Well that was a trip down memory lane! As a former Gilera man (50cc Enduro in 1977, last of the unrestricted mopeds), it's no surprise that the most desirable bikes were all Italian!
@@barebonesmc That would be fabulous! Gilera were always a leading edge engineering company. A very few examples we all remember are - their 500cc 4 cylinder GP bikes in the late 40s, sports mopeds in the 70s, the amazingly powerful 125cc dirt bikes in the 1980s and advanced 125cc road bikes (Crono & SP01/02) and my personal favourite, the Nuovo Saturno 350/500. Always so pretty too. The stillborn 600 with a Japanese engine (Suzuki GSX-R I think?) was a real looker too. They're Chinese owned now, so let's see what surfaces.
@@mrsilbo6499 be good if something came from it but the engine designs were what made them and I think those days are gone. the expertise just isnt there now i dont think
Had a mate had a Suzuki DR Big, loved that cos it just looked so different like my Katana. He was a bit vertically challenged so it was always amusing to watch him coming to a stop at lights where he would lift his left leg over and get off coming to a stop, leaving his right foot on the peg and brake then remounting as he pulled away. 😂
I'd suggest the Honda Dominators. The 250 version was never officially available in the UK but the grey imported one I had was a cracking little bike, fast enough to mix with motorway traffic and light and low enough for confident off-roading.
@@barebonesmc I think there might also have been a V65TT as well from the mid 80's, though that may well have been a prototype competition bike and a precursor of the NTX 650.
Note the SWM superdual and the RS650. They share the same engine with the AJP pr7. I own the RS. Great bike. CCM is also buying engines from SWM. the engine is “Italian red Husky” from the BMW days (Post Cagive). The first adv Guzzi was the ugly TT 650. The NTX that replaced it was a lovely bike with 42L fuel tank.
yep, the superdual could have been a great bike i think, the timing of covid didnt help it here and yes, it is the red top husky engine but with a bigger sump for longer service intervals, we had a conversation below about the earlier Guzzi too, not one i had come across, thanks for watching and enjoy the ride
its true, the dominator was and still is a damn good and reliable bike. There are plenty still floating about too. I wonder if it will ever be considered a real classic but in some ways it should be. I think it was just overshadowed by the XR650
You can see the Navigator I had in the photos, and there is other videos on my channel if you get the chance to look. It was a great bike, just not so great off road for me, cheers for watchingm ride free
Indeed, that is the biggest reason i havent got an RC600R, engine parts are possible, damaged bodywork another thing entirely. The Laverda crew are actually better than some for getting parts remanufactured as original, thats one of the joys of the Elefant community too. Having a supportive and fanatical user base helps more than most things. The XT, DR, KLR etc are a whole video all on their own I think lol, cheers for watching
No Goldwing on the list? :) (I can highly recommend the Dos Honduros channel here on the tube, always brings a smile to my face watching their adventures :)
The Cagiva Elefant is the bike that inspired both the Desert X and the new MV Agusta 9.5. Mr Castiglioni was the owner of Cagiva and Ducati and now owns MV Agusta. Both companies are collecting on past glory 😁
This is my fave m c channel ,can we set up a new company where every one donates a tenna and we get to build bikes that we all want , then yake over the market and vuy oit all the rest 👍
Aprilia Caponord Rally 1200. A direct competitor to the 1200 GS around 2016. Cheaper than the GS by quite a bit new and came with panniers and fully automatic suspension if wanted. Superbly comfortable, V twin power, excellent handling, tubeless rims the list goes on and on. I now have one and though not for single tracks, it is an amazing all road tourer and sport tourer in one.
yes, we were talking about the Caponard in a different comment, I did nearly buy one, i just love rotax engines, but the Cagiva Navigator came instead lol, hindsight might have made me choose differently lol. I did love the Navigator but it was a serious handful 😁
@@barebonesmc It is the 1200 90deg Aprilia engine one I was writing about. It replaced the 1000 Rotax Caponord. It might be hard to find one to just have a ride on, but youtube vids on them regard them highly. Yet sales were low enough that the factory stopped production around 2017. BTW I like your vid. Good to see other lesser known bikes in there. I previously had a Morini 500 Camel, 1000 Quota. I must like weird and wonderfull.
@@RossiTuono i thought all the Mille Falco futura and capo were Rotax designed mate, I thought the Shiver was the only actual Aprilia engine at that point but ive been wrong before lol, plenty 🙂 weird and wonderful sounds familiar or I wouldnt have had 2 Cagivas lol. glad you liked the video, ride free my friend
I had a love hate relationship with an old DR600, great when it worked but a bugger to start when it was warm. Tried a DR800 but preferred the KLR600 overall. we all have different tastes 🙂
I owned a Navigator for about 3 years, stunning bike on the road, I just couldnt get on with it off road so the Vstrom took over again :-) but was a great bike
@@barebonesmc 20 year Cgc ,more balanced than the navi no real off road done ,replaced it fo crf1000 ,same isseu it,s a heavy bike still powerfull emotion,s ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Ec2CM4DnyDM.html and more if interested.
@@wilco1v i went full hypermoto in the end with the Navi, jacked up wilbers rear race shock and cbr600r cast wheels so it was even sharper steering lol. it made it better at what it did well :-) being a hooligan 🙂
As an owner of a Quota1000, it is a great bike. Supper handling. However is is clear that Moto Guzzi did not have the budget to develop it enough, so there are issues, so not a bike for those who do not know how to hold a spanner😋. I guess almost all the budget had gone in developing the handling of the bike, cause they nailed that.
I have a friend in the Vosges who rides a Quota (and an Elefant 900) there is some footage in the tour video from the vosges ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ykLjvPbTm3w.html cheers for watching mate, enjoy the ride 🙂
Quite a comprehensive list of bikes there. Did own the CCM 450 GP....great bike when it is running, and that's the problem. Mine used to break down every 200 miles. Although some prove to be trouble free, or not as often. Also owned the 900 Cagiva Elefant, and that was great. OEM Alternator is too weak, and I remember that I was never cutting the engine at night time. The fantic will be around 16 000 CHF. Do not know about if the Chinese bike will imported in Switzerland. Ride safe and thanks for the video.
Thanks for the comments, interesting re the CCM as I had issues with an R30 I had for a while but the 450 owners seem a devout bunch. that equivalent price on the Fantic would be around £14,000 so thats almost twice as much just to have an italian badge put on a Chinese bike. I think I prefer the 'this is us' approach of Kove, more honest, thanks agan anyway mate, ride free
The CCM had the motor from Suzuki dr650 and that IS a great durable engine but the R30 was unreliable because of awful electrics however the new CCM seems well sorted and at £8000 or so for the basic model will be a great bike IF CCM have their QC sorted. They are a bike maker that have designed and made some lovely bikes often let down with stupid stuff before but often were infuriating when other stuff on the bike would be top notch
@@Ian-bq7gp some R30 were suzuki others Rotax I believe. the 450 was actually the same as the Rotax BMW used , as to the new ones I have no idea because they just arent a serious off road machine, which CCM are you talking about? last time I looked they were more than that. and yes, they have designed some good bikes but rarely made any dents in the market. ride free mate
I had a KLE500 for a while, got rear ended and written off so I bought the Wee Strom and although the KLE was better off road the seat wasnt kind lol. Thats where the Vstroms win every time lol, cheers for comment matem glad you enjoyed it
Nice one mate, a fantastic bike in my opinion. Im just finishing an SF2 rebuild that arrived in a pile of oily boxes lol. im sure you have some ideas anyway but drop me a line if you ever need any help with spares, I was tempted by one a while ago but I keep saying im thinning the collection out 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I am ok with bits, I have a connection with Piet at OCT in Germany, ex-pat Ozzie, they have a lot but not all. No clutch cables for instance. I have a 3c as well @@barebonesmc I
@@Vince1266 do you know Wolfgang? hes a gem, cable shouldnt be too hard, Venhill could make one if you have any problems, good luck with it mate n stay in touch. always interested to see what people are up to
Bmw's Xchallenge is underrated and undersold at the time. 2007-2009 It's still seriously light (150kg) and nice power. Next to being bullit proof (if air suspension is changed ;) ).
I recognised one of the Pegaso bikes you featured, it was for sale near me a while ago, and the owner had modified it due to a wrist injury, it was also in a rare colour scheme.
@@jamesgale9073 much the same on weight really, why ive gone for a Pegaso and the Vstrom for now. The Navigator I had was nice too, but too powerful to take off road with my skill set lol
on one level I loved it, but older suzukis are a pain to work on in general as the metal is like cheese lol. riding the DR Big i felt like the piston was gonna jump out of the engine if I revved it too high lol. preferred the DR 650 to be honest.
@@barebonesmc thanks, buddy. I am working on one and is proving to be a nut case. You fix one problem, another crops up. Then parts are a pain to get ...
@@GR31M4NN i hR600, great to ride, when it worked, it would start great from cold but try starting it when it was warm and you just got a sore leg lol, good luck with it mate, fingers crossed you get it sorted soon
Yamaha TW200 is a wilderness bike, since 1987, big in USA many bolt on goodies, doesn’t pass euro emissions, ho hum cos I’d buy one tomorrow, still made!
Why are bikes so heavy now? I think it is paralleled with the common ego. I have seen more people on big high powered adventure bikes that can barely turn them around than I can remember. Funny because these same people always have the nicest gear. If you don't know what you are doing you should at least look like it I guess. We call them posers here. Thanks for this video. I never knew some of these bikes existed.
Glad I surprised you mate and i can relate, the thing is, they are the ones who look down on me turning up on a battered old vstrom covered in scars and mud lol, little do they know the fun ive been having :-) 🙂Cheers for watching. Ride Free 🙂
which models specifically? the superdual isn't available anymore which had the potential to be a great bike. the range here is focussed on the Enduro end of the market more now, the Six uses a known 450cc single engine that has a good reputation, but the RS500R is their star bike and a great option if that is the sort of bike you are looking for. 110kg Brembo brakes and Kayaba forks, but its a tall, high seat bike that is a serious enduro bike more than an ADV bike. the older superdual used the same engine as the AJP with a slightly heavier chassis set up for 2 people and has a good reputation in general. It just didnt sell well enough I guess. hope that helps
@@barebonesmc i have an 05 crf 250x street legal. and i am shoping for something bigger to go further. i still like to play in the dirt. i live in nevada, las vegas . they sell swm up north in reno. i like the 450cc but i know nothing about the rs600r
@@arongitis sorry, a typo, its the RS500R, here is a link to UK site but its been out since 2015, its well proven, it is the best bike they make swm-motorcycles.it/product/rs-500-r/
didnt forget it, but it is a little more known than the Quota, i liked the Stelvio when i rode one but it was a big old brute :-) I couldn't include them all, cheers for watching, i may do another video with some of the others that slip between the other lists
🙂 ive been working on a video long term that you will enjoy then, might take a month or so longer though, ive got a lot on and the sun has been out more so the road often wins 🙂🙂Cheers for watching mate, ride free
