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The only problem with Terl doing something sensible in Battlefield Earth is that it would have shown that L Ron Hubbard WASN'T an entirely terrible author.
Many of these require the villain to have prescience. Their actions were only wrong in context of their demise, but at the time, not particularly dumb.
In Iosef's defense, he didn't know he was messing with John wick until after he stole his car and killed his dog. He was just doing what he does every day. Most of these on this list are the same. It's not as if they knew what "well enough" was to leave it alone.
Or, as an alternative, he could have accepted that some things are simply not worth going to war for, which is what he did. He committed acts of unspeakable violence over something he had every resource to acquire in perfectly legitimate and bloodless ways. It was incredibly stupid and pointless, which his dad realizes, but he can't be seen to have anyone ever overpower him. It was a stupid decision on the face of it, and anyone who wasn't an entitled idiot, if they had that much money, would have just gone and bought a similar car that *was* for sale.
This is true. But think about it like this: he could have just killed a helpless John Wick at that point, and instead kept the dog. Even not knowing who John Wick was, why leave a witness you've already beaten half to death? (Because then we wouldn't have a movie to watch, basically.)
@@wyldhowl2821 He's in the acquisition business, not the murder business. He primarily steals cars for a living for Aurelio. Viggo would have a hired assassin to take someone out but then would have had the cleaning crew hired to dispatch of the body. But even then, civilians aren't taken out by the assassins or by any member working under the high table, and John Wick was a civilian, and unknown to Iosef.
TBF: the self fulfilling prophecy is a fairly common thing for villains these days. Kung Fu Panda, Chronicles of Riddick, Harry Potter, etc. The earliest known use of this (but I could be wrong) is the story 'Macbeth' by Shakespeare.
Reminds me of several real life cases where a murderer gets caught after inserting themselves into the case in an attempt to mislead the investigators.
Problem with your points on John Wick is that Yosef didn't know who John Wick really was. Yosef was already an arrogant brat that wanted his father's approval and the whole John Wick franchise would never had happen had he simply kill or beat John into a coma that night.
Yeah, John Wick was a stupid addition to this list. You might as well have included every revenge movie to this list. "All they had to do was not cause the hero to take revenge"
@Zeekay980 and yet Yosef didn't know. Can't be argued that people forgot about him when he first left and got married since that car chop shop owner recognized the car immediately. The only reasonable explanation is that Yosef didn't want to know but even that's a stretch for how the franchise plays out.
@@jeremyblackmouth3323 I didn't mean he's stupid for not knowing who John Wick is. I meant he's stupid for attacking someone without checking if they are anyone serious, or connected to someone who is.
Khan from Star Trek 2. He had every opportunity to leave once he took over the Reliant, but he just *had* to kill/hurt Kirk. After the first attack, he could've left. After getting Genesis, he could've left, but he wanted to finish off the Enterprise. And again, after Kirk was back on his ship, he still could've left because the Enterprise was too damaged to pursue. But he was just too wrathful.
Loki's scheme didn't backfire. He has been in almost all of the Thor movies, and with that, has better lines, his own catchphrase (I am Loki of Asgard, and I am burdoned with glorious purpose!), his own show in which he rewrites the Multi-verse, and possibly a greater fan base than Thor! In short, Loki _fulfilled_ his glorious purpose!
The important part of the prophesy in Kung Fu Panda 2 is that the Soothsayer says that “If you continue on this path…” Lord Shen had a way out and decided to never take it.
Question; would a mob boss, who gets his income from having others pay him tribute, still remain a mob boss if he just ignored anyone who did not want to pay him tribute? If Don Ciccio let everyone refuse to pay tribute he would not have been much of a mob boss would he? Sure, if he never made enemies with anyone, then no one would seek revenge on him. But wouldn't that just be the case for any person, not just Don Ciccio or mob bosses in general?
I mean that makes sense but either he just kills the father as an example for everyone else or kills all the family outright in one swopt as an example, but what is up with him wanting to pick them up almost one by one what does he gets from that?
Castor Troy went to get his brother out of prison. He may have been able to get out of the country after that. Assuming he still could access any hidden resources he may have stashed around the world.
in one sense, Don Ciccio in TGF did not actually err just by killing Vito's father and brother (a debatably sensible move for a Sicilian boss who controls by fear) - he actually foresaw that the young Vito would someday return to Corleone to kill him for revenge, that's why he had his bodyguards seek him out to kill him in the first place. Ciccio's real mistakes were killing his mother (who bought him some time to escape) in front of him while not grabbing the boy first, thus allowing him to flee, and then underestimating his power over the locals, who would hide Vito before sending him by ship to America. Ironically, the entire Corleone family learned nothing from Ciccio's fatal errors, as all but one male repeated it, again and again, to their peril.
Castor Troy wanted to use Sean Archers position though for much more influence than he could as a wanted criminal. He wasn't planning on retiring and was looking after his brother until he was killed.
The Marquis - John Wick 4. Biggest mistake, wanting to take the coup de grace, killing shot on John Wick. John was mortally wounded by another assassin during their duel. Instead of doing nothing/letting John bleed to death. He wants to take the kill shot. Frees the assassin who gave John the fatal wound. Before Winston points out that John hadn’t fired his weapon yet. Which gives John time to shoot the Marquis in the head-killing him instantly.
As an opposite, you should do "Heroes that would have prospered had they not done anything" Nominations being Incredibles and Stars Incredibles because the whole thing for heroes went downhill when he saved that guy...which was always stupid, but looking at the world nowadays its surprisingly realistic unfortunately because those cases actually happen. Also Syndrome, but mostly the one guy. With Star Wars, at least before they tried changing the canon lore to "Rule by 2" from :Rule of 2". Was that only 2 Sith Lords should exist at a given time. Qui Gon, believed this prophecy but misunderstood how it would "bring balance to the force". If he had done nothing, its honestly possible that the Jedi would have still prospered as a government entity. Especially since Qui Gon, and by proxy, Obi Won did Sidious dirty work for him in grabbing and raising Anakin to be a powerful force user. Yes, Darth Maul tracked them to Tattooine, but who knows what could have happened if Anakin was directly trained in the dark side rather than being drawn to it by the anger of having his mother die. Plus, at the time, most of the Jedi believed that the Sith were gone, and thats why they were so skeptical of Qui Gon and the prophecy. So, if they believed the Sith to be gone...what balance? The force is already lopsided in the Jedis favor. If Qui Gon had left things as they were, everything would have been fine for them. But because he intervened and as a result Anakin becomes Vader, he ends up fulfilling that prophecy in a way that was unexpected to Qui Gon. He balances the forced because now, as with the Rule of 2, there was only ever 2 Sith, by the time of the the OG Star Wars trilogy, its true. There are only 2 known Sith, and only 2 known Jedi, Obi Won and Luke. Balance.
Hugo Drax from Moonraker. Bond came to see him to make some basic inquiries about one of his shuttles which had gone missing. He has no reason to suspect that Drax stole his own shuttle at this point. But then Drax repeatedly tries to kill him, and clues Bond in on the fact that he's up to something.
@@ericthompson3982 I'm not even sure I'd call him a psychopath. He's a survivalist and will do what it takes to live BUT he does look out for people he actually ends up caring for. He doesn't kill for pleasure, just to prevent his death or the death of those he cares about
@kristentaylor5359 Even true psychopaths form connections that are important to them. It's rarely about empathy, but it can be, to an extent. I see Riddick as being angry about the ways things and people are taken from him because they were his. Pitch Black, I think, perfectly delineated his sort of pathology. He wasn't the only narcissistic personality in the film, just the most successful. And I think his monologue to the Imam about God is a perfect illustration of where that is rooted. And, let's be fair, he does kill for pleasure, reasonably often. He sort of orchestrates situations that he knows will cause people to come after him, and then takes great pleasure in killing them in the most novel ways possible.
John Wick 2 would have been a better example I think. Iosef was a scumbag criminal doing scumbag things and had no idea who Wick was. Santino in John Wick 2 though, he actually got Wick to do exactly what he wanted in killing Santino's sister, if John wanted to kill him he wouldn't have flown to Italy in the first place and done the job. And instead of letting John go he decided to try and kill him also to tie up a 'loose end' despite the fact John was the greatest hitman and obviously wasn't prone to go around running his mouth about the jobs he'd done.
Eh, most of these list entries are pretty strained. The arguments are so loose that you could apply them to just about anything. For example: "If Caesar hadn't become emperor, he wouldn't have been assassinated. All he had to do was not become emperor!" Literally every effect has some cause, so this isn't really saying anything.
Did you not watch the film? Castor Troy explained quite plainly that he was going to take over the terrorist(?) task force, wipe out all of his enemies, then be the only supplier of arms available. Sean Archer managing to avoid strafing bullets and then a massive swim back from a *prison BLACK SITE* _(which was off government books)_ is a REAL example of plot armour. He should never have been able to escape, So Castor Troy's explanation for taking on the world is completely normal, and something we all should aspire to.
😂😂😂 Ironically, that is the second Travolta movie in which his character pledges to outperform all other terrorists. Swordfish being the other and over there, his character actually succeeds!
Ahh this is the paradox of terminator. Remember tho that the humans had already won. The terminator going back was to make it not happen. Also John could be her bfs kid and not Kyle’s.
@@Chris-yv2iv True but remember John told Kyle his mother taught him how to fight the machines. Not sending the terminator while not the logical solution might have broken the paradox. It was Kyle that taught her how to survive
