🚨 Minstrels In The Black Church (For ALL MUSICIANS & SINGERS) * FULL CONVERSATION* 

Tell that to the pastors that aren't teaching or preaching bout nothing...

So we’re just saying that I’ll give myself an example I played at a church that had 5 to 6 choirs. Each choir had their designated night of rehearsal so I was at rehearsal five times a week. That’s including Sundays. We had two services on Sundays so 60% of my time I was at church. I could not find a secular job that paid me well because my availability was really really bad because I was at the church so much, and not only that as a drummer, the songs were very complex so I also had to get there earlier a few hours earlier so I get there around 3 o’clock in the afternoon when nobody is there but just the church secretary and I would practice the songs Until rehearsal Jobs would not hire me because my availability was bad and if I did get the job by the grace of God I had very minimum hours so are you telling me I should get nothing they paid me $200 $800 a month direct deposit into my account with the tax to be $788 so you’re telling me that I’m supposed to do that for free??? The Bible says a man is worthy of his, and the Bible says gifts will make room and Talent That payment they made Hairdressers police officers doctors lawyers they get paid but the moment you step foot in the church now all of a sudden we say it’s God‘s house, but the Bible also says the Earth is the Lord and the fullness there of so you should not get paid anywhere Will trust in God that he will provide is that he gave us a job and that job just so happens to be a musician musicians a musician is a type of Work. People that are in music is a profession.

Did you have a job outside of church? For many musicians, playing, singing, directing, teaching music and doing it well is a full time job. They don't just work on Sunday. They practice daily and rehearsal with other musicians and singers.for them their life revolves around music. Yet they still have to pay mortgage, utilities, phone bill etc.

Bottom line is it’s not how good you play it’s whether God receives your sacrifice. That has nothing to do with how you play but how you live.

Your times are much better than ours, and this is coming from a young adult. What you experienced was a true family in Christ. Today's church knows very little about sacrificial love and, in turn, knows very little about the power of God. They want the tithe but will charge you for a funeral at their facility which is also yours because you're a member, you're family and it's your money that funds the place. It is very disheartening to see the Christian Church of today feeling justified in thinking differently about things like this. It has become "our kingdom come" instead of "thy kingdom come".

Sue: It's so shameful, or it should be the absence of a relationship with Christ among the panelist: including the pastors.

I think that the questions were very much specifically about the differences in opinion and thoughts. The one thing everyone has in common is a relationship with christ. It's sort of a given. I don't think they came all that way to talk about something as common as a relationship with christ. If you watched this whole video and thought anyone in there was lacking a relationship with christ then idk 🤷🏾‍♂️

that's should be the point shouldn't it? But a lot of us are blind to this fact.

This discussion is not about relationship specifically. Relationship should be a prerequisite to being in ministry. This discussion is about how people who already have a relationship are treating each other.

@@Dwilsonmusic145 A relationship with Christ isnt as common as you may think especially among us musicians

Exactly this!

Nehemiah 12:47 & 13

@@stephencosey5797 never even knew that was there!!!

Curious to know how he was being treated

I understand both sides. I used to be the church book-keeper. It was a very small church but pastor asked us to volunteer book-keeping services plus it looks better at IRS. There were times we barely could keep the lights on but we had to pay the musician no matter what. She had a good full time job too. We also had to pay her taxes which would be tight too. So i asked her if she wanted to help the church and pay her taxes at the end of the year -,so she said yes. At the end of the year -she owed and came back and fussed at me. I politely said, i asked u if u wanted to help the church so they don't have to monitor pay out your taxes for u and u said "yes." She said, i remember. Don't want to do that anymore. I sweetly said, you don't want to help the church? She laughed and said no. I ask u musicians and singers the same question.

That’s the truth! Arrogance!

Absolutely. I just started and had to pause cause I don’t believe the things coming out of their mouths.

So your going to say they arent saved because of what they said on a particular topic based on what their experiences??

Agreed !

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Amen!

@t d you ain’t lying…and this is my problem…when you look at this as a job then your going to be treated like it’s a job. People are church hurt and need to let the lord heal them. But great comment

There's so much wrong with your statement and that mentality. First of all musicians being paid to do the service of the temple is BIBLICAL nothing you said is biblical its just a churchy opinion. Secondly churches pay everybody else those plumbers and electricians and any other service providers don't meet any of those standards your internet provider is providing service to the church during service also and the church pays them. Also let me help you because you obviously don't know how it works behind the scenes but the largest bill most churches have is the pastor they not only get paid but they also get allowances for housing, cars some get grocery allowances some get percentages of offerings and most churches are only paying musicians $100-$300 Also there wasnt a single group of levites in the temple day and night there was a entire tribe they shared the duties. Musician can go get jobs most do have jobs cuz the church doesn't pay much don't get it twisted thinking theres some huge amount of money being passed out there are services I've played and been there for hours and got $50 that ain't nothing

@@philly440 Blessing. Where is the scripture chapter and verse references? Thanks for sharing.

@@philly440 cant compare what a musician does to the duties of a Pastor. Their job is 100 times harder than us musicians. The problem is that most musicians wanna be FT musicians and make a career out of it and outside of mega churches, most smaller midsize churches dont have the money to pay that. You talkin about making at least 50k a year to be a FT musician and mind you we got MDs out here making well over 100k at these mega churches. So if let's say the keyboardist is getting 50, what about the drummer, Aux Keys, Organist, bass player etc. You looking at well over 100k a year in just the musicians alone. There aren't enough mega churches for everyone to get that type of bread so it turns into musical hitmen for hire. Guys playin 2-3 church services on a Sunday just to get the bag they looking for. It's just not something guys should look at as a "career". Keep a regular job be a devoted member to your church and play there. Whatever they pay you wont be as important because you aren't looking to them for your mainstream of income. But in this day and age, it may be wishful thinking.

Doctors, lawyers, teachers, astronauts, lawyers, veterinarians, fast food, workers, retail workers only what you do for Christ will last so don’t ask for a paycheck do it for free

Say that!

Amen, brother! What appears to here is a lack of training in the principles of the Word of God. Hearing these answers remind me of the church in I Corinthians 1-3. They were very gifted but very immature. Gifts are given but the fruit of character is grown.

That’s so true..

Lord Jesus!

EXACTLY....just listening to these individuals shows me they're ARROGANT AND SELF. My biggest concern for them is "WHO:are they playing for? 2nd....they need ANOTHER JOB because the WAY they're addressed this topic ,it's like they're saying THEY control the narrative....( just listen to HOW they talk) . These people need to check themselves. I have played for several churches, while being a FULL-TIME truck driver (OTR). I KNOW WHO I'm playing for. Once you understand that compensation won't be an issue and you'll trust the LORD for the results.

@@frederickweeksjr.1189 So, what is the answer to them?

I would not leave for the money because I take my ministry VERY SERIOUSLY. Every song I select, I pray it touches the hearts and souls of all those who hear it. I thank God for using me as a vessel to let His word be heard through me and received by those who need to be ministered to. At the same time, it is a business that I expect to be compensated for. And if I feel I’m being taken advantage of, I would certainly take my ministry elsewhere. It doesn’t matter to me where God sends me, there are people EVERYWHERE in need of being ministered to. Even if it meant being paid less elsewhere. Respect t be given. I Will not allow disrespect to cause havoc, interfering with my ministry.

Yes! Its so amazing to see hkw these musicians are serving within the church and how they navigate using their gift.

Exactly. They are thriving as musicians and my heart is warmed for it. It’s not easy being a musician because the disrespect is literally everywhere. May God continue to bless them, their careers, and their families that they support!

Whatever we do as ministers of the Gospel, we are to do it as unto the Lord. How I serve in the house of God is not about me getting the glory, it’s about God geatting it ALL. This not about people or individuals doing “THEIR THING”, it about allowing God to do His Thing throw us.

Period.

But as human being we have a bad tendency of doing that anyway😞

This is real talk.Itd open.clear and honest.No double talk.or nonsense.This way no one goes away from the table empty handed or feed a lot of "yahkidot".

EXACTLY!!!!

What profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul.

Agree is a close door discussion board not for RU-vid. But you know there's not humble people that like to live like the richest thru a gif given by God.

It was God that gave the the gift people are the ones who try to dictate how it should be used. Not God different music is for different occasions.

@@JaiiReed76 True. People want to control the gift. Our lives should be totally surrendered to God and led by Holy Spirit.

Yes it is a job because they want you to play for some random service or rehearsal every free moment that you have...I guess they think you're supposed to be on call!...you have to hunt people down to get paid.

@Dye Dye you don't get called to music ministry....if you want to play just say you want to play.

when lucifer was in heaven as the archangel, he was assigned over the music in heaven. read Ezekiel 28:12-15

@@spekialcay1 Satan was “assigned” over music by music’s creator, God. Satan doesn’t create music. He perverts it.

Its the attitude. Its disgusting, unholy, unthankful, ungreatful, and unbecoming. What happened to seek ye first the kingdom??

@@tw9946 ....and all these other things shall be added. The servant is worthy of his hire. 🎶🙏🏼🕊

Bet that ministry is TRASH

I 100 percent agree because they fail to understand that music is a job just like a doctor or teacher and they also fail to understand that musicians getting paid is a Biblical thing so they need to be compensated for their work. I don't know why there are getting it twisted cuz if u follow some of them u will play music there and u go back home and have no money to feed themselves and their children so as far as i am concerned they to stop believing that music is a hobby. Music is a job

@@danielevans561 You right. This is so poorly done. The nerve of these people to judge musicians because we are making a living is disgusting. No other profession is expected to do free everything. Let me speak to my fellow musicians right quick. I don’t care what no parishioner, pastor, bishop, or bubble gum shop degree reverend doctor says. Listen to me here. Do not work for free. Period. Value yourselves enough to get paid an income that is respectable and value yourselves enough to be treated respectfully. There is literally a section during tax season that says church musician. The government expects you to make an income as a church musician. Interestingly, I never see a tax section for pastors. Anyhoo. Stop playing for free. If you are working for free then you are not being valued. This video is proof positive that an entire church will judge the absolute love of Christ out of you simply because you desire to be a professional musician. Don’t let them do it. Get paid with money and also respect. Get paid.

Exactly suh they feel that it's ok to take advantage of musicians and mistreat them. It is not right ,musicians are getting paid from ever since if they read the bible properly they wouldn't be showing constant disrespect to musicians cuz this thing is biblical. However some of these musicians have families to take care of and what they fail to understand is that they should look into musicians doing it as a full time job,and not because they are getting paid for music services that doesn't mean that they don't ave a personal relationship with god. I am musician for over ten years and i am Christian and i find time to read the bible ,pray and spread the gospel to others so what they need to understand is that the problem is not having a relationship with god,the problem is churches in christendom are mistreating the musicians and they need to STOP that.cuz if they don't stop and those musicians get better treat elsewhere ,they are going leave the church and go where the better treatment is and don't return back. So the church need to bear this in mind and cease such attitude.

Agreed. So much disrespect

This is facts, this disrespect is real

You were also paid 5 likes. Perhaps you do not want to be a professional compensated musician. If you do want to be one, then I suggest you demand payment for your services. There is literally a section during tax season for church musicians. The government expects you to be paid. Get paid.

Don't even make sense smh. But it's also us as well we don't take care of our own but if it was a Susan or Nancy we go right away like the lady said even if they didn't have money I'd still go because of how they treated me

@Wil, so have I. My question is when does it stop? Are we going to start paying: Ushers, deacons, choir members? Its so sad and ungodly, this entire panel and the spirit behind it.

@@tw9946 so pastors only

@@tw9946 Ushers, deacons, and choir members do NOT put in the same amount of dedication and craft that musicians do.

The Black church is dead, it has no righteousness and no vaule

Exactly.

Say that!

Ain’t that the truth! We serve a Holy God and everything we do should look n feel holy! If u go into a clubs to draw folks out to be saved is one thing but to go n perform to make a dollar is another thing! who r u deceiving YOURSELF! Don’t get it twisted.

Let the wheat and the tare grow together

Some of these musicians were humble!

@@alcraw2551 humble but stuck in another mindset.

That died as capitalism gets stronger

I didn't hear anything about seeking God or a prayer life from panelist who feel they are vital to church service-for a fee of course. And these effeminate men calling themselves pastors and bishops....yeah ok. We'll see what God calls you on that day. The bible calls you what you are: workers of iniquity.

As I listen to these panelist it is clear to me that they are very talented and gifted. But I don’t discern hearts that seek after the Kingdom of God first. Jesus said where your heart is will be where your treasure is. Listening to them talk I didn’t hear anyone speak about their relationship with Christ, or accountability of the psalmist and minstrels. The church cannot be so desperate that we compromise the standards of the Word of God.

And their main concern and focus is on paper money that the FATHER GOD consider to be EVIL. For the love of money is the root of ALL EVIL.

CHURCH IS A BUSINESS. IT HAS BEEN SINCE THE DOORS OPENED CENTURIES AGO. BOTTOMLINE

@@davidwhite3180 This should only be partially true. A business run by Christians should have a Christlike mindset. There should be bend on both sides. If you can’t pay a musician properly, you should allow them leeway with their time. A musician who knows this shouldn’t take advantage of the situation. Christians should do all they can to do right by each other.

That is EXACTLY the topic of discussion. If you heard from the beginning, questions were brought up prior to this discussion that led to gathering this panel together to discuss those questions. Don’t be upset because they’re not discussing your other topic, it’s just not the topic of this particular discussion.

If is a business other than the FATHER's business is not a church is a house of mammon...

You better preach

But it depends upon the funeral contact-right? Some churches treat the music for funerals as a pre-paid expense, but they need to communicate that better-it seems.

Are we really trying to milk the family for additional monies at their time of grief, come on musicians. Pastors pay the musicians good and maybe they won't nickel dime u to death.

A musician is a musician people label them Church musicians music is not limited to just church

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PID

@@JaiiReed76 saying that is like saying a doctor is a doctor. Like a E.R. Doctor is the same as D.D.S yes they both have a phd both attended some form of medical school but their specialty are in two different fields. A gospel musician deals with your soul and salvation through Jesus Christ, as to wear secular music glorifies everything but the church. How can the 2 walk together unless they agree? What fellowship does light have with darkness?

This is CLEAR EVIDENCE to how LOST our people are!! Giving and expecting payment to use a GOD given gift fellowshipping in the name of The Most High!!! And they put this on RU-vid...🤦🏿‍♂️

Exactly. And then calling them "selfish" and "ungodly" for wanting that money even the Bible says they are deserving of, I can see why church musicians are noping out and getting secular gigs.

I guess they mean on a professional level. Like doing a job doesn't define you as a person.

Col. 1:16-17 says that Gid created ALL things and that ALL THINGS are for his purpose. He is before ALL THINGS and they all consist because of Him. Gospel and secular both consist because of God and have their purpose. It's the devil that perverts and pollutes those purposes. Now if you are singing secular music that promotes the devil's agenda (greed, murder, promiscuity, theft, etc) then no, God isn't pleased. But just because you sing secular music does not destroy your relationship with God. I'm a barber and I'm a minstrel. The same God gave me the gift to do both. I've seen some of the most outlandish things happen in a barbershop, not to mention barbers come with a preconceived reputation of the sexual nature. Should I not cut hair because of the foolishness that carries on in the shop or because what people think about barbers and their personal lives? NO! It's my integrity that doesn't allow me to indulge in the behaviors or conversations that aren't pleasing to God. Barbering is what I do (I CUT HAIR), being a believer is who I am. They must coexist by maintaining my integrity but they aren't one in the same. 🤷🏿‍♂️ IJS

She's making a excuse for her carnality ....

A church wanting a musician to play for free and say it's for God is not biblical as well. It's between the musician and God not the member the musician and God. Lol 90% of people who comment want the holy spirit filled musician to speak. Cause they can't play the organ. Or keys.... the training and hours it takes to get to these levels of expertise... while the rest of the members come free and hand out a program, a fan , a membership card. And get treated better than musicians. And last point don't throw stones when us musicians have a better view of the members laughing whispering talking during the word haha the church forgets what are point of view is from where we sit.

Exactly! Ministers of music have bills to pay too. Shoot! The pastor's paying his bills, if that's his/ her main income, go where the money is.

Some musicians actually believe in staying faithful to their church as a member..... myself included. I can't tell you how many times I have gotten calls to play for other churches, and some were willing to pay for a house for me and all that! But I was not lead by the spirit to leave so I didn't leave.

Seriously! They need to get some gray haired musicians on that panel. There ain’t no way we would tolerate the level of disrespect from these parishioners and pastors. How dare they judge us for our honest professions and livelihoods. Bruh!

That's a fact

@@willybeama1 It’s deeper than what you think. Being a servant and representative of God in the church cannot be compared to your common everyday job. In the Kingdom of God, to whom much is given, much is required.

Well said miss beautiful monique

Well stated Sis! Sounds like creeping compromise! Nobody can serve two masters simultaneously! Not one of these people can Biblically justify their juxtaposition!

Glad you said. You cannot eat at both tables. She's not living the Word. No wonder why the church needs a thorough cleaning to suffer from the clean and unclean. He said, be holy as he is holy.

No, it sounds like someone who is saved, but also needs money to eat. I'm sure if the church decided to stop shaming musicians and singers for wanting compensation for their using their gifts at the church like they pay the pastor, more people would be willing to do only gospel.

Literally serving two masters...once they start making that big money they will leave the church in a heart beat.... Every celebrity artist that came from church is our example.

Amen! The pastor's getting mad money but the rules change for everyone else & they can't let their gift make money for them. Smh

Why you say that?

The question is: who does the Pastor rely on to carry service?

And THERE it is....didn't surprise me a bit. 🤑 😫 🤑

And people fail to realise Non where in the BIBLE is seed money. No where. BIBLE gateway IT AND SEE. NONE

Please shut up. Stop speaking and acting like God. This is the type of stuff gets on Gods nerves. Judge mental asses

Neither are a lot of Pastor's.

There really not called

That’s not how she meant it. Being a porn star is a huge extreme compared to what she said which was just going to a club. She said that as long as her personality holds together she is alright, which more then likely means she doesn’t curse within the secular music. There are songs with curse words that can easily be replaced with another word. She also stated that people have come up to her for spiritual help in the club more the Anyone in the actual church house, which is absolutely gods will, idc what you say. She could save a life that night being in the club. Someone could be planning to shoot the club up and then they see her and walk up to her and ask her for spiritual advice and convince that young man or woman not to do so. That is absolutely the lords work right there

@@daunierthompson8978 easy to say when we don’t know the state of her true spiritual condition

how so?

Don't get me started at My house church,the women are treated differently than the men do I think it's fair no I do not that is my on going struggle with my church

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First of all, everybody is not a Levite: these folks have not said anything about be sanctified and set aside for God: the musicians and singers had to be sanctified: God is not mixing his Spirit with the world: God's house is is called the house of prayer: we r using God's house as a night club. Let's quit pimping God's people: God has his order already in the word: lot of these people are not even saved: the lifestyle comes first: Gifts and callings are without repentance: we must remember, judgment must began at the house of God: God is going to purge his house from the choir stand to the back door: what does God's word has to say about this

Amen! 🙏🏿

LOLLLLLL!!!! So true tho👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽

we are no longer under the law but grace. it is not applicable to us unless we want to live exactly as they did...

SHOULD NOT, SHOULD NOT, SHOULD NOT!! No anointing, full of pride, they have stank attitudes, and real talk: Can the church address the obesity, and the unclean overall appearance of the panel?

Is this a real question?!

Correct you are!! I wish the "musicians" would humble themselves. This entire thing is bananas.