@@PolenarTactical LOL, I have a utg bipod too. I've had it for seriously like 10 years and it was definitely bought as an accessory for an airsoft mk12 spr. I still use that bipod on real guns all the time. Works great.
Yeah, this cracked me up as well - usually You hear "scope mount from where? Pfff....", "oh, this glass is from China? Forget it...", "Did You torque it perfectly, and levelled with 3 separate systems, chanting to the glory of the Machine God" etc. Then comes Ziga with his build and... somehow it works.
@@Lemieszi did use my retard strength to tighten it on, so even if it wasnt alligned before, now it is 😆 After this scope worked, i didnt find a good reason to change it and honestly i even forgot that it was once broken... until i looked through it and spotted the blemish 😅
Important to remember, 10 shot groups are not the pinnacle of consistency either. Hornady made tests, 100 shots worth of 3 shot groups, 100 shots of 5 shot, and so on to 100 shot group. 3 shot group sizes can be +/- 60-70% from mean. If mean is 0.5 MOA, groups can be from 0.15 MOA to 0.85 MOA. 5 shot +/- 40-50% 10 shot +/- 30-40% 20 shot +/- 20-25% 30 shot +/- 15-20% 50 shot +/- 10% Everybody should watch their podcast about it. Search for "hornady ep. 50" and ep. 52.
Very good point but we get to higher cost and diminishing returns. For some people even 10 round groupings are "too expensive" Bloke has more info about this but Swiss apparently test with 30, 50 and 100 round groupings to evaluate the consistency and accuracy of certain ammo or rifle/ammo combination
Statistically you'd want to shoot out a selelction of barrels. Youd look at the steel for a given population. Youd look at the processes. It would be a lot. Where it would be relevant to have a barrel spun up is to have a barrel timed and indicated for "straightness". That way you focus on vertical stringing rather than horizontal or worse. Manage as much unknown as possible.
So you stole the idea and then claimed it for yourself??? Haha 😂 there’s an American who’s offered $100 bucks and then $1,000!! He finally paid the bounty to a kid Lol 😂 do your research dude!!
Thank you! I was really surprised by the result because i honestly thought it cant be done with a semi-auto rifle unless it's some kind of precision build
@@joshmajor8662 Slightly different rules on that one, I am assuming you are referring to the Backfire videos. And since it's different rules, it's certainly not "just stolen".
@@joshmajor8662 If you're talking about Jim from Backfire, Bloke talked about one of his MOA videos when discussing the grouping of his CZ 600 Trail. So, did the Backfire video at least contribute to this idea in some way? That would seem to be a reasonable thing to conclude. Is it accurate to say that Bloke "stole the idea and then claimed it for yourself"? No, as has already been pointed out, the rules are different. You could say that he's just continuing the same conversation. And even if he did just steal it, so what? Would that stop this from being worthwhile and interesting?
When I worked in gun stores, I was *sorely* tempted to make 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 inch circles out of paper or cardboard just to carry around and slap on the counter when someone wanted to go on and on about MOA. "If (insert rifle model here) can't hold at least 1 MOA it's JUNK!" Slap 2" circle on the table and ask if they'd be unhappy with 10 rounds in that at 100yds and watch them shut up. Or sputter and sperg uncontrollably. Either way improves my day.
What prompted me to do this video were the comments under my CZ600 Trail review video. That rifle just isnt capable of shooting sub MOA with 10 rounds but it's sub 2 MOA I think this is still very good but people thought it was shit. So many gun owners think their rifles can do much better without even full understanding what MOA means. The other thing i also suspect is that many people dont understand that accuracy is a cone that relatively equally spreads out relative to distance from the shooter
the average shooter can't hold 1MOA without basically benchresting the rifle. I challenge guys to put 10 in a pie plate at 100 from standing. Any rifle will do that, most shooters can't.
@PolenarTactical Ziga selling cars: No, it won't do the speed limit. It was never designed to do that. If you want to do the speed limit, then you will need a custom hot rod. I doubt most drivers have the skill to do 30 miles per hour anyway.
@@NelsonZAPTM if i use cars or the analogy - most EU cars have a speedometer up to 250km/h Looks nice but most cars cant make it, even if you have 100 km of straight road and the best driver behind the wheel. This are most common rifles on the market. Then you have some better ones, so lets say some cars that can actually do 250km/h but only with proper tyres and with a good driver, that wont crash before it reaches that speed. And then you have high ends sports cars that will do it without a problem, some even with sub-optimal tyres and with a amateur driver, but those "cars" or rifles are not that common and usually specifically built for certain purpose, like PRS, F-class, ELR,...
@@PolenarTactical you can make me eat my words when I post my groups for Blokes challenge. BTW, he bet me Ruger American wouldn't be moa. Can you ask him what the wager is please? Nothing like a little pressure to increase performance.
Thank you Ziga! I think this is quite an important conversation to have for a more realistic perception of rifle/shooter capabilities. BUT I have a small tweak for this challenge that i want to propose: dont measure the overall group size, but make a 1 MOA target and all 10 shots have to land inside (edge hits count) the target. The point of small groups is to hit a small target and I get the impression people believe their "sub-MOA all day long" rifle will hit a sub-MOA target all day long. Essentially people will also be confronted with how well they zeroed their rifle and if they did it for a mean average group (with 10/20 or 30 shots) or for the smallest group that they shot. In my experience there is always an excuse. "oh that's a flyer, lets not count it" "pulled the shot" "zeroed for different ammo" In range practice this is one thing, but when it comes to hunting I really wish that people make sure they can hit a desired target, not focus on how close they got their 3 shots. Regardless, thank you for putting this out there and inspiring us to gather more real data for ourselves
That's also quite challebging, especially if we extend the distance and wind becomes a bigger factor. Regarding the zero, i had my Savage .308 spot on at 100 meters. I actually moved my zero a couple of clicks down so the bullet holes would not destroy my aiming point. But Schmeisser - i just winged it. When i saw i was on target, i started with the grouping 😅
@@Chris1776_7 As shown by Ian McCollum's results with his precision rifle. He couldn't hit 1 MOA with that beast let alone with the lightweight rifle he choose to make an attempt with
Finally someone is giving that UTG M-lok bipod the notoriety it deserves! I've been using the bipod for years, and it's the best "budget friendly" heavy-duty bipod on the market. I've used it on battle rifles, LMGs, and even on my .300 win mag "Mile rifle"!
A few weeks ago I went to the range to sight in 2 optics on 1 rifle. The rifle was a Criterion 14.5 barrel with a headspaced BCM bolt. Leupold 1-6 with an Aimpoint Micro offset at 45°. The LPVO shot a 1.2" group all day with 77gr OTM. Shooting the offset Aimpoint....I shoot 2 5 round groups (all shots at 100 meters) at a 1/2 MOA. To this day I cant explain it. Blew my mind. So yeah I can understand the 'mind blown with the results' head scratcher.
AR rifles are probably the most accurate semi-auto platform. They just had so much evolution and development done, that no other new design can match it. Also the DI system creates the least amount of disturbance to a free floated barrel
I have seen some Mosins shoot 2 MOA five shot groupings. Not sure how that works but some rifles have really good barrels, probably the Finnish refurbished ones. Also they use shims between the stock and action and it somehow improves the accuracy. I was blown away because i always thought about the Mosin as a "garbage rod" :D
@@a330flyguy2 I know that if you have to explain a joke it's already dead, but a moa is an extinct bird from New Zealand. They were like gigantic ostriches.
@@PolenarTactical excellent response!! In USA It was nuns drove foresters 1st, then the bulldykes lol, They definitely have taste in practically & performance. Maybe they both watched rally race? Questions of the universe? Cheers mate.
@@PolenarTactical That's requirement for Forester commercials. For STI you need to smoke vape and wear your cap backwards. For my NA wagon I need to find myself spot in a retirement home.
I purchased a Savage 10FP many years ago. That rifle WAS extremely accurate. Sadly I set the bar very high after that rifle and had unrealistic expectations about everything I purchased thereafter.
Gonna have some fun tonight. Savage is such a good base. I remember wondering what my buddy was doing spending a couple hundred for the rifle then 1500 for the glass but the results spoke for themselves. Good stuff Žiga.
Thanks! Yeah, Savage is great, especially if you consider the price. Their earlier rifles were also accurate but usually the cheap plastic stocks made it much worse. My rifle was one of those
I often forget that the scope was broke until i look through it Eventually i will change it out but i really dont have a reason to do it right now - also the desert paint job matches the chassis :D
Nice video, I have a question here.. you are using S&B 69gr .223 ammo.. have you ever experienced pierced primers with this ammo? With My Remington 700 Varmint SF i get pierced primers with this ammo.. my friend’s tikka T3 and Ruger American experience the same issue..
I had the same problem of pierced primers shooting S&B 223 55gr FMJ with my Howa 1500 mini action recently. First time it happend with S&B ammo, normally have no problems.
Never, not even any signs of overpressure Could be the wrong combination of parts, rifle and ammo I experienced blow out primers with PPU ammo in FAL but it worked fine in other rifles
Is pillar bedding bolt actions and glass bedding the recoil lug a thing in Europe? It's common accurizing for hunting rifles in the US. Very cheap, and effective. I imagine there are tons of US entries with DD or Geissele entries. Berger otms, mk262 clones, eld-m is not hard to buy off the shelf. Trick is find a suppressor that helps tighten up groups on the shorter setups.
It was a thing for sport/precision shooters but now most modern European rifles have high quality stocks and people dont bother. Personally i like to thinker and glass-bedding can make a big difference for some guns if you do it right. At the moment we don't have anyone trying it with a DD or Geissele but there's a guy that has done it with a Savage AR10 in .308
Thanks Sadly with the push of shorts and restricting gun content, our normal videos are getting less and less views so investing a lot of time doesn't pay of. But you are in luck, a couple of times a year we go all in and make a really long video. This time it will be from Lynx Brutality that just happened a week a go. An the other one will be a scope factory tour :)
@@PolenarTacticalI think the shorter length is refreshing. The standard from every channel these days seems to be 30 minutes and I just don’t have enough interest or time to watch them lately. Also don’t feel bad for just reusing some footage to make shorts for the algo. It’s all a hustle and people gotta play the game. We understand.
@@Almost_Made_It Thanks for the feedback! Sometimes it's really disheartening to see a video make a fraction of the views that we got in the past despite investing much more time and money into it
@@PolenarTactical Since you are the weird crew of your own videos, doing the rare long video is cool. You all can't be C&Rsenal with its coverage of history and historical figures with outrageous backstories like Samuel Colt or f'd over stories like Paul Mauser
@@PolenarTactical you should do some Slovenian gun culture focused videos too. I think you’ve got a lot of potential content just by the fact that you’re a gun channel in a foreign country that, let’s be honest, 99% of us think is Slovakia lol. I think people would be interested in learning a bit about you guys over there.
I see you showing off that Subaru WRX in the background. That's my allt time favorite Japanese car. I wonder if my SCAR can do it. I'm gonna try it next time I am at the range. I've had some great groups in the past. But who knows, I'm not a sniper. Lol
Think of minute of angle as a cone of where a bullet will hit at a givem distance. If your rifle is one minute of angle it will hit within an inch at 100yards going out to say 500 yards it should hit within that same cone but now within 5inches
I like the fact that you asked because there's a lot of people don't quite understand it but use it anyways to brag about accuracy. In short, MOA means minute of angle. So we have degrees - a circle has 360 degrees and every degree has 60 minutes of angle (MOA) = a complete circle has 21.600 MOA So MOA is not a measurement of length but a measurement of angle. Why we like to use it is because 1 MOA at 100 yards is approximately 1", 2 MOA at 100 yards is approximately 2" and so on. And since this is a measurement of angle, 1 MOA is 1 MOA, regardless of distance. It just means that 1 MOA grouping at 50 yards will be 1/2 of an inch (because you half the distance), it will be 1" at 100 yards, 2" at 200 yards, 3" at 300 yards and so on. So if a rifle can shoot at certain accuracy, let'0s say 2 MOA, you can immediately know what kind of accuracy to expect of it from any distance. Any yes, we are also making a video about this trying to explain it in simple terms
I was super nervous! And with the Savage .308, the last two shots weren't me but probably the rifle or ammo. My mistake was shooting too fast and at the end the barrel was quite hot...
@@PolenarTacticalbut they are known for "no questions asked lifetime warranty" i personally have seen demolished vortex scopes that had been accepted on warranty and replaced with new ones.
S&B is great ammo. Two great results. I like the idea of 10 rds. My mentor for shooting high power would want see my last 10 shots of a 60 rd string, barrel would be hot. None would be close to 1MOA, but a few put up some nice groups.
I once did the math and figured out you actually need to shoot *at least* 30 shot groups if you want the group to represent the gun's true cone-of-fire, 30 shots gives you an average 12% deviation from the mean (which is within 0.25 MOA on a 2 MOA gun). I know ammo's expensive but that's just how bell-curves and normal distributions work folks.
Hey Ziga. Being the poor shooter I am, the only thing I own is a Sako Quad in 22lr. Best I ever done with it was a 10 shot group at 50 meters with RWS target rifle, the size under the 14mm of a 1 eurocent coin. 8.3mm hight by 9.2mm wide exactly. I think that's lower than a MOA at 50 yard ^^
Might give it try with my AR next time, if not to show its always a good practice Surprised there is not a Mimtac trigger in the Schmeisser, do feel making good follow up shots. And for taking slower shots in general its really easy with how that trigger breaks, i just love it. Cant wait for the AK version to come out finally, its the only upgrade i have left on my AK 😄
My Tikka CTR with a Nikon Monarch 24x zoom scope can hit a 1" bullseye every time at 100 yards. It got boring after about 10 shots. It's a good rifle. A little heavy tho. Of course it was bench rested. I couldn't do that off hand.
@@danieldz7906 i feel like 55gn is the worst for accuracy - usually its the cheapest mass produced ammo and also lighter bullets dont do well in faster twist barrels
@@PolenarTactical have ever tried Geco Target 55gr in your AR? I have a 16,75 inch Schmeisser, the gun shoots very thight groups with this ammo, for an AR...
I want to try this even though I know I’ve never gotten 1 moa from more than 5 rounds with my Bren 2 .556. I’ll give it a go with my Ruger bolt gun just for kicks. Great thing about gun challenges is it’s still a ton of fun when you fail at it.
I can already tell you that Bren 2 can't do it. I tried it with different kind of ammo and can't get under 2 MOA with 10 rounds. That's not bad but it seems most AR15 can shoot better. Now i don't know if there's something in the design or what but with my limited experience i saw worse accuracy from short or long piston systems than DI I would still love to see your try with Bren 2. My worst results were with cheap 55gn ammo, maybe try something a bit heavier and premium :)
I really think you are correct about it being DI versus piston. Just my opinion but less moving before the bullet has left the barrel would make sense. Really enjoy your videos man.
@@jb8086 Thanks! I just got a Sig550 and im eager to test it for accuracy. Swiss are known for very precise firearms and it will be interesting to see how it does
I swear I remember noveske saying their most accurate barrel they ever made was a 10.5 inch ar-15 barrel. I guess the shorter barrel length gives you a "stiffer" barrel for a given barrel profile.
@@PolenarTactical have you guys ever used one of Criterion’s Core barrels? Funky profile that tries to give a decent compromise between weight and heat buildup.
Challenge isn’t easy at all. I saw the original video and attempted this past weekend with some buddies. Of the 6 of us only two of us made it close or was able to complete the challenge. My friend with a gap mk13 mod 1 clone shot a .86 moa ten shot group using hornady 195 gr ELD-M 300 win mag. My Sako TRG 338 lapua with 250 gr scenar otm shot a 1.12. Other rifles in attendance were a q fix in 308, sig cross in 6.5, a Remington 700 in a magpul chassis and one of the Springfield bolt guns. Most everything else was 1.2-2.0 moa. I want to try to redo it again with 300 gr rounds as my rifle tends to prefer them to the 250gr.
Done sub MOA 5 round groups with my light weight hunter 300 Win Mag which has an amazing hammer forged barrel etc. but 10 round groups. This is not an easy challenge but I want to give it a try.
I don’t think my 16 inch faxon pencil barrel will shoot a 10 shot 1 MOA group but only one way to find out haha. I do think my 12.5 inch Rosco K9 barrel will perform very well though. Great video as always
My WWSD pencil barrel was around 1.5 MOA until i shortened it to 12" Now the best grouping was at 1.3 MOA with 10 rounds. What i also noticed with mine is that it groups better when it's hot. I always got better groupings after 20-30 rounds with a hot barrel. I think this is because when the barrel is cold and starts to heat up that is the time where the majority of stringing and termal shift happens. Once the barrel is hot enough, it stays consistent. I have no idea if this is something all thin barrels do or not. This is also technically against the rules of this challenge, but what i would do in your place is set up a target with 3 aiminng points and then start with 20 rounds of cheaper ammo, shoot it relatively fast and do groups. Then without letting the barrel cool, you load 10 precision rounds and take your time to shoot the last grouping. The other way would be to wait very long between shots so barrel can cool down. Either way we would love to se your submissions with both rifles 🙂
@@PolenarTactical that's very interesting. I'll definitely keep that in mind about heating up the barrel. Also just running a primary arms 1x micro prism on the 16 inch pencil barrel to keep the rifle very lightweight so no magnification. Thank you for the in depth educational response. Love the content you guys produce
Three round group is what you would like to think you and your rifle can do, 5 rounds is more like it. 10 rounds, many people will pull the last couple off, like you did.
The thing is that i didn't. Those weren't fliers, my shots were perfect. I suspect it's because of thermal change in the barrel - i didn't wait long enough between shots and it got quite hot. When i do accuracy testing i also shoot a lot from a very solid lead sled and the "fliers" are just part of the overall accuracy of rifle/ammo. Could be variation in velocity or some other factor but i have seen rifles group nicely from 4-6 rounds and then widen the group. It could just be normal statistical distribution but it just shows itself like that because humans are wired to see patterns in things. Long story short, 5 round groupings can still be a bit deceiving because if you shoot a couple of them, there will be quite a lot of variation. For example i was able to produce two 5 shot groupings with my CZ600 Trail that were under 1 MOA but was never able to make it even close with 10 rounds. But yes, 10 rounds also bring out the skill of the shooter - for this challenge i was most afraid that i will mess up, not the rifle
@drtech-pw2cu that's your primeval monkey brain which is preprogrammed to see patterns where none exist - if you see a 5 shot group with 3 together then 2 off in different directions you're preprogrammed to say "look! those 3 are the group and the others are fliers!" And it takes some deeper understanding of the statistics involved to learn that this is not necessarily the case (have a look at "statistical clustering", that's in a similar vein): our brains are not adapted to see randomness. It's an adaptation from millions of years ago, where seeing a false positive in in a pattern isn't likely to do much other than give you a bit of anxiety, whereas a false negative in a pattern will get you eaten by a sabre toothed tiger or stung to death by killer hornets. Those last 2 shots were simply part of the overall group, but your monkey brain really, really wants to see them as out of it.
I've only shot a sub 1moa (0.75 moa) once at 100 yards (3 shot), it was with a K-31 with PPU 175gr sp, I will chuck it up to luck, because most folks are lucky to shoot a 3moa group off the shoulder!!
Well..I made 2 attempts,and right after the other..1.21moa was my best.. I may need to invest a rear bag. I wasnt able to do Moa All day. Still got 1 more entry to give it a shot.
I have a lot of suppressors at home. Primarily i used Silent Steel compact on this rifle but i loved the look of this CQB Valhalla suppressor as it's direct thread and rests inside the handguard. It's sooo aestherically pleasing 😊 I had it on for a photoshoot and decided to just keep it for a while. Now i must test if it somehow cobtributed to the accuraccy or the rifle would do it regardless. The BK suppressor will probably get a permanent home on my WWSD after some testing and adjustment
shooting 10 shot groups without wind flags? Even at 100 yards it matters, 0.25-0.5" moa is quite possible wind deflection between two extremes. You probably had wind change.. shooting for small groups is pointless without flags, trust me and trust everyone doing any kind of bench rest shooting.
When i first read your comment my first reaction was "bullshit", probably because i learned in the military to just ignore wind at 100 meters. Lol, i get the irony 😆 I checked in Hornady and you are absolutely correct, .223 and .308 will have enough drift even with 5mph wind at 90 degrees to make a difference, especially with 10 round grouping. But what worked for me is that there was no wind at that range, especially no gusts and the conditions didnt really change between shots. I honestly think my .308 started to spread out because of heating up the barrel. I noticed similar results when i did some testing in summer and shot multiple 5 shot groupings back to back
I'd like to try this with my 16" but i think the stainless heavy barrel and A2 stock puts it over the weight limit. Its possible i could strip a pound or more off though, have a hollow A1 stock for it. We will see.
Dont worry about the weight limit, we're accepting all submissions. Have fun, try it out. Most of rifles that were able to do it were over the weight limit We're gathering more info and we will probably make a revised challenge next year
Aero precision 18 inch stainless 55 grain fiochi. One hole. No joke. Haven’t shot in 2 years. Yes it happened. First time. Second time was .50 and it weighs 8.5 pounds with 4-16 Sig scope
Would have guessed that a good scoped SBR could do it. One of the chief benefits of a longer barrel is a longer sight radius. The scope makes that irrelevant and saves weight.
I've got an old Steyr SSG 69, bought it years ago, never shot it much, but it weighs in naked at 4kg, with the Kahles and the Harris bipod it might just scrape in under. Needless to say, the biggest hindrance for a good result, is me. My trigger time is laughable, I go hunting like 2x a year, and perhaps to the range also 2x. So I suck, but the rifle should be good for it. 😂
Even if the rifle is over weight, you should do it. It's fun, good training and also an interesting thing to see. When i was younger SSG69 were the shit. Best "sniper" rifles you could get. Would love to see how they group
These challenges are quite interesting, mainly with the limitations they have. Most target rifles will be above the required weight, well before optic and bipod attachment. 1 moa isn’t nearly as hard to achieve as many RU-vidrs make it out to be. I have at least 5 rifles that would meet this requirement, but not the weight requirement (they are 14-19lb rifles in load out config).
True, almost all target rifles should be able to make it, especially with proper ammo. I have checked your channel and i agree that 1 MOA isnt that hard to do if 1) you have the right equipment and 2) you as a shooter can do it Also i dont think its that hard to do from a shooters perspective if you are using a proper bipod and rear bag setup. But... just look at a normal gun owner, what kind of rifles they have and if they even know what MOA means or how to tune a load. I believe the vast majority of people cant do it with a 10 round grouping. Not that they wozld suck, but a lot of rifles on the market just arent capable of doing it even if fired from a lead sled. Maybe with proper tuned handloads and some accuracy upgrades...
@@PolenarTactical video uploaded. I didn’t shoot, but my girlfriend shot a 0.57moa group on her first attempt, and followed it up with a 0.68moa group. The first group would have been in the low 0.4 moa range, but shot 7 opened it up….but they all count. I’ll try to actually shoot on the next outing.
This is solid advice I believe i didnt wait enough with my Savage .308 and that's why i got vertical stringing and those 2 "fliers" at the end. The barrel was quite hot
"So i did all this stuff to my rifle to make it more accurate, added all this cool stuff to it....decided to put a broken scope on it...sub moa." He's trolling, right?
@@PolenarTactical ok. I just don't understand why you'd go to all that effort just to slap a piece of broken equipment on top. But the trolling bit, I meant ....most of you can't shoot sub moa. Proceeds to shoot sub moa with a broken scope. Which is exactly what you did.
@badprogramming2486 when i put this rifle together i didnt have enough money for a proper scope. I got this one for free and initially wanted to use it for a video (shooting through a scope myth) But after i managed to glue it together i noticed that it holds zero, so i paninted it and put it on this rifle as a placeholder... well, i did a lot of shooting with it, even a precision rifle course in CZ and got hits at 1 kilometer in Slovenia. Idk, it just happened. Now i have 3 scopes that are much better quality than this one but i never bother to change it. It just always worked 😅
You should try it anyway It will be a fun thing to do and we love to see submissions from all sorts of rifles, one mad lad even tried it with a pistol! :D
Here's a 10rd group with my 11" HK MR223 A3 at 300 meters on an A100 target with cheap 55grain ammo and a Micro T2 without magnification. 100 points is the best shot you can make. every point equals 0.5cm. so 98 points means you're 1cm off the center. with the first 4 rounds I tried to get to the center with my hold and the other 6 built a group of 3-5cm: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ryI8VdIFbUg.html I assume the MR223 is absolutely capable to shoot 1 moa with quality ammo but it's the shooter who doesn't shoot accurate enough (I'm no exception in this regard).
I have shot with a couple of MR223 and i didn't get a feeling that those were any more accurate than normal ARs, maybe even less because of the short stroke piston. I havent actually tried them with proper quality ammo so it's possible. You should do the challenge, im interested to see the result
If I had 2 weeks vacation and around 2kUSD, would Slovenia be a cool place to take a vacation? Asking for a friend. :) Ya'll drive on the right? Right?
Yes, it actually amazing place for vacation. A very small country with amazing and diverse nature. We are also super close to Venice and Croatia - 3 hour drive max I highly recommend it
From my personal experience of 4 years of hard use, it's absolutely amazing. There are some haters that dont like it and there were some people that had legit problems with some of there rifles (most before 2019) but mine is perfect. I was mind-blown by the result i got for this challenge
@@PolenarTactical In 2020 came an Gen2. Update of the MF4-MF5FL and the Dynamic. All my Sports shooting colleagues are enthusiastic about the Schmeisser Weapons. 👌🏻
None of my guns are zeroed, so ill probably give this challenge a try once i finally have time. I think my new "dr. frankenstein's parts bin Mk12" is the only gun that has any chance though
@@PolenarTactical I wrote to Schmeisser customer service and now I know what kind of rifle barrel the S4F has. The barrel is made of high-performance steel (tempered steel) and the surface is blued (oxidized). The cartridge chamber can use both calibers .223 Rem./ 5.56 NATO".
Bingo We did a whole video (that YT didnt want to show) about shortening a WWSD pencil barrel from 16" to 12" and the accuracy improved. If you shorten the barrel, relation of length to thickness changes and the barrel is more rigid = more consistent
