Beastmaster Teimos: "I was working with my animals one day and by Crom I blinked and all of a sudden I was in a strange barn with a bunch of other people who look to be me. We all stared at each other confused. This woman would come up to us and tell us to say. She force fed me and others and wouldn't stop while she let others starve. I saw her make another person who looked like me appear than she investigated him and he was so confused, but then she killed him with a stare. We all grew quiet and began to pray to Mitra this would end. I do not know from what world or alternate realities these brothers of mine were from, but I could see they were all afraid just like me."
@FireSpark81 the ironic part about this video is that the food buff you gave them is +14% chance of Vit and after all the testing, your food group gained 4 more points in Vit (on average), which was a growth of 14%. You went on to ask if it was worth it because it was only 4 points but 14% is 14%. No one expected it to be greater than that, did we? =P
Nope this is bs, as I went unamed City with my dalinsia today and her strength starts on 15 but I got her to level 20 with her strength sitting at 51 not including perks thats 36 points she gained, thats almost 2 points each level....
So using the higher grade cooked food pictured on their inventory table, gruel to improved gruel, roast haunch to exotic feast… They don’t give higher than 14% do they?
Good one FS, I congrat you on the scientific approach you took. As for is it worth it, to go through the hurdle of levelling them slowly, feeding them almost one food at a time, I would say a middle road approach is to give them a bunch of food once they are past a certain level, because it will also let them regenerate HPs, in a tough fight it can make the difference between losing the thrall (or the fight) or keeping him/her. The unnamed thralls could probably be considered 'nobodies' and that's it. But for a few selected ones, might be worth the pain. Also if you don't consider health regen and only the buff to stats, gruel is not that bad, so a stack of 100 to each thrall can do the trick. Last, you might want to check which foods are giving a bonus to damages etc., I believe there is a whole study to do on this point :)
This is how everyone I know levels thralls. Do you find people who don't know this? I dont take food in and out though, too much trouble. Just put it in and leave it. The only thralls I use are teimos and relic hunters. Because duh, they are the best and very ez to collect. So this is the absolute fastest way to level them up. 1) Take fresh thrall and put them down, put on good armor and weapon then fill their inventory with steak if you want them more vitality, gruel if you want them more strenth. Personally I always use gruel because they DONT need the extra vitality. 2) Have them follow and go to the Midnight Grove. Do a quick runthrough, takes 20 mins to finish tops. You inevitably fight ez creatures to start and your thrall will take damage so they wont miss eating for a level before you get to any bosses. ITS THAT EZ By the time you get out with a fresh relic hunter he will be level 9-11. The Beastmaster will be level 12-14 usually, they level much faster. At this point you can take them anywhere you like. I've taken them straight from this point to do wine cellar which is probably the hardest place for a thrall as the bosses do SO MUCH damage to them and they have no problem finishing this dungeon. At this point its impossible for them to get enough XP from a boss kill even to skip a level. After wine cellar I'll go hit Warmakers for a quickly 10 min run through, and then roam around the unnamed city to finish them off. All in all you can easily level up a fresh thrall from 0 - 20 in a couple or three hours.
@@Firespark81 a day without a Sparky CE vid is a day without sunshine. Or not, cause its raining right now and looks like the Mounds of the Dead, so WTF.
What's actually more important is the initial % of the Stat Increasing, if it starts at 48% then the 14% only takes it to 62%, I normally use those as basic base guards and take them to L10, if its a Thrall I wanna get to L20, I only use Thralls with 70% + in Vitality. You notice in the Group where you fed them the ones in the mid 30's mostly started at 70% +
Impressive info. Super detailed. I always thought I was insane cause I do excel sheet charts on most games I play to get the most I can out of all details, Seeing someone else do it was very gratifying. Lost of details I had no idea about. you just earned yourself a new sub.
i feed all my pets/thralls before i take em out training and i do exactly what you said Fire, i start with low lvl threats and work up to the more powerful feeding after each lvl. glad im doing it right for best results :D
You don't have to check whether the thrall is eating every single level, if they are getting damaged they are eating, you can see if they are eating with the plus sign over the stat bar. At low levels, hit them every time after leveling when you don't see the plus sign, because if you have them equipped with good armor and weapon, they might kill before taking damage. Also, do the same with your mount, after they level, get off the mount and hit it, just make sure nobody is looking so they don't call Peta.
for those thinking about if its worth it or not a 4 points difference, i have WoW experience here... this makes me remember ppl that are in hardcore guilds doing Mythic content, u always have to bring flask or elixirs to increase your stats, and ive meet a lot of ppl that says its only 50 more strenght it wont matter... well in fact even if its a little ammount its extra damage, even 1 point difference is 1 point you didnt had before, so dont worry about it being 4 points difference, if it were a higher ammount anyways, that would make thralls even more insane... at leaste its a 4 points difference that your enemy might not have, and thats still an advantage, of course if we are working on high quality thralls
Except for the "starting all with the same stat doesn't matter when we want to find the difference" part. I get what he means, but for what he wants to test here, it does matter.
This DOES matter, especially consider the thralls who get a massive HP boost per each point of VIT. It's still a gamble, but even a 4 point difference can mean hundreds or thousands of hit points on the right thrall. And if you WIN that gamble, you can end up with a Teimos who has tens of thousands of HP. That's worth the time and effort, especially given how easy he is to get.
true , the same can be said on a relic hunter which usually have a poor STR on start same for vit . and yeah 4 points is a deal especially if u get poor perks . Anyway most of us level their thralls like that . Useful tips are always useful , now we know what we get by training as efficently as possible our thralls . I'd say that everybit of stats does matter in a long run, just my opinion on this we can argue bout that ofc .
I've always fed them after every lv up, especially if the stat growth chance was under 90%, for that very reason. It's nice to see that someone took the time to do the science. It's not a big difference but I think every point, even just a few more, can have a big impact. You never know.
I think it's still worth to use food when leveling. It's only a "problem" for admin console users that just want to "level up to 20" and be done with it. When you don't have admin console, then leveling thralls is a long process. And you most likely will have some sort of food on your thrall anyway, so It doesn't take that much extra effort to force-feed them a steak or gruel once or twice on low levels.
A 4 point increase from 24 is 16.6% or very close to the 14% increase indicated on the thrall status page. I'm too lazy to do all the math, but I suspect that it is well within the expected range given the low level of statistical significance you are getting with only 20 samples. TLDR: The size of the increase in vitality you saw from giving them grilled steak every time is pretty much just what it should be, about 14%.
For a long time, I did steak with thralls that had less than a 70% chance in Vit. Yes, feeding them every time they leveled up, because I found that they'd lose their food buff so often. The downside to steak is it's a slow healing food, so it takes a long time for thralls to get their hp back if they get hurt of have a Vit jump. At some point, I just went with gruel, since the fast/cheap healing ended up being as worthwhile as a few extra hp, in the end. And on the Siptah thralls, strength actually helps them do more damage (they need all the help they can get).
thanks for the informative and entertaining content, when it comes to getting the best out of a build i always look for your vids first thanks again for the great content
What i do as a PvE boy is getting Lian in the conan lands, select only 85% growth in str, going full gruel in and out between each lvl when the +14% doesn't show (because you don't know if it's a bug or not well it's conan) and hope they go for 60-70+ str. Start lvling with low monsters like turtles, then after lvl 5 it's time to spam the unamed city skulls. Lians are T2 for lvling so it's quite done in few hours In siptah i just go with northmen and do the same process
If you have more than one stack of food in your Thrall's inventory then taking all the food out and putting it all back in, will lead to losing one food item of each stack. A good workaround to avoid waste is to move just one of the stacks to a free slot in the inventory to get the +% growth chance buff back.
Ive been playing alot. And no cheats just leveling Normal but darn does it take long time to level them up. The first 10 goes by kinda fast but the next twn takes forever. So it sucs when i lost 2 level 20 Thralls. Both times i died and for some reason they stood there and got mangled. I ran as fast as possible and my last thrall was standing in the middle of the Dregg Cannibals just getting destroyed not fighting back? When im alive the could wipe them all out alone. Anyways i just keep food on them at all times. Mainly enhanced Groul and hoping it makes a difference but haven't played long enough to tell. You would think the better the food the better the stats but i guess that's not so. Thanks for all the info. You put lots of time in making these videos.
Every little bit counts in Conan. Especially on official pvp servers. I personally level strength on my thralls but 14% higher on any stat that you are leveling is worth it. Makes it really worth it when you get that god roll thrall with tons of the stat you are shooting for.
All this is well and good, but RNG made a Bearer III of mine end up having over 11k health. No idea how it happened, but her stats make all my named thralls look weak and she is a pack mule too. Her vitality growth is 34 or 39%, but it seemed like she got it every level.
To get yer thrall to eat between each level you can remove/equip a HP boosting armor to make them want to heal, or you can wait an hour for their damage buff to expire to make them want to renew the damage buff from food.
Probably worth mentioning that this is the same for pets. The food is different, but the boost/effect is the same. At least in my experience of training horses.
Thralls should level passively as well. No, not that they gain an x amount of xp/h but that they get experience for every fight they take a part in. Sure, a non-follower /guardian thrall should get reduced xp, but the thrall should get at least some xp. As it is now, thrall-leveling is tedious and hardly worth it. I'd even argue that it should be easier to level up an exile t1 thrall than a relic hunter t1. So, with each tier of thrall they level slower, but you'd also gain more out of it in the end, so while an exile thrall levels the fastest, this thrall could never be best, but let's say can end up at best in the low-mid section, having better results with each increase in faction. This way you would still "upgrade" your thralls, but even early thralls would have somewhat of a place.
Don't even try any more. Especially when it is so unreliable with so little benefit as you discovered. But also because a single bad perk can ruin all the time you've invested in leveling a thrall.
I always take the time to feed thralls after each lvl up and when first placing them, and will continue to do so. A 4 point difference does not sound alot, but in my opinion still worth the effort. That and praying to holy Set they don't get a thrall breaking perk lol. Great video thanks for the upload
Meh, just going to keep throwing gruel on them and hope for the best. Maybe I'll do your method for a Dalinsia or Lian but it just seems like too much effort for such little gain.
Yeah as he said himself in most cases if they take any damage they will eat anyway. For the first 1-3 levelups you can also just move the Gruel to another spot within their inventory to make sure.
After they level I just smack them with my pick a couple times and then they eat that's the fastest way I found to make sure they eat after every level
Hmmmm.... I have generally had the policy to add food for Stats for which the Thralls chance is low, expecially Vitality and Agility (sometimes also Survival). I think that generally you want a Value above 10 for Agility and Survival and between 15 and 25 for Vitality. I usually start off killing Crocs.
Best you could possibly have for a good thrall is every single bonus going towards strength. With decent armor vitality, agility, none of that is an issue. So the only thing that matters is how fast they can kill things and thats all in strength. For example I give my thralls silent legion armor and a telith's sorrow, pack them full of gruel and send them to work. When I hit level 10 I check their perk. If its not strength or at least health, i strip their armor, kill them, and drop a fresh thrall. If they get any archery or survival perks same thing.
Statistically speaking as a rule, the lower the base chance the more impact the eating the food will have. Obviously, with it only being 20 levels the variance may not even be noticeable. However +14% chance matters way more if the base chance is say 36% than if the base chance is 72%
Hey Firespark81! I'm doing my first series of videos on RU-vid ..Barbaric difficulty nomadic playthrough (no crafting or building) and I followed your video (easy levelling) buying the Thrall in flotsam for 100coin. My goal is to remove the bracelet without dying once or my thrall dying. I want my thrall with as much Vitality as possible....so every level up counts then...interesting...
@FireSpark81 Question : Conan Exiles have you done a video on the Minion Damage Taken Modifier and Minion Damage Modifier I was told both those settings have been disabled since 2017
This makes so much sense. I was wondering why sometimes when I looked at my thralls stats that I didn't see the buff even though they had food. I thought it was a glitch.
I can't help to wonder if other foods will give better perks. You think better food would. I tried putting enhanced gruel in the wheel of pain, thinking in a way like more protein the stronger the thrall. Imagine Arnold being feed grass or enhanced Gruel while he was on the wheel of pain, of course the enhanced would make him way stronger. Guess i putting to much reality in it lol. Didnt work that way though. Wish i had a Pc because doing these test are so much easier. I guess the better foods are only good after leveling a thrall to 20 for the health bonuses.
You can force feed them like you would to give them the sated buff to heal after a fight. I've also noticed that occasionally, that old bug where they will not eat no matter what (even when hurt) can appear and you have to remove the food from their inventory and add it back in -_-
Took you a while to do this one man. I did my own tests like this when levelling thrallls first came out. Have a few runs where I levels them and take advantage of the food. I even hit my own thrallls to make them eat to get the bonus. Just didn't want my meticulous system let out of the bag.. 😉
Not meaning to make this sound like an insult because I know your love for spreadsheets, but I think Funcom kept that food buff that low to keep the game fun and to keep folks from playing "spreadsheets with swords" and also to trim down the previous problem of thralls being the bigger heroes than the pcs.
I normally feed them one type of food and switch in between them one at time after each level no matter if its gruel or grilled steaks then I use healing arrows on your thrall give back to full health. Does the cook pork rings still work because I give that to with gruel.?
So food variety no longer makes a difference in thrall progression?? Generally confused. Was doing the exotic shellfish and gruel combo but hear thats absolete after the update that came with siptah
The diet shown gives them better healing values as it moves across the table listed on the thrall. Each type of food gives a different type of "chance" bonus buff (some is no buff) for the type of stat that you want the thrall to gain points in. That is not a guarantee it will get those points, just a percentage buff. Food recipes matter more for your sated buff or level 20 thralls. Meals typically give better HPS regen than steaks or just berries. He was using steak because it gives the VIT buff he wanted. If you want them to have some other stat buff feed them other foods and check the stats. You can force feed them food, sigils and potions (not wraps) by using it while the item is in their inventory.
Makes the difference if the result is 28 or 34, because the 30+ gives the thrall a perk that the 28 will not give. Thralls get the same perks that the player so it's important to know that 29 and 30 has a big difference even when is just a +1. Also right now with the new attributes and perks, with +20 on authority and the thrall benefit of the 1st 20th authority's perk he will take a nice boost on the attributes, if you have 20 on strenght he will gain +20 on strenght too.
I actually went deeper with this, though. I leveled 18 iterations of the same thrall, by hand, and saw what happened. With the following additional conditions thrown in. Each time they were about to hit level 10, 15 and 20, I made them fight world bosses, or rather, finish them off. The result is that if your thrall kills a world boss, s/he has a much greater chance to get, say, redeemed (+10 vitality) instead of guardian (-5 str/+8 accuracy). If you have them fight a bunch of 1-skull minibosses along the way, the chances of getting 'good' bonuses goes up even more. I'm not crazy enough to do this with x1 exp, though, so each thrall took about 10 minutes.
Ever since the thrall leveling system came out and you did a video about the correct way to feed them ive been doing it the right way ever since and my thralls have always been fukn better than others in so many raids or fights lol And That was like a year ago lol
Idk if it matters that much as long as they dont die and you just keep food on them because the potion that rerolls thier stats can make all the difference. I had a bearer 3 that ended with around maybe 7k hp feeding them a mix between steak and gruel then just used the potions until i ended up with like 14k hp
@Firespark81 are you sure the bonuses are completely random? I have not used a control group, but it seems as though if thralls are fed specific foods the bonuses they get are usually related to the stat I'm aiming for. Like, it might not always be the best vitality bonus they could get, but would have something to do with it.
Every tame has a list of foods that gives em bonuses. Its up on the wiki if you wana look it up but for example the reaper queen gets 14% from exquisite meat but 14%vit from savory meat. Also human is 7% agility and 7% vit
You're 100% right. They're not that random. Only partially. I've been doing this since I started this game and have consistently noted that you can directly affect the types of perks you're going to get. You obviously can't determine the exact ones. So that's random, but you can gauge if you're working toward your vitality perk, or if you're causing your thralls to get perseverance too often, or agility perks, etc. You can affect those, by helping certain stats reach certain thresholds in time, and not over level or be under leveled too far above/behind other stats. It's also noticable that Accuracy and partially vitality don't affect that threshold above/below thing though for some reason. Although You can tell if you get vit perks as a potential outcome or not, and you can tell if you might get archery stuff, which that stat seems to correlate somehow to relatively even stats with too high STR, or overly low Agility when the Acc is below or at 9/10. Etc. So it's not that random.
when i level a new thrall i make sure to only attack very low level mobs like baby shale backs and regular shalebacks. the worst part is because its a % chance, even feeding them can fail to get a high stat score.
I've been using gruel and thought the same thing, so I started taking food out sliding it into another inventory as I go witch did until I get them to lv 10.
I’ve been doing this all along. I’m glad you confirmed what I was doing to be correct. I do wonder if the rate of leveling impacts the Perks though. I tend to speed level them with the Ice Giants. Clan mates have leveled with lower hp and had better results with perks...coincidental or not?
So ik its a bit late and it wouldnt make sense to post this on a not conan video but my thrall has an 85% vit growth and hes getting 2 per level... is there a separate growth leveler thats hidden? Hes lvl 3 and gained 5 vit already
I don’t believe that you can put them on the station after you have set them out to level them up. I think they have to go right from the wheel to your inventory to the station they are going to work on.
I've been doing this for a long time anyway, noticed if you didn't remove food that the percentage to gain wasn't there after a level up, so I started removing food and re-feeding.
Yeah, I think most people already knew this, but I'm not sure if anyone created a video about it and explaining it in detail, so the video still serves a purpose, but the title of the video is a tad presumptious. I take that back, not the title of the video, but the giant warning on the video thumbnail, which is what I noticed, not the title of the video.
These is one thing that bothers me... Does each attribute has a separate chance to raise while lvl up? Is it limited to for example to 3 of them to raise or can all of them raise during one lvl up?
They call all be raised each level, but depending on the food, a specific stat or two will have a higher chance of leveling that specific stat. Like Gruel gives a 14% increase chance of leveling strength, the meaty feast gives a 7 % to both vitality and strength. Just go into single player access admin spawn a couple in and feed them their foods and see what percent increases you get
The video I needed since ever. Pretty much useless effort in food selection, if try to trade rng per rng, best to option max regen possible instead. As it pretty much perk rng waaaaaaaay far better bonus results than food.
Am I missing something? If I'm raiding dungeons with my thrall and she has food and we're leveling up and taking damage in between, won't the thrall eat up and get points the same rate? Eat and be merry right? Or is this for admin leveling?
You missed one point. The buff is not the same according to the food and it seems you can choose the stats you want them to improve even if you need luck to get the best bonuses.
@@SoulStyx You can't choose the stats but you can give more chances to increase the stats you want according to what you give your NPC to heat for healing. If you give them gruel, they will get 7% more chance to increase their strengh and vitality when they level up. If you give them anything else in the diet list, they will get chances to increase other stats. It works pretty well because when they are finally at max, it's possible for them to get at least 5 point more in their stats which is a pretty huge difference.
@@wraithrunner2355 This video is not meant to explain the basics of which food boosts which stat, u can find that out quickly by going on the wiki page for thralls. The video is only here to show how impactful it is to feed them vs not feed them
Why wouldn't it be worth it? It's basically feeding them either gruel or some meat while they level up, depending what buff you want them to have. It's not time consuming, difficult or otherwise problematic, just throw in a certain food and you are good to go.
If it's a berserker, their HP gain is a bit trash, so maybe it doesn't matter. If it's a Thugra, Deidre/Frigga, or Teimos, that's potentially hundreds of HP left on the table for a few points in VIT.
what you didn't say is if you started with a high percent and fed them the result is 33 and if you started low it was as low as 17 THAT is a big difference.
Sooo much time an effort im happy you did this must have took a fair enough of time much appreciated. Can thralls get bonuses to there professions for leveling up?? Or can you not use them in that way if you do (smithy, alchemist)
@@SnowJ-1001 lol thats basically what he talked about this entire video. it does matter. you need to level up 1 level at a time. if you go from 1 to 3 it will not work.
