This really speaks to the technology a shop can play with.. this was quite literally impossible stuff 25 years ago.. (well without a building full of engineers).. This is really impressive.. Your inhouse machine skills are amazing..
"Your in-house machine skills are amazing". I think you'll find that the billet block, as well as other components, were manufactured by Dallas Performance which he mentions at 1:04. SME does a lot of wonderful things however don't be fooled when he says things like at 1:20 "I'm developing and working on the carbon fiber rod". That statement is simply not true. He might have reached out to a specialist composite manufacturer to take on such a project but that's about as close as it gets.
I'm thoroughly impressed how your so open to showing your builds and all the technology that goes into each one. Most builders don't show 1/4 of what you do. thank you!!
@Underground Racing Lamborghini simply stated facts. why the fuck would you use something a company like Mercedes doesn't utilize it, whos spends hundreds of millions on engine programs for their formula one engine package. theirs a reason f1 is the pinnacle in motorsport bud
@@fastballfilms4214 F1 is the pinnacle for that specific situation yes, but apart from that they are built for very different things than this engine they are also VERY heavily regulated. One limitation is that they are NOT allowed to use any carbon composite materials for block, head or pistons. I'm sure they'd love to, but they can't. Maybe read up a bit about your apparently favorite racing class before talking nonsense.
Steve absolutely amazes me Next thing up this is the head off of the new space shuttle We Just did a few modifications to improve airflow and fuel efficiency 😆LOL your the man Steve
I've worked with carbon fiber in the past and from my experiences it didn't matter if it was stranded, forged, or roving ....none of it likes heat. So I'm really curious to see how you remedy this. Awesome work as usual Steve 👍👍
Yeah carbon fiber rods seem to be more about marketing hype. Several shops have been dabbling with the idea but they never make it out. I wouldn't trust the fatigue life personally. Basically impossible to get the carbon layup just right and ensure the resins are in right proportion etc etc. And heat lol that's a whole other ball game. Literally better off messing with exotic metals than carbon for a rod.
Just the other day I was day dreaming that someone needed to get steve to build a lambo motor ... now can someone else finance the putting of 2 of these motors in a boat and bringing lambo back to boat racing and complete the daydream
This is so cool STEVE all the hard work you put onto these engines to transform them into super high performance Monsters engines going were no man has ever went before. keep upo the good work GODSPEED STEVE STAY SAFE
@@jakefriesenjake V10 is the best sounding engines. V12 sounds good too but nothing sounds like a v10 it's a completely unique high pitched scream of a sound.
I know right..!!?? He’s the fucking man. “Certain”people really excel at “certain” things in life. I feel bad for saying it this way .... cause he has been more important to our sport than we realize...... but I’m sure he would NOT have ever been an Olympic hopeful for the long jump ..... just the same as I wouldn’t expect that Mike Tyson side stepped a potential career in sales to pursue boxing. Bottom fucking line is this.... Steve Morris (in my humble opinion) is doing, not only what he is good at, but.... what he is meant to do
@@Mr.Potato420 keep the lambo and nail the gold diggers in the passenger seat, kick em out when you're done and go right to sleep. Don't even have to drive the car much. Park near a beach and it will be like catching monster bass with a live scan radar. Just too easy to be true so people sell the car and give up the free rides after meeting new female friends.
Is there something in particular as to why this only has a little over 20psi of oil pressure at nearly 10k? I'm not doubting you at all, just assuming these don't require much oil pressure by design?
I'm thinking it the read out wasn't in PSI, because my eye caught the exact same thing. I'm betting the oil pressure was reading in bar (14.7 PSI - 1 bar). That would at least make more sense.
Man that is friggen awesome! The money that's on these dynos in your shop has to have to sweating bullets during a runs lol. Shows you know your stuff brother. Keep up the good, work I love it!
I want to know how you are pulling off the carbon fiber connecting rods. Having industry and engineering knowledge on the processes of manufacturing with that material, I have given this a LOT of thought and the problem always comes back to the compression forces. Carbon Fiber is GREAT in tension, but you are relying totally on the matrix during compression (think pushing a rope). Of course there are some exotic ways to manufacture things, such as "3D weaving"...basically sewing through the material stack-up so you have carbon holding the layers together. Also, what are you doing to protect the actual part? The oil and all will attack the matrix, reducing part durability over time. Plus, you get NONE of the cushioning you get from aluminum or even titanium rods, so I'd think that ANY rattling would EAT the bearings. Another bad thing is that if one lets go, there will be TONS of tiny carbon particles that will get all in the engine and wipe ALL of the bearings out. Basically it will trash the entire engine, even if it doesn't put a window in the block. Not exactly ideal when dealing with a $50,000 (most likely *much* more) engine. I agree more with the carbon pins. Another thing to consider, what are you doing about galvanic corrosion and/or galling? DLC coating? Press fit? Bronze bushings? Again, I have been giving this a LOT of thought over the years, so just curious.
I too have an ME degree. Add ceramic to the matrix material and it should handle the compression similar to e MMX composite. Coat the rod to make it oil oil proof, and run a standard rod bearing. Not an easy thing to pull off, but its possible.
@@Christopher-mi6qe so this is something I'm not familiar with...adding ceramic to the matrix for toughness. Normally when you add something to the matrix it is to alter the density or viscosity of it, at least that is what I am familiar with. I worked with pre-preg materials mostly when talking CF and Kevlar. My time in the boating world we messed with wet layup and fiberglass, which is where my experience with matrix additives comes from. I think I understand how this would work, as it would give the forces a "direct" load path from one end to the other by acting on the solid particles instead of relying solely on the binding strength of the matrix. Am I thinking about it correctly? Would these particles be spherical or...? Just wondering. As for protecting the end product, yeah, I would think there are cold application/cold cure products that might be up to the task. I wonder...can you spray glyptal? I've only ever seen it brushed on. Dunno about the chemical compatibility either. The pictures of what Lamborghini is trying is "forged" CF...which is nothing more than monodirectional CF tape remnants stuffed into a mold, compressed under about 300psi (which equates to TONS of force for the given area) and injected with the matrix and cured under heat. Makes a cool looking part that can be machined, etc. and maybe the loads "see" the end result much like a forged alloy part with good grain structure, but I still worry that it doesn't take full advantage of the properties of the material. Maybe it doesn't matter? I have seen a cut-away rendering of a design I think has merit. It uses a titanium rod down the center with 2 titanium "caps" for the interfaces with the wrist pin and the upper bearing shell. Of course this is encased in a CF outer structure...so the CF is taking the tension force while the titanium rod is handling a vast majority of the compressive force. I'm not sure if that is co-molded or what...you would think it almost would have to be, otherwise the rod "case" would be 2 parts. Anyway, this stuff is super interesting to me, and I like to see how these problems are approached by different people. One thing I will say is that I have a DEEP respect for modern adhesives. Used correctly, some of this new stuff will see the surrounding material fail before either the bond or the adhesive itself fails. Watching a ~1/8" fastener system take 600lbs of tension load GLUED in 20lb structural foam is d@mn impressive!
@@rocketsurgeon11 It's pretty common to to add SiC powder to metals to increase their stiffness. It can be done with resins too. Amazingly it can be just powder of a given size and does not need to be spherical. When added to 356 Aluminum it makes it a lot stiffer. I still think making this happen will be very difficult, but I bet they can pull it off. You won't be able to run the rods more than maybe 50 passes without changing them, but that is common for conventional rods in engines making this kind of power. It is probably better to just machine the rods from solid titanium. They won't be as light, but will be a lot easier to deal with. I would not bet against Steve Morris though, he has a lot of great engines out there, been a fan for years.
We actually have a solution using our basalt hybrid composites. We outperform carbon fiber by a notable margin. Unfortunately, we haven't really been speaking with companies in the automotive industry yet.
@@jtherealtor Cool, the basalt is very hard and I assume does the same thing as a ceramic in this case to raise the stiffness of the matrix in compression.
damn, this reminds me of the bob book cgi short deck ls motor he did for dart when i worked for them, starting a pull at 8k and going to 11. heavenly sounds!!
There's so much potential there! Steve is killing it! Now we know why Chiron has 4 turbos. That's the finest example of needing dual sequential turbos I've ever seen. It's really two 5 cylinders and spinning up a turbo that big???? Take a lesson from the rb26 guys and run dual sequential. Coming on boost waaaaaaay earlier.
Holy shit Steve! I know you're a freaking beast and all but bro... Now you're just flexing on us. And the industry... Lol keep up the work we need more!
0:17 one piece main cap... I'm like, what? I'm into muscle cars and the late model engines also, but never even thought of a one piece main cap. Ingenious. So friggin strong, no shifts in a dozen possible places... all engines should do this.
Lots and lots of factory engines do have this. Especially aluminium block engines because it adds SIGNIFICANT strength and rigidity to the bottom end. Not as common in iron block engines unless they were factory built with racing in mind (think 2JZ, RB - but I believe that was more to do with the AWD system - Ford Barra I believe ect).
Carbon fiber sounds like a cool idea. It will be interesting to see how the bearings and rod bolts work. However, if you do figure out how to do it, damage to these expensive blocks would be minimal in the event of a catastrophic failure. Much like carbon fiber drive shafts, I assume they'd just explode into pieces instead of destroying equipment by beating it to death. I look forward to seeing this idea come to fruition.
@@rocketsurgeon11 Yes the same thing that happens with catastrophic failure using conventional rods, except its metal. The only difference is, carbon fiber shatters and it wouldn't beat holes through the block like steel and sometimes aluminum rods do. Catastrophic failure means the engine has to come apart and be freshened up. Im sure cleaning up some little abrasive pieces is better than a hole through a 60,000 dollar block. But........... Pretty good response for a mouth breather.
@@budddove6480 Mouth breather, huh? Interesting. Seems like the degree on my wall and my experience in the aerospace industry with these materials and manufacturing processes disagrees with your assessment. Nice try, though.
If you can keep oil going where it needs to it's easier on parts to make big power at high rpm. Big torque numbers are hell on bearings rods and pistons.
I worked for a guy that tried to do the huge power V12 Murcielago. Huge money and manpower. Saw over 1600rwhp but had problems with the engine pushing water and oil out. Problems could have been solved but business problems canceled the build. There was a mean sounding V12 with twin 4202's(iirc) that existed. Lots of technical hurdles to get it to work.
A billet "Bimmer" block... Yes, you heard me correctly: The V-10 Lamborghini uses is sourced from BMW. Now imagine that engine under the hood of a 3-series hatchback, showing-up at a tuner event. ;D
This is very, very cool. Can you tell us displacement? What engine management? I really appreciate you taking the time to do these and your tech series.
When you get it in the vehicle, it would have a wicked look to use NRE symmetric turbos. Carbon rods, eh?! Holy crap, Batman! Can’t wait to hear the dyno pulls on that one!
Mr. Morris, I wish you luck with the Carbon Fiber connecting rods since any time you can reduce that much weight is significant. Now I'm wondering why nobody has been 3d printing carbon fiber wet sleeve engine blocks.
@@michaelbrock3364 The engine isnt revving faster, its just making more power per cylinder, why would the dwell time be reduced compared to a lower power engine?
