I love the Yeager class. I love to think of the nightmare that its engeneering shop had keeping it running. It must have been a true challenge getting all the incompatible components working together with out breaking down or blowing up. What a hero ship that would have made.
Their Akira class is one of my favorite ships in the Star Trek series when I first saw in the Battle of wolf 359 I instantly fell in love with it I literally have a model of it on my desk that I've had for years now
@@sheevone4359 My personal favorite part: _Dark Helmet: "What the hell am I looking at? When does this happen in the movie?" Col Sandurz: "Now. You're looking at now, sir. Everything that happens now, is happening now." DH: "What happened to then?" CS: "We passed it." DH: "When?" CS: "Just now. We're at 'now' now." DH: "Go back to then." CS: "When?" DH: "Now." CS: "Now?" DH: "Now!" CS: "We can't." DH: "Why?" CS: "We missed it." DH: "When?" CS: "Just now." DH: "When will 'then' be now?" CS: "Soon!"_
@@MaskedGEEK yeah I love that scene. I also like when colonel Sandurz says: "... And this is our Major Asshole. And dark helmet responds: " Another asshole? How many assholes have we here?" Everybody: "We all are!" DH: "I knew it, I'm surrounded by assholes."
That "shot from Golden Eye" has actually be used since silent film days. I can think of at least a couple of episodes of the original "Ducktales" from the mid 1980s that uses it as well.
It's an easy way to film one thing being dropped a moment before another identical-looking thing is launched upwards - can't keep crashing planes or helicopeters (or ducks) while filming. But it's just lazy and uncreative when you film with disposable CGI starships. Lack of original or authentic effort shows in the shows.
And I can tell you this, as a pilot, that scene in Golden Eye was just as ridiculously fake as the fictional concept of a 100 plus year old derelict starship being able to achieve that maneuver. And I am not just talking about someone climbing aboard a falling out of control airplane. The "lift" angle of attack, speed, etc. of that plane was all over the spectrum. The best bush planes in the world cannot recover from that scenario. But to the untrained pilot, it might seem plausible. lol. I could also go on and on about trivia facts about the jump from the dam that was in fact not from a dam, but I won't. lol.
@@WW-wf8tu Yeah, I'm not sure exactly what that was meant to be about. The PC-6 is a pretty good STOL design, and I'm pretty sure it's Vr is like 50-60KIAS, certainly no need to throw it off a cliff for an extended time for it to fly! And surely once it got airflow over the wings it would pitch up naturally anyway even without pilot input - at least, until the airspeed dropped off and it pitches down again, and so on, and so on. I'm pretty sure that to replicate the film shot, you'd have to be holding full elevator down to stop it pitching up - and even then I reckon it'd overcome that at some point and start pitching anyway.
Star Fleet: We're peaceful explorers and are totally non-violent Borg: Sup Nerds? Star Fleet: We need guns, we need lots and lots of guns Ben Sisko: I'll have it for you by monday
Random observations. In universe the Nova class was supposed to be the pathfinder vessel for the Defiant back when the plan was to have a really high warp torpedo boat that would do hit and run salvos, but they changed the entire concept and went for a close range slugger. But since the frame was viable they repurposed it into the Nova class and greatly downgraded the warp core. And the anti Borg ships that debuted in First Contact took some design cues from the Defiant in that they didn't have nacelles out on long pylons unsupported and vulnerable. Most had them connected to the primary hull in some way or at least partially obscured by the primary hull. The idea was that since there was going to be a new Enterprise, they didn't want to confuse the audience by having another new ship with the traditional saucer, secondary hull and nacelles on pylons look. The in universe explanation was that Starfleet was going to a new design paradigm of much tougher and more "muscular" ships. And the plan was that after Nemesis, when they had planned on continuing with the current timeline they were going to show Starfleet going to internal bridges and not having the long willowy exposed ships. But the ship designers had no say in the studio hiring a director who didn't even know or like Star Trek to direct Nemesis and killl the franchise for a while. But Star Trek online (which came much later) went back to mostly standard designs with just new detailing and styling. As for *Seven of Nine,* and her costume: a little trivia, her costume almost killed her! The original full Borg suit she wore (before she was deBorged) cut off the blood flow to her carotid artery when she turned her head. She immediately passed out and a alert film crewman turned her head straight and restored blood flow to her brain. As well her catsuit required 20 minutes to take off or put on - with help, so to avoid toilet breaks she just didn't drink much. I wonder if she made a clause about no catsuit for "Picard"? And finally when first screening Voyager, the local TV affiliate was a year behind, so my mates and I would hire the tapes [from a video shop, a lot of you may have read about them in 'remember 90's kids memes'] as soon as they came out. Well we were the second or third ones to hire Scorpion part 2, and the scene where Seven is revealed from behind in her slinky new outfit was hard to watch … I don't mean that as euphemism, the tape at that precise scene had lines and was crinkly because it had been held on pause for so long it had caused physical damage - on a video tape that had been released a few days earlier. This was a primitive time, before internet porn.
7:30 So basically, they said that these ships were slapped together on a shoestring budget and tight schedule... to justify slapping ships together on a shoestring budget and a tight schedule.
@Sean Wilkinson Very practical!If it was Star Wars, it would just be a generic ship but with a paint job like a red stripe. No effort or depth to design a unique medical ship. In the movies the Rebellion's medical ship was a repurposed Nebulon B frigate.
Sean Wilkinson Sure, the spherical design looks peaceful, but if you’re responding to a medical emergency in the middle of a Romulan battle, I don’t think it’ll make you less likely to be hit...
The sphere might accommodate omnidirectional transporter beams or even maximized surface for medical shuttle bays with minimized paths to inner medical wards. A big hospital isn't much use without an ambulance fleet.
Knew almost all of them but I'd forgotten about the Raven. Though to be honest it seems sorta like a runabout class or predecessor or something like that based on it's general size and look
@@MrGoesBoom my guess is that it' s more like a small freighter, kinda bigger than a runabout or a yellowston, but not as big as a normal FCA o Bolian model
Freedom-class? USS Franklin? I thought the Franklin was unique? And the Freedom-class is a ONE engined ship from the TNG era, seen in "Best of Both Worlds..."
Thanks for this wonderful round-up on the lesser-known Star Trek vessels. My favorite is USS Defiant, which turned the tide of the Dominion War, and is, in general a bad-ass little ship - accommodations are closer to a WW2 destroyer, and a very warlike craft.
A little known fact is that the Bonsai tree was so overpowered that in order to keep the episode (and whole Star Trek franchise) from being finished in a few minutes they had to kill it off in what was arguably the most deus ex machina moment in the show.
The sphere section on the Olympic class makes sense if you consider that a sphere is the optimal shape for enclosing a volume with a minimum of surface area. Perhaps since it’s a medical ship, the idea is extra radiation shielding for vulnerable patients?
Minimum amounts of armor material and shield energy to fully encase the main hull. But maximum internal volume? The usual horizontally-layered arrangement with tiny floorspace in topmost/bottommost decks? An onion-layered or segmented arrangement with tons of crazy omnidirectional turbolift shafts/intersections?
I had always hated the design of the Olympic class in Star Trek... until I flew one in Star Trek Online, and now I love the look of it! Seeing it in 3D worked for some reason.
I didn't know there is actually an Olympic class ship that big ball can be a hospital section i thought that makes sense instead of square or rectangle shapes like most haspital
My favourite is definetly Nova Class! In Equinox they said that the Equinox has little weapons, but they are actually as strong as Voyager's. And it looks perfect. And I like the idea that it replaces the Oberth Class. And...
Anyone who studied the old Starfleet Starship Recognition Chart respected the Olympic class for being a callback to the Daedalus. And respected the Vengeance as a Dreadnought, on immediate sight. My boyfriend thought I was crazy when I screamed in the theater when nobody else did.
The Norway-Class is my bane. I’ve been trying to build a model of it for years, but in order to scale it, it just has to be oh so long with those blasted nacelle things on the aft.
My favorite little known ship is actually the Cheyenne-class. You only see it once, as far as I know. When the Enterprise passes by the debris field after the battle of Wolf 359, one of the destroyed ships is a Cheyenne-class. I like this ship because the original studio model was actually designed from two scaled-down Galaxy -class model kits (saucer, "necks" and pylons) and four painted marker pens as nacelles. No clue why they didn't just use the nacelles from the kits as well - you couldn't really tell from the distance anyway. But hey.
Left it to late for the trailer analysis, didn't you ? Or is Alan still locked away furiously going through it frame by frame looking for clues while running sound wave comparisons to see if that is Palpatine.
Please let Alan stay locked away. This guy has such a slurred pronounciation he should undergo propper speaking lessons so his pronounciation is no longer like mumble jumble.
The crew of the Oberth Class science vessel probably got from the top section to the secondary hull section by using turbo lifts that take people through the nacelle pylons connecting the top and bottom sections of the ship together, Turbo Lifts can move in all directions so it is entirely possible.
Long ago in a book store far away, in a time before internet, cellphones, google, or youtube I picked up a book called “The Making of Star Trek”. It was the late seventies and from this ancient tome I learned that the Enterprise had many concept drawings made before the Constitution class that we know and love came about. The principle runner up to what we know was a peculiar vessel with warp nacelles but a giant, round ball-section instead of a saucer- section. That is almost what we got.
hey if the person that thought you needed terminal velocity to take a ship off in atmosphere of course he's going to have problems counting how many nacelles are actually on the ship
Jeffrey's Tubes actually do go into the warp nacelles. Archer built an auxiliary navigation bridge inside one to shield the crew from a radiation nebula.
The ship has two separate crews. Officer elite and noble scientists on top, lowly menial peons and redshirts on bottom. The Bolian galley slaves send food to the bridge with miniature cargo shuttles.
The "Akira" class is an anime reference. There were quite a few otaku in the TNG staff to easter egg a reference. (Anime was not mainstream in the 80s and 90s. Most subtitling was done by fan groups. It was not uncommon to find Hollywood types in the same dark video room of a science fiction convention watching the Dirty Pair or uncut Space Battleship Yamato.)
I always wondered what that intrepid class variant was all about. You can see it orbiting around DS9 in the background in a ton of scenes showing the station.
To be that guy … the NX Enterprise was one of the first Starfleet ship fitted with transporters, and were used very sparingly as they weren't trusted. That a more primitive shipv such as the Freedom class would have them seems a bit … OMG A continuity error in Star Trek, say it isn't so.
@@barrybend7189 And in reality it would kill whatever it transports and rebuilds a new "person" who thinks they are the original at the other end. Just imagine every time anyone beams anywhere in Star Trek they are committing suicide. Bones was the only one who realized it I guess, which must've been why he hated transporters.
It’s also probably been refitted since launch as it’s mentioned Krall is basically a MACO who was put in command after the MACOS were rolled into Starfleet following the forming of the Federation (which is why he’s angry apparently) but I don’t think it’s unreasonable that the ship could have been refitted and a better transporter system added after it proved usefull on the Enterprise.
Yeah i thought the implication was that transporters have been around for decades for use with cargo, and it’s not necessarily that the Enterprise’s was the first safe enough to use on people, it’s just that people were so squicked from horror stories from early transporter experiments that it took a ridiculously redundant variant on the Enterprise before they were deemed people safe. Plus Scotty souped up the one on the Frankin, so maybe it wasn’t people safe before
Not bad, but I take issue with the inclusion of the Akira and Saber classes. They were so prominent in the later seasons of DS9 that even casual viewers would recognize them, if not know their backstories. Steamrunner class gets a pass, as it was less prominent, and Norway is fine, as the lost the model after First Contact, making that the only appearance of the design (outside of a silhouette in one VOY episode).
The flat saucer of the freedom class kinda act like aerodynamics wings, so once they would’ve reach terminal velocity it would pull up and activate stabilizers which would provide lift
Dude! Our starship we had for our Star Trek role-playing game was a Steamrunner class! 🤓 My buddy even commissioned a model maker to paint a resin model of it for us, name and all 😎
Raven class ship was not the same size as a runabout vessel. The Raven class was a 5 deck deep space, extended period exploration ship with a shuttle bay of it's own. The runabout, generally shown as the Danube class vessel, was a single deck warp capable ship that was bigger than a shuttle, wiith small crew compartments, but significantly smaller than a starship.
I LOVED the Pasteur from All Good Things. Lamest? It’s gorgeous. And it’s not the same old same old. AND it harkens to quite a few sci-fi designs with a spherical main hull in front of a longer secondary.
There is one thing I need to correct you on. The Akira class escort did not have a fighter bay. It was supposed to. It was in the original design specs, but officially, by the Canon timeline, it was rushed into production because of the Dominion war and the threat of the Borg, and in being rushed, was produced without the fighter bay, and thus was not the carrier it was originally planned to be. And Star Trek online, the ship that the Akira was supposed to be ends up being the next generation in that ship line, and is called the armitage class.
You missed out on the USS Adelaide... Inspired (in part) by the *Defiant* class and the *Constitution* class She was able to travel from the _Alpha Quadrant_ to the _Delta Quadrant_ in 7 or 8 days (depending on how much coffee the captain had consumed before departing) and had the fire power of a *Galaxy* class battle cruiser concentrated into a single phaser emitter.
FYI, I play Star Trek Online and can shrink an Akira class escort carrier. There was no life support included in the secondary hull of an Oberth class and had no space there for crew.
I would love to see a short series about all the different ships of Starfleet. Like 3 -5 episodes about different crews on different ships...... you could even have some of the more popular series make guest appearances in other series
Defiant, considering it nearly blew itself to bits during live fire trials. Best I can give ya, don't know much about the Saber class TBH lol. (Used to be able to quote off every spec of both Enterprise D & E though..XD)
Starfleet Design Tech: "Back in the 20th Century, the 'United States' commissioned a close-air-support craft called an ... 'A-10 Warthog'. Basically they designed the entire airframe around a multibarrel rotating cannon. I .. think we can do that here."
I flew an Olympic class for a while as a science officer in STO, only I went for the design where most of the sphere section is replaced by a cool looking force bubble.
I remember there was a scene in the first Abrams movie when you could see a starship with X-wing style nacelles and I really want to know what it's called if anything cause X-wings are plain cool
What happened to the "Perimeter Action Class Ships", that were used by the Federation in 2290-2291? The Akyazi Class PA's were mentioned in a few books, but never fleshed out as a vessel.....
This is how I understand the USS Franklin's albatross dive A. it had aerodynamics comparable to those of the starboard wing of EL AL Flight 1862. (what little aerodynamics she had was bad, but it was there) B. her stabilizers weren't designed with the throughput required for VTOL in mind. (The stabilizers would be choking on their own fuel long before output reached VTOL levels.) C. Vt was required for the natural lift coefficient to be high enough for the stabilizers to be able to boost it to positive. (Vt allowed the stabilizers to turn the glide-ratio into a climb-ratio) However it might have been better if they started earlier with the rotate as that would have allowed a more gradual rotation and thus could have resulted in less velocity being lost from it.
And 22nd-century NX-class was directly based on the "experimental new approach" concept/design of 24th-century Akira-class. (As was the canon-bending 22nd-century Franklin-class which set new warp records a decade after ENT surpassed them.)
In past decades they were forced to use physical models. Costly to build, modify, store and transport between filming. But now good CGI is cheap and abundant, licensees (like STO) and fandom create/restore endless new starship models of quality. So I think we'll see a lot of nice new starships in future Trek. Unless they deliberately "tribute" old designs. Assuming, of course, the Trek franchise isn't burned to ruin.
Everyone takes the mickey out of the Olympic class ball hull BUT the most efficient shape (volume/surface area) is a sphere so as a medical frigate this layout provides MASSIVELY more floor area than a saucer section. This makes sense to use as it allows for so many more beds, operating rooms, convalescence areas, Physiotherapy suites etc: Stop hating on the Daedalus and show it some love.
Wish we had got a show based around the adventures of an Akira class ship, we saw how well the Defiant based episodes of Ds9 were, they could have done a good job of it if they had tried it.
There were actually some experiments in the 50s and 60s using round shaped aircraft. They did find that a round body COULD generate lift. It's plausible but a lot of that would depend on things we know nothing about; e.g. the aero dynamic qualities of that particular shape on that particular planet
