Probably pretty good considering these little off-the-shelf commercial drones are easy to jam when your military isn't incompetent beyond belief. I severely doubt these tanks will have the problems that russian ones are currently having in a future conflict because NATO crews will actually be trained how to use them, and won't have their internal parts stripped and sold on the black market unlike the russian ones.
@@cameronspence4977holy yap yall niggas say just about anything to 1up the RUS yu dont even know if any if this is true you’ve probably never even touched an armored vehicle
It doesn't matter how fancy they make a couple vehicles look they don't have the capacity to produce them in numbers there are sufficient for the wars they're starting.
Turtle tanks are not being used anymore because they're useless. Cope cages are ad-hoc armour add-ons, which can trap the crew (although, sometimes they can be useful). Modern Western tanks will use a new active defence system to defend against drones.
@@ДенисФедоров-ь3у APS cant detect drones due to their speeds being too slow as all of them have a minimum detection speed, the best there would be towards a hard counter would be radar but even then thats too expensive
@@is-3shchuka765 how do you think they detect targets? Lidar? Cameras? They already have aesa radars, and detecting drones is just a matter of settings.
What did you smoke ? Leo 2 Abrams Lecler These are the most used mbts in the west like where should they get examples??? Russia has a completely different take on tank tactics even the west hast different needs in every country based on geography and things like that -_-
Obviously everyone is talking about the drone threat which is correct as drones are the most potent enemy of the tank currently, more than top attack atgms or other tanks. But tanks cannot be replaced in their role of direct fire support and these ones with air burst 30mm and aps systems will fare much better against drones.
High caliber guns are not good counter for something small, that can easily overwhelm you by sheer numbers, good example is Gepard AA - can empty whole ammo supply in seconds, takes hours to reload.
I think it should be considered that protection for tanks from drone threats is not solely on the tank itself. Air forces and anti air systems including development of antidrone drones will provide layers of defense for all mechanized ground vehicles. People assuming these drones will dominate requires the armies using tanks to be as inept as the Russians or as outnumbered as the Ukrainians.
Everybody was saying that Russian tanks with unmanned turrets with autoloaders suck, but here we are with the two latest European tanks with unmanned turrets and autoloaders.
People act like cheap, mass produced and effective anti-tank weapons HAVEN’T been invented yet, does the Panzerfaust ring any bells? Countries didn’t abandon tanks to cheap AT weapons then, and they sure as hell aren’t going to do it now.
Funny how Russia did most of the tank innovations first and got ridiculed and then suddenly the west starts doing it and then it's awesome and revolutionary... Cope.
That's honestly factually just wrong. Russia, especially the Soviet union, was even known to just copy things lol Take the ppd or the ppsh for instance which is basically just a copy of the German mp30 I think it was called. Even the firearms are copied so please do your research first :)
@@yevrra5012 Wrong. It was copied from the Finnish smg Suomi. And saying the USSR wasn't a pioneer in tank design is plain wrong. They were the first to mass produce smoothbore cannons, autoloaders, and basically created the ifv
Nice revisionism and lying about whatever people said. Typical russian propagandist, people never criticized russia for adding actual functioning, sensible capabilities to their tanks. They criticized them for failing to actually fix their problems or for failing to do so and for being corrupt and incompetent
Question would be first how many can they afford to build? 20 max like the Armata before shutting down production line ? Production speed only matter if you gonna actually mass produce it
If western nations mobilized, they could produce them in the tens of thousands - but western nations don’t see the need. Realistically they‘ll be bought in the hundreds and produced at a rate of a several per month, depending on the number of customers, if adopted.
Знаете, у нас в Новосибирске есть шутка, что все натовские танки сделаны из фольги, но, глядя на эти танки, начинают возникать смутные сомнения, шутка ли это. В конце концов, сверхсовременный британский танк Челленджер, поставленный Украине, даже до фронта не доехал, а главное в том, что его даже не при помощи дрона или крупнокалиберной артиллерии убрали, а при помощи обычного миномёта. Лучше уж воевать на старом железе, чем на новой фольге
@@britishskeleton777 забавно, а ведь украинские власти заявляли о том, что им поставили сверхновые танки, которыми они наконец смогут погнать ,,москалей" за Урал. Интересно, кто же виноват в том, что украинские танкисты превратились в свиной шашлык? Украинские власти, обманувший собственный народ? Или власти НАТО, обманувшие украинцев? А может никто никого не обманывал? Может всё дело в том, что сверхсовременная западная техника до сих пор не догнала уровень советской техники времён Брежнева? Я думаю, что последний вариант является правильным. А вы как считаете, господин британец?
Если слушать пропагандистов, то они и не такое расскажут. На данный момент нет бронетехники, которую нельзя сжечь. Бойцы говорят, что леопард хороший танк, а вот абрамс, как говорят, разочаровал.
60s autoloader....yea imagine taking that long to implement a superior system in your tank. But hey you never fought wars where you will have losses. Thats why you didn't understand the concept of lowering the amount of crew inside the tank.
And after the war in Ukraine Russia is thinking of canceling the T14 armata since the new battle field conditions have changed. These prototypes are way behind on current real world conditions.
Unlike the Armata, these tech demos have built in loitering munitions and have integrated some ant drone measures. But until real world testing is conducted it's anyone's guess as to how well these tanks will perform.
you realise that modern armor does not need to be angled, as modern ammunition (APFSDS - Fin stabilised darts) dont give a fuck about how much your armor is angled? The only relevant angle vs APFSDS rounds is 80+°. you wont get shit into a tank with frontal 80° angled armor
@@zhufortheimpaler4041 unfortunately you contradicted yourself. Slanted armour matters a lot for APFSDS and every bit of angle helps. That is why you see the upper glacis of most modern tanks steeply angled. The Abrams for instance is about 83 degrees. It's also why you see angled surfaces on turrets and why stacks of NERA plates are always set on an angle.
@@RockSolitude the angling is next to irrelevant, unless it is at extreme angles like the M1s upper glacis. Modern armor does not work like rolled homogenous steel.
But it doesn't has to be anymore and automatic turret means that crew has to sit in a compartment just like in t 14 so IT has better protection than tanks already in service
@@danh7411 bruh who is talking about Armor I am talking about no crew present in turret but a compartment in the hull just like t 14 u don't pls read properly before commenting or if you don't understand pls keep quiet
Auto loaders were invented by the swedish. These auto loaders would be better than the russians since those auto loaders on NATO tanks have an actual blow out pannel or something which protects the crew from an explosion from the ammunition compartment
@@leight420 In service? Show me a combat footage in ukraine where russia used a tank with an unmanned turret buddy. Oh wait are you talking about the t14 armata which broke down in a parada? That’s definitely in service 😂😂
@@therandomguy1088 funny how you think that a tank that has existed for a long time now like the t14 isnt in service but you talk about that abrams that only exists on paper like it is, perhaps you suffer from russia derangement syndrome? i hope you get well soon❤️
i agree but soviet tank designs were older than top attack munitions like javelins, so it's safe to say they were a great tank of it's time, not now in the modern battle field , but the russians have upgraded their tanks and are surviving various drone and atgm hits, still better than abrams since they just got killed so easily, not more than 2 hits,
@abrokanfxr3388 Remember those Abrams tanks were just stock export models, im not a NATO fanboy, but I don't think it's fair to compare a fully capable tank with all its advanced technology to an outdated export model.
That was not even the half so far. The ascalon turret is a massive 140mm freedom keeper. A lot of new Lynx got shown as well as something we will probably call Gepard 2.
@@janzizka4964 not really, Russia wanted 2,300 T-14s in 2015-2020 but have failed to do so, these were just showing what they could do and did better then the T-14 already
So no new major development . Just hybrids . A step down instead of a step up this year particularly kf51 with just a turret offering and no big advancement and development like electro thermal chemical gun or new platform.
@@JewsRock-ILJ works the same, since the 30mm can have proxi fuze ammo, but the 30 is more multipurpose since it can also engage ground troups or light vehicles
It's there any need for 130/140mm main guns? So the 120mm smooth bore have any issue getting thru armor and buildings? The US just got new 120mm shells that are multi-purpose, would be good to be able to shoot those
I'm pretty sure you can change the barrel out to make it shoot 120mm to 130mm and such, it's probably just a preference thing and how you're using them
@@ethanfranklin5847 it the turret is 80% breach, barrel, and mantlet with no crew. You take out the tanks ability to fire and operate its a mission kill. Tank is disabled. Out the fight. Donezo
How is europe going to produce them and with what energy? Germany is deindustrializing as we speak bc they banned cheap russian energy. These tanks will cost insane amounts of money and be produced in tiny quantities if even at all
nice concept.. but will take years and years to mass produce.. same ass M1 in Ukraine.. when hit, impossible to maintain on site.. they need to be take back...and then spare part are often difficult to replace as it need accuracy.. weakness of "high tech Tank"
remember that these are mostly technology demonstrators and don't include everything the final production tanks of the future will have apart from the leclerc evolution which is still more or a prototype
you know what's sad, Russia and USSR were making insane prototypes of military equipment, but the issue they always had was money they have 100 billion dolar budget while US has 800 Billion, imagine if Russia had that same budget as US, even US F-35 was made from Russias prototype Yak-144, USSR made an advanced jet with vertical flight many tried but only USSR succeded, but after desolation of USSR it was sold to US, because Russian military at Yelcins period was in poor condition and to stay on float they did that.
Yak-141 series had a grand total of 2 build prototypes, one being borderline destroyed during a landing crash Also the Harrier exist French did the same but canned their VTOL mirage after the prototype killed the pilot during test flight, cause the standard mirage already did most of what it could do anyway and VTOl capacity costed way too much to be worth
@@Alpha1598753 the internal mechanism is entirely based on russian design, US only did minor changes but still USSR was first who managed to make it work also there is a video in RU-vid where similar happened to F-35, if USSR had a huge budget thay would have been able to mass produce them.
