I would say another one that never really fit was Cody Rhodes in Bullet Club. I know it led to AEW being a thing and all that stuff but it never really felt like it fit him. Even now, with all of the Bullet Club stuff popping off in AEW and Impact, he is kept to himself and not even mentioned with it.
I think the same way. Cody didn't fit anywhere in Bullet Club, that was like the time Jeff Jarett became also a member and look how that turned out lol.
I actually think that's why Cody worked in the Bullet Club so well. He was a cocky, egomanical foreigner but the fact that he didn't click with most of the BC gave us the entire Bullet Club Civil War storyline which led to a lot of fantastic matches. (Golden Lovers vs Young Bucks being my personal favorite.)
I never followed ROH or NJPW deeply enough to know the first thing about the BC or what it’s supposed to be about. But from the stuff I remember reading from people around that time and subsequently into AEW and the Cody-verse stuff it seems like it would’ve never been a true “fit” because Cody has remained a guy who uses traditional style one would associate with the Fed and from my memory never really adopted the high flying, fast paced style that has a bunch of impressive moves that would match the styles of the members of the Elite like Omega and the Bucks. That aspect alone makes it fairly transparent that he’s not the same as the other guys within a group like that so kinda feels like you’d never see the dude as a true fit in that group outside of being a foreigner considering even the very bare bones of the craft, that being the style he wrestles, is polar opposite of the group. Then of course mix in the attitude, the suits and so on and essentially you can easily see that there’s nothing there that actually matches but the dude is just friends with some of the people in the group so he’s joined up and then naturally bucks what others see as the best direction because he is such an opposite.
Well, how did Jarrett fit in with New Blood? He won titles for both WCW & the WWF before, he debuted in 1986, went through Memphis & Dallas before coming to the bigger companies, comes from Wrestling Royalty ...
@Oliver L. Well Jarrett was being pushed as a new world champion at the time, Scott Steiner was also in New Blood despite being around awhile, Shane Douglas was also in New Blood despite being around awhile as well. Booker T should’ve been in New Blood but wasn’t, Booker was in the joke MIA jobber faction at the time. Millionaires Club was Hogan, Sting, Flair, Luger, Funk, Psycho Sid, Savage (I think), Bam Bam Bigelow (I think), Horace Hogan (why I don’t know), Kanyon (why he wasn’t in New Blood I don’t know), and DDP (was DDP that old at the time though?, I’m not sure if DDP fit in a legends stable at the time)
TBH, that whole storyline didn't make sense. The New Blood had a bunch of veterans and, though they were supposed to be the oppressed hard workers, they were booked as heel. The Millionaires Club is a terrible name for a face faction and their whole thing was that they were holding the young guys back. Also, Hogan was booked in a feud with Billy Kidman for some insane Russo reason.
I gotta admit, it look weird seeing Crush in the Nation Of Domination. His biker image didn’t blend in well with the black militant style of the group.
@@davidquinn2382 I did also find Owen being a part of the nation a little weird but at least by the time Owen joined, the group dropped the black militant style.
If you thought it was crazy to make a all black stable back in the day imagine the controversy it would be today I don't see what the big deal is. Maybe it's just the name I'm going to assume
@@Bsfnelz20 what was wrong with the name? Whats even wrong with an all black team? It was strange seeing crush and owen because of it, however, i dont see anything wrong with the stable.
I know WWE only acknowledged Hogan, Nash, Hall & Syxx as the nWo going into the WWE Hall of Fame but technically since they put the nWo group in that means roughly 62 wrestlers and associates got put into the hall of fame at once.
Which is wild when you think about since IN WWE they had Booker T, Big Show, and HBK. You can make sense of not honoring all the WCW members, but the people they literally put in themselves not being counted is wild.
@Craig Mitchell Yes & No... 'Faction Induction' is the only way Waltman goes in any HOF with his extra curricular issues... But if you're doing the Outsiders and the "3rd Man" Hogan skipping over 4 & 5 (DiBiase & Virgil/Vincent IIRC) to Syxx isn't wholly out of place when you remember the Horsemen went in as Flair, Arn, Tully & Barry... and not say Flair Tully Arn & Ole, or even Flair Arn, Ole & JJ - Let alone Everyone from Ole to Malenko who occupied that 4th Slot at one point or another (as @Matt Jones appears to think, the NWO Induction would include all 60+ one time members
1:57 This was also Douglas third run with WCW and he had held (tag team) gold in WCW before his last run as well. This makes his association with New Blood even weirder.
I still think Steiner was more out of place than Douglas. The man was is older then Douglas and fit the old guard better, being from one of the most famous tag team in history. Other miscast members of The New Blood were Bam Bam, Konnan, and Bret Hart.
Just so you know, G.I. Bro was Booker's idea for the M.I.A., as it was his 1st ever gimmick in wrestling. The course changed when the discrimination lawsuit came about and Booker got the million dollar payday for NOT participating in it.
I still to this day never understood how a guy like Owen Hart as great as he was, was put in a black militant style group as part of The Nation Of Domination. It just felt.. weird
I think the reasoning was "Well, he is the Black Hart!" But the real reason was, HBK didn't want to do the job to him, and Austin didn't want him anywhere near him
@@tafua_a I mean, I can't blame Austin. Owen did accidentally break Austin's neck. Michaels though, the man who had as man shovels and grave plots as HHH.
@@PrizeJ Who do you think taught HHH how to use a shovel. But yeah, I don't blame Austin either, especially since Owen never found the courage to address this with Austin and apologize to him
Well thats not fair with the NWO. The original plan was to make the 2 hour NWO a own show on monday. WCW would air Thursday. Just like Raw & Smackdown with a full roster. Heels and Faces. Main Event and Undercard. Thats the reason why they put 40 men into that stable.
(Dis)honorable mention: adding Captain fooking New Japan to the Bullet Club and giving him that goofy Bone Soldier gimmick. That went over like a fart in church.
Benoit, Pillman, Dean and Eddie Guerrero should have been the new 4 horsemen in WCW. Ric should have just been their mouth piece, and “the final boss” of the group.
I always thought Bestia Del Ring was out of place in the original Los Ingobernables. La Mascara, La Sombra, Rush, all fitted the same mold, whereas Bestia Del Ring just looked like someone's - in this case, Rush's - dad.
Putting Shane Douglas in Millionaire's Club was impossible from the get go for one simple reason - he would never agree to be on same team with Ric Flair.
How in the hell did Roma make the list for the Four Horsemen and NOT Mongo McMichael!! Mongo wasn't even a wrestler yet he was part of the greatest faction of wrestlers ever...bulls#$t!!!
I think sid and McMichael were worse then Paul Roma. His in ring talent was better then both of them. A solid tag team worker. Consistent and got the job done. Unlike sid who would be ok to shit on a whim and McMichael wasn't even a wrestler till he turned heel.
hogan, hall, and nash were the only necessary members of the nwo. even waltman as a bad guy in the cruiserweight division without the nwo would of been good stuff. we would be without the wolfpac theme if they had booked that right though so take the good with the bad
Uhh, Nation of Domination was more of a Black Panthers thing than a Nation of Islam thing. While there is some overlap between the two groups, it was a direct homage to the "Civil Rights" era of the 1950s, 60s and 70s, when Black Para-military outfits were helping promote and protect the black people's rights. NoD was a stable of Black Wrestlers designed to promote and protect Black Wrestlers and adopting the "Black Power" salute as their own.
Actually, Sting in the Wolfpac made sense. The Wolfpac was the biggest menace to Hulk Hogan, so Sting joined because they had an enemy in common and "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". I just wish the Fingerpoke never happened...
@@titanhades4331 I always interpreted early Crow Sting more as the nWo's enemy than as the embodiment of WCW, especially since the reason he went Crow was because the nWo framed him with Fake Sting, and the whole WCW roster turned their back on Sting even though the fans immediately recognized the imposter and the Stinger was in Japan during the whole fake Sting situation
@@titanhades4331 Actually the commentators went to great lengths to explain that the Wolfpac was not a threat to WCW basically so they could have their biggest homegrown star join the NWO without turning heel.
Manu and Simm Snuka didn’t fit in Legacy that’s why their time wit them was short. Mark Jindrak didn’t fit in with Evolution. Like I don’t think he made an appearance with them on TV. He was replaced wit Batista.
@@jmreeves89 It wasn’t very well defined. They were taking orders from him for some unknown reason, and when Nash returned a week or two later it was dropped entirely.
@@LJALLDAY600 you make a fair point. I’ll change it to 4-5 members. Only 3 to me always feels like it’s missing something. Just a tag team plus one. …. X-factor anyone lol
i grew apart from wrestling when Joe did the whole "tire mark" schtick and i always wondered what the hell he was doing with that gimmick. it looked like a joke compared to what he'd been portrayed as formerly
PAUL ROMA was AWESOME! Paul Roma was charismatic, & a major draw to bring in fans in both WWE & WCW. Both Arn Anderson & Paul Orndorff, both who Roma worked with, always spoke highly of Paul Roma too. Roma is still working in wrestling, with PAPW league.
I gotta disagree with you about Hornswoggle in DX. It was fun. No, it wasn't the DX of the Attitude Era. But it wasn't their role at that point. As for miscast members, Sting should have held multiple spots on here. Yes you covered two of them. Putting Sting in with ANY faction with NWO on their shirts is akin to having Superman join The Doom Patrol. Fun, but doesn't look right. The Main Event Mafia? He never wanted to play the bad guy, so he didn't. But the one that bugged me most was The 4 Horsemen. What the flub was he doing with them? Giving them target practice for backstabbing?
I'll still never understand why so many people burn on Paul Roma, as the worst horseman... He could work talk okay maybe he didn't necessarily fit in with Ric and arn, but at least he was a better tag team with arm then making that pathetic excuse for an announcer to in ring performer moose McMichael, he had no athletic ability couldn't talk on the mic and was usually always feuding with Jeff Jarrett, I mean sure he had a great football career but that is the extent of it he had no business being apart of the legacy that is the four horsemen
I always felt shane Douglas was a terrific heel...i always felt he could've made it to the main event scene....well he did in ecw...i mean in wcw...and that's what was so odd to me by wcw and their new blood faction....i mean at diff times...they had the filthy animals...not the original...the konnan/mysterio/juventud/and disqo(disco inferno)...and all of those wrestlers had been around for years....kidman was in it but wasnt with the animals...so he could fued with hogan...senselessly...and he has been around a while....then ya had booker t in originally....who was far from "new blood" in wcw....he left rather soon....vampiro....he had made his bones for years down in mexico...the great muta(really???)...mike awesome....i guess he sorta did fit the criteria...same with lance storm....buff bagwell had wrestled for like a decade or more....scott Steiner had been around close to as long as sting at that point....and i refuse to even discuss the horrid goldberg heel turn...i get it...of the "new blood" type stars he was the most over....i mean Jeff jarrett was center piece....jeff Jarrett who had that point had been to wwe...then wcw...back to wwe....back to wcw....the man had been in the ring for a long time then....i understand that they intended for new blood to be face and millionaires club heel...if they thought it through they woulda scrapped it...maybe...it was the "Russo era" in wcw
for as much work as Eric/WCW put into 'beta testing' the NWO angle in 95 (Sting growing out his Hair, Hogan going dark and shaving off his 'stache, NJPW 'buying' TV Time they really should have planned out an end (assorted possible ends) because they went from Striking while the Iron was Hot to Beating a dead Horse (to mix metaphors) part of what allowed the Horsemen to 'last' ~15 years is that they broke up and reformed multiple times (even with ill fitting parties on the Roster) - the NWO should have had an off-switch circa February '98... and then if done right at the end of the year have Hall or Nash (or Both a la Flair/Arn) revive the branding
