn’t these people be threatened with a prison sentence. Maybe then the truth who was behind this would come out?
@charleskelly4264
@charleskelly4264 9 месяцев назад
Good job. Keep up the good work Thanks Charles kelly.
@georgewhitfield6154
@georgewhitfield6154 9 месяцев назад
Glad to hear of your vindication. Your strength and persistence is admirable.
@goldismoney5899
@goldismoney5899 9 месяцев назад
You are a true Patriot Peter. Thank you for all you do. END THE FED. Gold IS money.
@Razz125a
@Razz125a 9 месяцев назад
Congrats! I am very happy for you
@walden6272
@walden6272 9 месяцев назад
The court awarded you with so little money considering they just destroy your banking business.
@expelleddux
@expelleddux 9 месяцев назад
Congratulations Peter!
@doubleuponbob3397
@doubleuponbob3397 9 месяцев назад
Congratulations Peter. You have been vindicated. We were many who never doubted you ⭐️👍🍾
@MAMP
@MAMP 9 месяцев назад
Absolutey bizarre the world we live in now. Rock on Peter.
@rd24life
@rd24life 9 месяцев назад
People are stupid sheep. They continue to vote for evil and watch stupid creepy news stations
@jamesfernandez6801
@jamesfernandez6801 9 месяцев назад
Congrats Peter we were pulling for you.
@Talamanca3
@Talamanca3 9 месяцев назад
Thank you for all your work. I read "How an Economy Grows and Why it Crashes" with my five year old daughter. She says, "Daddy...Able, Baker and Charley are doing pretty good".
@TheRayndog
@TheRayndog 9 месяцев назад
Nice work Peter! Congrats from Australia. Wish you got more money awarded by the Court that would have been the correct way to hold them to account at the hip pocket.
@rhettmeyers474
@rhettmeyers474 9 месяцев назад
That's awesome that you included that weasel Mckenzie in your lawsuit! You even told him you might do it in real time when he was trying to smear you.
@seriouslythodonteven
@seriouslythodonteven 9 месяцев назад
happy for you Peter
@ForFun-xv6hg
@ForFun-xv6hg 8 месяцев назад
Finally some taste of justice. Congratulations Peter... I wish you well. I'm sure you will win the second lawsuit against them. Keep up the excellent work.
@mend9850
@mend9850 9 месяцев назад
Given the history of penal colonies in Australia its no wonder that journalistic fraud is not taken seriously but is instead celebrated.
@migooknamja
@migooknamja 9 месяцев назад
Put that reporter on a 19crimes wine bottle
@PatSika
@PatSika 9 месяцев назад
Not celebrated by this Aussie…I was absolutely appalled by the journalist’s blatant and continued harassment of Peter, and by the lack of any decent research apart from questionable “insider tip-offs”. The whale damned 60 Minutes team that put that together should have been sacked as far as I’m concerned, so I’m glad that Peter took them to court; there is no reasonable excuse for deliberately targeting and maligning anyone’s character like that.
@Exanto777
@Exanto777 9 месяцев назад
Lying is celebrated by the Aussie press. Write lies and get an award in Oz. That’s how rubbish the Aussie press is.
@Jalleur14325
@Jalleur14325 9 месяцев назад
Yes. Indeed. That's a big reason why I wouldn't want to live there, and even worse, while they continue to treat humans like rats, shoving then off shore into cages in Nauru (world stays silent on that but makes a big fuss about the UKs Rwanda plan), it then grandstands about ethics over the vaccine, and treats Novak Djokovic like a criminal. Unbelievable.
@tomr6955
@tomr6955 9 месяцев назад
Hate to break it to you but bad journalists is not isolated to Australia. Also Australia was 95% free settlers at its origin.
@scottdunstan4117
@scottdunstan4117 9 месяцев назад
Go after them Pete!
@shadowbanned4days
@shadowbanned4days 9 месяцев назад
Congrats. Always keeping it real❤ Gold! GET YOU ALL SOME MORE.
@springNoNWo
@springNoNWo 9 месяцев назад
Good for you Peter
@FinaISpartan
@FinaISpartan 9 месяцев назад
Really unfortunate what hapepened here. I hope you get all your damages worth.
@accountontheinternet7747
@accountontheinternet7747 9 месяцев назад
Thank you gor the history and interesting explanation.
@musiqueacoustique1
@musiqueacoustique1 9 месяцев назад
Ahhh justice. This is so satisfying to hear. Congratulations Peter.
@1984Albion
@1984Albion 9 месяцев назад
Best show on the internet. Wishing you continued success.
@JAVEDKHAN-vb7bu
@JAVEDKHAN-vb7bu 9 месяцев назад
You fu*k with Peter .. you fu*k with the best !!
@rrssmooth6643
@rrssmooth6643 9 месяцев назад
CONGRATULATIONS WELL DESERVED.
@user-kl8jx5qe2p
@user-kl8jx5qe2p 8 месяцев назад
You are a legend Peter! I live in Australia and the media here is awful. Even the government funded ABC is biased, manipulative and sensational to say the least. Having said that my home country Germany is not much better at all. That is why people don't watch tv anymore. Tv is desperate to keep their audience, the little they still got.
@jamescc2010
@jamescc2010 8 месяцев назад
No TV or MSM for years. Love youtube!
@andrewrowland7974
@andrewrowland7974 9 месяцев назад
Good job, mate I can totally agree with you 👍
@tmanthemotivator
@tmanthemotivator 9 месяцев назад
Take em to court Peter, set up a fundraiser, I'll gladly donate, we need people like you to put a stop to this kind of s&$t
@imoldovann
@imoldovann 9 месяцев назад
Good job Peter. You are a legend for exposing these people
@giorgiovincenti
@giorgiovincenti 9 месяцев назад
Praise God! So happy for you Peter
@marycomstock5793
@marycomstock5793 9 месяцев назад
I have not watched 60 Minutes or affiliated broadcasts in many years, precisely because of tactics like these where allegations are flung about without evidence, interviewees are ambushed and or lied to about the premise of the interview, multiple cameras are run so that interviewees are unaware of being filmed when breaks are taken, and stories going forward when supposed "vetted evidence" can not be proven factual. As I recall, during a PBS broadcasted moderated debate or discussion of effectively big media versus big business, which degraded to big business versus 60 minutes, a representative of the Wall Street Journal was finally asked a question about 60 Minutes being good journalism or not, his response, my paraphrasing, was that they were good drama. The 60 Minutes representatives were beside themselves stating that they had the highest regard for the WSJ.
@alexdavidyuk7901
@alexdavidyuk7901 9 месяцев назад
Stay humble and keep it up Peter!
@samlee137
@samlee137 9 месяцев назад
Peter your the one man that shine with integrity, honesty. and ethical, I watch all your podcast with thum up. Peter thanks you for your knowledge and wisdoms that you taught billion of us. I learn a lots and open my mind. Thank you Peter
@PaulbylPaulbyl
@PaulbylPaulbyl 9 месяцев назад
Congrats Peter. Very happy for you!
@kurt6410
@kurt6410 9 месяцев назад
Now all you gotta do is get Art Laffer to pay you that penny
@johnjohnston5437
@johnjohnston5437 9 месяцев назад
What I want to know is who (paid) these people to go after you in the first place. They didn’t do it on their own.
@miri9600
@miri9600 9 месяцев назад
Congrats Peter, you are a fighter.
@dard683
@dard683 9 месяцев назад
brqvo !! well done peter. Many thanks for the service you provide on this channel. Dan, Ireland
@mcartere8264
@mcartere8264 9 месяцев назад
You rock. Stay strong you are blessed! ! !
@mihaicostescu
@mihaicostescu 9 месяцев назад
Go Peter Go. Much love from a former gold bug actual Bitcoiner but that never ceases to be impressed by you. Stay safe and strong as always.
@utkbyuca89
@utkbyuca89 9 месяцев назад
Congratulations !
@hansepansnl2481
@hansepansnl2481 9 месяцев назад
Congratulations 🎉. I have learned a lot watching your RU-vid video’s and reading your books.
@DerrickJLive
@DerrickJLive 8 месяцев назад
I watched the interview. It was incredible. You did a great job. Way to go with the lawsuit.
@BRZBigInJapan
@BRZBigInJapan 9 месяцев назад
Congratulations 🎉🎉
@MichaelMcgarrity-ys8wf
@MichaelMcgarrity-ys8wf 9 месяцев назад
Congratulations Mr. Schiff.
@Marcus1954s
@Marcus1954s 9 месяцев назад
This story and your emotion bring back so many wretched parts of my life. Ineffective civil courts refusing to enforce disclosure caused so many problems and the court system allows the "creatures" to get away with it. You have to get smart and unconventional in what is effectively revenge (justice not contrary to the law but outside the legal process).
@CollectorChronicles
@CollectorChronicles 9 месяцев назад
"There was this other guy, Mathew Goldstein..." Isn't there always? Keep fighting the good fight sir. Just think of how many times they DO get away with destroying someone.
@davidhemsted5372
@davidhemsted5372 9 месяцев назад
Well done!
@kruelunusual6242
@kruelunusual6242 9 месяцев назад
If this is the case, can you sue the gov't for wrongly placing your bank in recievership?
@moanytone
@moanytone 9 месяцев назад
You shouldn't be having to deal with this shit. It's criminal
@robertwells7861
@robertwells7861 9 месяцев назад
Amazing Peter, never give up!
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