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A gut wrenching detail about Icheb's death that would've haunted Seven is that his captors were dissecting him in attempt to recover his Cortical Node. But from the Voyager episode 'Imperfection', we know that Icheb doesn't have a Cortical Node, as he donated his to Seven to save her life.
I'm surprised Picard gunning down the borg with a tommy gun isn't on the list. It's the moment we see Picard's true feelings towards the Borg come out. It's a great moment.
@@NucleusBrain Kelvin timeline is crap and jj even admitted to making his version of star trek to be more like star wars..so fuck him and anyone who thinks its real star trek
@@terryfuldsgaming7995 love the logic. You go even further than other haters by not even counting Voyager as _“real”_ Star Trek. The logic of “if I don’t like it, it’s not real”. ok buddy 🤣 If you want to live your life like that, you go for it, but let the rest of us enjoy the shows without your hate (disagreeing is one thing, but pure hatred is something completely different)
EXACTLY! He brutally sliced through the Kelvin, seeing a body sucked into space, and others blown around, and Nero slicing his sword into Captain Robu, and those Vulcans getting sucked into the massive destruction of Vulcan....oh and where is Enterprise series?? LOTS of revenge on Enterprise, specifically in the Dark Mirrior universe
@@Ithinkiwill66 Dark Mirror Universe doesn't count... as it's anti-star trek... BUUUTTTTTT... Nero destroying Vulcan AND trying to do the same to earth for the death of his wife and unborn child... IS PRETTY FARKING BRUTAL
OK, great list, and I'm really enjoying these videos, but I gotta argue about Sisko here. Sisko didn't go after Eddington because Eddington outsmarted him. He went after Eddington because he betrayed him, and Starfleet. They were close, and Eddington was a Starfleet officer, and just like Janeway, Sisko thinks a Starfleet officer who betrays their oath is the worst kind of scum. It tends to make other Starfleet officers really, really, really mad. Apparently.
How can you include the Kelvin Timeline Khan and exclude DS-9's Blood Oath? That was an 80 year revenge plot by three Klingon Master Warriord and Dax against The Albino
Worf running a bathleth through a dudes chest while his commanding officers yells not to? Worf should be number 1 spot. When he was pissed off, he did not hatch some cunning plan with twists and turns. He picked up a batleth, marched to the room of the offender, and executed him instantly on the spot.
Into darkness., Khan had enough of Admiral.Marcus controlling him , so he smashed Marcus's head, ( personally I was glad, Admiral Marcus was an A hole.)
It's interesting that so often criticism of various films/series focuses around 'Roddenberry made Star Trek as a utopia', completely ignoring that yeah, the Federation was somewhat Utopian, but the Federation interacted with the rest of the Galaxy, which wasn't.
Yes totally. Roddenberry pictured humanity's future as "the American Dream", and everyone else's future as "what happened to the Nazis after WWII" and "ooooo those Ruskies".
There were many deaths in DS9 but none has made me sad more than Mila's death. She's probably Garak's mom, which makes it extra sad. If I was Garak I would've phasered the Founders to oblivion.
Yeah. Even though he's ignorant of the theme and tone issues that remove Discovery and Picard and JJ's toilet bait from even being Trek. I weep for Roddenberry. But yes. I like this host.
A lot of comments here have said how Nero`s destruction of Vulcan should be on this list and I absolutely agree. However it`s for a reason none have mentioned (as far as I can tell). Nero destroyed Vulcan by having it sucked into an artificial black-hole. While it may have appeared to have happened fairly quickly to an outside observer, due to the relativistic effects on time from such immense gravitational forces the deaths of those on Vulcan at the time may have taken anywhere from eons to milliseconds depending on the PoV. Not to mention the spaghettification.
I know it’s been mentioned already, but this is a favorite episode for me. . . I am sad that you didn’t include “Reunion “ where Worf kills Duras for murdering Kheylar. Kheylar is a personal favorite character for me-the half Klingon woman with a biting sense of humor and the struggle to integrate that with her “nasty” Klingon side. I don’t know why she struck a cord with me, but she did. And when Duras killed her, and poor little Alexander had to see her dead body, and Worf’s grief howl. . . As a viewer I wanted to take up a batleth and murder Duras too!!!
@@VuotoPneumaNN you ever had a sword ran though you chest? I'd say it's pretty damn brutal. Also you don't die from it as fast as tv makes it out (unless it hits a artiery going into the heart)
2 more examples 1 kirk killing the Klingon captain who was responsible for the death of his son David in the (Search for Spock) and 2 Commodore Decker being willing to sacrifice the crew of the Enterprise to destroy the machine that killed his crew in the (Doomsday Device) episode of the Original Series.
(Dis)Honorable Mention: Scotty flooding the Tlinghan D7's engine room with tribbles, "The Trouble With Tribbles" -- Star Trek TOS (The Original Series) They're just going to die horrible deaths for being -disgusting- cute. By the millions. I'd say with the ultimate reward being a chuckle -- that's pretty brutal.
One of the most profoundly disturbing examples of revenge in all of Star Trek cannon, in my opinion was the Krenim Imporium from Voyager, who had become obsessed with erasing as many alien civilizations from time as it took to get their vision of justice back which they felt had been stolen from them by the Rilnar. But the logic was circular, since the damage had been done by their own technology, so they had only themselves to blame. But I can see why you left it out of your list... Because it never happened! LOL
@@incogni-bro8276 Because unfortunately, many members of this fandom disagree with me, and would rather take sides and draw lines in the sand than accept that their favorite thing can have things they don't like in it and move along.
@ I don't think in those terms. I just don't believe that lacking elements of one thing in a franchise makes it any less a part of that franchise. If anything, I think trope shakeups and identifiable differences are very healthy for a franchise. Sometimes they end up better or worse than others, but that's left up to interpretation.
The "it's not Star Trek" people drive me bananas. It's all Star Trek. "Star Trek" isn't the same as "something I like." Don't like new Trek? Cool. It's still Star Trek.
Also, Sisko wasn't driven by Revenge. He was fully in control of his actions. He was 'playing the villain' in order to outsmart Eddington. It's in the episode itself. It was a performance.
@@bemasaberwyn55 Which is what Sisko used to his advantage to craft the performance. Eddington was the only one who perceived Sisko's actions as 'revenge' because Eddington has a hero complex.
He still rendered a planet uninhabitable, risking the lives of its former inhabitants in the process, just to get one man. Even though I don't entirely disagree with his reasoning (and found the episode great fun to watch), I still found it a bit extreme.
Sisko did not destroy a planet. He made a planet ceded to the Cardassians uninhabitable to humans. The Maquis had done the same to a Cardaissian planet ceded to the Federation. It was a genius move to capture Edington and that stayed within the confines of the treaty.
I have watched enough Babylon 5, Star Trek, Star Wars, Game of Thrones, The Walking Dead, to understand that vengeance, darkness, and going all bat shit insane in one's quest for whatever, is the best drug ever. The highs and lows are like a roller coaster ride.
Sisko didn't actually destroy the planet, he just made it uninhabitable for the Maquis. The weapon the Maquis had used made the Cardassian planet uninhabitable for Cardassians, and the episode ended with the populations of the 2 planets switching places. As vengeance stories go, it was relatively bloodless. Also, his reason for attacking that planet wasn't an emotional one, it was calculated (which kinda makes it worse). He was playing the role Eddington had picked for him. Eddington constantly brought up Les Miserables, comparing himself to it's protagonist, Jean Valjean, while comparing Sisko to Javert. Sisko figured out that the best way to get to him was to play the part of a villain. He didn't intend to kill any Maquis with his attack, which is why he warned them to evacuate before launching the attack. While Sisko did have an emotional reason to take down Eddington, it was based on the fact that he was Eddington's commanding officer, and he had failed in his responsibilities by not noticing that he was being deceived so he felt responsible to bring him to justice.
Did not Kahn actually look forward to winning a world and building an empire upon his "sentencing" by Kirk in TOS? Khan: Have you ever read Milton, captain?
@@thetowerstillstands Kirk gave Lt. Marla McGivers a choice between court martial or going with Khan and of course she chose to go with him. Khan warned her that it would be a struggle at first even to stay alive. Making sure she understood that her life might be very brief. After Khan and McGivers left, Spock mused that it would be interesting to return to Khan's new world in a hundred years and see what crop had sprung from the seed Kirk planted today. Kirk agreed and that was the end. Kirk made no promise to come back and check and Khan and McGivers knew what brutal conditions they were choosing to face.
Yes, but then the next planet in the system blew up (!) shifting the orbit of the one Khan and crew were dropped on changing it from a world with a future to a desert hell. And Kirk never followed up on his promise to check on how they were doing.
@@gordol66 Kirk never promised to check on Khan in TOS or the movie. In the movie Khan simply says Kirk never bothered to check on him. That doesn't mean Kirk promised to check on him. Khan got better than he deserved for trying to kill Kirk and his crew and rigging the Enterprise to blow up in TOS.
Ohh this was a great video! You are helerious too! This video was well put together! I am not quite sure that well, but I think that of when Worf helped the Klingons to stop the "Albinos" was quite the revenge too, I think if I remember that it was brutal enough as well....oh, and Mother Horta on Star Trek, trying to protect her eggs....revenge against the miners by burning them to death, using her acidic abilities.
The crystalline e tity in "Silicon avStar" is like the vampire cloud creature in the TOS episode "Obsession", or the space ameba in "The Immunity Syndrome": interstellar menaces threatening all planetary life.
That entry about Garak makes no sense. He was never in love with Zyal and made it very clear to her and everyone. And it was Damar who killed her... And he allied with Damar against the founders! Him killing Weyoun was an act of revenge for the wreckage the founders were doing of Cardassia, it had nothing to do with Zyal or his exile...
And you believe the words of a known and self-admitted liar? Especially one that hides his feelings behind fifty layers of duranium as a matter of professionalism?
@@swishfish8858 Yes. Everything he says is true. Especially the lies. But seriously, nothing in the show leads to think his main point of vengeance was Zyal. Especially since she wasn't killed by the Dominion, but by Damar. He is a stone-cold liar, but he is also a patriot, and the whole show is filled with episodes in which he is actually very candid about his feelings, especially in season 7. Especially in the finale, in which he seems rather upset by the massacre.
@ After the fight, Spock did ask Kirk if he "enjoyed it." To which Kirk replied, "Yes, I enjoyed it. The one thing I wanted to do after all these years was beat the tar out of Finnegan."👊👍😎
@ I love "Shore Leave," too. Earlier in this episode there is an interesting insight into Kirk's academy days when Kirk tells McCoy that he was "grim." Meaning the young Kirk was a very serious student. And that seriousness made Finnegan's pranking of Kirk all the more fun for Finnegan. I wish this insight could be revisited and we could look back and see some of Finnegan's pranking of young Kirk🤣
I thought the most disturbing thing I saw, that was the very first I saw that gave me the creeps, seeing the dead bodies on the USS Exeter, where all of the crew members turned into crystalized nothingness. I know not really revenge, but this was still death, and disturbing....well maybe kind of the universe's revenge against the Starfleet....specially those days wearing red 😳
Right. If she hadn't killed it, were they simply going to ask it to starve itself to death? The thing sterilizes organic planets for a living! How is it any different than the Doomsday Machine? Also, it didn't come out of nowhere. There has to be an entire race of crystalline entities somewhere.
Where is Worf? He killed Duras in revenge for killing K'Ehleyr. And where is Kor, Koloth and Kang? They hunted down and killed the murderer of their sons decades after it happened. And do not forget Kirk, who was obsessed of destroying the dikironium cloud for killing many of the crew of the USS Farragut.
Thanks for pointing out how weird it is that Bjayzl looks very similar to Deanna Troi. That was weird for me, too, and I also thought she must be related before she was killed off. It seems highly unlikely, considering the fact that she was killed so off-handedly, but still. Weird they would choose an actress who looked so similar to a young Marina Sirtis.
Gul Dukat is one of those shades of gray charachters in the Star Trek universe who is a hero villain and plays the good guy in some episodes and the bad guy in others and appears in TNG and DS9.
Isn't it fascinating how surgeons can apparently make any humanoid species appear as another, even changing the very skull of a Cardassian to make him look Bajoran, but it's not possible to heal a couple of burn scars?
I'm sorry, I just can't with Janeway. I think she's a bad captain that put her crew at unnecessary risk and continues to do so in attempts to make up for it. But I think I need to do a rewatch of Voyager before I totally commit to that opinion.
@@swishfish8858 i feel she had the perfect level of morals and Grit for the situation her and her crew were tossed into. At least she wasn't killing aliens like that other Captain just to get fuel.
AlteringRealitystudios I love her. Yes that 2 part episode Equinox was just on the all treks 6 days a week channel. Yes another starfleet ship stuck in the delta quadrant
I don’t think you’re number two on this list technically be called an act of revenge. If anything it is Sisco getting down on the level of Michael Edington. And if it were a act of revenge he would have not sent out the warning to the planet before he launched the poison. He gave them plenty of time to evacuate. They didn’t believe him. So anyone who died from that the responsibility is on their heads. They chose to think that because he was Starfleet he would not do it. Never underestimate Starfleet captains. The only horrible captain was captain Catherine Janeway.
The Conscience of the King, TOS. Lenore's murder of anyone who can ID her father as Kodos is effectively destroys him. Rather than save him, she leaves even more blood on his hands.
You mentioning Sisko's darker actions makes me think that could also be a list: The worst things our favourite starfleet captains ever did. TBH Benjamin Sisko could be at least twice on the list. Once for the one you mentioned here and a second time for spreading fake informations and killing a romulan diplomat in order to sway romulus to turn on the dominion.
1-Janeway did everything possible, yeah right. What about giving Harry Kim a promotion? If she can make Marquis terrorists as her first officer and as Lieutenants, why wont she give him a promotion in seven years? She could have made him a Lieutenant (junior grade) as a field promotion at season 5!
As a rule, I'm not wild about the Abrams films. BUT...In "Star Trek: Into Darkness" get get to see Spock as we never saw him in TOS. I have often wondered, with his incredible Vulcan Strength, just what would happen if he ever lost his temper completely against some enemy. In this film we actually get to see it. So...Yeah...I like this one.
The Vengeance Factor is a terrible example because it could have been solved by: Riker: Slaps comm badge Riker: Riker to Enterprise. Lock on to Uta and beam her to the brig. Fin.
Its more than likely been said a dozen times. But I'd argue Sisko's darkest revenge was against the dominion. He engaged in a plot that could have guaranteed the destruction of the federation and the loss of all its Allies, when he participated in a murder of a Romulan general/ senator. He knew what our favorite tailor would do. He knew exactly. Honorable mention to convincing God's to murder millions of Dominion people in the wormhole. If a "bad guy" Did that to the federation it would be the most horrendous thing and we'd scream how unfair it was ;)