10 FLAWS with the STARSHIP TROOPERS Mobile Infantry | BEST SPACE MARINE SERIES 

What up my fellow M-words

@@afelias 'Ewoks' please. The M word is quite offensive to me on behalf of all M words. Gratitudes fellow, embrace the brood

Yes read the book you could get booted out on a medical from the Mobile Infantry and one man was a third cook on a Troop Transport so there.

As one quite from the book put it, if they were a blind cripple in a wheelchair, they'd find something for them to do.

That's only in the book, not those awful movies.

@@CallanElliott Counting the hairs on a willy worm by touch, as I recall.

Geoff the Ironwolf No, you had to serve in the military to gain citizenship, they couldn’t reject anyone for any reason as it is everyone’s right to gain citizenship. Before the war they faced the issue of having to many people and not enough to do. But regardless they were all part of the military.

Agreed

Agreed. Failure to specify source material = disqualification. Book troopers are in the same tier as 40K Astartes but the rabble in the movies are even worse than Star Wars clones. I hope they will be more specific with the other franchises or the vote will be even more meaningless!

The video is only pointing out the flaws, I believe they are going to do a separate video for their advantages. Which will probably focus on the book and animated versions of Starship Troopers.

Sure but comparing them with other armies based on the worst disadvantages from one source and their greatest advantages in a different source makes no sense when it comes to fiction. To vote I need to know what's considered canon and what is not.

@@Judasdfg I'm a Space Marine fanboy and even I have to admit the mobile infantry have the Adeptus Astartes beat in terms of speed and firepower. Not even the mighty bolter beats tactical nukes.

Never try to out zerg the zerg.

Unless you are korean and have insane micro.

Indeed, only the Imperial Guard can do that. For the God Emperor!

RIP mobile infantry

@@bronzedivision, the Tyranid answer: "Lunchtime! OMNOMNOMNOMNOM!" or rather "SCREEEECH!" *CHOMPCHOMPSMUSHCRUNCH* ;P

But they won’t actively at war with the bugs it was after the sentencing when the asteroid hits when the declaim war on the bugs sure it was a threat they new about but they weren’t actively fighting the bugs just yet

I wont defend the Republic, if it were the Empire they would wreck the Space Marines. That being said, Colonial Marines have realy really lethal weapons and Power-armors that would make the whole IOM jealous. I think the United Americas Colonial Marines can win fights against the IOM as long as the numbers are even, an I think an actual all out war they could win, though the percentage of that isn't as good unless they start purposely using Xenomorphs, but thats a lose lose situation.

They are, but they also have one disadvantage. They're proper special forces. Most of these other space marines are the standard frontline troops, the frontline troops in 40k are the imperial guard. So that means the mobile infantry and clones will have thousands and millions, while space marines with how ultra expensive they are will be always outnumbered. If the Imperium had only space marines and no imperial guard.. The imperium would be curb stomped.

@@commandercarwash9278 Not if we take 30k era legions the ultramarines had over half a million and were the largest with wordbearers 2nd at about 300 to 400k. Also fuck erebus.

The Imperial Navy will shit on the Galactic Empire Navy in any engagement. Their corvette alone is around the same size of an Imperial Star Destroyer, and their Battleship Classes are almost as big as the Super Star Destroyer, that still doesnt count the other bigger class ones.

@@commandercarwash9278 you forgetting the new primaris marines with new weapons and they are far easier to put on the battlefield then the smaller older generation of astartes

Better tell it to Roughneck Rico Rico Oorah

Think you heard me... want to make something of it? Private!!!

@@cementer4life Not with an Officer. No, Sir. The MI doesn't mint stupid troopers.

@@DanEraser then let's disregard rank. Hear that everyone?!?! Rank is not an issue here!!

@@cementer4life Don't do this!

Seems nobody knows how to proofread their work any more, they think that no red squiggly underlines in Word means it's all good.

lol or watched or read any sci fi media ever!? terra/terran is a term as ubiquitous in the genre as the word laser

I do notice a fair amount of mispronunciation in these videos. I still enjoy them, but I can be a hard ass about grammar and pronunciation.

Wow is this reddit? Cause all I hear are a bunch of pansy nerds bitching about people having accents, and pronunciation. Just watch the video

​@@Bakara_Boybut captain the klingons approaching

'Roughneck' Rico was no putz...

I think they are going with what's on screen only, because if they went by the book with starwars it would be pretty broken. Also I do seem to notice that some people people said that the movie was about volunteers so that might explains why they perfomed so badly

He cant use the book. It scares snowflakes

Or he forgot how to read anything that isn't a script and more than 140 characters.

They don't have to. I like the video, but the vote won't make sense. Maybe I'm dumb for believing they would "take it into account".

The bugs are just really strong the morita 1 can brake through 2 cm of titanium

In the book, that's the case. In the movie, the Sky-Marshal seems to be the head of state as well, and it's very strongly implied that the whole of the government is active military (as everyone on stage during the Sky-Marshal scenes are wearing uniforms).

@@johnmccarron7066 That's what you get when the director never read the book his movie was based on.

@@johnmccarron7066 Also, in the book, it was made clear that *any* civil service would grant you citizenship, and the government would go out of its way to find something within your capacity. It wasn't just military.

Also his claim about the politicians from Starship Troopers being more likely to be warmongers was a little off. Who do you think is gonna be more likely to send other people to their deaths, a politician who's had an easy life with no skin in the game, or one who has spent time on the front lines and experienced the horrors of war first hand.

"Any civil service" - no, sir, any life-threatening civil service, which means you are either soldiers or guinea pigs (like testing life support equipment). This is because in a so-called libertarian society, normal services like construction jobs are supposed to be largely carried out by private contractors.

IFF transponders and smart rounds apparently the transponder is in the helmet...

@@jeffhousen8968 it still would of contacted his squishy eye at supersonic velocity, it just wouldn't of detonated and those were large rounds carrying significant kinetic energy

@@maclennanld wrong wording on my part, smart guns, not necessarily smart rounds When the gun is not supposed to shoot while pointed at friendly targets... Then again...their IFF sucks, that gun should not have fired with Rico right there

lol

@@jeffhousen8968 okay, that would of saved him if functioning but I doubt the director would let such useful tech exist in the movie universe. He did go way out of way to make them as inept as possible

A little too savage these days... good

Poor dumb basterds 😂

Yep equality between both and being treated the same. They won't like that

much more badass

The MI in the book is always on the bounce. The MI in the movie is getting fucking bounced off Klendathu.

Wow. This is the most intelligent reply in this entire thread. You should be voted up.

But mostly it’s colonies because whereas the Earth would be more easier to put down riots and uprisings because there would be a greater military presence and redundancy especially on the home world whereas colonies are far out on in space and contact is limited.

Agreed. I always had the impression that the TF in the movies had not fought a 'proper' war since its inception. At most the MI is used for rebellions and police actions. The vast majority of soldiers would probably never even fire their weapons in anger during their entire careers. Right up until the Bugs.

True

exactly, the war against the bugs doesn't even start until 1/3rd of the way through the movie, why would they have weapons or tactics designed to fight something they didn't think would be capable of fighting them.

I don't think they read.

Juan Rico is a Filipino in the book.

@@yussuqmadiq5274 Yet another reason I hate the movies.

Didn’t they say they would focus more on the movie as near the beginning they said the infantry in the novel is superior

@@phenexgundam5669 Yep.

tbh comparing the movie to the book is moronic. I read the book and watched the movies. The movie is a satire; the book, however, is more like a sci-fi story.

@@bradenross4182 That's because it is a Sci-Fi story ...

One CGI cartoon did

Amen.

Film is way better than the book. Trust me, I read it.

@@bradenross4182 I've read the book couple times and movie souldn't be called 'Starship Troopers'

the book is pro fascist nonsense, takes itself way too seriously and just a really boring story at that, the first film is an excellent political satire with great practical effects and some of the best sci fi war scenes put to screen. The film is a giant middle finger to the book, rightfully so.

I love both. The movie is way different than the book, to the point of not even really being worthy of the name, but I still love it. I love Verhoevens movies, that one in particular. I know its way off the mark but its so good I dont care. I love how over the top and over acted, yet under acted it is. Its campy crap and I love it. ' Heinleins book is where all good grim dark sci fi comes from. Its where power armor and space marines came from. They were the originals.

Justafan IV maybe the Earth in this future is way overpopulated, and sending in waves of human fodder both kills bugs and removes overcrowding issues?

@@Dickcheeseburger48 could be, remember one recruit saying she joined just cause being a citizen made it easier to be allowed to have children - she got dragged away by a bug in the first attack.

Agreed, the ship is the Hercules of the Space Force, they were expecting any anti-air hence the poor performance. They should have either had air support to neutralise the anti-air before the drop or just bomb the planet from orbit which is what anyone else would do.

@@casinodelonge Although the whole invasion was to get their hands on a brain bug, and they didn't want it to know they knew. So the troops were sent in blind to draw it out, no chance of Intel falling into bug pincers if the grunts didn't know. And it would be there to slurp their brains, they were sent to lose.

casbott lol, I forgot about that scene, you knew immediately she was going to die as soon as she mentioned having children.

More

Yes i'd like to know more.

Saddam needs more.

Meh. Citizenship is overrated

*desire to know more intensifies*

It's kinda funny that even the movie version is so far removed from fascism. Like, if you really look at the first movie and the world-building, it's quite apparent that the society there is very free. Education is good, people don't have curfews, there is no secret police. There is hardly any actual military propaganda (one of the biggest manifestations of fascism), the news they show feature the true, ugly face of war as it is: massive casualties. There is relatively little corruption (failed leaders step down willfully, something a fascistic society wouldn't have) and civilians aren't "second rate humans" and can actually be extremely rich and otherwise prosperous (the only thing they can't do is vote and hold office - because they didn't want to sacrifice anything to achieve that). And in both, the book and movie, you can always walk away from the military (unless you are part of Rasczak's Roughnecks where "Everyone fights, no one quits and he shoots quitters himself"). You know, I think that the guy who actually wrote the script probably trolled Verhoeven into thinking he was making a facism satire (because that's what Verhoeven thinks the movie is) when in reality he filmed a movie about quite a wholesome society instead. :D

@@HenkkaArtGames Actually, even the Roughnecks in the movie would presumably have the same rights to walk away. You can't desert while you are on the ground during a battle (obviously) but in the book you can tap out when you are about to be put in your pod before insertion, it just doesn't happen. And by it doesn't happen, I mean it is far more common for guys to try dropping when it is a horrible idea for them to do so, whether they are sick or injured, because that is just the type of espirit du corps that they have.

Some really good points. They do have a fair bit of military propaganda though. They kinda promote military service as a little less intense than it is.

@@FrigginBoomToys with the movie they do have recruitment videos for federal service that didn't exist in the books, but I think they are exactly that; recruitment videos. Propaganda implies misleading, and while everyone is smiling and laughing could be seen as misleading, they don't show anyone training or performing duties in a misleading way; only that people are happy to serve. I don't think that really qualifies as propaganda.

@@Jeremiah90526 Yes, definitely. I was just making a bit of a joke because in the movie Rasczak was such a bad-ass that his mere presence would make people not quit. And you are right, every MI soldier could walk away at any time, even just before being dropped.

Yep. Thanks.

@@GenerationFilms should be Terrans!!!

Hey watch it bub I'm American and even I know he mispronounced it.

Actually, Srarside R&D was military . Heinlein specified military service. His universe, his rules.

@@caninedrill_instructor5861 there is nothing in the book that coroborstes that. Starside Research and Development is one of the places you can join for Federal Service but this doesn't make it military.

@@caninedrill_instructor5861 Heinlein never specified military service. He held it in higher esteem but he never specified it. This is why the Federation also has Federal Labor battalions.

@Major Oz Or maybe you should mind your blood pressure. Stand down and step back. Don't take yourself so seriously. I don't.

I smell a mole. #HumanityFirst

galting gun on aliens or predator or high explosive, high volicity bullets better or a shotgun magzine 50 bullets

Exactly.

my thoughts exactly. or the same situation with the equipment and ships having been originally intended/used in another war and the attack on the planet was among the first before having changed/phased out other equipment. but from my understanding regardless, the movies are not respecting the source material in the least, rather mocking it.

Especially true when you consider that the director said he wanted to paint the MI as Fascists. Even Dale Dye, who had been military advisor on numerous films and programs like Band of Brothers and Saving Private Ryan, walked away from the production because he felt the film was mocking the military and insulting to the source material.

the first starship troopers is not a mindless action movie, its not concerned with making the troops into effective super soldiers for a marathon of brainless michael bay style splosions .. it goes over most people's heads, but the first movie is actually satire... verhoeven does his best to use satire to critique real life institutions and ideologies that perpetuate propaganda, censorship, civil obedience and war while still portraying the main characters, the soldiers as brave everyday people who just happen to enlist and now have to experience the horrors of war. the tactics and tech are not at all meant to be realistic.. in fact many times the stupidity of it all is purposely meant to highlight negative aspects of the future society in the film.

triston murray I am aware of that and the movie is still a joke! What the movie was trying to say about society was also showed in the novel and in much better way. The novel is a discussion about many things wrapped in a sci-fi and it did a dam good job about it. This is why I love Heinlein’s books, he can always merge them seamlessly with a wonderful story. The movie? No, they try so hard on making comments on some of them in expense of other important thoughts in the novel and trashed a good story! Also, except the plot it resembles nothing of the book. If you make a movie based on a novel you better make it like the novel. Can I make a movie about 7 dwarfs carrying Snow White and throwing her into volcano to fight a evil queen and call it The Lord of the Rings?! Make the movie in another title I don’t care. Since it is named Starship Troopers, that movie is a joke and its sequels!

@@yifenghu4979 fair enough, there are many franchises i feel the same way about.. and im pretty sure verhoeven admits to not finishing the book and having it summarized for him. with that being said in my opinion the film (just the first one!) does a pretty good job of being a lighthearted satire that tackles big concepts while being a solid action movie with great vfx, and i appreciate it as a standalone film even if it is not faithful to the book. but i get why you don't share that opinion, and prefer the book

@@yifenghu4979 and yes we can all agree the sequels are garbage

Yes but the point is that Rico still took his helmet off with live ammunition in use. Also the military needs someone to blame and he was the CO

@@torinjones3221 Which would probably explain why he only got the lashes, rather than being thrown out altogether.

@@ReddwarfIV Actually, a death due to a leader's gross incompetence could result in the leader being hung in Heinlein's world, at least potentially. In the book, Rico does something during an exercise that would have killed his subordinate IF it had been in actual combat, which is how he got 5 lashes.

If anything it probably would have messed him up even more if he had the helmet on, giving the bullet no where to go but ricochet in the helmet

Future-tech, just throw some regenerative gel on it and he'll be fine.

Babylon 5's Starfury will be close to the best.

@@barrybend7189 Just like B5's writing quality.

He read the first two chapters and hated it.

Love u Saddam. Oh wait...

STTA should work on win7 with official or unofficial patch, no chance on win10 (did everything humanely possible, to no avail). As a game it was far superior to marauder FPS.

@@ApocGuy "As a game it was far superior to marauder FPS." I think both are pretty decent and add many things to the story. You got to admit, though, Terran Ascendancy has not the best graphics, to say the least.

The director didn't know what fascism was, that's literally the essence of why the Starship Troopers movie is the way it is. Paul Vorhoeven didn't the novel, he just saw some jingoism and militarism (in a novel about a war mind you) and decided that this, actually fairly Libertarian federation, was a form of futuristic Nazism.

Planet P?

I don't think they read.

There was a Starship Troopers anime created in the 80s, which did keep fairly faithful to the book (however it was unauthorized so remained in Japan) (IIRC it was created by the same people who did Macross)

The cook was still in the military, just not the MI.

Dave Brunero That said, the others did it better

Predates all other space marine concepts? You sure? Might want to tell aliens 1, 2, and 3 the news... they all had space marines, and ALL came before starship troopers (not necessarily meant to cut you down, just pointing out a flaw. I loved aliens and starship troopers)

@@brianpayne2478 Starship Troopers the book came out in 1959...

@@brianpayne2478 **Destroyed, 100**

The movie is thousands of times better than the book for one simple reason. It is A MOVIE! No book will ever have visuals, a score, etc. A picture being worth a thousand words, makes a film millions of times better than its written counterpart. They turn scripts into movies, not the other way around, for good reason.

The movie was my childhood lol

Yautja Prime Yea but I’m saying the space marine are shit not the movie the book space space are really good with power armor and better weapons and better system and because it’s a movie that doesn’t mean it’s better then the book I agree that making it into a movie makes it better but in the same vain anime and game’s are 100 times better then movies because with anime games they can show it how it was meant to be in full

EpicSardines That’s great i never said it was bad I’m a fascist and I liked the movie I’m just saying the space marine where bad compared to other one and the books and anime and games I’m not saying it’s a bad movie

I will admit the second and third are dumb

I agree with that statement.

Take them out and put Pariahs back in.

The book is different, the MI are all trained to Special Forces standards (no bullshit). They are even told that if it comes down to it and you have to do something that will scrap a power suit or something like that in order to live, do it, because training a replacement for you costs more than the suit.

@@Jeremiah90526 Roughnecks the cartoon was based off the first movie. There was no power armor and the show ended on a cliffhanger that the queen landed on Earth. It's also non canon to the other movies.

wierd considering that CHAS units showed up again later in the show when they got to klandathue cost issues must have worked them selves out.

Planets always break before the guard does

Basic mobile infantry... Yep CGI or book mobile infantry have power armor and throw nukes around like they are liberty prime.

nope some are badly equipted like those on feral worlds

@@TheJarric Those are pretty much glorified PDFs and employed as such. When deployed elswhere are brought up to speed to make them more combat effective (although not to the extent compared to the regiments from Krieg, Armageddon and the like)

If they used the book which is the original source the MI would be epic

Read the book.

trevor bgs i know how they're much better in the book (and some later movies) but the point of the first film was that parody

@@tehuselessguig3138 Satire

Exactly, he thinks Johnny is useless, but Rico had development and became a better leader at the end. I rated Johnny higher than any MI in the movie, except for his mentor and Watkins. Maybe that painted most of the MI being unready for war, but hey, it's a movie.