I can imagine this as a movie scene: the camera zooms in on your mom’s hand scrolling down on the mouse, then on your trembling eyes as sweat rolls down your face, then on the screen scrolling through hundreds of links
A dark realization I made recently was that originally, Syndrome was gonna bring in Frozone to fight omnidroid v8. But when Mirage was scouting him before sending him the message, Bob was in the car with Frozone. Instead Mirage found out that the “fat one” was Mr Incredible. So she called back to base and said that she found Mr Incredible. Had Bob not been there with Frozone that night in the car before the fire, Frozone would’ve ended up dying. And that’s why omnidroid v8 could withstand tremendous temperatures in his fight with Mr Incredible, bc the whole droid was originally intended for Frozone and not Mr Incredible.
The visor from the omidroid was also a cyan color, which was the color of frozones suit. Which makes it more obvious that the V8 was meant for him. He's pretty lucky that Bob was there, of course people say that the 2nd omidroid with syndrome that attacked Mr incredible was programed for him. But I think it was the last one where they all defeat it.
this is a movie with suicide, guns, lawsuits, murders, explosions, supposed cheating, anxiety... And still ends up being super wholesome and family-friendly
Noah Girtman mr Incredible gets sued after he catches a guy who threw himself of a building, Mr I breaks his color bone or something so the guy uses him for it. But yeah this film is dark.
I never realised how much that one line meant to the plot. This film goes so deep that I'm still learning new details I never noticed 17 years after it came out.
That’s when the tracking device goes off and is caught. He was shot with those incapacitating tar bubble gun-like things and he was struggling the get out (which he failed to do)
Roxyx2 yes he is The Question, which given that he likes to uncover classified government files and conspiracies this theme would fit him if he stumbled upon an information archive of highly illegal activities
@@gigagrenade7249 exactly, when i was like 5-7 (i don't remember my exact age when i first watched the movie) i thought terminated was a fancy word for defeated, so syndrome just like locked up the superheroes at a prison, now it's dark, realizing that syndrome had killed all of them by luring them in
the guys with champaign were playing drinking game with the chaos the robot was making fucked up. this is a eearie soundtrack bob is not just seeing supers die they were his friends, gazerbeam was in his weding and stuff.
This scene scared the fucking shit out of me as a kid, definitely one of Pixar‘s disguisedly darkest scenes. The implications would definitely go over a child’s head but the music, the lighting and blocking of Mr. Incredible’s silhouette against the giant canvas of the dead was super effective.
The slow development of the theme here is just. so. haunting. The trumpet (key instrument in Incredibles theme) repeating the line @1:59 is amazingly superimposed over Mr Incredible's horrifying realisation of just how much danger he's in, is then grounded by the strings that reinforce the theme. And is ultimately built up by the french horns, and almost screaming at Bob Parr at this point 2:24 Giacchino knew what he wanted, and he bloody well got it!!!
Your analysis is spot on...the repeating line and the way the reinforcements layered in was subtle yet one if the most beautifully arranged emotional scores ever!
Yeah, it just keeps building until you think it's going to reach its climax but it just keeps getting more and more and MORE ominous... and then there's that moment of silence as Mr. Incredible is discovered, and then all hell breaks loose as those horrifying guns start shooting at him and the music goes into full panic mode! Aaaaughaugh! So perfect! You know, sometimes you have to listen to the music out of the context of the movie a few times to fully appreciate it. I totally think this piece of the soundtrack would work just as well in a good horror movie as this family movie.
It took me years to understand the themes of time in this film and how well they were interwoven. In Bob's youth, he said 'I've still got time'. As the film progresses, Bob's age leaves him yearning for his glory days while he does a menial job. Shortly after, temptation comes in the form of Syndrome's job offer, and then Bob begins acting furtively, which alerts Helen to trouble. Edna points out that middle-aged men become unstable when they realise they're about to lose their vigour, forever losing their best years. Another small element is the name Kronos, the titan of time. Helen tells Bob that he is missing out on life by ignoring his family because he's still living in the past. When Bob's mission fails, he's captured where Mirage tells him there isn't much time, and he says 'No. There isn't. In fact, there's no time at all'. This is a complete reversal of his former self. When Bob's family is captured, he realises his mistake, saying that his family was his biggest adventure and that he almost missed it. It means something different to me now that I'm older. As a child, I just saw the excitement of the story. But now I sympathise more and more with Bob's plight. Especially as we live amidst so much distraction, staying present and enjoying what I have is essential. However, there is plenty to strive for every day without becoming complacent or stagnant.
The psychological horror inherent to this scene and the music is...immaculate. Seriously. Think about it. Mr. Incredible has no idea what 'Kronos' is. All he knows is, an old face from the glory days has come back and pointed a gun right at his skull. He knows why to some precious little extent, but finding Gazerbeam's bare skeleton in a cave is a pretty good signal that there's more to this whole thing than petty revenge. So without giving away that he survived, he has to sneak right into the adder's nest. And the first thing that he finds? A meticulous roster of all his closest friends and associates going back decades...and descriptions of all the ways that each of them was murdered. This can't be overstated. Mr. Incredible literally walked into a serial killer's house, found the killer's scrapbook, and discovered that he personally knew every one of the victims. But somehow, it manages to not even stop there. There's a picture of his WIFE. And right next to it, there's a picture of his best friend along with his best friend's home address. The implication is clear: *They're next.* And the cherry on top of all of it? On the very last page, or inside the back cover, whichever way you wanna go with this scrapbook analogy: Is a full-page picture of himself. The music's been building this whole time as Mr. Incredible frantically flips through the pages, but as soon as he turns the last page and sees that photo of himself staring back at him, it dips real low and quiet. There's just a little violin string breaking the horrified silence. That holds for a few seconds. Finally, he puts the book down and turns to head for the front door... And the killer is standing right there in the doorway. Cue intruder alert alarm.
It’s dark how Mr. Incredible learns that a lot heroes of his age were killed off by Syndrome for operation Kronos and it’s dark how Pixar managed to put that much of it here.
The minions movie clearly shows that Napoleon Bonaparte was their last boss before Gru, so the Minions were still in the cave during 1939 until 1968 when they met Gru. But still there had been other atrocities in history before WW2 in which the minions could had been present in... :I What if they crucified Jesus?
@@BlackDiesel8 it gives off the vibes of a undetected threat closing in waiting to strike while you are unaware of its location but know your fate will be sealed in the next few seconds unless you fucking RUN
As one fellow put it, Syndrome calls himself "Syndrome" to represent the chronic condition or group of symptoms made of super heroes, meaning he sees the very idea of being super as a disease, a disease to be cured by killing the supers themselves and then making everyone else super so that "no one will be," a sort of anti-Super vax. Only now did I realize the connection: Kronos is where we get the word "chronic," as in "chronic condition," as in "Syndrome."
It really is a fantastically scored film I recommend checking out the everything great about incredibles and you’ll see some good reasoning as to why this score is so great and I mean it’s Michael Giacchino he’s pretty awesome scoring any film in my opinion
This is a scene, where everything starts falling into place. The mass _genocide_ of supers by a mad fanboy, the absolute terror Bob felt for his wife and friend, the concern Helen was feeling about being cheated on, this movie features so many dark and uncomfortable topics, that kids wouldn't notice, but still enjoy the rest of the movie. It's so cool seeing a family film be so adult, but remain kid-friendly. THIS IS HOW YOU DO IT!
@@GumballAstronaut7206 Not really. Not every animated movie needs to have mega-adult mega-mature topics. If every animated film was like that, they'd all be boring. I think it's good to have a very childish, cute movie every now and then. Or something more heartfelt, or something more tragic, or something more musical. I get what you're trying to say, but I can't really agree. :-/
I just had the most awful dream about death, involving my family. And the final image of the dream was myself being able to see above the surface of the ground, while me and my family were buried in the earth... dead. What was most terrifying about it, is that this last part of the dream, the scariest one, had a terrifying song playing along. I never woke up more terrified in my life, and this melody was still in my head. I kept trying to remember from where it was, and now I’m here. It’s been years since I’ve watched this film, I can’t believe the soundtrack of that ‘supers genocide’ scene had made such an impact on me, to the point of being kept in my subconscious for so many years, and suddenly appearing in a nightmare. This is how much power a simple soundtrack can have over the viewers. I’m shocked.
This one scene simply put one of the darkest and mind blowing moments in Pixar history. Here's why: a) A psychotic villain committing superhero genocide by exploiting their desires of reliving back their glory days. He lured them into his island and testing them on his Omnidroid prototypes, even to their bones. Some of them managed to defeat the prototype on their first try, but Syndrome upgraded it to a better enhanced version and to make sure that version kills them off. b) This is all part of Syndrome's plan to avenge Mr Incredible's rejection to him by killing off his comrades and to make sure the latest version of his prototype will match or even better than Mr Incredible. On a psychological aspect, it makes Syndrome even stronger to the point that Mr Incredible himself realize that he is getting more and more vulnerable. c) The part when Mr Incredible verifies the location of Elastigirl and Frozone; when the latter's location is known, it was actually Frozone who was the intended target before Mirage changed to Mr Incredible. For Elastigirl herself, she is able to adapt to civilian life, unlike the other supers. d) Of all the fallen Supers, Gazerbeam is the MVP. He is the only one to defeat the prototype twice, he is able to carve out the password Kronos on his dying breath, and he is an activist for superhero rights in his civilian life. e) Syndrome's main intention on being the most respected Super in the world. As quoted, "When I'm old enough, I sold my inventions so that everyone can be superheroes. And when everyone is super, no one will be." This implied that he planned to initiate another project similar to Operation Kronos, continuing his killing spree.
As a kid I never really understood the seriousness of this scene, I didn’t know the word terminated and I never realised that these supers were all killed by these robots that Syndrome kept upgrading, looking back at it now it’s a really dark scene, and the music suits it perfectly as well, very well composed
Here's a theory you can read while listening to this music: I think Edna Mode is responsible for most of the action in the Incredibles. Think about it: she's a fashion designer for world-saving heroes, notably the BEST. Of course Syndrome would want a design of a costume from the best. He meets up with Edna tells her about his pain and plan for domination, and she gives him the suit. She knows where Mr. Incredible is and what he's been doing; it's been hinted many times. Then, the Incredibles' family needed new suits, which Edna is happy to provide, and after the supers make their return, their legacy, along with her's, is restored. And to make sure the heroes win and Syndrome fails, she designs his suit...with a cape.
It’s taken me almost 8 years to realize that when Frozone said “I don’t see anyone from the old days Bob, just you.” is foreshadowing that Syndrome had killed all the supers, I knew Syndrome killed all of them, but I never knew that it was foreshadowing, And it’s also taken me almost 14 years to realize how dark this movie is (I’m almost 14 btw.) And how deep it is, it has attempted suicide, supposed cheating, murder, lawsuit, etc. Along with that, Syndrome had created a massive genocide, I’ve never known this entire movie franchise when I was younger, And, I never even knew the meaning of the word “Terminated.” I thought it just meant “Unavailable.” or “Locked up.” but it really meant Syndrome had killed all the supers just to built a machine only he can defeat.
This is one of those movies where you pick up on something new every time you watch it. Another thing I didn't really understand as a kid is when Violet says to Dash when they're in the cave, "Mom and Dad's lives could be in jeopardy, or worse - their marriage". As I've gotten older, I realize what she meant by that is Bob and Helen's relationship and marriage could be going south due to Bob not being honest with Helen about everything, and that's why he was in trouble. When you're younger, these kind of subject matters kind of fly over your head, but once you truly understand what is going on, it's very deep.
Its taken taken me 15 years to realise that the project is called Kronos, and in Greek mythology Kronos is fated to be overthrown by one of his children, so he eats all of them, except zeus, who escapes and does indeed overthrow Kronos Also this is the exact music that should have been playing as I read the mythology and came to the realization
Jokes aside, Syndrome is probably one of, if not the most effective and smartest villains in Pixar. Not only did he manage to kill nearly every hero that exists but he also adapted and upgraded his tech while doing it.
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The music rise in this piece where Mr. Incredible sees how many Supers Syndrome had eliminated through the previous Omnidroids and how great the scale of Operation: Kronos really is sent shivers down my spine. It even made the hairs on my arms stand.
Imagine learning that almost all of your friends are dead. That's what must've Mr. Incredible felt like while watching these Supes with "Terminated" on their pictures.
The scariest thing about this scene is that it's telling you how many heroes Syndrome has hunted down and killed in such a cold and calculated way, almost from his own perspective. The only emotion is on Bob's face, as he's realizing how much carnage has occured, how all of his friends have gone and how he's almost powerless to stop it. And these weren't characters that you got to know, you don't see footage of them dying; they're all reduced to a photo and a label, and it goes through the list of dead supers at such a rapid speed, even without the music, if it was just silent; this would still be fucking terrifying. It just shows how little Syndrome values human life and how the omnidroids were programmed to be so efficient at taking it away, he streamlined the process of killing Supers. Even his hired mercenaries, who were normal flesh and blood people, have no qualms about shooting children. Whereas Violet and Dash clearly don't want to kill anyone, I mean when Dash punches the visor off of one of them; he's kind of shocked by the presence of a whole living human face with eyes that express emotions, in addition to the imminent cliff face they crashed into. There's just such a lack of empathy to Syndrome's entire operation, aside from Mirage, but even then; she still helped to facilitate the deaths of several supers before, so it seems like it was more of a realization she came to than an innate moral compass. Syndrome is honestly such a perfect balance of a comedic villain and a terrifying one. I mean he's just an edgy fanboy who got rejected by his idol but that small prompt was enough of an excuse for him to start this genocidal rampage and become a bigger threat to the supers than anything they had ever faced before. Even though his apparent plan of bettering the world through technology so that there's no need for supers to save the day seems really altruistic; it's come about in a really vengeful and destructive way, and I honestly don't believe Syndrome would willingly share his resources for the greater good, I think he would just subjugate everyone to his rule, he would continue to be the pompous, selfish, solipsistic, destructive tyrant that he believed all the supers to be.
I could've sworn Dash only got the shocked look on his face because he saw that they were about to crash into the cliff before he got punched off by the guy. But other than that I wholeheartedly agree with everything here.
For the people that don’t understand why was Kronos written in front of gazerbeam’s corpse, gazerbeam was a superhero but also out of the suit he was a very intelligent man and most importantly a lawyer that defended the rights of superheroes, either he fell in the same trap mr.incredible fell on “gaining back his glory” or maybe he just fought syndrome either way syndrome wanted him out of the way because he was an important defensor of superheroes’ rights, he managed to get syndrome’s password then he ended up fighting a past model of the robot seen on the movies he was deeply wounded, he managed to hide himself in the cave and with his gazer beam he wrote Kronos on the cave’s stalactites and eventually he died and was reported missing in the news where Mr.Incredible saw him, they used to be good friends all of this info is according to the creators and writers
All of that is heavily implied in the movie. As a kid it definitely flies over your head, but as an adult you start to notice how well the story connects 👌🏽 they don’t make them like these anymore. Can’t remember the last time any animated studio did such a complex tied story with this level of quality
@@ericanair9144 i know, now it’s all the classic “heroe meets good people, heroe meets bad people, conflict, everyone end up with happy ending, credits with a stupid cover from an awesome song
'I'm not a comic-book villain. Do you think I'd explain my masterstroke to you...... if there were even the slightest possibility you could affect the outcome? I triggered it 35 minutes ago.'
I feel that could have been an alternate version of the “you sly dog you got me monologuing!” bit if the scene was written different. But I feel it’s from something else. Which if it is could you link it to me?
"I'm not a public serial villain." "I did it thirty-five minutes ago." The Incredibles and Watchmen have very similar themes. Alternate 20th Century where (super)heroes are normal and have eventually been run out of their game. Although, The Incredibles centers more on the idea of mediocrity while Watchmen is focused on Armageddon as well as a whole bunch of other things.
The moment i realized that this movie is kinda dark is when sydrome sends the missles at the plane and elastigirl says "there are kids aboard!" Mirages reaction is just dumbfounded
0:01 you find dancing cat video 1:20 You learn more about the dancing cat 2:00 You start realizing but you arn't too sure 2:25 You find the original 2:40 You realize the cat isn't Dancing...
One thing that kind of annoyed me about Incredibles 2 was that there was literally no mention of the mass genocide on supers. There was a deleted scene of an obituary for Gazerbeam that I feel should have really been kept in.
TheDude Yeah, that felt skipped over. I mean, one moment there's this R-rated scene, then the Incredibles save the day and everyone's happy. I mean, we actually see the emotion on Bob's face in this scene when he realizes how many of his friends were killed in Syndrome's plan.
@@affanlego121099 sorry to break it to you but I don’t think the 3rd movie is coming anytime soon. I believe Disney said their not gonna make anymore sequels to old movies
I'll say this specifically out of 100 of the best American made animated movies this one is in that list. Notice how I say American animated movies. I've seen other shit that visually is tiers ahead in terms of 3d animation. But.... this movie is really good and especially at the time when there wasn't a lot of 3d animated stuff. Like it was fully coming into form through the late 90,s to early 2000s.
Thank John Barry! (This part is directly taken from his score for the movie _You Only Live Twice_ , it's specific name is "Capsule in Space". "Fight at Kobe docks" and *especially* the main theme "You Only Live Twice" are also amazing) He was a true master of the craft.
This scene gets me thinking about Mirage. Think about it: she was one of two people with access to this room, she knew the password, and she's the one who tracks down and contacts the supers, so she knew about what Syndrome's plan was and was actively complicit in it. She also remains loyal (enough) to Syndrome after he supposedly kills Bob's family, at least enough to save his life, and she only turns on him when he calls Bob's bluff about killing her. She goes on a rant about how disregarding life is not strength and preserving it is not a weakness, but she only said that because he personally betrayed her. Very hypocritical if you ask me.
Learn to Fly - Termination - Known Duck Life - Termination - Known Run - Termination - Known *CoolMathGames has been blocked. Reason: categorized as "games".*
when it's really late and you have to take a dump so you don't turn the light on to avoid waking your parents, but you didn't see the toilet lid was up and you sit on the toilet's nasty rim that you haven't cleaned in weeks 2:14
Syndrome wanted to kill all the supers. Edna said she designed for gods. Kronos ate the Olympians in the Greek myths. Syndrome also has Zero point energy.
"He had trouble adapting to Civilian life, this problem is common to superheroes... He got used to being useful, he needed to be useful, a bad man exploited that desire, that weakness, to attract Gazerbeam and other superheroes individually, in secret and one by one to kill them off, I was drawn into it too, almost became another victim if it weren't for a clue gazerbeam left behing heroically in his dying moments" -Mr Incredible
This song always stuck fear into me even as a kid the steadily rising beat is just so much lol I love this score. Rewatched it again with lil cuz and damn this movie is so good.
