😩.357 Sig Makes 9mm Fanboys Pout - .357 Sig VS 9mm - Hornady Custom 147 gr XTP

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Testing the Hornady Custom ammunition in 9mm and .357 Sig, both using the Hornady XTP bullet. The 9mm is rated at 975 FPS and the .357 Sig is rated at 1,225 FPS. I am using my 5" M&P 2.0 pistols for both. Always appreciative of any channel help :) www.patreon.co...

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@GunSam 7 месяцев назад

I want to address something that has been bothering me lately, and that is the repeat comment in some form or another, about .357 Sig ammo price and availability. Paraphrasing 100 comments into one here - ".357 Sig is not available anywhere, and it's two to three times the cost of 9mm so it's useless". My question to these people is - what are you even talking about?! I know that a lot of physical stores do rack up the price because all they offer is generally Federal American Eagle .357 Sig, which is very pricey ammo. But to say that the cartridge is hard to find and to say it's like $60 a box in general, is very factually wrong. Going on ammoseek, there are 5+ pages of .357 Sig for purchase just like any other popular cartridge, and about a dozen of these retailers offer 50 round boxes of .357 Sig for $22 to $25. Also, defensive ammo is often about the same price if not less than 9mm+P defensive ammo. The fact is, .357 Sig is not all that hard to find and not all that expensive. It's not a lot different (at least online) than buying a 50 round box of .357 Magnum for cost and availability, but for whatever reason a lot of people are either seriously misinformed or have an agenda to make it seem as .357 Sig ammo is about as rare and expensive as .455 Webley (5 retailers online averaging about $65-$70).

@FunWithDHG 7 месяцев назад

Sounds like you triggered the masses and forced them to defend the indefensible. I like the 9mm, and I carry it, but it's no .357 Sig. Online ammo is always cheaper too.

@joelbabcock2952 4 месяца назад

That’s where I found mine. Ammoseek. Stocked up. And the price is ok by me. Love the 357 SIG.

@MrCj_Common 4 месяца назад

Some folks just like complaining. A simple google search showed plenty of 357 sig ammo available at reasonable prices. Lucky Gunner was one of them.

@blantant 3 месяца назад

I live in a state where ammo delivered to door is prohibited. While I can ship to my FFL and he charges a small fee, I'm always delighted to see it on an actual shelf at a big box store. Found this exact Hornady xtp at the store. Very pleased with how it did in your video. Your testing rocks. Appreciate you

@GunSam 8 месяцев назад

Can we all agree that all handgun cartridges are fun and useful tools in the bag, and not get so touchy over satire? I obviously own 9mm handguns and being as poor as I am, did not spend money on like 4 or 5 of them just to make fun of the caliber. So based on past videos' pubescently raging comments I have gotten when I sarcastically (with a small grain of truth) bashed the 9mm, I am preemptively responding to the ALL CAPS comments and saying, just chill out. It's all in good fun. (Filmed 1/31/24)

@tormentorxl2732 8 месяцев назад

It’s ashamed that you even have to say that to the snowflakes.

@IveGotonethatCanSee 8 месяцев назад

Definitely in fun, thanks Sam

@thereindeertherabbitthebat592 8 месяцев назад

I'M SOOOO UPSET!!! ALL CAPS!!! ALL CAPS!!! 😭😭😭 JK. Great video, thanks 😂

@Kelly-oq9nh 8 месяцев назад

@@bonsaipiper3773what the?

@GunSam 8 месяцев назад

I have already gotten comments on this video that I had to remove as they were getting into name calling and more or less crying. Some people didn't like the title either. But let me say this once, a LOT of people deserve this title. Having the opportunity most people do not, of interacting with 100 people a day in comments leads to a lot of the same annoying comments, often with people berating me over the fact I tell the truth about what I see in testing. The nonstop nonsense of how 9mm is more powerful than .357 Magnum as long as it's 9mm+P, or how 9mm is more powerful than .45 ACP, or how 9mm is more powerful than .44 Magnum because 15+1 at 400 ft lbs is more overall energy than 6 rounds at 800 ft lbs. It never ends. As much as I like to see the good in all people, there are a lot of annoying people who like to spread misinformation. I enjoy disproving much of it through testing.

@BillHimmel 8 месяцев назад

Always grateful for a review of .357 sig ammo!

@GunSam 8 месяцев назад

Thanks for watching

@texasbradley 8 месяцев назад

357 sig is very underrated and yes it makes the 9mm fanboys cry... It's also extremely fun to hand load because you can do so much with it.

@GunSam 8 месяцев назад

I have never hand loaded that one specifically, in auto I stuck with .45 ACP. I heard crimping them can be tricky. Like they do headspace on the shoulder so they are roll crimped? I can't remember it all but I think I read something like that.

@texasbradley 8 месяцев назад

@@GunSam It's not that bad Sam and yes it's a bottleneck cartridge but it headspaces on the mouth. Because of this it should not be roll crimped, use a taper. The only tricky part is making sure your case length is within tolerances and not to long, especially after several reloading's. If the case length is even a tiny bit over spec it will cause feeding issues and can be frustrating if you fail to trim them. I use Accurate #9 (love that powder) and can easily push 115gr JHP1400 fps out of a 4 inch barrel with Excellent accuracy. Estimated pressures with that load are ~ 31k PSI and that's about 9k under max.

@FoulPet 8 месяцев назад

Who underrates 357 sig?

@texasbradley 8 месяцев назад

@@FoulPet I feel the caliber and topic is kind of gone off the wayside with the overabundance of 9 mm. I know people that don't even know what 357 sig is, never heard of it, hence my point. Do you hear an abundance of people talking about 357 sig? At the same level as 9 mm? 357 sig is clearly superior so you would definitely think you would hear about it more.

@exothermal.sprocket 8 месяцев назад

It has a lot going for it, in that it was never really "downloaded for qualification purposes." It is also suitable for much less feeding problems. It has generous powder capacity for the size of the projectile. It's smaller than .45 but no bigger than .40 so capacity isn't hugely effected. It carries enough velocity to move it clear out of "9mm problems" and into another zip code.

@Kelly-oq9nh 8 месяцев назад

In my opinion your channel is the best for ballistics testing and general shooting information. Hard for me to understand negative comments when all of us have gotten to know you. I always am delighted when a new Gun Sam pops up. I appreciate all the time and effort you put into your craft. I have been educated watching you over the years. Thank you Sam

@GunSam 8 месяцев назад

Thank you. I even got some raging hate in here already today where I just remove the commenter. I figured people would see this for what it is. Just a fun test.

@Kelly-oq9nh 8 месяцев назад

@@GunSamAn accurate, factual, useful test. These people need to get out of their basement once in a while.

@russellsandidge4210 8 месяцев назад

In our gun club I've had people tell me the 357 sig is no more effective than a 9 mm and it's just a waste of money to buy a 357 sig.... I just politely bow out of the conversation

@indianajets 8 месяцев назад

Same folks that tell me 9mm is better than 357 mag too.. 😅

@GunSam 8 месяцев назад

I hear that a lot too. These 9mm guys will tell you that .380 ACP is garbage because it's roughly 150 ft lbs less energy than the 9mm+P. Same breath tell you that the .357 Sig is no more effective than the 9mm+P (despite it's 150 ft lbs energy gain over the 9mm). Now I am not saying energy is everything, but by their logic, the 9mm is garbage compared to the .357 Sig.

@Alex1Tremo Месяц назад

In some real life videos ,i seen bad guys dropped and not getting back up after getting 357siged with one pill

@BassLine26 8 месяцев назад

I always wanted a 357 magnum autoloader. When the 357 sig came out I was sold on any model that chambered it. Great presentations as always.

@GunSam 8 месяцев назад

Thanks 👍

@murrayjimm 8 месяцев назад

Great information and descriptions, as usual. I have two 9 mm and 2 357 sig and appreciate the flat shooting, flawlessly loading .357 sig.

@GunSam 8 месяцев назад

Thank you

@guardianminifarm8005 8 месяцев назад

Agree! Both are more than acceptable. But the Sig is clearly more powerful and that should translate to better terminal performance if/when needed. I worked with a Sheriff's Department nearly 2 decades ago and they switched from Sig P226 9mm to Glock 21 45 acp. The primary reason was the number of rounds the 9mm was taking to stop the threat in the LE database from 1990 to 2000. There are a good number of LE testimonials that support are "more powerful" round than the 9mm. There are plenty as well that would indicate that it is "more than" sufficient most of the time.

@LDR1100RS 8 месяцев назад

Sam...you are DEADLY with those Smiths! You've made a believer out of me. I have a KKM barrel in .357 Sig inbound.

@GunSam 8 месяцев назад

I like the KKM barrels. They seem top quality to me. I got a .45 ACP match barrel too, but for a Glock.

@yuvgotubekidding 8 месяцев назад

Nice comparison test. Hope you’re feeling better. 👍🇺🇸

@progunliberal 8 месяцев назад

And, I forgot to mention, best ballistics test on youtube, hands down.

@Kenbur 8 месяцев назад

thanks - a fun video. the accuracy at 75 yards is pretty amazing to me. and up to 30 yards I in my limited experience would think either/or - however the 357 sure seemed to hit harder and ring louder when it hit and even the misses would seem to be accurate enough to hit something on the body at 40 to 75 yards - which then means to me if I just hit a lower leg, arm, shoulder, or thigh area and missed the torso I would still have the power to make a person think again about coming closer for sure.

@64samsky 6 месяцев назад

I run Hornady Critical Duty in my Glock 32c. The 357Sig is an awesome round!

@dawonnejackson7316 5 месяцев назад

me 2 they feed perfect and no bullet setback

@carlosmorris4510 8 месяцев назад

9mm can be adequate for human defense, but in my view we should all just settle down and admit that it's not a "power caliber"; it's a "shot placement caliber"... And this is why it's never recommended as a woods caliber.

@lanedexter6303 8 месяцев назад

Interesting, Sam! I’ve often said the 357 SIG does one thing really well (duplicate the ballistics of the famous .357 Magnum 125 JHP), but it’s a one trick pony. This shows it has some versatility. I know it can’t match the revolver cartridge, but this 147 gr. load is impressive.

@ru2yaz33 8 месяцев назад

A 125gr Barnes copper bullet loaded comparison between full power .357 Sig and +P+ 9mm would be interesting.

@ironmikehallowween 8 месяцев назад

It’s as expected, but still enjoyable to watch. Thanks for the video.

@07thunderhawk 8 месяцев назад

I recently decided to give up on the .357 Sig cartridge. No matter how much I love it, the ammo is nowhere to be found and when it is, it's exorbitantly expensive. Both 40 S&W and 357 Magnum are the best in terms of power and price.

@GunSam 8 месяцев назад

I will assume you can't buy online. Ammoseek shows a ton of options with a dozen sites offering 50 round boxes from $22 to $25

@DinoNucci 8 месяцев назад

40 ftw

@exothermal.sprocket 8 месяцев назад

I know people who have paid over $90 for a box of 20rd of .270win...... because they didn't want to bother doing a simple online search. I don't get it.

@armedrebellion47 8 месяцев назад

I don't understand why people have a hard time finding 357 sig and it's not expensive... 357 sig has been going down in price for the last 2 years.

@codyworley5623 5 месяцев назад

I have zero issues buying 357 Sig. In defense ammo or practice. Also I don't understand why anyone buys practice ammo at a brick and mortar store ever. I get it if you just want to buy a box or 2 of defense ammo but online is always the best option for bulk practice ammo

@andywindes4968 8 месяцев назад

I've always felt as if the resurgence of the 9mm Para was due to influences unrelated to performance. Chiefly, it is a low-recoil round that is easier to shoot than more powerful rounds especially for small-framed officers and those unwilling to spend the time necessary to master a more capable round. One needs only to sift through the countless videos available of police officers having to pump round after round of 9mm into suspects in order to incapacitate them. For me, the .357 Magnum is the gold standard among all handgun rounds, but if you are limited to automatics, the .45 ACP is a capable second. The .357 Sig is probably next in line, and I've never understood why it is not more popular.

@DinoNucci 8 месяцев назад

@FoulPet 8 месяцев назад

IMHO it's related to the material shortage. Ammo/gun companies are running government contracts and its easier and cheaper for them to focus on one caliber. Another tinfoil hat proposal is its easier to control ammo flow of one caliber. If they turn off 9mm your 9mm guns are pointless

@dannydean3024 8 месяцев назад

Cost and availability hurt .357sig. You need to be able to run lots of ammo through your carry gun. I love my 1911 in 45acp. But capacity and concelabilitey are concerns. So 9mm is adequate. But your list and options look about right. 9mm is like vhs it works, it’s available and everybody has one, but let’s be honest.

@FoulPet 8 месяцев назад

@@dannydean3024 you sound like a 45 convert. Definitely not one of the "only reason I carry a 45 is they don't make a 46" crowd. 45 and 40 were always more expensive than 9. People didn't start complaining till prices doubled. If you search enough you can still get decent prices.

@dannydean3024 8 месяцев назад

@@FoulPet no I have not been life long .45 man but my wife and I love our 1911s plus my Sig P220. Fun to shot, capable for protection. We do prefer metal framed, hammer fired even in 9mm.

@garyb.4080 8 месяцев назад

Love 357 sig it’s just so damn expensive to shoot. Before the ammo went crazy I could buy practice ammo for 15 dollars a box, now the cheapest I’ve seen is 40, and if you figure the components it should be cheaper than 357 magnum.

@MarineBiker 8 месяцев назад

Good review, that being said you were a lot more accurate with the 9. Shot placement is more important.

@cousinvinnie2180 8 месяцев назад

Nice to see ammo have the velocity they claim! Thanks for this tremendous demonstration.....Real world and real life....

@Stalin4403 8 месяцев назад

I feel the .357 sig should be the premier self defense cartridge. Good for self defense against humans. Ok,for wilderness. It reaches that velocity threshold in which any expanding projectileis likely to expand.

@exothermal.sprocket 8 месяцев назад

If you head over to Turkey's Opinion, he's done a test on the whole .40 vs. 10mm debacle. Demonstrating the issue with how the industry typically loads the stuff. .40 is formidable, handily. But just like anything in that caliber, selection is the key to it. Stout .40 S&W in the right brand will out-speed most of the 10mm loads on the market. It really is very pathetic what industry has done to the .40 caliber stuff.

@bradh74 8 месяцев назад

GOOD VIDEO! I SEE 9mm AS THE PRACTICAL CHOICE FOR PERSONAL DEFENSE BECAUSE OF AVAILABILTY! IF THERE'S AMMO AT THE STORE THEY'LL HAVE 9mm. I personally agree with your point of view (evidence you have is fact after all) but I will carry a 9mm most times just because it's kind of a workhorse (not the best or worst at anything and does everything you need to do). Speed doesn't mean penetration as much as more trauma in the first part of the wound, so if the vitals are in that area it would die faster, because of more damage but it won't enable you to take larger game because of that it will just expire sooner, which is what you want for an attacker or a dangerous animal. So not a 9mm "fan boy" there is no perfect cartridge for every situation, defeating armor/bone I believe that speed is superior in that case to break through and cause a lethal wound but you already know that. The caps were a joke because of the pinned comment! 9mm is here to stay but it's not more powerful just ample in most cases a compromise. (the first personal defense round that has enough power to hurt a people/attacker). I was surprised when I watched a video with a test with rifles and the penetration was hardly different in gel with a round of the same weight that had 15% more speed.(1.75") I wonder how the 350 legend stacks up and what type of bullet you should use to get the penetration you need? (should be a good prepper round being you can use 9mm bullets to reload and it has 5.56 brass, so you should be able to find that stuff)

@44SWAGNUM-MAGA5 8 месяцев назад

I usually watch on my phone but i happen to be on my computer with gaming headphones and the difference in sound in 9mm and 357 sig is crazy ,the 357 sig echo thru the forest.

@jeffc2124 2 месяца назад

Just bought 2 boxes of underwood Xtreme defender .357 Sig for my EFK fire dragon (conversion barrel, .40 > .357) Taurus PT-100 and plan on it being my EDC. It’s roughly 2 bucks a round but the range ammo is not at all outrageously priced online, and my local range sells it at a reasonable price also (adds up roughly to what I pay online with the shipping taken into consideration)

@oldcop18 7 месяцев назад

As always impressive marksmanship at distance Sam. I’d never considered the .357 Sig but this has given me something to think about.

@Dcm193 2 месяца назад

How many classes has your current carry gun been through?

@ru2yaz33 8 месяцев назад

The interesting thing with the .357 Sig, the velocities typical have a smaller standard deviation.

@livincincy4498 8 месяцев назад

I am 6’ tall so a 5” barrel is not hard to conceal. I agree with your opinion on a 5” barrel being a preferred length. It seems to ensure adequate velocity.

@exothermal.sprocket 8 месяцев назад

I think the handle is more difficult to conceal than the barrel in most cases.

@kenneth1884 8 месяцев назад

More powder will always win. Thanks for the .357 videos. 👍🏻

@duaneridings6591 8 месяцев назад

Great video Sam You are correct about the multiple shots for the 9 mm . After the FBI dropped the 40 the term " dump the mag "' came out

@exothermal.sprocket 8 месяцев назад

Makes a person really wonder much much money was actually saved departmentally by going back to 9mm. That's not the only motive but it was one of them.

@duaneridings6591 8 месяцев назад

@@exothermal.sprocket There is no doubt in my mind that a good salesperson had quite a bit to do with the 9 mm . as growing up in the era of the 5.56 NATO had the biggest impact , and then the 9mm . just like the automobile the public has settled on smaller and less power

@Dcm193 2 месяца назад

@@duaneridings6591the new York reload proves that wrong . As does the invention of auto loading handguns .

@jimsanders4412 7 месяцев назад

Before I bought my first pistol, I considered a .357 sig. However, at that time, the 357 was relatively new, and there were many more bullet/gun options for the 9mm available. So, I went with the 9 and started buying up ammo. Well, with technology being what it is, and the advancement in bullet & powder performance, if I were to “start from scratch” today, I would go with the.357 sig…no question. But seeing as I have all this 9mm stuff, I feel very confident in my Federal HST 124 +P rounds.😉😄

@Team_BW 8 месяцев назад

That 9mm fired thru the denim and MDF showed definite signs of yaw

@GunSam 8 месяцев назад

Yeah I saw that. Looks like great damage, and I guess it is, but unpredictable damage isn't necessarily a win unless it was made to do that like a Fort Scott TUI

@codyworley5623 5 месяцев назад

Holy crap that Sig gets there so much faster!

@bobcatforever3485 8 месяцев назад

GS. Good video. Always interesting comparisons. Thanks for sharing and take care.

@duncanomalley5370 7 месяцев назад

I’m sorry but just cause you find it online doesn’t mean it’s not hard to find. During the whole last 4 years they’ve only had one kind at every store I went to. I go every Friday to my local store and every other week travel around to mom and pop and big box stores. It’s alway just one kind 99% it American Eagle and it’s $65 a box of fmj. I LOVE THE 357 Sig, I think ammo manufacturers should concentrate more on it than 40 cal. So it can come down in price. I would much rather have it than my 40 cal. But it’s pricey and it IS hard to find. I like how powerful it is though. And sometimes shipping to your home isn’t an option.

@shinjiikari8999 8 месяцев назад

I really enjoyed this video. Get well soon from your health issue brother

@dangerman007 8 месяцев назад

I don't own a .357 SIG or 9MM, but if I were to get one, I would choose the SIG for obvious reasons....

@Sirgromulus 8 месяцев назад

Would love to see some comparisons between 357 SIG and 10mm defensive ammo.

@DinoNucci 8 месяцев назад

Send him some

@CHEECHMUN 7 месяцев назад

I remember shooting soda bottles with 9 & 357. The 357 had a more violent explosion!!!!

@adamsaylor7427 8 месяцев назад

Irrelevant to this video, but Sam, I actually did go out and get a .40 after your video about your driving experience. I will definitely be getting a .357 Sig barrel for it (Glock 27- first .40 and first Glock)

@GunSam 8 месяцев назад

Nice. You will love that I just bought a Taurus G2C in .40 S&W today. Has a 3.2" barrel, so my tests will for sure represent at least what you will get in a pistol like a Glock 27. Edit- I can't get a .357 Sig barrel for it, but as fas as .40 S&W goes I plan a lot of testing in it.

@chrisgabbert658 8 месяцев назад

👍😊 your good with those pistols and that ammunition works, accurate. Dual wheedle them someday when you feeling it 👍.

@wemcal 8 месяцев назад

Great video and great information… the .357 sig is always great

@bohnhoff346 8 месяцев назад

Thanks for another great test

@craigbenz4835 8 месяцев назад

To quote Dick Fairburn 9mm adequate, 357 Sig reliable.

@mikejensen6684 8 месяцев назад

Enjoying the videos. Good stuff

@Duty2Domicile 8 месяцев назад

Great review and thank you for using similar guns and ammunition for the comparison. It’s hard to get good data when people are using different platforms and different brands of ammunition which will vary the results. Can you do a review of the S&W 3-5-7 guns, the 5” in particular?

@HopefulForever-ln5xm 8 месяцев назад

Time to get a 357 conversion barrel for my 40

@kevinrichardson8859 8 месяцев назад

Good move

@gdsnuff 7 месяцев назад

Good video as always!

@zigbeegooblesnort125 8 месяцев назад

Yep, .357 Sig is a super-dupper 9mm with its biggest detriment being super-dupper COST. I can't imagine the cost of shooting .357 in a match or practice session. Hence, I've yet to see a .357 in an IDPA, USPSA, or Steel Challenge match or even a practice day at the range.

@GunSam 8 месяцев назад

$22 per 50 rounds isn't really what I call super-duper. And that's the .357 Sig cost. You can go on ammoseek and see many many options like that. So i'm not sure where you came up with that idea as it's not factual.

@donwyoming1936 8 месяцев назад

They still make 357 Sig? Groovy 🤠

@GunSam 8 месяцев назад

It's more popular than people think. It might not have 9mm and .45 ACP popularity, but it's a lot more common and popular than an oddball caliber. If I had to make three classes of ammo, 1. being all the popular stuff like 9mm, .45 ACP, .380 ACP and so on and 3. being really hard stuff to find like .327 Federal Mag or .45 Super, I would say it would be in a class 2. along with .44 Special, .32 S&W Long, .25 ACP and others that are always floating around out there and most people know about.

@cheeng1 7 месяцев назад

Nice comparison & nice video, 357sig definitely more potent. I don't think it's enough difference to make a practical difference.

@Stalin4403 8 месяцев назад

Being a fan boy of 9mm is kinda like being a Chiefs fan after the Superbowel. 9mm is the most widely used cartridge today. Most guns are chambered in it. While the poor old sig is like that super hot lady sitting in the corner by herself.

@GunSam 8 месяцев назад

It is an incredible round. Has the highest level of mediocracy in today's world.

@exothermal.sprocket 8 месяцев назад

Did you spell "Superbowel" like that on purpose? hahahaha.

@Soli_Deo_Gloria_. 8 месяцев назад

I JUST WANT TO SAY WHAT'S ON MY MIND REGARDING YOUR POSITION ON 9MM..... Hahaha... lol Thanks for all you do, keep it up n' God bless brother

@jonweaver4987 8 месяцев назад

There's no tears. The 9 did great. .357 sig is better. It's just physics.

@GunSam 8 месяцев назад

No more tears. I heard that in Ozzy's voice for some reason.

@jonweaver4987 8 месяцев назад

@@GunSam 😆 glad you're feeling better.

@misterfister7262 8 месяцев назад

As someone who pocket carries a .380 while at work and carries a 9mm when not at work, I bet the .357 smokes the 9mm. (Not even 2 minutes in)

@jasonlucero352 3 месяца назад

I love my 357sig. Powerful, Very flat shooting and when shot out of my micro roni, it feels more like I'm shooting a rifle as far as accuracy at distance and impact energy at distance. Just wish it was cheaper and more readily available at local stores.

@progunliberal 8 месяцев назад

Noice hits at 75. I don't even understand hitting something that far with a handgun. Impressive. I did take my naa mini mag to the range yesterday and was able to put 5 rounds in the head box as 15 feet, which I was pretty happy about with a sub 2 inch barrel. Still hoping you do some 22mag ballistics tests with an naa! 😊

@GunSam 8 месяцев назад

when you shoot stuff very far away with a handgun, it sharpens the senses and skills. Basic marksmanship is more important than most other elements of handgun defense. How much time do I need to aim to place all my shots center mass at 7 yards? Not a lot, and with no sights.

@exothermal.sprocket 8 месяцев назад

Smacks like the magnum at that distance.

@livincincy4498 8 месяцев назад

Thanks again !

@akejohansson2860 8 месяцев назад

You do a great job Man!👍💯🇸🇪🇫🇮🇺🇦

@GunSam 8 месяцев назад

Thank you

@Fudmottin 8 месяцев назад

Pretty impressive overall. I normally don't think much of the Hornady Custom although it is definitely better than the American Gunner. Great shooting. Now I'm wondering why Lucky Gunner was so down on the 357 Sig a few years back when he was basically citing IWBA material and the like. That criticism of the cartridge also got applied to the 357 Magnum which is quite a flash bang out of a 2" barrel.

@GunSam 7 месяцев назад

Speaking of .357 Magnum in a 2".....I'm stupidly getting back into it lol. I ordered a Taurus G2C in .40 S&W so I got a lot of ammo ready to ship comparing .40 S&W to .357 Mag in short barrels. Underwood, Barnes, Critical Defense on the way in both calibers.

@Fudmottin 7 месяцев назад

@@GunSam That should be interesting. The 40 has a bit more total volume to work with. I think it's a higher pressure cartridge as well, but I don't recall. Energy numbers might be on par with a 165 vs a 125.

@Cowboy7350 8 месяцев назад

9mm is, always has been, and will always be a sh$t round.Overated and underpowered,I think I'll go enjoy a glass of 9mm Fanboy tears 😭😊😂

@frankhinkle5772 8 месяцев назад

That .357SIG does hit with authority! How would you rate it against .40S&W? I know that previously you had said if you only had one gun that you would prefer your S&W M&P in .40SW. Does that statement still stand?

@GunSam 7 месяцев назад

From what I have to go off from, such as stories of .357 Magnum and limited footage of .357 Sig shootings, it appears .357 Sig really is a one shot stop cartridge. From what I have seen with .40 S&W, it's generally a cartridge resolving an incident with 2 shots or so. I personally carry .40 S&W in my pistol in my vehicle as I know it's going to function fine and be easier to shoot to some degree, less flash. I feel like .40 S&W is about as high as I want to go while still retaining that reliable low flash cartridge.

@exothermal.sprocket 8 месяцев назад

One thing I don't recall ever seeing addressed in gel tests across the board of RU-vid videos, is the discussion of what might occur should a projectile penetrate beyond the "idea" depth in the real world. Do people believe that a bullet that's left the target medium possesses the exact same lethality as it did when it entered the target medium? It's not a laser beam. It's not a self propelled torpedo. It's not a drill bit. It's not nuclear radiation. It's not acid. It's a piece of metal. It's not unlike a stone flung from a slingshot. After 16 inches of gel, should a round break free, it's not likely it has enough energy to break a tough piece of leather, or skin for that matter. You might have as much danger with it (in this scenario) as you would someone throwing a small stone as hard as they can. It's gonna hurt. It's dangerous. But it has had most of its momentum and velocity removed already.

@GunSam 8 месяцев назад

This is as close as I have addressed it ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-TUcsa5xbhz4.html

@exothermal.sprocket 8 месяцев назад

@@GunSam Thanks Sam for refreshing my memory. The outcome is mixed, I guess as I would expect due to the different loads and calibers in use. Some of them had most all of their motion energy expelled and some had enough left to deem dangerous.

@GunSam 8 месяцев назад

@@exothermal.sprocket I would imagine, if a hollowpoint were to pass through, it would have to be moving much slower. The .45 ACP ball easily cuts through fleshy material.

@exothermal.sprocket 8 месяцев назад

@@GunSam What was the primary reason for hardball in military function, do you know? I've read mixed reasons about this, regarding what effect they wished the projectile to achieve.

@holl0918 7 месяцев назад

10mm Auto has joined the chat

@jessiejane6259 8 месяцев назад

I handload 357 sig with the 90 grain XTP projectile, averaging 1685 fps out of Glock 31 and that is not even the max load SAAMI pressure.

@brucecook502 8 месяцев назад

40 S&W FTW!!!

@kevinrichardson8859 8 месяцев назад

Nothing wrong with the 40sw...it's a good round...it's just NOT as good as a 357sig 💪

@brucecook502 8 месяцев назад

@@kevinrichardson8859 🤬

@dwheeler016 8 месяцев назад

All Hail Sig.

@markthe2nd741 8 месяцев назад

357 Sig definitely outdid the 9mm, but at more than twice the price. I don't think I'll be venturing into grizzly bear country anytime soon so I'll just stick with my nines. Pretty sure they'll take down anything I might have to deal with and I can practice a lot more with it.

@GunSam 8 месяцев назад

I paid $21.99 for each of these boxes. Sure the 9mm has 5 more rounds in the box, but where are you coming up with 'more than twice the price' from? It's weird and not factual. I can buy .357 Sig in 50 round boxes of target ammo also for $22-$25. While that might be twice as much as the bottom dollar 9mm ammo, it's not at a prohibitive level. Please give sources for your info. You obviously made it up, which annoys me.

@markthe2nd741 8 месяцев назад

@@GunSam I didn't make it up. Those were online prices I saw. Still, by your own admission it's more expensive and that could be prohibitive for a lot of people. The difference in power isn't enough for most people to worry about. Not many of us will encounter something a 9 won't kill. If I was in bear or moose country I'd rather have the Sig, or better yet a 10mm, but I'm not and 9 is cheaper to practice with.

@GunSam 7 месяцев назад

@@markthe2nd741 I'm not looking to kill, I am looking to stop a threat. The .357 Sig is superior at that regardless of if it kills. A .380 ACP and a .44 Mag in a central nervous system shot will kill just the same, but there's statistics on all of this showing how more power stops threats with less shots. I just do not see .357 Sig as cost prohibitive. Like, how many rounds do you need? I am not a competition shooter, I talk self defense, carrying a better caliber really doesn't negate whatever training you can get on a different firearm. I see nothing wrong with having a .40 S&W pistol and having the option of .357 Sig

@markthe2nd741 7 месяцев назад

@@GunSam I don't have anything against 357 Sig or anyone owning that caliber or any other that they can afford. All I'm saying is that 9mm in most cases is quite a bit cheaper than 357 Sig and that makes it cheaper to practice with. 9mm with the right ammo will more often than not, stop any human threat. 357 Sig is a great round and it is superior to 9mm, but not everyone can afford to practice with it on a regular basis. I'm one of them, at least at this point. I would love to have a 10mm but right now I just can't afford one. To me all calibers have their place and uses, I don't hate any of them, but cost of feeding them can be an issue for some. It wasn't my intention to put down 357 Sig, I was just pointing out that it was more expensive than 9mm. Hope this clarifies my diatribe and I do really like your videos.

@weirdshibainu 8 месяцев назад

For me it's not a case of being a 9mm "fanboy" it's more the case of the fact that I don't reload so the lack of availability of .357 Sig and per round cost compared to 9mm is what makes the difference.

@GunSam 8 месяцев назад

Now I don't understand that comment. I will assume you cannot purchase online. There's huge amounts of it online at $22 per 50

@weirdshibainu 8 месяцев назад

@@GunSam I can purchase online. 9mm is still cheaper online than. 357 sig, but my local dealers gouge on .357 sig and I don't want to be dependent strictly on online

@GunSam 7 месяцев назад

@@weirdshibainu One has to understand though, that I would only realistically recommend doing what I did. And that is, buy a .40 S&W pistol and then get a conversion barrel for .357 Sig so that I can use both. I know a lot of people think you have to practice with only what you carry, but the recoil is pretty similar in my opinion between .357 Sig and .40 S&W. So I can shoot either one for practice and shoot less .357 Sig, and it all works out fine.

@weirdshibainu 7 месяцев назад

@@GunSam I understand. I own 9mm platforms. I'll likely move up to 10mm next. Thanks for the video

@mikem.2078 8 месяцев назад

Is the 9mm Hornady 147grain indeed "subsonic"? Because Hornady makes two different boxes, same specs and all, and one box is like the one in the video, and one has a big label 'Subsonic". Why did the second set of shots do more flowering? The denim made the bullets expand whereas straight gel does not?

@GunSam 8 месяцев назад

The Hornady Custom and the Subsonic have the same velocity rating. They could be the same ammo, but in my experience in the past it seems that when the same thing, such as American Gunner VS Custom of the same weights and velocity ratings, that the Custom line has more consistent velocity. I would consider the first shots as being flowered more.

@mikem.2078 8 месяцев назад

@@GunSam Oh ok, thanks. I just meant, it seemed the second shots had more damage path and the first shots seemed like straight thin lines. Not sure how to word it.

@jameshood9694 8 месяцев назад

I have never fired a 357 Sig but am interested in it. Been debating between getting a 357 Sig or 10mm for a woods sidearm. I assume 10mm would be better but could be wrong

@bullaaron 8 месяцев назад

357sig is the king!

@pete7178 8 месяцев назад

If I could only have one gun, it wouldn't be a niche caliber that is hard to find.

@Jaycv-dq3rg 8 месяцев назад

Why does most 9 mm 45acp 357 stop around 16 to 20 inches

@josephpepper3087 8 месяцев назад

I always thought the .357 147 XTP gr and 9mm 147 gr XTP used the same bullet! You sure?

@GunSam 8 месяцев назад

There's a photo I put in the first few minutes. Look at that photo. @ 0:46

@josephpepper3087 8 месяцев назад

@@GunSam Yes, you did. That's what I get for skipping 10 sec. 😁

@carlpreston1680 7 месяцев назад

I have the 100 quantity box of 147 grain XTPs for reloading they have the small hole it doesn't specify what they're for I got them for my 9x25 Dillon

@tommcqueen3145 8 месяцев назад

👍👍

@muffemod 5 месяцев назад

How did you get an M&P 2.0 in 357 sig?

@GunSam 5 месяцев назад

I don't understand that being a question, unless you didn't actually watch the video, as I clearly stated that information.

@muffemod 5 месяцев назад

@@GunSam :) I watched the other video and found the answer. But yea I didn't watch this one yet.

@DinoNucci 8 месяцев назад

RoaR

@andrewtrembly3884 4 месяца назад

357 sig is king

@KFGHQ 7 месяцев назад

Hornaday is all marketing hype. Federal, Speer and Sig V Crown are so much better in both calibers.

@BuckeyeBallistics 8 месяцев назад

Saying 9mm is just as good a .357sig is like saying .40S&W is just as good as 10mm. You can always cherry pick loads to make one beat the other, but the best of the latter is always better than the best of the former...

@GunSam 8 месяцев назад

My favorite cherry picking video was Military Arms Channel and his 2018 video "9mm spanks the .38 Special and rivals .357 Magnum". He used a Glock 43 3.41" barrel and used Gold Dot 9mm+P and got 1,145 FPS, then in a snub nose used Starfire .38 Special+P 125 gr from a S&W M&P snub 1.875" and got 789 FPS lol. A normal .38 Special+P load in a snub gives around 900 FPS, Buffalo Bore does like 1,100 FPS in a snub. Then uses .357 Magnum 125 gr American Gunner and got 1,090 FPS lol. A normal Remington HTP/UMC 125 gr does an easy 1,250 FPS from a 2" barrel. End result, 9mm had 361 ft lbs energy, .357 Magnum had 330 ft lbs energy and the .38 Special had 173 ft lbs energy. Like what a joke. He 'proved' 9mm is more powerful than even .357 Magnum. The issue I have is while that 9mm+P number of 361 ft lbs from a short barrel is correct, literally every .38 Special+P like Critical Defense, UMC etc is 225 ft lbs energy and Buffalo Bore/Underwood is closer to 350 ft lbs. The .357 Magnum in a snub, depending on load gives me 420-480 ft lbs energy from my 2" snub.

@BuckeyeBallistics 8 месяцев назад

@@GunSam Wow, he must have been trying to incite a riot- or was it posted on April 1st lol. That's a cherry pick to top all cherry picks AND sabotage. Picking one of the most watered down .357 magnum loads and putting it through one of the shortest barrels to intentionally make it as weak as possible. I gotta go check this out now to see if it was satire or not lol...

@BuckeyeBallistics 8 месяцев назад

@@GunSam I tried to leave a thoughtful reply but youtube deleted my comment. But basically, wow, that's crazy man! Cherry pick of all time right there...

@GunSam 8 месяцев назад

It wasn't satire lol.

@istartedajoke1704 8 месяцев назад

I love both calibers..but I'm more accurate with fallow up shots with my 26!! I'll be getting my second 1911 in about a week...check my channel out if yall want to see it.

@mechanicalbow 8 месяцев назад

9 and 10 mm are the Kings of pistol rounds and caliber wars are stupid. Can we just go back to fighting over things that really matter like the fact that the end of the toilet paper roll goes over the front and the other way is an abomination?

@robertmakowski7808 8 месяцев назад

Sad the .357 is a dead round...almost no one makes guns for it...

@armedrebellion47 8 месяцев назад

It's far from dead. There are so many videos on the 357 sig, and all you have to do is read the comments on the videos. 357 sig has a huge following.

@wilburfinnigan2142 8 месяцев назад

The 357 Magnum is louder and it is more powerful !!!

@GunSam 8 месяцев назад

Sort of. The .357 Magnum and .357 Sig are about equal in current times for power. Now if you go Buffalo Bore that uses more of the original .357 Magnum specs, that is quite a bit more powerful. Closer to 700 ft lbs energy in my duty size 4" revolver.

@thomase6787 6 месяцев назад

Just get a 10mm and call it a day…

@certaindeaf8315 8 месяцев назад

Not a fan boi of bottleneck pistol cartridges. They're much more prone to bullet setback and are problematic to reload for for that reason. No thanks.

@certaindeaf8315 8 месяцев назад

@@jmichaelcarbonniere9549 Comparing the 5.56 to the .357 SIG is disingenuous.. the .357 SIG is indeed problematic to load for. I'll leave the .357 SIG to the fan bois.

@geofftimm2291 8 месяцев назад

Whut? No .38 Super? The Great John M. Browning's best??

@GunSam 8 месяцев назад

I get asked that a lot, but it's really not that practical for me. I don't know of any cheap .38 Super conversion barrels for any of my pistols. And buying an expensive pistol that uses ammo that has a lot less variety to test doesn't make sense for someone like me where I am limited in what I can test as I don't make a ton of money.

@pecosjane 8 месяцев назад

I like my .38 Super, a LOT. I do handload my range ammo so I can afford to shoot the Super without too much worry about ammunition prices. Still, I AM getting older, my back IS getting stiffer, and picking up that spent semi-auto brass seems to become more challenging every time I go to the range. OTOH, my .357 Magnum brass sits politely in my wheelgun until I walk over to the bench and dump it directly into the ammo box. 😊. But if any asks about my pistol, I can say, “Oh, yeah. That’s the same gun that Bonnie Parker carried!” 😂

@Kelly-oq9nh 8 месяцев назад

@@pecosjaneNothing wrong with a 357 revolver. I feel adequately armed with my 5 shot J frame.Would love to have a 3” Python though. I daily carry a 43X but will pocket carry my j frame when needed.Also love my Glock 32 357 Sig and my Glock 22 with conversion barrel. That’s why I love this channel… With so many options it’s good to see and learn from Sams testing.

@danielaramburo7648 8 месяцев назад

357 sig is almost 357 magnum in power.

@indianajets 8 месяцев назад

.357 sig is to 9mm what 9mm is to .380.. facts Anything. 357 is better than 9mm.. Sig or Mag..

@GunSam 8 месяцев назад

YES

@allenbolen9705 8 месяцев назад

No reason for this title!

@GunSam 8 месяцев назад

You don't experience a day in running a RU-vid channel lol. It's never ending. A lot of people deserve this title and that's and understatement. The nonsense of how 9mm is more powerful than .357 Magnum, how 9mm beats .44 Magnum because the added up total energy is more, and so on.

@allenbolen9705 8 месяцев назад

@@GunSam I think you bring a lot of it on yourself! You regularly and intentionally say and do things to cause it! Just my opinion and I unfollowed you. Anyone with reasonable intelligence knows 9 mm is not the most powerful! I think it’s the most popular and best value to shoot a lot!

@Soli_Deo_Gloria_. 8 месяцев назад

Let that salt flow @@allenbolen9705 hahaha

@FoulPet 8 месяцев назад

Sure there is. All the 9mm fans will click it and comment

@allenbolen9705 8 месяцев назад

@@FoulPet I unsubscribed

@gsw313 8 месяцев назад

9mm 🤣🤣🤭🤭

@DinoNucci 8 месяцев назад

XTP = 💩

@GunSam 8 месяцев назад

XTP is a good bullet, but it's more of a universal hollow point that is sort of good at self defense, sort of good at hunting. Like a Federal HST is a better self defense bullet and a soft point is a better hunting bullet, but an XTP is in the middle.

@DinoNucci 8 месяцев назад

@@GunSam I respect that opinion. I've seen XTP fail in gel too many times to give them anymore than a 💩 rating. Especially since they aren't sold as bulk / budget projectiles.

@FoulPet 8 месяцев назад

I think critical defense is one of the better choices. Unfortunately it's difficult to find a bulk deal on so I buy hst and golddot

@stevenflores5549 8 месяцев назад

9mm boys…..” but….. but….. capacity…..and… re…recoil…” in sad girl noises.

@GunSam 7 месяцев назад

Same people who tell you that 10mm is king and .40 S&W is short and weak, then shoot a .40 S&W and call it snappy, then tell you the .40 S&W has less capacity so it's useless. They also claim .357 Sig isn't available anywhere and it's twice the price of 9mm, all the while .357 Sig is $22 a box of 50 and defensive ammo is identical price as the 9mm.