The way I see it, considering the overall dps is about the same, the advantages of each would be: for single thrall - higher stats mean higher hp wich means they are less likely to die as quickly - only 1 set of gear required to outfit them thus saving resources - they make decent boss tanks being able to survive and kill them on their own most of the time for double thrall - twice as much storage space to haul things around - twice the aggro drawn away from you - together they are cabable of double teaming enemies, potentially stagger locking them so they have a difficult time retaliating - being able to level up 2 thralls at once, saving a lot of time (best thing imo)
Additionally, by the wording of the War Party perk, +Follower Damage armor and food/potions won't work on the 2 thralls, but will in the Well Trained 1 thrall. That's potentially +74% extra damage, on top of the already +80% that maxed Authority attribute gives, the 2 thralls missing out on a combined +154% damage. That-s _in addition to_ the +20 to strength/agility, vitality, and grit. If players were allowed input on the system, I would suggest removing the term "statistics", and instead only take away the extra damage from "attributes" (the 20 Authority resulting in +80% Follower Damage), so they can at least keep player armor/food/potion +Follower Damage bonuses. A potential +74% on 2 thralls should balance out potential +154% & +20 damaging attribute for the 1 thrall.
Even if the 1 thrall was slightly faster in all fights I would still run with 2 thralls. The reason being that the 2 thralls give you the option of using combos of high damage/armor pen/ bleed/ cripple etc. The 2 thralls are also less likely to be stun locked by groups as can often happen with a single thrall and 2 thralls can also carry more gear.
It is very much 6 of one, half a dozen of the other. The fights where people lose thralls will still kill both thralls or a 20+ to all stats thrall. They have crippled them enough that it doesn't matter. The fights that Thralls can handle either setup will work. If you are in unnamed city doing a boss rotation the variation in time spent killing a boss isn't going to break the rotation. I go with 2 because I am in a perpetual state of leveling followers and leveling 2 is faster than leveling one.
The amount of benefit that the "Well Trained" perk gives is highly dependent upon how the follower levels. Because Cimmerian/Accursed followers have somewhat low bonuses per point of vit/grit/strength, the perk doesn't juice them up as much as it might with a different follower choice. The biggest delta of improvement is with pets and other pet-like followers. Some of the top tier pets might give you 200% damage bonus, +200ish armor, and +2k health. I think it's great that you can try both options. Outside of pure combat efficiency, being able to carry a fighter and a bearer, for instance, could be a great boon in terms of utility. (Or a dancer, if you need to clear corruption frequently.)
In my two-player coop game I run two-thralls almost exclusively, one fighter one bearer. The bearer carries a shield and has the taunt perk activated, the fighter is a cimmerian berserker with an obsidian two-handed hammer and taunt perk deactivated. Works absolute wonders alongside my friend who's full DPS, who can just dart in and out to deal a bunch of damage before backing off to get stamina back. When we start doing places where heavy corruption is a factor, I'm gonna run fighter/dancer with Lianeele, again the dancer having a shield and taunt perk up.
I use 2 thralls and have them each equipped with 1 handed mace that can apply poison damage. They shred everything in ridiculously short times. If you have weapons with armor pen and that can apply sunders on both thralls, they almost without fail, keep up the full 4 stacks of sunders 100% of the time. With the exception of undead, the poison also stacks up quickly and stays up. The same 2 thralls with 1 handed maces easily handle every boss I have faced with no issue and quickly. As an added bonus, against mobs like the Judge, using 1 handed maces, they also consistently keep him knocked down.
1 is best if you're willing to fight alongside your thrall to stack affects. Its better for bosses, and can allow for heals without your thrall dying. 2 is better for training, carrying capacity, and speed for killing. So basically if you're trying to use your thrall specifically as a battle thrall it's better to get the 1. If your thralls are gonna be companions helping you perform menial tasks and you mainly plan on using them against the average NPC than two is better.
the difference not mentioned, you can take a dancer and give her daggers, you can bring a pet and a thrall, you will get more carry from two than one. you can sunder with one and dps with the other, there are a lot of combinations that are good for two thralls you cannot do in one. even pull on out of the fight to heal and exchange when it is healed up.
There are other benefits to having 2 thralls. Like having a Caravan Rhino and a thrall when harvesting. Thumping new thralls is faster and thinning out unwanted thralls is easier. Having 2 different weapons with different effects is a bonus. Also having one be a dancer increases heal times out of combat and removes corruption.
Two is better. they interupt the enemy letting the other thrall recover from the combo. sometimes stunlocking the enemy. for most adventuring i have a Lance and a GreatSword. the lance is very aggressive allowing the greatsword to sneak in with a full combo. Most fights i dont even attack thanks to the combo jugglers
Thanks for the video. I pretty much always use two thralls. I think they do more damage plus it’s faster leveling two thralls at a time, you have double carry capacity and double the amount of followers pulling agro. I would love to see you do more testing with this. The damage perks and attributes points are also having a significant impact on the thrall damage output as well, so if all thralls don’t have the same perks and attribute points one can do more damage than the other.
Since they're so close in combat I say it comes down to other factors. Consider with the 2 thrall perk you can now take 2 pack bearers out to harvest materials.
u kinda forget the most important thing for the most people on those videos about thralls, u forget about the life. idk about u but i dont care about the time, when im playing conan is cuz i have time to "lose" but yeah, on pvp that could be a important factor but more important than that is if ur thrall will die or not. so would be better to know if 2 thralls are more "life efficient" than the time they take to kill. and u moving them cuz they cornered the boss near a wall is another thing, 2 thralls are better cuz they can do exactly that, corner someone and gang up on him, mainly if u are fighting too. other than that thanks for the content and time spent to make those tests!
Thanks for running the tests for us to help us choose. But to any viewer looking for more answers there’s a lot to consider. You aren’t fighting bosses all day, sometimes you’re fighting a lot of enemies or surviving a purge. So far In my testing I’ve found it’s far more annoying to have your thralls you have been leveling die. If you don’t have best in slot gear for the 2 thralls there’s a good chance they will die in a purge or out on your travels. Having one super buffed up just gives you better chances of leveling them up to their fullest potential. I’m thinking of super buffing the one follower until leveled, and doing it again with a new one, then maybe taking the perk to have them both out there. As of now a greater bear super buffed has been fun.
i've been running Lianelee and a Relic hunter. weapon choice of envenomed daggers and a two handed mace for armour pen. the two thrall build seems easier for me. plus the dancer passive heal in the fight is nice and making sure we're not losing health during the dungeon from corruption is useful for the clan.
In my single player game I use 2 level 20 Dalinsia Snowhunters with both using Aja's Bane. Five sunders come quickly. I use a 2H sword for the cripples. It seems to work well.
Simple: Early Game: Single boosted Thrall (Higher survivability, less resources) Late Game: Two unboosted Thralls (Higher damage, more resources, can be supported with healing arrows)
Logically I cannot see how 1 thrall can be better than 2. All the blurbs I've been reading have them saying 1 thrall is better cause he's tankier. May be true. But if u set the 2 up the way u did one with sunder and the other with heavy DPS there's no way 2 will lose a fight. Of course armor matters and how u level them up. High health pool and agi (which buffs the dodge and armor factors) again logically I can't see how 1 is better then 2
Having only 1 thrall is very, very, veery situational. If you are a solo, youd want to have 1 thrall only when fighting against Arena champion or thag. Thats it, but if your thralls have been min maxed, theres no point running with 1 thrall even in those situations. You can easily fight both of those without the extra couple k hp. Also its better to have 2 thralls when doing the dungeons till then so theres not really a point having just 1 when 2 can do the rest better. Sure if you got 1 med thrall early game ( or the first 20 lvls) then yeah, its "better" but the instantly you can start killing Motd thralls (which is like lvl 20+), having just 1 thrall is a downgrade.
So the two thrall with complimentary weapons will always do better imo and limited experience. Especially hunting thralls and taking on masses of mobs. Get someone equipped with a stun lock or knockdown weapon and another with poison or bleed weapon. You can sunder to help out on bosses. Having two extra truncheons ko’d thralls much faster while you deal with the adds or trash.
For farming, 2 is better. I'm certain 1 is way better for boss fighting and being dependable, but having a tanky bearer with a mace and shield to get in the way and slow the enemies down while a proper warrior slays alongside him gives you a lot of breathing room while you're roaming around. Of course the chance of death is much greater so be careful when taking them places you aren't familiar with.
There are other factors to consider, of course. Two thralls will kill most things a good deal faster just because not everything can crowd control. In fact, few things can. So while Thrall One is getting knock downs from that Dogs mob with the hammer. Thrall two is punching him in the back of the head for sustained damage. There's always the cost of equipping two thralls over one. Twice the work for thralls that have much less health and are more likely to die in more situations. Where as in my own testing I've found that the single Thrall is practically invulnerable to anything but the toughest bosses in game. More so when you juice them up by wearing authority themed gear and giving them the best buffs. It's a sight to behold just how much damage that single thrall can dish out when tuned up to peak performance. Two thralls means more carry weight. If you were gathering for your clan. You could have two barer thralls and a mount to haul massive loads of resources in one go. And, as a bonus, those mobs would have huge health pools by their nature. So the loss of stats would hardly matter. You do have to feed two thralls over one. Seems like that hardly matters when gruel is so cheap. All in all it's more situational than just damage out put. It's prolly good that they're close to the same there. For my money, I'd take the single thrall authority build in to combat situations. The extra survivability on that thrall is well worth it. In testing two thralls vs a single thrall, Only the single thrall was able to kill the Arena Champion. Two thralls spent as much time on the ground as the single one and did less damage vs the Champion of the Warmaker. And while I didn't time it. It felt like it took about the same amount of time to clear the Wine Cellar with two over one. But I spent more time waiting on their health to regenerate with 2 thralls because they were taking more damage overall. I didn't test them vs Midnight Grove or Sunken City. I can't see either changing my mind that the single thrall is just generally a better combat companion. Lastly, there's always the fun aspect. I mean, they don't have to be two huge fighters with you. What about a fighter and a pet? Bring a dancer along to push corruption down while not having to sacrifice on a combat thrall. Maybe you wanna have a small pack of Panthers with you cause they're the coolest animals in game.
i do agree but theres are exceptions, 1. 2 thralls are better for Rotbranch and Rockslide 2. Rng stats, 2 thralls with 40+ damage coupled with gear melts anything faster than a single perked thrall, 2 sabres with those stats is like cheat mode 3. Corrupt build with you on abyss maul for sunder, while 2 thralls are armed with TS or TPB is also cheat mode
@@ekulerudamuru I feel ya. I'm still not super keen on the survivability trade off myself. But it's only a factor in like a hand full of situations anyway. The balance between Well Trained and War Party is pretty spot on if you ask me. Surprising considering just how badly balanced nearly all the other perk choices are. That it comes down to personal preference is a good thing in my book.
Im running a 2 thrall build, and what i see that i dont like is that they are both going in the front and kinda staying in a line, makes it harder for the back one to get in and do a attack, wish they could walk around on each side and attack, they they would get more value
I always only use 1. With 2 followers on world bosses they are very fragile (less health, armor, strength), I have lost Snowhunters, Tresure seekers and even died myself several times when they blocked my path when I needed to escape away and heal myself. Then it's much better with only 1 follower who can take a lot more beating and doesn't hinder me, even if the fight takes a little longer. And the times I'm out gathering materials I use my bearer which takes more than 2 fighter-thralls together.
@@KiyanOzdemir "that's a skill issue on your part" Yes, it can be, but in that case it goes both ways. It is a matter of taste whether you want one good or two mediocre helpers. What is better for me may be wrong for you, and what is better for you may be wrong for me. I don't believe so much in gameskill but more in playstyle, what you prefer.
did you gear up for follower damage fully on yourself? 2 thralls cant benefit from follower damage modifiers but a single thrall can. which means he can get up to %70 more damage from your gear.
The advantage of using well-trained is that your thralls/pets can also be influenced by your gear, food, and pots (for follower bonus damage). You should try it. Skelos cultist master set (if made with T4 armorer will give even more follower damage), Cooked dogfish and Tears of Gullah. The gear (if made with T4 armorer) will give +50% follower damage. The cooked dogfish will give +12% follower damage. The potion (Tears of Gullah) will give +12% follower damage. So over all, you will get +74% follower damage. That is a significant increase in damage.
Honestly your forgetting the most important part, the thralls are level 20. If they are not max level, not taking well trained they die considerably faster. I’ve lost thralls to one skulls due to how bad they are without well trained, when they are not max level
You'll want one thrall to apply sunder and the other to deal fast damage. My pick would be to use a high damage mace in the hands of one thrall and high damage daggers with an extra effect on the other. Both weapons modded with the highest damage kits of course. Armour penetration means nothing when you're applying 5 stacks of sunder. But what you're forgetting in these tests is that you, the player, are going to be involved in the fight wielding the best weapon(s) you can to combine the damage effects with your thrall(s) As player, I would most likely be the one using daggers - or a shortsword. Or switching between the two. You should run the same test again but this time fight along with your thrall(s) and see which weapon combos make the fastest work of various bosses. I'm pretty sure any combination where your team constantly applies 5 full stacks of sunder will prove the fastest. But who knows, tests can sometimes bring surprising results.
AI thralls with daggers is very very bad. They constantly backflip out of the battle. You want a fast weapon, give a agility thrall a short sword or katana, or give a strength thrall a pike or 1h sword(for bosses).
The 1 thrall is handicapped if your mot using the perk grear on yourself. I dont think 1 thrall is meant to be used without the buffs you can share with them.
It's very small chance that anyone will read my commnet but still: For weapon choice - craft The Tenderizer with named priest of yog. That's the best option.
I have been running 2 thralls since the update. Teliths Sorrow is a bad choice, as well as the club. I use Feroxic GS with one thrall and GS of Outer Dark on the other. I use Short Sword and Shield of Grey ones on my character. It's basically a whirlwind of Sunders, Poisons, and Cripples annihilating everything in their path... With me dropping bleeds on the sly, from behind. Plus, you get twice the storage, if you aren't on a farming build.... On an Expertise build, you can just load them up with food and have them destroy anything trying to get close. Can't get that much utility on a single thrall, or the meatbag zombies. I was running that combo with 2 bearer thralls, and still wreck everything... With top tier thralls and armor, the results would be even nastier.
Those weapons are siptah only, so not on option on EL. I also found Thralls with shields very annoying since they can block your attacks as well for whatever reason. Personally, for PvE I tend to run 2x Telith (or 2x Katana on Agi Thralls).
What bonuses do 2 thralls lose out on? Is it just "they don't get the +20 to each of their stats" or do they actually stop gaining other bonuses from you? (+%follower damage, etc?)
It really needs better testing and proper explanation, because according to War Party the only benefits they should lose are the loss of bonus damage from your raw Authority stat, and the opportunity cost of not getting the +20 to all stats.
If the 40% follower damage from helm of kraxus is legit, that would be a decent test.. but, my stats menu shows my follower damage% continues to go up.. if war party blocks that, it should be reflected in that menu
I think 2 thralls are just more efficient 1 can sunder the other can stack bleeds/poison for instance or vs staggerable enemies 2 thralls can pretty much never let them get a hit in. Its really preference or end build I've always felt with dungeon delving 2 works better since they can handle bigger groups instead of things being drawn to you. It really comes down to the over all build I'd say if you're going for damage as well 1 works best with a mace probably to give you sunder but if you're set up for farming 2 is better since they can keep things off and handle pretty much anything together without you're input so you can farm.
So many places tell me that two thralls are worse but I’m rocking with two thralls that have 100%+ damage bonus (combination of gear, weapons, stats/perks, and buffs) and they shred everything.
You do realize that with 2 thralls that 100% damage bonus doesn't apply(well maybe gear you have on them, but not your gear and not your stats or perks or food buffs)
Its more dependant on how u play. 1 thrall and u wear Skelos and agility weap, or 2 thralls and u wear legion and dont buff the 2. both are good, dependant on the player style. 1 thrall is easier to keep alive , or 2 thralls faster leveling for thralls. at bosses, the diference tends to be small, 2 thralls stagering and 1 doing more dmg....
I have 1 thrall and wear all heavy str dmg armor, Lian is my agrotank who dishes ridiculouss dmg with well trained and I hack enemies with battle axes from behind.. I tried the skelos/agility stuff nut I just really, really dislike the shortsword animations and really like the axe & shield animations.. I also have pretty decent dmg on my own, 208 with the predatory blade and 143 with the ancient lemurian axe.. only downside is that my carry capacity is non existent but I do harvest runs with horse & greater shaleback so its not an issue at all..
Two is easier to keep alive. Because when you Die they don't lose anything and they have each other. I lost a bunch of thralls to that on barbaric difficulty. But my two thralls have not Died yet.
Please do a test for 3 Zombies with Well Trained vs Thralls as well. IMO the best Authority build is 19 Corruption + Well Trained + 3 Zombies. The 3 zombies each hit nearly as hard as my 1 good Thrall does, while getting the benefits of numbers too. 19 Corruption makes your thralls do something like 60% more damage if you just shoot an arrow every once in a while to proc damage, and having Well Trained gives each zombie an extra 20 stats as well as benefiting from your Skeleos Master Armor giving more follower damage
Yea, but, Arena Champ and Thag WITH Wights zerging them makes a UGE difference from these tests. I tend to use non-staggerable thralls like Sabretooths because the wights won't prevent them from attacking Thag and they can interrupt Arena Champ. I lose human thralls all the time due to stagger by zerg mob.
Originally I used the Well Trained, but running with 2 Greater pets works out super well for me as they dont get staggered in most cases. The named feral dogs on siptah are great running 2 of them
I think it also has to do whit the terrain, like for example in this video, the single thralls can hit everytime the boss, where 2 thralls, one is at time not getting in range, becuse the other one is in it´s way, can se that on the scorpion boss, where one thrall can get to the boss at all times, but when 2 one is little bit behind waiting to get in range, but can not due to the rockformation beeing in the way.
Is there any reason to use Telith's on the single thrall opposed to an obsidian mace? I find my thralls have done much better with the 1h mace instead of the 2h sword.
Thank FireSpark!! I asked for this test in your last video, no idea if that was just coincidence. Good to know the results are pretty similar... and I hadn't though of the leveling bonus when using 2. I was wondering if 2 unbuffed thralls would be a bit weak. gonna have some fun finding interesting weapon combos and seeing just how many debuffs i can stack onto a target. Might have a go with pets too. Thinking a greater sabretooth and a greater wolf.... the single, buffed sabretooth is much fun!!!
This is interesting but when you need to help your thrall in a tough fight like the Arena champion what is better? In this case I feel one thrall is better because if she locks in on one of your low health thralls it could be game over quickly. Testing with you helping in general would be cool as the power difference narrows at that point.
assuming you wore companion gear in this vid, I'd say using 2 thralls is superior since it frees up tons of armor/buff slots for yourself... you're not pigeonholed into wearing/using companion gear.
@Alpha Momentum right, but the gear affects the 1 thrall setup and not the 2. So if 1-pet (with player char fully companion geared) does what we saw here and is comparable to 2-pet, then 2-pet is the clear winner imo since you can wear whatever you want and use whatever potions you want with 2-pet.
Mmmhhh I'd say for my character build one thrall is better... I have all the armor except the boots that boost the thrall damage, my stats are on vitality and I feel balanced that way... I love to use the thrall but I usually fight with him, I give him a mace so apply sunder on enemies while I apply poison and bleed (I use festering one) in this configuration I don't have many problems with bosses, thrall is strong enough to face solo the enemies and sustain enough damage too, give him support and eventually give him help in the battle that's the way I like to play exiles. Two thralls looks fun but you have to "sacrifice" levels in attributes that are useful somewhere else.
What about for leveling thralls? I always run around with a mid level and a low level thrall so they can still take everything and by the time the mid level thrall is maxed the other one is mid and I can repeat the cycle.
In the desert, I notice Rocknoses give a lot of XP and don't do a lot of damage to you. In the jungle those gorilla human hybrids give a lot of XP and are very easy to kill, although their gorilla ancestors drop some heavy hide so I'd just wander around to kill both.
did some testing. pulled Cimmerian Berserkers and Zombied them up. they can solo anything. i ran around in purple pants and nice boots while they took over the world. Females seem to have higher stats. my three favorite zombies all had 1000 extra hp than the others and where all females. noticed the keep pile consisted ov mostly females with one or three males that had exeptional str and/grit
When you say taking War Party negates any other benefits of the Authority branch, does that include the perk for added thrall healing? Am wondering because it seems the thralls still heal up faster after fights than the one did before the healing perk.
No they get the healing bonus. What they don’t get is your generic +80% follower damage from having points in authority. They still benefit from the perks.
I wonder how a fighter + archer would work in the 2 thralls combo so that you get rid of the AI that sometimes start to stumble over each other when both go for melee.
I like having two thralls because I like to level them both at once. With yellow lotus potion being buggy, I prefer to avoid respeccing, so I make the two thralls system work.
The real test is Thrag with his mob of Wights and the Arena Champ. I lost strong thralls to these two because human thralls stagger and Thrag mechanics will perma stagger them to death and Arena Champ combos for high damage. I use Sabertooths for these two as they ignore more stagger and can focus a target and can interrupt arena champ from her combos.
I put armor penetration on everything. What's the point of having a high damage weapon if none of that damage is getting through! It's not a question it's a exclamation
Armor pen is good when the enemy has armor, armor pen is useless when the enemy has little to no armor, a balanced option should always be better for all scenarios
@@BahamutEx Well there isnt really a point to carrying multiple weapons just to kill target x max 10 seconds faster is there? If you are running with 2 thralls, just give em good 2h swords and use mace when fighting skeletons etc and daggers when they can be bleeded/poisoned if you really want to min max.
Again I think some of this is going to rely on preference and play style for general game play. I also think for specific purpose there are too many variables and scenarios to test. Running against a mob of enemies may yield very different results between 1 or 2 (or 3 and 4). Running a corruption build with the Flesh Bond Perk might make it a better choice of 1 with status effects.
When you do further testing with the 2 thrall build, would you look into what thrall damage buffs still work with the war party perk. Seems the benefits from armor don't buff them but do potions or others still work
Something that would effect the results, is that when you have one thrall your armour, food and potions effect the thrall. When you have two it doesn’t 🙃
I'm still a little confused on the wording of the two thrall perk. So, the two thralls get no benefit at all from your authority stats, but do they still get bonus damage from your armor?
No if u have War Party perk chosen. You the players armor doesn't buff the thralls. But their armor they are wearing still buffs them of course otherwise why give them armor of ur just wasting materials. The Well Trained perk gives back Your armor buff to the thrall plus the +20 to all stats as well. But I just don't see how 1 is better than 2. Either way it matters how u level and equip the thralls as to whether or not they will do good
You should test 2 pets vs 1 pet as well. Compare those two options vs the Thrall options. As far as I'm concerned, well trained benefits a pet far more than it does a thrall.
Some thralls get more out of the 20 to all stats than others. For example berserker gets 35 health per vig, and 0.4% more damage per str and agi. Yoggite fighter 3 gets 49.25 health per vig, and 0.8% damage. Alpha stag gets like 400hp per vig. Of course berserker has better multiplier and base stats, but i think theres some fighters from the purge who have medium base stats and high multipliers which look like they would be better as a single fighter than the zerker. In the end though i think the video is right and it doesnt matter that much.
From my experience, for really beefy bosses, it's better to have one sold thrall (more survivability). For bosses that do not have that much crowd control, and for general clearing of camps / locations with multiple enemies the two good thralls will be better, especially with solid gear.
Yeah, that's a principal I learned eons ago in an old strategy game. As long as your units are repairable (if they survive) fewer beefier units will avoid a fair amount of attrition over time. At least in close fights. But it depends on many finer details of game balance. Enemy use of AoE damage attacks can really shift things to favor fewer beefier units. The elephant in the room though: the single-thrall perk is ALSO affected by your character's gear, food, & potion bonuses. Also 2 thralls cost twice as much to equip, and take longer to level.
@@kathrynck you can level both at the same time, and I think the XP is doled out to each thrall when you or they kill something. So I don't think it takes longer to level them. Having the two thrall perk may actually be a good way to train up an mini army of thralls quicker. The gear - you should be able to afford it. If you don't - you are doing something wrong :) But I 100% agree on the extra stat boost that a single thrall can get - that could make a considerable difference in a really tough fight.
As I understand it, damage from Skelos Cultist armor, and other +to follower damage food/potions/etc don't work with War Party, did you account for this in your test?
Hey FireSpark, There is definitely a big question left in your video. What is when you choose to boost the single thrall and then use the full Zombie Party + Abysal Demon? Do they get boosted as well? Could be probably a killer combo🤔
The video ended before I finished my comment and for some reason it got posted to a completely different video. I have a QUESTION and I am willing to accept any ridicule. I knocked someone out, dragged him home, gave him tasty food, and now he is an item. My only options are drop it as a loot bag or keep carrying/store the item. Is my game broke or is it I just suck at games?
@Crimsonz thanks! It worked. My thrall died in a pointless fight with a merchant after 2 minutes of working for me, but at least now I know how to place them.😁 I'm still calling it a win
two maces are usually better than two 2H swords. EDIT: 2 thralls might be better for Rotbranch and Rockslide because a single thrall tends to end up swinging at air when directly in front of those bosses.
I'm playing around with this right now, I have a Freya with venom infused daggers and a Lian with a great axe of the north. They're not quite leveled yet but seems to be a good combination.
@@at930pmgames Lian has a Melee Damage Multiplier of 1.933 and Accuracy Damage Multiplier of 1.925. Freya has a Melee Multiplier of 1.4 and Accuracy Multiplier of 2.205. So I was thinking she should do more damage with agility weapons than he will with the strength weapons. What I want to try is give Lian the Festering One to get my bleed and poison combo up and give Freya a better damage weapon. Even though it's only .27 difference between her accuracy and his strength damage a weapon with 50 damage (for easy math) would be 13 extra damage per hit. At this point it's a theory but that's my thinking.
@FireSpark81 We'd like you to consider +Follower Damage armor/potion/food for your own player character as well. There's still a question hanging, if it's true that War Party doesn't benefit from _any_ player statistics rather than just not benefitting from the Authority attribute's contribution alone. I think we the players would like this question settled. Sadly, I don't have the knowledge, nor setup, nor familiarity with the admin functions to answer this for myself. Could you make that happen?
Yeah, I noticed that too. His test seemed a bit biased towards the two-thrall setup. He utilized the benefit of two thralls through varied weapon optimization, but never utilized the advantage of the one thrall setup by optimizing follower damage buffs on his own character. Personally, I feel Well Trained is the way to go, especially if you are utilizing zombies, since you can have three, all get the well-trained buff and benefit from your gear. I feel a 4th zombie that strips all those other benefits from the other three wouldn't be that impressive.
@@TemplarsCreed possibly when I made that post, but not now. They've nerfed zombies pretty hard since they were first introduced. Also, training thralls only takes a fraction of the time now, so the advantage that you just need to throw three people in a grave and cast a couple of spells rather than waiting hours for the wheel of pain to finish isn't the time saver it once was. I still stand by using Well Trained over War Party though.
@@HavartiCamembertOk thanks. Glad you replied because I was about to revert to zombies lol. I've chosen War Party because my Berserkers are well equipped, armed and have huge attributes standard. I also have a hostile clan near me on PVE-C server so as a solo player I feel I need that extra thrall for larger human group encounters. Might respec though if I feel they lose too much in stats
Assuming the devs did their job properly (which is never a guaranty I agree...), the result was kind of obvious. Both have pros and cons, I personally prefer one thrall for leveling since without any good gear he can still tank a pretty stronger boss than expected where with two thralls at least one will die if not both at a close interval and you're next ^^ I stick with one thrall at endgame because I find it's a lot more efficient with the crappy AI, two thralls more often hinder each other and are half of the time not helpful at all. In the other hand having two is really nice for inventory space or having two thralls or pets with different purposes.
Also did you try testing with the + follower damage gear to see if that makes a difference for a single thrall over multiple? From what I understand the 2 thrall perk also removes +follower damage items from effecting them.
No it was only the damage the thralls can put out but thats a good point. You could boost the thralls quite a bit with armor and buffs. This would probably bring it even closer to the 2 thralls.
I didn't like dual thralls, especially at lower levels they just kept dying on bigger pulls, and stuff (and this is them with pretty low tier weapons and armor) but didn't have that issue at all with a single.
I use one thrall with reinforced skelos armour for the extra 46% damage. But if you have two thralls I was thinking they don't get the benefits of the 46% damage. Because it said attributes from your character is not used when you use the two thrall perk.
Did you do anything like this with your involvement as a combattant? Your CC/DPS might change the results significantly. What about something like the Arena Champ... 2 thralls fighting 2v1 would get throttled. But... 2v1 with you involved is an almost guaranteed victory. I'm looking forward to you testing with diff. weap sets. Great video!
I would personally like to see what its like to have the two thralls sent into new asgarth and see what happens...will they be able to solo clear that many mobs or will stagger get the best of them? Is 1 better for this kind of fight since it can have more stats and be stronger w/ more hp?
I believe is a matter of which map is being played, and which mods are being used. In Siptah, is much easier to get high tier thralls and pets, Brutus and the Accursed berserker are clear examples of this; which, when coupled with the options for special gear, makes it very viable to use two companions. In the Exile lands, getting a good companion is really difficult, especially at early levels, which when compounded with how difficult it is to get good gear, makes it more appealing to have one good powerful companion. On an unrelated note, has anyone tested the Abyssal Hounds yet? I found that they actually have not the same stats as the hyenas used in their creation. The Hounds are not game breaking, mind you, but make the best starter pet by a landslide!
Its really not difficult at all to get top tier thrall pretty early on.. first, grab any of the one skull named fighters dotted around noob river, slap tha barachan reiver heavy armor and iron mace on them and they are a beast for the time, with them you can easily go get beastmaster teimos or lian and then you are set for the rest of the game.. just did this with my most recent playthrough I started few days ago..
Alternate proposal to Reptilian, at early levels you can grab a decent thrall, give them a truncheon, and run into the Wine Cellar. It's risky and you should bring good armour and healing items, but you can fairly consistently KO the guaranteed treasure hunter fighter at the start of the dungeon.
@@AGrumpyPanda yeah you can try that but go in there roo early and make one wrong move and szeth will end you in an instant and after that you have to face two relic hunters so again, one wrong move and you die in an instant, in comparison, lian is so, so very much easier to get, starts with 30 in str so from rhe get go he hits harder than those two relic hunters combined and in heavy armor is nigh unkillable.. my lian now has just 6k health but, thats more than enough when the only thing in the game capable of denting his health bar is the arena champion..
@@elitereptilian200 In the Exiled Lands I favor starting the first base by the Dredger's Dungeon, grind levels by building a small base and getting Hyenas(turned into Abyssal Hounds), and then fishing for a Dancer, a Bowmaker, and maybe a Brute before doing the dungeon and then moving to the Summoning Place. By the Summoning Place I can reliably fish for Thugra to turn into zombies, which with Well Trained allows me to explore most of the map.
@@Magnus9284 by the time you level up sorcery to get the zombies you could already have a at least close to max level lian and with well trained there is nothing in the game that can stop him.. I liked the zombies, they are really powerful with well trained but I just can't stand the clutter and constant body blocking, funcom should make it so that you can move through your followers unhindered,I mean the game is so broken that immersion is shattered every few seconds by some bug or glitch so allowing us to move through our followers wouldn't really break immersion any more than it is currently..
Is it the Voidforge Katana? If so, it has the effect Blood-Drinker, which continuously drains durability while unsheathed. Haven't tried it myself, but it makes sense that it would work for thralls too.
