🚨 Stephen A., Perk & Shannon DISAGREE during KD legacy debate 🚨 | First Take 

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Well they both done winning now. It’s the younger guys time

Golden state won because Kyrie and love were hurt next season bron beat them in 7 then they needed KD

Unless something changes quick, Garbage State is looking at a decade long rebuild with a new GM

Yeah, but let's be real. They were not going to beat LeBron's team. LeBron was just a complete mismatch for that team. Without Durant, LeBron wins at least two more

Everyone can't be a leader.

Haha basically

@@brandonwilliams9560 that’s why everyone (KD) can’t be in the GOAT conversation

Becuz he's not the bus driver😅

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That's what I be saying couldn't agree more @starbucks583😂

You speak a lot for someone who doesnt know him. If you are struggling in life thats on you, figure it out yourself.

@@kjjr3270 aren’t you doing the same?

Huh! I am guessing the quote "money doesn't bring happiness" went over your head!"

@@kjjr3270you’re literally doing the same thing. Dickhead

Wrong!!! More like Malone, Ewing, barkley, and Nash. Carmelo is nowhere near that level

@@ebwonstia KD is higher than those guys too tho.

More like Allen Iverson but better

Except KD has like 4 more scoring titles, a MVP & actually took his team to the Finals as the best player.. lmao.

You don’t know ball loser

It didn't as the warriors were already going to win. They were tops in offense and defense the years pre kd. They had already beat the cavs for 1 ring. They had a 75% head to head win rate against the healthy cavs while the warriors were healthy (minus steph) over that span. Kd joined in on a forgone conclusion and steph would still have 4 rings 2 mvps.

@@edwardcoward1062 they had beaten a cavs without their second and third best players. You may not put it in that context but i definitely do. And then I watched the Cavs beat them the following year. No one knows who wind in 17 & 18 if KD stays put, it could have even been the thunder.

@ragnarwillz4115 you're purposely avoiding what I stated. I stated the warriors were tops in offense and defense for those 2 seasons. Please list the teams in all of nba playoff history who were ranked lower in both (rating) categories compared to their opponent and won. I really want you to find this answer for me bc it seems you are trying to overlook the significance of this. I stated the warriors had a 75% head to head win percentage against those cavs when they were healthy and all parties not named steph on the warriors healthy. This holds true even in the 2016 finals. With just steph injured the warriors were up 3-1. It wasn't until iggy, bogut also got injured and green got suspended that the cavs started coming back. Think about it. It took 4 of the 6 top warriors getting injured or suspended for a game including their best player for it to go 7. No one knows what would happen but it's dang sure way more likely that the warriors continue to win. Unless you're saying they'd get 4/6 of their top players injured, suspended for a game again in 2017 and 2018.

Nah. Steph would still have 2 rings without KD and he'd be a FMVP. KD would be Melo🤷🏾a glorified scoring machine with no chips

@@Kwasi-kc5ej i said did more not defined his legacy

That’s proof he’s not a real champion

​@@alijordanx8954Says who?

⁠@@urbaindelva7869says non casual fans

Paper champion 🗞️📜

He should go back...seriously though

How? It's his numbers. You nerds care too much about stats.

laughing at 5 and 5 while working 5 to 5 is dirty

Got paid millions for it too.

If you’re a starter on a championship team idc what stats u had. Playing with 4 hof players it’s hard to get numbers

That double single hit different

Most ppl watching this probably have no idea who Johnny is.....

It’s really one of the most accurate comparisons period

​@@kgkg4118Get on the floor

I agree, I was like, *HELL NAW* that's a excellent comparison 😂

@@Ysoserious1 exactly and I use to be a KD fan perk finally had a good take

Absolutely, what made It worse was he left and the Warriors won with less help

Yea wouldn’t have mattered if he wasn’t as popular as Steph or even klay there at the time

Harden going to Houston cost them a dynasty in OKC

Nah

​@@russenterprise6502 no

Wow, you sound bitter, kid 😂 Future generations and historians aren't going to care about any of that. They'll see the rings, the accolades and the highlights. That's all that matters for KDs legacy.

@@BaithNaWow, you sound bitter and delusional, Grandma 🤣😀🤡 Theyll also see the video of Draymond humiliating KD by telling him "We dont need you. LEAVE" and the record books showing the Warriors won before and after him. Meanwhile, KD the Bus Rider never won without his PAPA Steph Cry more 🤪😀🤣😅🤡💯💯💯

@@BaithNabullshit

​​@@BaithNathey won't. That decision to leave will taint those 2 chips. Especially how he jumped ship

@@BaithNalmao copium on 1000 nobody even respects his rings right now goofy

Yep

Demar Derozan could of gone to that Warriors team and won a ring ,Durrant didn't prove anything in Golden state weaaak

Nah lebron move to join bosh and wade was

@@jdagreat4595 Lebron created a super team, KD joined one.

Nah he def should've left gsw if he wanted any respect.

@@russellwestbrookyellingatw9381 bro if he got 4 FMVP he would've gotten his respect

Nope. Hed always be looked at as a Bus Rider in Golden State Even 5 rings wouldnt have changed peoples minds Curry would always be looked at as KDs DADDY

NO ONE would've cared about those bs stacked rings. Imagine if Kobe lost to the Celtics in 08 then won titles with them after joining them in the summer. Literally NONE of you would have let that go.

Nope hes not going to get respect for staying ...yall wanted him to leave and he did , now yall killing him again for leaving lol . The problem i have with KD is he cared too much about what ppl think about him,dts why he made dat stupid decision to come out and play against toronto dt ended in disaster .u cnt please everyone in dis world ,just do whatevr makes u happy .

Cos lakers and warriors are sitting at home like the rest ofnus

To distract people from the Laker woes because Lebron was a topic last week but since then they’ve redirected fans attention to Kevin Durant.

Because media need KD Bron and Steph

What exactly is "the grind"? A lot of fans like you say it, but I doubt that you actually have a clear definition of what it means.

He means that KD’s history has shown that he cant stay with a team for at least 5+ years (other than OKC), and work with that organization through their losses and problems, rather he prefers to “team hop”. Mark of a great player is one, despite problems, tries to work with the players and organization, taking leadership and trying to help guys get better, not that KD doesnt make his team better. He is a extreme talent, however besides GSW, which was pretty stacked, he’s only carried a team to the finals once. Not to mention he’s been hopping 3-4 four teams in past couple years. Lebron is a good example; for his first stint in Cleveland, he played for 8 years, he did go to Miami, and did win their with a stacked team, HOWEVER, prior to Miami took his Cavs to the finals numerous times, and he has won a chip after Miami as well; w the Lakers and Cleveland again. With how bad Lakers are doing he could have opted for a trade or even within the time of his first stint in Cleveland but he stayed; that’s the mark of a great player.

Ya that's kinda old.😂

But it’s good for social media.

Facts💯

Best comment!!!

I can't agree with that narrative/stories elevate the game in most cases I think you mean fake narratives ruin sports

@@WarBucs Appreciate The Correction You’re Absolutely Right.

This definitely isn't one of those times.He spoke straight facts about K.D

Him going there killed his legacy what do you mean?

u on a drug boi joining them already killed his legacy no respect at all he doesn't deserved that 2 titles it was given not earned.

@@-RJhay lmao the logic of a subhuman brainless 12 year old.

​@@-RJhaysays the key board warrior easy for you gotta play n do it at the end of the day. 🤡

It literally hurt his legacy when he joined them

Giannis looked up to KD , KD body at work in basketball is on another level . He might finish top 5 in all time scoring if he continue playing without any long time injury . Its not all about rings or mvps my guy . Kobe got only one MVP does that mean giannis and joker already greater than him ??

@@adeadele-nz6xt accumulative scoring means nothing, his flaw is he isnt a leader and for the top 20 Player being a leader is important as accolades.

Who cares about you stupid theory it isn't fact. Fact is he has more rings than both of them. now sit down with your blah blah mumbo jumbo u have no point 😂

KD isn’t top 10.

Not joining a stacked team. It's by joining curry. Curry is one of 3 players all time to win multiple rings without another top 75 player on his team.

I certainly don't!. I lost all respect for him as a basketball player when he joined the warriors. And that's all I remember him for

KD's rings are made of wood. The rest of Warriors have platinum, diamonds and gold.

Cry more 😂

@@keithdior1657 didn’t cry was just disappointed in the coward move

Different era and Jordan was a volume shooter

@@user-cs1pi8zg1n yes an era of the big man in the middle. The era when it was frowned upon to think a 6’6 guard could lead anyone to the promise land. The era when he came to a drug infested moribund franchise with no hope. The era when getting to the hoop meant fighting through hand checking, All to confront a power forward and and center waiting in the middle. Also the era where he once scored 37 a game and shot very little 3 pt shots. Not the era of the red carpet ride to the paint with Rudy Gobert , a soft azz lightskinned French guy who got choked by Draymond. Also Jordan averaged around 48-50% shooting from the field as a 6’6 210 lb guard. Thank you for your contribution to this conversation.

Bro hasn’t played in over two decades but you grown men are obsessed with him and constantly bring him up. That’s mad weird and sus.

@@Gk54493 "Bro" Muhammed Ali hasn't fought in over 40-50 years but people recognize him as the greatest as well. Is that "weird" and "sus" as well, "brah"? Wayne Gresky hasn't played a hockey game in over 30 years and he's widely recognized as the greatest..is that "weird" and "sus" as well, "bro"? Just curious "bro" (gotta love the Gen Z'rs) 🤣

​@@isaiahwatkins1502 michael jackson not jordan lmao

Ty Lue and KD haven't won anything either. lol

@@symbarhToo bad reality vehemently disagrees with you, WestBRICK STAN lol

@@Nostalgia9478 ooh cupcake fan

@@symbarh ooh cupcake fan!! Try and make it make sense, BRICKBrook fangirl lol

Getting away from Westbrick was never a mistake. Even Lebron hated playing with him.

If if if.....

I think people would have eventually forgiven him for joining the Warriors if he stayed and stacked rings and Finals MVPs. If he had say 4 rings and 4 Finals MVPs, everyone would have to acknowledge that he was the driving force in those Finals and they would give him a lot of the credit instead of Steph.

@@PeterJustGames I'm pretty sure Durant loses sleep over a bunch of emotional idiots 💩🥺👈

I think it's mostly because KD ultimately made the decision. KD had other suitors. Boston, San Antonio, New York, Washington, etc. Hell, worse case scenario you even run it back in OKC but KD chose the 1 team that would damage his legacy the most. No one would've been highly upset with him leaving OKC besides OKC fans but the fact that he left for the team that he and his team BLEW A 3-1 LEAD TO is undoubtedly weak. I don't blame Steph or the rest of the Warriors for the recruiting pitch to KD in general because other teams would have too but I do acknowledge the potential unfair advantage they had in recruiting KD by seeing him in the Hamptons immediately after the Championship Loss.

@@DenniDownBad Exactly. This is why a comparison to LeBron joining Miami isn't the same. LeBron didn't join the Celtics after he lost to them in 2010. He instead joined a franchise that could get him the tools to beat the Celtics and get over the hump and back to the Finals, which the Heat did in both 2011 and 2012. Plus, the Heat weren't a superteam until LeBron went there to team up with Wade and Bosh.

@@drlee2 no one is talking about lebron, you guys make me sick lol

He could have been in the goat convo if he stayed. The criticism wouldn’t matter after the 4th ring and finals mvp..

@@jasonpompey6731 people who don’t like thinking critically would believe that lol

Moving to GSW definitely wasn’t a chess move.

@@mrrickstur your opinion doesn’t matter regarding a championship. A ring is a ring

@@jasonpompey6731 lol sure, you can go ahead and believe that if it makes you feel better. I’m guessing you believe that Bill Russell is better than MJ as well because “11 is more than 6” but to each their own lol

Some of those people now say he shouldn't have left. 🤦🏾‍♂

@@seunstealth right !?

If Steph only had those two titles with KD then you would have a point but clearly Steph is good enough to win without KD's help. KD is struggling to accomplish what he only could while on Steph's team.

@@abdulrahamanawudu2096 Everyone says that, but the fact is that doesn't matter. Steph has the backing of being drafted to the one of the greatest teams of all time that was able to surround him with a perfect core his age, who all started peaking at the same time. Thats just draft luck and reflects nothing on the player individually, other than their ability to maximize off of it. Not to say KD was unlucky clearly because OKC was also good, just never good enough and they made some key mistakes along with some injuries that cost them their window. Warriors are equally complicit as KD, they recruited him and got to solidify their legacy (even before 2022) with those same weak rings. You can't call yourself a dynasty with just 2015 and 2022.

@@euro51116 This is hindsight. KD was drafted to a team that drafted two other top 5 picks back to back after him. The warriors weren't good when Steph got there. Klay was the 11th pick and Draymond was a low 2nd round pick. It's like saying Jokic and Giannis were drafted to great teams just because they won. You can't use the results to now take credit away when nobody even thought they were contenders before they broke out and won. The warriors aren't complicit in anything because like I said earlier, every team wanted KD. KD also gave out a list of teams he wanted to talk to. He was the decision maker not the warriors. Them being a dynasty or not isn't relevant because we're just talking about winning.

@@abdulrahamanawudu2096 Im not taking credit away, just adding context. And of course its hindsight, the whole topic is retrospective isn't it? Nothing you've said removes GSW from the same criticism as KD for getting easy rings. We can only criticize what happened, you can't excuse weak moves because "any other team wouldve done the same". Regardless, KD was the best player and difference maker, as well as the biggest reason they won those years as handily as they did. Even if he wasnt considered the leader, it was a team that had natural chemistry, shared leadership, and prided itself on team ball and strength in numbers anyway, unlike the Lebron Cavs or Kobe Lakers. If GSW in 2016 really was the best team of all time they could have decided they didnt need him, but they actively recruited him after the embarassment of the finals. All im saying is that its hypocritical of media and fans to only give KD all the criticism meanwhile letting GSW essentially get ALL the benefit and prestige of being 4 time champs when half of them were the same rings they question KD for. Are we supposed to believe that GSW still win in 17' and 18' no matter what ? Either criticize both the team and player for breaking the league, or give them both the respect they deserve for what they did in those years.

@@euro51116 If KD was the reason he should be able to replicate it somewhere else, no? We both don't know what would've happened those 3 years and frankly it makes no sense to decline KD just to prove that they were the best team. You can't give both sides the same criticism or praise because one side did not need the other to win. Feel free to disparage the two chips with KD but they still have two without him so what does it change? They would still be champs. All KD needs to do to stop people questioning those two rings is to win elsewhere to prove he also didn't need the warriors to win.

"where ARE the Dallas talk?" good lord

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You NEED to hear their opinions on the game? Did you not watch it or something? Lol

@@JP-jd8wr your syntax off bro.

True but KD's move was worst because he joined the team that beat him and Golden State was a stacked team already, Lebron going to Miami was the 2nd weakest move to me after Durant's, the Heat still had competition in the finals, no team stood a chance against Golden State with KD in the finals unless an injury happened in which it did

@@Milehigh_ I beg to differ. I think D-Wade, Ray Allen Bosh and their bench was stacked. In fact I would trade the Miami Heat team for that Warriors team in a heartbeat. Both were super teams.

@@nanobluelectrobuzz9227 Golden State was more unstoppable than Miami, The Heat lost to San Antonio & Dallas, the Warriors only lost to Toronto due to KD & Klay's injuries

@@Milehigh_ That’s why Jordan is the GOAT. He basically had Pippen as only other high profile player who a lot of points. The rest of his team were just okay at scoring and played decent defense.

@@Milehigh_ Any player who joins a super team should be looked at in the same way. I like KD so I can see your point of view. The Heats and Warrior losses doesn’t really matter. It’s about not having a super team. With 2 player and decent team like the Nuggets for example. The Nuggets aren’t a superteam yet they win like a superteam. That’s how I feel at least.

lmfao stop it

They know it will get attention because LeBron fans,curry fans and KD haters will enjoy this

This topic is so old now

No one else on the team has come close to winning

Lebron led the whole series in every stat bro what r u talking about. Big whoop kyrie made a 3 pointer. If kyrie missed and they ran another play to score it’s all the same. They win because LeBron conquered GsW

No they wouldn't have won, if that's the case the warriors wouldn't have blown the 3-1 lead without him if they didn't need him