1 - CONSCIOUS IMMORTALITY - CONVERSATIONS with SRI RAMANA MAHARSHI Recorded By PAUL BRUNTON 1935-39 

Thanks for sharing with clarity your experience.

Glad to hear that! It's extremely common for people who take powerful psychedelic drugs to later place them on a pedestal, as if the visions and mind changes is the true reflection of reality. But at the end of the day those are still sensations and thoughts. There's something else, the commonality between those drug-fueled experiences and the regular, that imo is worth more exploring. Not to say there aren't benefits to psychedelic drugs, they can help with long-term mental stability if properly guided, but for spiritual growth you need to be the right sort of person for it + have the fortune of having an experienced realized teacher (something that's practically non-existent when it comes to drugs), a rare combination to begin with.

@@yerpderp6800 You don't need a teacher, especially when you have psychedelics.

The pro-psychedelic plant position is clearly an anti-drug position. Drug dependencies are the result of habitual, unexamined, and obsessive behaviour; these are precisely the tendencies in our psychological makeup that the psychedelics mitigate. The plant hallucinogens dissolve habits and hold motivations up to inspection by a wider, less egocentric, and more grounded point of view within the individual. It is foolish to suggest that there is no risk, but it is equally uninformed to suggest that the risk is not worth taking. What is needed is experiential validation of a new guiding image, an overarching metaphor able to serve as the basis for a new model of society and the individual. The plant-human relationship has always been the foundation of our individual and group existence in the world. What I call the Archaic Revival is the process of reawakening awareness of traditional attitudes toward nature, including plants and our relationship to them. The Archaic Revival spells the eventual breakup of the pattern of male dominance and hierarchy based on animal organization, something that can not be changed overnight by a sudden shift in collective awareness. Rather, it will follow naturally upon the gradual recognition that the overarching theme that directs the Archaic Revival is the idea/ideal of a vegetation Goddess, the Earth herself as the much ballyhooed Gaia-a fact well documented by nineteenth-century anthropologists, most notably Frazer, but recently given a new respectability by Riane Eisler, Marija Gimbutas, James Mellaart, and others. The closer a human group is to the gnosis of the vegetable mind-the Gaian collectivity of organic life-the closer their connection to the archetype of the Goddess and hence to the partnership style of social organization. The last time that the mainstream of Western thought was refreshed by the gnosis of the vegetable mind was at the close of the Hellenistic Era, before the Mystery religions were finally suppressed by enthusiastic Christian barbarians. My conclusion is that taking the next evolutionary step toward the Archaic Revival, the rebirth of the Goddess, and the ending of profane history will require an agenda that includes the notion of our reinvolvement with and the emergence of the vegetable mind. That same mind that coaxed us into self-reflecting language now offers us the boundless landscapes of the imagination. Without such a relationship to psychedelic exopheromones regulating our symbiotic relationship with the plant kingdom, we stand outside of an understanding of planetary purpose. And an understanding of planetary purpose may be the major contribution we can make to the evolutionary process. Returning to the bosom of the planetary partnership means trading the point of view of the history-created ego for a more maternal and intuitional style. From The Archaic Revival by Terence McKenna

Permit me add a few additional remarks: While the nature of transitioning into the higher dimensions is absolutely awesome and amazing beyond description, it is also an agonizing experience of something like death in that one must disconnect from both the body and the breath. This is what I consider "surrender", and is necessary for going deep within. The voice/wisdom of a sadguru like Maharshi or Nisargadatta is a great aid during this process. It helps one to find their Center. One of the most fascinating and constant experiences that is worth sharing here is what happens to the "voice" of the guru. The best way I can describe it is that their voice goes from external to INTERNAL. It begins normally, coming through the ears, but at a certain point, their voice undergoes an astounding transition and is heard coming up from deep within, booming up from the source of one's own being, taking on a very different resonance and depth and power. If the voice is not from a realized being, it is very apparent, agonizing to listen to, halting and obviously mind constructed. There are many "gurus" available to listen to nowadays and as far as Im concerned 99% are worthless and do more harm than good. Now let me clarify, the "voice" is independent of the human speaking, such as a translator or reader. The voice of a sadguru is omnipresent, a living wellspring of eternal Truth. This is made obvious during such an experience. The word of the guru are undoubtable in such a state because Truth is your very nature. I should add that there is a utility to these visionary realms, these often divine states of consciousness. Entering them and experiencing their existence can greatly attenuate and assuage a seekers need to know that they are actually there, or here, even if still a construct of one's mind. They are not the final goal, but, rather just another state of conditioned experience to be released. This is especially true of the modern era, where materialism and a denial of such spiritual states is so prevalent and ubiquitous. Lastly, while the visions and beings one encounters during the experience are quite marvelous and never cease to shock one with both their staggering complexity, and strange recognizability, it was the process of getting there that always left me with the most pertinent lesson.. its simply meditation, albeit, forced upon you in this case. The sacred plants, the mysterious medicine, the psychedelic drug, the magical elixir is just a gift you have created for your own self. It exists within your consciousness, like everything, and is there if you need it.. to help show you the way. But ultimately, you dont, you wont, because its all a play of your own nature, and you need nothing to show you what you really are.

Yep, TRUTH, OBVIOUSLY, it is . Others talk of this but in different ways , what resonates to one, is the style if you like, i like Ramanas Style very much , its helped me help others , and myself . Epic

I'm using the word natural in it's primordial sense.

Except it most certainly can be known? It's known every single moment, an eternal moment, there is nothing but that which can be truly known. What it CANNOT be known to is the intellectual mind because it is limited to dualistic thinking, me vs everything outside of me. This is contradictory because the true self is not divisible, it never was, so the dualistic thinking is inherently incompatible as a result. That is why this truth MUST be experienced, for experience is fundamentally nondualistic; the illusion of duality is a relativistic construct, an illusion in itself. One must be extremely careful when using the word "known"... there's the definition of knowing something through the mind, and then there's the definition of knowing through direct experience. Like I can study how an apple tastes like, read others' accounts, have faith it tastes a certain way, study the science and mechanics on how the body tastes it, but none of it would compare to actually tasting an apple. So you can "know" how an apple tastes like, or you can experientially know how it tastes like. Sri Ramana Maharshi is not interested in the former, nor did he ever place an emphasis on it to my knowledge; he was only interested in the latter. I also believe you're mixing up words when you shouldn't be...the only bliss that is borne from desire is sensory pleasure, but the bliss Sri Ramana Maharshi mostly, if not always, refers to is more aligned with contentment. Contentment can only come from acceptance, and acceptance is probably one of the closest descriptions of what our fundamental nature is ("our" being used loosely within the confines of dualistic speech). So bliss is better translated as complete satisfaction, no strings attached (which initially can be experienced as a huge sensory pleasurable moment if the appropriate karmic tendencies are in place but it's not a strict guideline. They also die down the longer you stay in that state because it's inherently equanimous). I'm not sure where you're getting the no value possibility. Thinking that still places it in a dualistic framework because there must be someone to assign meaning in the first place, which shouldn't be possible because even the perceived self would be regarded as an illusion. If you think there's a choice to pick then the absolute truth hasn't actually been seen, there should no longer be a sense of separation at that point. Based on that alone it's questionable if you actually fully realized the fundamental truth or merely caught a glimpse and became entrapped in the common pitfall of intellectualizing the experience (which admittedly I did for a while too). I strongly advise you to stop with your thoughts (because that's what they are) and to return back to practice (and find an experienced teacher if you've been trying to go at it alone).

@@yerpderp6800 I am aware that choosing is dualistic. I am pro Creation if you will. I believe Creation was born from the desire of the Creator and all things that are in Creation are from the Father creator born of the "Virgin Mother" who is unknowable even to the Father of Creation which is ourselves. The Mother appears as magnetism in the physical which is often referred to as water in the scriptures. The Father appears as electricity fundamentally in the physical but is also any movement of energy in the physical, often called the Spirit in scriptures. I believe John the Baptist represents the guru within us all who is the seeker of Truth within ourselves without regard for another's opinion. John baptized Jesus in the river Jordan which marked the beginning of his search that ended with him apparently losing his head. Joshua brought the walls of Jericho down after 7 days of trumpet playing revealing a bunch of folks who had to be done away with like the voices in our heads that have no useful purpose. Jacob "confessed" I am Jacob and was blessed and given the name of Israel because it was revealed to him the difference between who is and who he appears to be. After, Jacob's children no longer ate of his Sinew. The Revelation of Jesus Christ to St John tells the same story but the trumpets break seals on letters to churches which are correspondences with our seven energy centers and then, and I think this is where we seem to have a different point of view, St. John learned not to be misguided by the world and then there was no more tears and a new Heaven and a new Earth. "The greatest of teachers won't hesitate to leave you there all alone tied to fate. I alone tempt you. I alone Love you, fear is not the end of this." I was thinking today, if it weren't for our differences we would be all alone. I know that from experience. 🙏

Circles it's all circles. It's nice to talk jive. It's all a trap. It's bondage. These teachings are a trap. Har Har Mahadev!!! Jai Durga Ma!!!♥️♥️♥️🕉️🕉️🕉️🔯🔯🔯

@@joker-mo8cb I would say most have no actual opinion and half of those with an opinion believe in overcoming the world and half believe in denying the world. Anyone can claim that their experience is the "true" experience giving the correct opinion and anyone who doesn't share their opinion is ignorant as they say. In the Baghava Gita Lord Krishna said in my opinion as the God head incarnate. No matter what he was written to say it is a man's opinion that wrote it, imo.

Yeah but that's a practice in itself. It's a trap

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Excellent

I could not understand when you mention that is that awake silence not present before insight … all things are already there but question is when it dawns/understood by oneself Is ‘who I am ?“ whatever the answer/realisation to that question is that not existing before one discovers

Many ways to One. To each his own

I agree, but would add Nisargadatta and J. Krishnamurti to your list of the best 🙏

@@jnananinja7436 nisargadatta. Yes!! Krishnamurti i cannot conect

@breath life I felt the same way about JK for a long time. I never really connected with some of the books I had of his. But when I started watching videos of his talks I began to finally tune into him, and I do believe he is "There". Im not trying to convince you of anything, but its noteworthy that Nisargadatta himself acknowledged JK's Self Realized state simply by observing him from afar one time in Bombay. 💛

@@jnananinja7436 i know! That he said so💞blessings to u!!!🧚‍♀️💫🌻many are there.. so one is enough😉🎇papaji mooji ramana etc. Are all just great

It's part one?

Just pointers and those are incomplete. If it's not your experience personally don't say it is. Yep

Interesting article.