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1. e4 e5: A Discussion (Eventually Middlegames) - GM Ben Finegold 

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Grandmaster Ben Finegold gives an intriguing talk about the most common amateur opening, the double King pawn game. Learn to play more than the boring Giuoco Piano. Spring traps and know to avoid them. See two Ruy Lopez middlegames that Finegold played.
2016.01.12
C50 Blackburne shilling gambit
Boris Kreiman vs. Benjamin Finegold, 2002: C64 Ruy Lopez, classical defence, Benelux variation
Ferdinand Hellers vs. Finegold, 1990: C64 Ruy Lopez, classical defence, Benelux variation

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Комментарии : 461   
@Bobby_Hall
@Bobby_Hall 8 лет назад
I'm amazed at how many jokes Ben is able to make and how quickly he thinks of them. I think he analyzes joke variations as much as chess variations!
@Roger-di3ib
@Roger-di3ib 8 лет назад
Bobby Hall ye
@coach_scuffy
@coach_scuffy 7 лет назад
Yet you hear no audible laughs. FeelsBadMan
@karlhungus5725
@karlhungus5725 7 лет назад
Bobby Hall I thought his jokes were great, and if his chess students are as poor as an audience had he been a comedian they will lose a lot more than he's hoping
@JerryMarbas
@JerryMarbas 7 лет назад
A couple of his jokes were gambits.... which I declined ;)
@srivatsamutukula9454
@srivatsamutukula9454 7 лет назад
100th like
@mikecantreed
@mikecantreed 6 лет назад
"You don't have to master the middlegame you can 1500 the middlegame"
@onefatalglance
@onefatalglance 8 лет назад
"Because in movies, grandmaster games end in five moves."
@Lover3Liar
@Lover3Liar 4 года назад
When Anish Giri is playing the games often end in five moves - because he offers a draw!
@Mati-zc2ym
@Mati-zc2ym 4 года назад
Once i was watching a movie with chess game included, the master player was thinking 5 minutes and delivered checkmate in 1. I believe Ben was not joking
@ophiolatreia93
@ophiolatreia93 3 года назад
@@Mati-zc2ym wonder what film. You seen revolver? Kind of a caricature of chess. As if the gambit is some revolutionary idea
@katyry5095
@katyry5095 2 года назад
Oh I would like to resummon people back to this comment
@katyry5095
@katyry5095 2 года назад
Also in 32:02 why didn't Ben Finegold take the queen with his light square bishop?
@vodozhaba
@vodozhaba 4 года назад
33:50 Ben Finegold: “My pawn structure is a little raggedy but I have a nice bishop” Eric Rosen: “I gave away a queen for two pawns but I have a nice knight”
@johnhinkleman9757
@johnhinkleman9757 2 года назад
Eric “connect four” Rosen
@ElJetzFoo
@ElJetzFoo 4 года назад
Me: “Hey, that’s my favorite opening!” Ben: “You will never see this opening in GrandMaster levels, you’ll see this often in kid matches” Me: Oh 🙂
@majo9145
@majo9145 4 года назад
lol sorry Italian game isn't the best to play but if ur an Italian game player, try the London system which is similar but way better.
@seess8251
@seess8251 4 года назад
@@majo9145 what if I'm an italian player🤔
@majo9145
@majo9145 4 года назад
@@seess8251 :) oop idk wut to do in ur case then
@Qhsjahajw
@Qhsjahajw 4 года назад
@@majo9145 i don't know what u are saying but Italian game is played quite frequently
@periodic98
@periodic98 4 года назад
Arkos 11 at Gm level though?
@kennethlauer4735
@kennethlauer4735 4 года назад
"that's correct. Wait, how are you correct? You feeling alright?"
@gamivibes
@gamivibes 4 года назад
i like this guy
@SanctuaryGardenLiving
@SanctuaryGardenLiving 3 года назад
He's great
@sharkdavid
@sharkdavid 3 года назад
LOL that's exactly what i thought after watching for like 5 minutes
@thrylos32
@thrylos32 3 года назад
He's da best
@mareklawera5411
@mareklawera5411 3 года назад
Bro I always watch ur vids it’s so cool you know Ben finegold XD
@thomasploemacher175
@thomasploemacher175 7 лет назад
One of GM Finegolds finest lectures. Not just because of the amount of jokes. So many lines to learn from, and stories to keep you entertained. Keep coming back to this every once in a while. So much to see, it's like a Waldo.
@jimbobjones-OG
@jimbobjones-OG 5 лет назад
Ben is such an excellent speaker, huge knowledge, witty as hell, what a delight.
@SynsityGW
@SynsityGW 7 лет назад
"After Nf6, I may have died, and he would have won the game" That's his explanation to why his opponent should have played a losing move rather than resigning. This guy is fucking hilarious.
@shottysteve
@shottysteve 3 года назад
man. these lectures are so easy to watch. can just binge em alllll day
@zackcruise
@zackcruise 2 года назад
that's what I do and I barely even play chess
@pokhuthird1194
@pokhuthird1194 2 года назад
what the hell
@bluemoon4961
@bluemoon4961 5 лет назад
_"...But since I won the game, do you think I accepted the draw?" _"that's right, you're paying attention" lol
@jajaja24ja85
@jajaja24ja85 3 года назад
I love this guy, it's like binge watching Netflix. Such a good lecturer, it's amazing.
@matteovrizzi
@matteovrizzi 4 года назад
36:45 holy crap. ben remembers every move of some random game he played in 1988.
@billowen3285
@billowen3285 4 года назад
I'm assuming he may have prepared for this lesson
@vatsala6497
@vatsala6497 3 года назад
That’s not uncommon when you have analyzed your games...For example I’m a trash 1400 online player but I think about my otb games I have analyzed a lot in my head so I can more or less remember the key ideas from games months ago.
@mr.welterchemistry5681
@mr.welterchemistry5681 3 года назад
I definitely think his memory is really good but also I think the games are main lines for certain openings with a little twist maybe so he's really just recalling the one unique move and then playing out the obvious following best moves. But yeah he is super talented in any case
@sameash3153
@sameash3153 2 года назад
his memory is insane. there's a video of him playing at a chess center and after he mates the guy he sets the board up again and shows every single move immediately after exactly as the game was played.
@paparoevlogs2524
@paparoevlogs2524 4 года назад
This is one of the best lectures I've ever seen. Cheers to GM Ben.. Humorous and well informed fellow
@zohnjimmerman8145
@zohnjimmerman8145 3 года назад
Idk why but after that guy at 29:30 coughed and Ben said "thank you" I started laughing
@arjunmenon3290
@arjunmenon3290 3 года назад
that had me dying
@hobbyless4089
@hobbyless4089 3 года назад
Ben is hilarious! When someone doesn't know the answer to one of his questions, he gives them a hard time. When someone answers correctly, he still gives them a hard time and asks them if they're feeling ok. LOL
@robbiesmith9838
@robbiesmith9838 4 года назад
you know its Finegold when someone asks the topic of the lecture after 23:49
@bnc2060
@bnc2060 7 лет назад
No one could ever believe how entertaining chess could be!
@weeblyploonbottom810
@weeblyploonbottom810 4 года назад
This is just a great all around video. I played this for my wife, my 6 year old and my 3 year old. I enjoyed this as a review too! I recommend this to players of all levels and all ages. That is pretty to make a video that can be useful to such a wide spectrum of players.
@EvilSecondTwin
@EvilSecondTwin 8 лет назад
LOL. Waited 14 minutes for the mention of "Mike Kummer!"
@EvilSecondTwin
@EvilSecondTwin 8 лет назад
PuzzleSolver Yes. That would be great! !
@ilmanti
@ilmanti 8 лет назад
+PuzzleSolver Then they can both analyze the same game and see how differently they think.
@gregbattis
@gregbattis 8 лет назад
+EvilSecondTwin Mike Kummer is the funniest joke Ive herd all day!
@lukacalov1988
@lukacalov1988 5 лет назад
but then he went on a streak at some point he said 3 times in a min
@davezick800
@davezick800 7 лет назад
I love this. Ben should try standup comedy!
@SalivationNation
@SalivationNation 5 лет назад
dave zick he prefers sit down, he’s much too lazy for standup
@Glowbox3D
@Glowbox3D Год назад
Thank you for shouting out The Lutzhin Defense. I watched it after you mentioned it, and I quite enjoyed it actually. Very obscure chess film. I love Turturro. I also love the internet for having these kinds of videos for me to learn from. Thanks for the mention and the awesome e4,e5 discussion.
@collaredgreens1600
@collaredgreens1600 7 лет назад
23:43 That "Temporary confusion" made someone in the room forget what was happening there entirely! hah!
@muigwamichael9837
@muigwamichael9837 4 года назад
Hehehe
@lukacalov1988
@lukacalov1988 5 лет назад
after 20:00 the analysis is so funny it brought tears to my eyes for the next 5 mins
@denisflinn3952
@denisflinn3952 5 лет назад
3 year anniversary of this video, and a Clemson joke is funnier than ever. Finegold analyzes those joke lines like a GM.
@Tweetogreggieb59
@Tweetogreggieb59 2 года назад
Two thumbs up, great content, verifiable by those in know, video recommended thank you!
@pastorofmuppets4552
@pastorofmuppets4552 6 лет назад
"Bb5: Too Sophisticated!" LMAO
@carlkligerman1981
@carlkligerman1981 2 года назад
‘Cheat like a Grandmaster’ had me spitting out my fruit loops. Hilarious. Would surely be a bestseller, Ben should write it!
@parkerbeck3580
@parkerbeck3580 7 лет назад
Wait, so "Cheat Like a Grandmaster" by GM Ben Finegold was just a joke? Nooooo!
@CGoody5642
@CGoody5642 6 лет назад
Parker Beck no. He just says it's a joke so you can say it's a joke if you get caught. If you don't get caught, you just cheated like a grandmaster. If you do get caught, you just joked like a grandmaster. Win either way.
@trucid2
@trucid2 4 года назад
15:01 The engine gives Nf7 a surprisingly high score, as the second best move after d4. It sacrifices a piece to gain tempo, which gets the black king out into the open where it can be harassed with Qf3.
@dtouey
@dtouey 8 лет назад
...slightly less violent...slightly less...
@felineleafjr
@felineleafjr 3 года назад
This channel needs more subs and also deserve it
@VOD-ripper
@VOD-ripper 7 лет назад
Ben spitting fire and taking shots as usual. Alex "not guilty" Serzer. lost it
@user-tf6pg7jj6c
@user-tf6pg7jj6c 4 года назад
He is actually right about Spanish vs Italian game. And it goes as far as national masters at least. I myself prefer Italian. Especially in blitz which I happen to play the most. If I play Spanish it is because I have saw grandmasters doing it. In fact I rarale even play e4-e5 from both sides nowadays. Since I stick to D4 with white and Sicilian or Carrocan with black in response to E4.
@macdondb
@macdondb 5 лет назад
I was crying from laughter by minute 22 or so. Hilarious analysis
@SalivationNation
@SalivationNation 5 лет назад
Daniel MacDonald “hilarious analysis”, what an understatement...
@thrdeyeopen
@thrdeyeopen 4 года назад
"Many of you are familiar with Steve Davis, the snooker player." Ben never fails to make me laugh, often within the first minute of his videos xD
@missjessgem
@missjessgem 8 лет назад
2nd comment... @4:14.... GM Ben Finegold is preaching the truth right here. In fact, I find myself laughing.
@JG-mf1yk
@JG-mf1yk 2 года назад
Don’t who is who, just stumbled into this and I could not get past how much drink the speaker can gulp in one talk. Wholly cow !
@FiikusMaximus
@FiikusMaximus 3 года назад
"Wait for my book Cheat like a grandmaster. Co-written by Borislav Ivanov- *shakes fist at the sky* -who's not a grandmaster!"
@voteforno.6155
@voteforno.6155 6 лет назад
13:55 Love how Ben likes to break the fourth wall.
@chriszablocki2460
@chriszablocki2460 4 года назад
These are great lessons, entertaining, and engaging. Thank you.
@DB-th8wm
@DB-th8wm 11 месяцев назад
Ben you explain things good buddy. Keep it up and thank you 👍
@charlescoleman6896
@charlescoleman6896 6 лет назад
Funny how people never took about "greed" when it's good to take something - only when it's a mistake.
@huracan200173
@huracan200173 6 лет назад
Well, to be greedy is a character flaw, so taking something when it's RIGHT to do it IMO, is not greed. It is what you should do, that's the goal of the game. But if that urge to take a piece means to do a mistake, than you're been greedy.
@johngreco5813
@johngreco5813 8 лет назад
23:47 "What's the lecture topic today?" ........TERRIBLE!
@BudEnzo
@BudEnzo 8 лет назад
Still more Finegold please.
@jzarfos
@jzarfos 7 лет назад
At 15:00, after KxD5 then D4, what is white supposed to do when ExD4? It seems strong for black.
@danielsayre3385
@danielsayre3385 3 года назад
Ah yes, this week's lesson from four years ago. Right on time
@VoiceOfIrrationality
@VoiceOfIrrationality 4 года назад
20:16 "Black played a move I've never seen before [in the Scotch] 3. . . . d5." . . . If Ben would have read Nimzovich's "My System" he would have seen this move discussed in chapter one.
@harshitchauhan5162
@harshitchauhan5162 3 года назад
You do know he is joking right? This was a beginners' class and the point was to make them learn that playing d5 against scotch is quite sharp for newbies
@TheConcentrationmoon
@TheConcentrationmoon 8 лет назад
30:39 He must have an eagle eye to see this desparado. What a legend.
@jvarunkumar
@jvarunkumar 6 лет назад
I didnt get it... :(
@Dacurryman00
@Dacurryman00 6 лет назад
TheConcentrationmoon I
@pastorofmuppets4552
@pastorofmuppets4552 6 лет назад
He's referring to Desperado by The Eagles, correct?
@Killarusca
@Killarusca 5 лет назад
Eagles often have great eyesight so he's praising the one who was able to see that desperado
@JimLink
@JimLink 8 лет назад
21:49 This kid gave him a heart attack
@jsltm888
@jsltm888 7 лет назад
JimLink HAHAHA
@colinmurphy2214
@colinmurphy2214 5 лет назад
No one laughs at his jokes but they’re hilarious, I think his crowd is a bit dull
@colinmurphy2214
@colinmurphy2214 5 лет назад
Turns out it’s children lol
@barakap6230
@barakap6230 5 лет назад
I know I am stupid like a 3yr old but is Morphy still alive?
@rawseed2973
@rawseed2973 4 года назад
@@barakap6230 yes he is on his wheel chair,, jumping up and down
@barakap6230
@barakap6230 4 года назад
@@rawseed2973 wtf haha. I didnt know who morphy was at that point.
@renehenriksen1735
@renehenriksen1735 4 года назад
4:52 Finegold has just asked which two players where involved in a Worldchampionshipmatch in the year 2000. He chooses someone among the audience to answer the question. The guy answers Kasparov and Kramnik. Finegold replies that it´s correct, looks slightly surprised and asks the guy if he´s feeling allright. That´ so funny. Had I been the guy I would have said: " - Of course I followed your advice and drank a lot of Ayahuasca! It works man!" Ha Ha Ha
@noahstonemusic
@noahstonemusic 5 лет назад
Omg why is no one laughing at these funny af jokes??
@Toxodos
@Toxodos 5 лет назад
dry delivery and they're often a bit obscure, especially for the kids
@MrOhioutod
@MrOhioutod 5 лет назад
I'm thinking the microphone just doesn't pick them up.
@ssgsaxgamer4902
@ssgsaxgamer4902 4 года назад
His audience are kids
@johnbongjoey5200
@johnbongjoey5200 4 года назад
He just put up some pieces of cardboard with child faces from newspapers and magazines glued to them. He even named some of them
@denkho6118
@denkho6118 5 месяцев назад
Never been to St Louis Chess Club, and think I never will. But I'm SO CURIOUS of where the Kingside Diner Classroom is, and is there Queenside Diner in there?
@andrewharper1609
@andrewharper1609 5 лет назад
Joseph Heller wrote Catch 22 if memory serves me correctly.
@ryanjavierortega8513
@ryanjavierortega8513 7 лет назад
I swear, Professor Finegold is developing Lectures that are going to make for an amazing tome! Can you imagine how beautiful a 770 page Book entitled: 1. e4 e5: A Discussion (New Haven and London: Yale University Press, 20??).
@mattvkpc
@mattvkpc 4 года назад
GM Finegold's comedy rating is 3100 ELO. Just hilarious.
@CGoody5642
@CGoody5642 6 лет назад
I couldn't help but think of curb your enthusiasm when GM Finegold talked about the GM turned lawyer is Sweden... "I got sweeded!"
@ophiolatreia93
@ophiolatreia93 5 лет назад
I never knew uncle Fetzer was such a brilliant mind!!
@TillSwims
@TillSwims 6 лет назад
Just saw the 1st 3min....already may fav presenter !
@Shinshokuful
@Shinshokuful 4 года назад
34:15 This has nothing to do with chess, but the second biggest city in France is Marseille, not Lyon. I had to say something.
@giovannicarriero7902
@giovannicarriero7902 4 года назад
I also thought about that. And I think (not sure tho) that Bordeaux might be bigger than Lyon
@Shinshokuful
@Shinshokuful 4 года назад
​@@giovannicarriero7902 It actually depends what you call "a city". If you're only talking about the commune, meaning the area that's ruled by only one mayor, then it's Paris Marseille Lyon Toulouse. If you're talking about urban area, meaning the total area with inuntterupted buildings (you then can have several communes and mayors), then it's Paris Lyon Marseille Lilles.
@MrClayfeetz
@MrClayfeetz 2 года назад
@7:13, why does white castle and leave the pawn undefended?
@MrClayfeetz
@MrClayfeetz 2 года назад
a sacrifice to lure the knight to another square?
@Danumurti18
@Danumurti18 3 года назад
It turns out that e4 e5 is a complex opening, alot of tactics right from the beginning
@manelisizimazile5888
@manelisizimazile5888 Год назад
Whenever he says very suspicious to an obvious blunder😂😂
@kingsleymaharajah7833
@kingsleymaharajah7833 4 года назад
One of the funniest commentators out there period if biting Wit was an elo Ben would be in the candidates with Jan and Lawrence !
@Locke19901
@Locke19901 6 лет назад
"You are 2/3rds right" .... So sick.
@daft2114
@daft2114 7 лет назад
actually marseille is the second biggest city in france i think lyon is fourth after montpellier. but nice content i like to play against the ruy lopez like you
@drew9351
@drew9351 4 года назад
Steve davis won 6 world championships in the 80s but still cool to hear him mentioned here
@ethanshyu3537
@ethanshyu3537 8 лет назад
Does anyone know what chess engine or database that Ben uses?
@Hasdarubal
@Hasdarubal 5 лет назад
Terrific video. Thank-you!
@skillywilly187
@skillywilly187 7 лет назад
what was that kid saying at 40:28 that look on bens face..
@craigjohnson2301
@craigjohnson2301 5 лет назад
I like this just because of what you said about the legend Steve Davis
@WeddingSingerSantorini
@WeddingSingerSantorini 4 года назад
This is one seriously cool guy :)
@geetarr
@geetarr 3 года назад
Ben is actually so funny in this lecture it hurts
@groovybuddha667
@groovybuddha667 4 года назад
That gulping at 17:30 was serious
@vasishta1882
@vasishta1882 5 лет назад
"If it's not legal you can try it anyway"
@chessloverontwitch
@chessloverontwitch 6 лет назад
I know its just a quote but rather than say "If you want to become world champion you have to play 1.e4 e5." I would just say to become the best player one can he should learn how to play symmetrical pawn positions and understand the strategies involved in doing so. Two works were very instrumental to me in learning symmetrical pawn positions, Mastering The Spanish by Daniel King and The Middlegame volumes 1 and 2 by Euwe and Kramer. I highly recommend the latter due to the fact that the classical games are very instructive in understanding the errors that were made by those players and how improvements have been made over the years.
@alikkk824
@alikkk824 3 года назад
39.52 pawn takes queen why is that illegal??
@nicolas3030
@nicolas3030 4 года назад
Thanks! Great professor.
@gishena
@gishena 3 года назад
Ben, isn't the position where white sacrifes the pawn on b2 for development the Icemandic gambit?
@jajaja24ja85
@jajaja24ja85 3 года назад
I know it as Danish gambit and it's one of the most fun openings ever. Until you reach a certain elo at least, but it's still amazing in blitz games.
@missjessgem
@missjessgem 8 лет назад
LOL!! I love that the video description says this is an "intriguing talk about the most common amateur opening", even though Wei Yi and Magnus Carlsen played an e4,e5 opening recently and grandmasters have been been playing e4,e5 for decades. Was this description an attempt at irony?
@fisher00769
@fisher00769 8 лет назад
I love both snooker and chess.
@givemeyourshekels1307
@givemeyourshekels1307 8 лет назад
+フィッシャー00769 Then you are a real intellectual powerhouse.
@andreasevers903
@andreasevers903 6 лет назад
And League of Legends?
@fisher00769
@fisher00769 6 лет назад
League is more like a love-hate relationship. I like the game, but there is hardly anything more that can frustrate me more than all the trolls, afks, and ragers who wish cancer on my entire family after one misplay. >
@pereralonso
@pereralonso 7 лет назад
I wonder if he's had the same position with white and black at the same time on any of his simus.
@Culfeldt
@Culfeldt 4 года назад
This was a good lecture.
@Wemdiculous
@Wemdiculous 6 лет назад
At 25:22 bxf2 seems to good to allow for me, what is the refutation?
@joha4574
@joha4574 4 года назад
queen e2
@tachak2
@tachak2 5 лет назад
Hi ! Thank you for the videos ! Why did you move to Belgium in 1988 ? I am half-belgian, half-russian, and I was curious.
@ami_269
@ami_269 2 года назад
Who's the person in Chicago? 😃
@yanair2091
@yanair2091 5 лет назад
What or who is Mycomer, (or is it Mike Hammer?) that he often mentions
@aayasar26
@aayasar26 4 года назад
Mike Kummer. He is a lower rated player who gives questionable lectures to kids.
@josephlecher6814
@josephlecher6814 7 лет назад
It makes me queasy every time he drinks. The mic is too close.
@haribhandari5309
@haribhandari5309 4 года назад
What a elites
@Craftybees2024
@Craftybees2024 5 лет назад
Snucker is a new sport to me
@NGDragon222
@NGDragon222 8 лет назад
What engine and UI are you guys using for your lectures?
@TheClassicWorld
@TheClassicWorld 8 лет назад
+NGDragon222 ChessBase, StockFish, something or other, both, I don't know. Sounds like a Ben Finegold answer.
@jonathanmarin7147
@jonathanmarin7147 8 лет назад
+The Anti-Theist They Use ChessBase13, dont know the engine, but i know is ChessBase13
@MadScientist3000
@MadScientist3000 8 лет назад
+NGDragon222 the answer is fries
@joelkoh7365
@joelkoh7365 4 года назад
Is his enemy Eric??
@AIMBOTKATFISH
@AIMBOTKATFISH 5 лет назад
I'm pretty sure Marseille is the second biggest city in France by a good bit.
@duckyown
@duckyown 7 лет назад
At 31:58 why cant the black bishop just take the queen after white plays e5?
@krisbroholm
@krisbroholm 7 лет назад
I think the point Ben was making was that after Bxf3 the material is even again, but black's position is a lot better (according to Stockfish) the problem for white is that there is too much pressure on the pawn on g2, so the bishop on g5 is effectively pinned and will be captured to avoid an unavoidable mating sequence. Example: 1... Bxf3 2. exf6+ Kh7 3. fxe7 Bc6 4. h4 f6 5. Bf4 Rxg2+ 6. Kh1 Rxf2+ 7. Nf3 Bxf3+ 8. Kg1 Rg8+ 9. Bg5 Rxa2+ 10. Rf2 Rxa1+ 11. Kh2 Bxf2 12. Bc1 Rxc1 13. c4 Rh1#
@kpdas8515
@kpdas8515 2 года назад
Is that Arjun asking those questions?
@cyxFrag
@cyxFrag 8 лет назад
Thanks, i was actually waiting for this discussion for a long time. I think e4 e5 is still solid, but ofc, out of super gm range.
@valentijnraw
@valentijnraw 8 лет назад
+cyxFrag what are you talking about ? out of super gm range ? still solid ? like WUT?
@Majora1988
@Majora1988 8 лет назад
+cyxFrag Huh? The Spanish game is still one of the most popular openings for GMs. The Berlin is especially fashionable.
@thomi77
@thomi77 5 лет назад
Isn't Marseille the second largest city in France???
@mortalwomprat
@mortalwomprat 3 года назад
If you’re not sure, then take things. Also, never trade. Only grandmasters can understand such wisdom.
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