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Missing one that's so big that most people forget the original existed. The Suicide Squad were originally a Golden Age team consisting of various military members and scientists, fought various WW2 experiments and monsters. It wasn't till nearly 30 years later that writer John Ostrander revamped the team as mostly consisting of press ganged supervillains, with Amanda Waller at the helm
Jay Garrick was actually turned into the Flash by "Heavy Water". The fears of nuclear power was the reason for the "Heavy Water". I believe they reconned that as "Heavy Water" isn't quite as fantastical as they originally thought.
Tim Drake was my favorite Robin but not sure I agree he outshines Grayson. I get he did more with his own solo series, but anyone outside of comics still only know Grayson. The go to version for TV an Movies. Even in comics DC hasn't known what to do with Drake for years.
@Bluesit32 exactly. Monica had her own story, she wasn't dependent on Mar-Vell but she did want to honor him and when his son Genis-Vell came, she gave him the name and was still a kickass hero in her own right
I hear that Jay Garrick will be getting another series with his time lost daughter Boom and his last one was in the 40's. Joe Fixit has gotten pretty popular, even though readers prefer the Hulk if they had to choose, but still he comes back.
Many of these examples of 'outshining' are more about the relative popularity of silver age comics to golden age comics overall. In most of these cases, I prefer the original character.
Honestly Alan Scott is my favorite GL. The silver age to modern age Corps is a great idea that works well. But Alan Scott follows many mythological tones that are something I enjoy more than the Sci-Fi elements of the Corps.
The problem is that DC already had too many mythological superheroes that didn't really allow Alan Scott to stand out. Hal Jordan being a cosmic superhero is what set his Green Lantern apart.
The Hulk outshining himself is a bit of a cop-out, isn't it? Could've gone with Xemnu instead. Sure, he isn't a hero and hasn't had that many apperances, but he was originally called the Hulk.
Personally I loved the Jim Valentino's version of the GotG. It took the originals and revamped them, bringing them firmly into the 90's. Marvel even tried to plant some ties with GotG's Vance Astrovik being a member of the New Warriors under the codename 'Justice'. Too bad it didn't work out but I also loved DnA's Guardians and the movies are awesome anyway.
I loved Carol Danvers when she was Miss Marvel, she was iconic, but her replacing the original Captain Marvel was a bad choice, and her character became hard to like
The problem with Mar-Vell is that he just never achieved the kind of popularity that other Marvel cosmic superheroes had, like Nova, or Silver Surfer, or Adam Warlock. Sales for the Captain Marvel comic began to drop off by the early 1980s, so Marvel decided to cancel the comic and have Mar-Vell die from cancer, which ironically ended up becoming one of the greatest graphic novels in comic book history, The Death of Captain Marvel. Besides, when you have Adam Warlock, you don't really need Mar-Vell, to be honest.
Starlin killed off Warlock years before he killed off Mar-Vell. But I suppose you can say Starlin showed he loved Warlock more by bringing him back and leaving Mar-Vell dead.
@@radicalross7700 Starlin killed off Adam Warlock because different writers kept coming into Adam's storyline and putting a different spin on it. Since a lot of Warlock's story was inspired by the musical Jesus Christ Superstar, it was decided that Adam had to die saving the world. But his soul was alive and well in Soul World, so there was always the possibility of his return. Mar-Vell was killed off because his comic title wasn't selling, so they just decided to have him die in a way that hit the readers in a way that was very real and human, by having him die of cancer.
Just pointing a couple of things out Not complaining about the list In Green Lantern Corps, the “p” is silent. And it is Sub-mare-inner, not Sub-ma-ree-ner
I was thinking the same thing. Mar-Vell died long before 2012, other people used his name in the interim, and Carol had several other names before becoming Captain Marvel. They make it sound like he died and she instantly became Captain Marvel.
Both versions of Green Lantern were inspired by non-comic sources. Alan Scott was inspired by Aladin and his Magic Lamp, it was considered to name Alan's secret identity, Alan Ladd however there was a Hollywood actor with that name. Hal Jordon's Green Lantern Corps was inspired by E..E. (Doc) Smith's Lensman series, a series of SF novels which featured aliens from multiple worlds given high tech devices called Lens by an elder alien race, note: great space opera but sexist and racist by modern standards.
Agreed, yeah when you compare her to the original Captain Marvel she's more "popular". However Rogue was the one who originally replaced Carol Danvers and is still vastly more popular. Even Kamala Khan Carol's second replacement probably has a bigger fan base then Carol.
Carol is only 'popular' to wokeshippers who only know her from the movie. Her comics keep getting cancelled. I don't think comics fans in general think she's all that when she's just a generic Mar-Vell clone. If current Carol Blandvers is your favourite version though, more power to you, but I'd have a read of Busiek's take as a compare...
Let's not downplay Jim Hammond as the original Human Torch. Sure, Johnny Storm is the more well-known and popular Human Torch because of the Fantastic Four, but Jim Hammond was always the more powerful and physically stronger of the two. Hammond's control over fire and the amount of energy he could generate was always greater than Johnny's, and Hammond's superhumanly strong android body was far superior.
While the OG Guardians from the 1960's was not that exciting, I personally like the 1990-1994 run best. Vance Astro, Yondu, Charlie 27, Martinex, Nikki, Starhawk/Aleta. Drax showed up as his character was originally intended to be, as opposed to what we see now. We got the Spirit of vengeance ( Ghost Rider ) and Hollywood (Wonder Man), Silver Surfer, and Krugarr, popping in. We got a version of Yellowjacket, Talon, and Firelord joining at points. For me that was much more fun and interesting than the later group that got moved into the MCU.
You make it sound like Mar-vell dies and then, almost immediately, Carol took up the mantle. He died in 1982 and she became Captain Marvel in 2012, a full 30 years later. :/
And way before she was Captain Marvel, that title was held by one Monica Rambeau....back when she was the first person of color And the first woman to lead the Avengers
Sorry but Carol hasn't outshone Mar-vell by a longshot. She hasn't even outshone Genis-vell let alone Monica in the title. Even Then Billy Batson is Captain Marvel
I'd actually say that becoming the new Captain Marvel is what ultimately ruined Carol Danvers' character. She was great as Ms. Marvel, but the moment they had her take on the mantle of Captain Marvel, the Marvel writers couldn't help but maker her an insufferably pretentious and sanctimonious character, succumbing to the excesses of fourth wave neo-feminism, which was a betrayal of her classical feminist origins. Carol was at her best when she was more like She-Hulk and didn't take herself too seriously while still being heroic.
For a second part of this video you could include the vision, the original was an alien that's barely known, on the other hand and thanks to the marvel movies, everyone knows the vision 2.
I still prefer the ORIGINAL Captain Marvel: Billy Batson. And, not surprisingly, I prefer the ORIGINAL Captain Marvel movie that came out in 1941. I feel so old when kids these days don't know the classics...
@mustafahameed9252 That is who they are keeping it from. The law states that If my if Marvel does not use the name 2 years in a row. The captain marvel name goes back to dc
Cindy's Dad here and I just found this video. I have to ask why no mention of Aarkus the original Vision and his replacement? Kinda curious if I'm the only one who remembers him?
mine to funny thing is I actually thought he was the first Lantern as him in the Justice League cartoons was my introduction to the green Lantern, then was like who are these other guys and why aren't they as cool as John
I've enjoyed both versions of each that you listed. In what I'm sure will alienate from most others and we will have to agree to disagree, there are some you listed that I prefer the original. We agree on the Teen Titans we agree on Guardians of the Galaxy I prefer the original Batwoman/Batgirl (Barbara Gordon) We agree on green Hulk though I did enjoy the first 6 issues. Tim Drake...yeah, don't even get me started on the whole Robin thing in its entirety. Carol Danvers/Captain Marvel. I prefer the original Ms Marvel and Captain Marvel. Anything after that I felt was a cash grab. While I did like Hal Jordon as Green Lantern I much prefer the original, Alan Scott. Human Torch? Loved the FF back in the day but the original Human Torch is my fav of the two. Jay Garrick if my fav as the Flash. X-men -- oh boy, I loved the Giant Sized X-Men #1 that brought us the new version of the group but I still liked the original almost as much. I guess, in general, I prefer golden age characters.
What culture, what happened to your channel¿ You went from 4 videos a week to 1 video a month, maybe... this makes me sad because you were legitimately a good channel 😪
I believe in the '30s, '40s and '50 there were characters called Spiderman, Silver Spider, The Spider, etc. In terms of the Marvel characters, The Fantastic Four who debuted in November 1961 did pre-date The Amazing Spider-Man's debut in Amazing Fantasy #15, August 1962. However, the made for TV Spider-Man movies from 1977-78 were before the unreleased Roger Corman Fantastic Four movie from 1994,
Let's not give James Gunn too much credit. To say that Gunn based his Guardians of the Galaxy move on the 2008 version is ignoring the fact that Gunn took a very sloppy and juvenile approach to the material. If you do your research you'll see that the modern Guardians of the Galaxy are actually the remnants of Warlock and the Infinity Watch from the 1990s, which consisted of Adam Warlock, Gamora, Drax, Moondragon, and Pip the Troll. That comic title, which was created in the aftermath of the Infinity Gauntlet storyline, was unsuccessful, as was the attempt to revive the original 31st century Guardians of the Galaxy title in the late 1990s, so Marvel decided to create a new Guardians team out of what was left of Warlock's group. But Gunn foolishly left Adam Warlock out of his films, instead focusing on Star Lord, and cutting Adam Warlock completely out of the entire Thanos/Infinity War storyline, in spite of the fact that Warlock is the one who defeated Thanos and not including Warlock in the Thanos storyline is like not including Superman in the Darkseid/Apokolips storyline.
I agree. Kyle's imagination has incredible detail. One of my favorite panels with him was in the Marvel vs DC series where he shows up to battle riding a space craft of some kind with huge mounted guns on it. If it wasn't glowing green, you'd never know he used his ring to make them.
I agree with most of your take. Of course, Hal Jordan as Green Lantern is so iconic, no one remembers the previous iteration. And Capt Mar-Vel is 1,000 times better than the toxic feminist they have pretending to be a heroine. The story is better, has depth, and even adding Ms. Marvel felt genuine.. or mostly so. Of course, a feminist can't get her powers from a male.. even if he's alien. 😄
No mention how they used Kathy Kane to tell stories about LGBT+ when she was created to make sure Batman and Robin were not mistaken for gay due to the actions of a scumbag bigot masquerading as a wise man? And the Flash actually did this more than once. Well maybe not. Wally wasn't Barry, but he did alright. That's why it felt like a step back instead of forward when they brought Barry back. Honestly, he HAD his perfect awesome death. He didn't need to come back.
I'd agree that Tim Drake was the better Robin than his predecessors but DC have told us all that Tim never became Robin thanks to the New 52. He was Red Robin only. Yeah DC, let's ruin the immensely popular character because he was made in the 90's. Sigh. (See also Helena Bertinelli Huntress) As an aside, green Hulk IS Grey Hulk. Sigh.
It's sad that it took me a moment to realize what point you were getting at. Where was she from? I know she spent a good deal of time in Cairo...and that's where she stole Xavier's wallet when she was a child...but I think she was in Kenya when Xavier recruited her.
Actually, Storm's father was an American journalist who, if memory serves, met Storm's Kenyan mother while traveling/working in Africa. She came with him to the US, where Ororo/Storm was born. When she was six years old, she was with her parents in Cairo when they were killed.
