10 Notorious Star Trek Urban Legends 

I was just getting ready to tag you on Twitter about this I'm glad you seen it.

@@EPogue6 *saw it.

Where?

You crop up everywhere.... are you an hologram?

I've missed something. What have I missed?

Jon Meyer would love to see that! Is it here on RU-vid somewhere?

@@christopherharris5328 I saw it decades ago on some cable TV site. It wouldn't surprise me if it's on RU-vid, but I've no idea how to find it.

I saw him talking about being at a stoplight, and the guy in the next car reacting.

"Spock to bridge..."

Cell phone: *rings* Leonard Nimoy: *looks around and answers* I can't talk right now Jim, I am surrounded by 20th century civilians *hangs up and looks around again*

I'm always in awe of the mini computer now fitting in my hand, my smartphone. Bigger capacities than the computers that send men on the moon with!

I can recall interviews with Patrick Stewart where he praises Hardy and talks about how he's going to be a big actor and specifically says he knows everyone says that kind of thing, but he was genuinely impressed by him.

Same

I don't think anyone realky knew him at the time. He's one of those actors you see in videos about big actors in roles you didn't remember. I remember at most 5 years ago I saw mentioned in a video that it was him and I was surprised.

Andreas Katsulas was the actor who played Tomalak . He also played my favorite non Star Trek sci fi character ambassador G'Kar on Babylon 5 was diagnosed with Lung Cancer in late 2005. He would spend the next year of his life battling it before losing the war in 2006. He was working on a project that might lead to getting G'kar his own Spin off at the time of filming nemesis. Sadly it just ended up as a Babylon 5 one off TV movie called Legend of the Rangers .

Yeah. People blame actors for bad writing. Just look at star wars.

@@ArronRatliff No one ever seems to remember his other work...such as his VA work for the video game Primal, alongside the actress that played Callisto from Xena/Hercules (and who's name escapes me for the moment).

Sela

I can actually see that working.

I think Eddie should have played the part of the chick who looked like Elisabeth Shue, and had a gay relationship with Kirk.

@@jondunmore4268 ..that seems to come more from your dreams or nighmaires....

Check out the homophobia on @@razor1uk610 !

Great idea :D :D :D Chekov: I do not know your name. FBI agent: You know what ELSE everybody likes? Parfaits! Have you ever met a person, you say, "Let's get some parfait," they say, "Hell no, I don't like no parfait."? Parfaits are delicious! Chekov: ??? FBI agent: We can stay up late, swapping manly stories, and in the morning, I'm making waffles! Chekov: ??? May I go now?

Another in-universe reason is that she wasn't invited given how she left.

@@robertt9342 Fair point. She did point a phaser at Riker and threatened to kill him if I remember the scene right. She then betray the rest of the fleet to the maque. I can see why she wouldn't exactly get an invite to the wedding.

Nope, reason was she was filming Battlestar Galactica in the role of Admiral Cain. Her role in BSG had serious meat and was one of the best written characters in a brilliant series. Why take time out of that to contribute a few seconds to ST???

@@Archangelglenn - Sir, the name of the anti-Cardassian resistance group is The Maquis, which is from the French language during World War II, I believe. Good comment, by the way.

According to the novels she survived the culling and took Odos job at DS9 when he left to lead the Dominion.

That's exactly what happened.

Yeah. That really kinda makes the whole mainstream notion that that cast doing the conventions were just lame has-beens clinging to their fame, look different knowing that they were just trying to make up for the money they got cheated out of by the studio

Also explains why they were acting in Star Trek movies well in to their late 50s.

And made great canon fodder in Galaxy Quest.

That's not entirely true - actors had been getting Residuals since the early days of television (Peter Graves was getting residual checks for a series in the 50s called FURY into the 1970s), But the way Residuals worked originally was that actors only got them for the first EIGHT times a show aired after its original airing. The popularity of STAR TREK was such that the cast very quickly ran through the airing they got residuals for. Even so, originally only a few of the cast did the Convention circuit, most notably DeForrest Kelley, who as an older actor with fewer casting opportunities gave it a try and, to his pleasant surprise, made about as much as he did playing Dr. McCoy per year doing conventions! He was the one who convinced Grace Lee Whitney, by then someone who was barely getting by, to join him at a few conventions -- and she quickly became almost as popular has he was! The three years later Shatner is talking about was when SAG renegotiated Residuals to be paid EVERY time a show was rerun, in light of the increased popularity of repeating television shows in syndication. Unfortunately, that renegotiation wasn't grandfathered - however, it included their voices for ST: THE ANIMATED SERIES. By the time of the movies, most of the cast started to do the convention circuit as well, largely to promote the films. Nimoy was a long-time holdout, only changing his mind when he started to direct & produce as well as star in the movies....

Indeed. He was one of the few highlights of that film.

His performance was fine, the problem was the entire premise of his character, and the idea that the Romulans would enslave their clone after ditching the plan, rather than just killing it.

it really seemed intimate, like hearing soneone you know reveal their inner truth at last... A dynamic personality to begin with, I sense that it was _so_ good, because Tom allowed some of his real personality and inner angst to seep into the performance...

I am one of few that actually liked Nemesis and I am glad I m not the only one that liked Hardy in the role.

@@stephenmonachello4132 I like parts of it. The expanded Romulan lore, Hardy's performance and the end battle. But B4 should have been Lore. The opening chase was a waste of time and most of the cast is just there to fill the screen.

The way it was shot didn’t make it seem like a movie. It seemed like a forgettable episode at best because of the shot- reverse shot. It was not cinematic feeling at all despite how badly it wanted to seem like a grand movie of a man facing a dark version of himself. Guess that’s the downside to hiring the editor from the tomb raider movie as your director.

I don't think his performance was terrible at all and it's horrible that he contemplated suicide over this. Must have been devestating for him, especially regarding him being a Trek Fan himself.

benjbk Yeah wtf doesn’t make sense

It sucked because it had no rooting in the spirit of TNG **edit** Which is to say, it had the feel of the Klingon Civil War arc, but with Romulans, rather than building upon the final season of TNG.

I'd disagree. He seemed to young and inexperienced as an actor.

I’m surprised that they would even have considered killing off Kirk with McCoy and Spock nearby. Star Trek V was my least favorite movie, but the best quote/sentiment from the film was Kirk telling them (after nearly falling to his death during a mountain climb) ... “I knew I wouldn’t die because the two of you were with me”. Made sense to me that the death scene was with Scotty and Chekov - even if it wasn’t by intention.

Not having Bones and Spock in Generations was bad enough, but killing off Kirk was a huge mistake. Especially in the way they did it. The original way they did was worse and they had to rewrite the death of Kirk because test audiences were pissed. Generations could have been great but could have been way better. The fan geek in me would have wanted them to somehow get the entire TOS cast with the TNG. That would have been cool.

Yes, you'd think they would've learned their lesson after the mistake all those years earlier of going into "ST: The Motion Picture" without a polished script.

DrakeAurum yes, it was hugely disrespectful to Walter and James characters. The guy directing was a STNG guy, and seems to of paid little regard to the TOS crew. The dialogue between Scotty and Kirk, about Kirk not enjoying retirement was obviously meant to be a Kirk/Bones moment, but it just died on screen instead. In a deleted scene, Chekhov even says to Kirk, you missed your spot by 25metres, so obviously a Spock Statement. And in another they’d given Bones and Spock a genuine moment of sadness at Kirks apparent death, (obviously this time between Chekhov and Scotty) and this didn’t even make it into the movie ! A poor way to end the original series movies. In my opinion the scenes with them in were far superior to the Next Generation crews.

Jason that’s what I hoped when I went to the cinema, so disappointed.

To me it made sense that Starfleet was transitioning from the TNG uniforms into the DS9/Voyager uniforms. It didn't seem out of place to me.

Yep. The character has it packed away as an excuse to not answer calls from his mom (I think).

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Yes, seriously though!

Agreed. And I'm saying that as one of about a dozen people that enjoy the movie.

Agreed. His acting shows actual effort and earnest. The writing was just terrible.

Yes, his part always stood out to me. I also liked the film. Bit of a shock to hear there's so much hate for it... This is why I never pay attention to reviews and opinions!

@@lovipoekimo176 Are you putting him in the same category as Ben Affleck in Daredevil and Halle Berry in Catwoman? Roles and lines that are so bad no actor could save them, no matter how good they are?

Smart phone and Ipads are direct copies of the P.A.D.D Picard and crew used in the Next Gen. Steve Jobs said so himself he got the idea directly from Next Gen

They did.

@@JohnDlugosz Really? Never seen one or heard of it.

CaseAgainstFaith1 its Bluetooth connected to your real phone

@@2bituser569 I have one. Really cool.

Robert Brown does it work well? I use the boatswain whistle for my incoming text messages.

That was a good episode. Glad they managed to get the Excelsior crew back.

He was also in deep space nine

He was also originally the actor that was going to play Geordi in TNG before Le'Var got the role!

He was also in Generations....but wait, a Vulcan or human on the Enterprise B?🧐🧐🤨🤨🤔🤔

@@Ithinkiwill66 in the clip, you'll see that Tim is portraying a human character.

Yeah my brain had to process that twice...like did he say what I heard?

Should of made a movie: "Star Trek, ANOTHER 48 Warp Speed Hours!"

I think he'd be really good in a serious role in a GOOD Star Trek movie.

He really does Maybe he should have been in Star Trek 5 or 6

Eddie Murphy as a Q. Nuffsed

@@RideAcrossTheRiver That´s the most brilliant idea I´ve ever heard

movie fatigue? lol. Only a non-Trek fan could think such a thing. True Trekkers are always starving for good, well-written Trek...so much so that we often resort to writing and shooting our own! The problem w/Nemesis was the STORY and the way the characters were written... as is often the case w/latter day Trek. Its hard to live up to a legend (...and imposssible when the execs don't care to try), and a fair bit of the material we've seen doesn't.

The undiscovered country was a good finale for the original Star Trek cast. Generations kind of sucked.

@@purpleslog, Worst movie of the entire lot. I thought V had problems but, Final Frontier had tonnes of what Bill wanted in it cut out, tiny budget that was receding for the entire production. Generations had NO excuses. As Leonard Nimoy said, 'I did not appear in it because it was rubbish!', I heartily agreed. Kill off The Picards JUST to give Jean Luc a fuzzy feeling of family in the Nexus. Make Data laugh, badly. Some Grandpa kills off Captain Kirk in a pitiful scene, they destroy the Enterprise D JUST to give them a new ship in the next film, then blow up Lursa & Betor on General Chang's Bird Of Prey. The only two scenes I liked were, Worf's promotion and Data finding Spot at the end. The only film I did not see (on advice) in the Cinema.

The irony about this? Neither Nimoy nor DeForest came with Shatner to the set, despite being rather close friends. Doohan and Koenig in the other hand had been most vocal about Shatner's antics and even disliked him openly. And yet they agreed to work with him once more while Shatner's friends didn't. I still find this irony quite amusing yet a bit sad.

That movie is awful. All of the TNG movies are varying degrees of bad. That just had the misfortune of being the worst. But you do you, Vaderfett! Never apologize for what you love!

Damnit sir, you WILL try.

I will never apologize for loving The Final Frontier. Not over others mind you but I get the hate just it wasn't that bad for me.

I'm a network engineer. Back in the 1990's I had a contract to update the networks at Paramount. I met Shatner and he was kind of a jerk but I was a bigger jerk and he laughed. He was cool after that.

I stopped feeling bad about the TOS cast not getting royalties after i saw the George Takei documentary and he made 30k+ for photo ops and autographs in one weekend at a con. When it showed his hubby handling the huge stacks of cash and figuring the taxes i was like yea OK Sulu is getting pa pa paid son.

Bubba Ratliff While they can rake that money in there was no guarantee of that in the late 60’s.

@@2bituser569 name one guarantee in life besides death and taxes.

@@2bituser569 No there wasn't but they signed contracts anyway. There were lots of stars of the golden age that didn't get paid what they should have. Though cons came along and gave them the chance to rake it in. Sadly way to many ended up penniless and died a paupers death.

And we ended up with Whoopie Goldberg. LOL

Hey! She actually did a great job as Guinan. She pulled off the wise old bartender schtick quite well.

@@NotContinuum Definitely not going to argue with that! It's just intriguing that they could have gone with a much higher profile actor. No one could have done a better job at Guinan than Whoopie.

@@myozbubble I believe they created the role for her after she asked if she could have a cameo. She's a Trek fan. She had no idea that the role would be recurring.

I would have loved that especially if he played him closer to Glen Corbitt's version

That hair was already in the process of divorcing Shatner and suing for residuals in the first series. 🤣

@@BruinPhD2009 The hair later went on to work with the CIA they say and saved our world several times but all in secret.

You should see DJO do it.. they add pump shotgun sounds to it LOL a real riot.

Urban legends are just stories passed around that are unverifiable (or at least unverified). They don't have to be untrue.

@@ModernClassic except many of these were just things that actually happened.

@@ModernClassic There's already a word for that, apocryphal.

@@patrickmccurry1563 I know, because there's nothing in the world with more than one word for it, right?

@@patrickmccurry1563 Apocryphal has a different shade of meaning: a story to improbable it couldn't be literally true, can only be taken as allegory.

Star Trek characters had many layers of plot armor to protect and resurrect them when needed.

There were likely still survivors who were away on their own missions, or in prisons, or undercover somewhere else.

Then again, she was a Bajoran...she might of went through the wormhole, somehow without anyone on DS9 noticing this, and escape with the Prophets...no one knows for sure.

There were survivors and someone as resourceful as Ro could have easily survived.

@@Paulafan5 That sounds like wishful thinking. The Dominion were pretty ruthless. It's not a stretch to see them destroying a planet to eradicate the Maquis. In the mundane world, Michelle Forbes no longer was interested in playing the character, CBS isn't likely to recast. So Ro Laren is essentially dead.

Now that was a great choice on Murphy's part. About as brilliant as Dr. Doolittle and the Klumps.

What Norbit!?

Yeah, I can see that. Still, there was also a 2-piece (shirt & pants) version. I imagine that the people who were assigned the 2-piece version considered themselves lucky!

@@bazzokzwattom2655 yeah, but probably not by much

Heard that too. Am I the only one who LOVES the uniforms from ST II to VI (and a bit VII)? They look like something the BRITISH NAVY would have issued in the 19th century, but they still look cool and scifi-like even today ...

@@michaelgiertz-rath7994 they're definitely a far cry from the TMP era Starfleet Uniforms

He chose wisely.

@@KEVMAN7987 I understood that reference.

Yep and Sha ka Ri was a nod to him.

Connery would have been distracting.

Indeed. The problem was never with him personally, but the script. The first two thirds of the movie is fairly solid (minus the buggie scene), but then the third act just completely gives up on any characterisation whatsoever and turns Shinzon into a complete moron. None of which is Tom Hardy's fault.

@@WordsofIvory Yes. That's true. Not the greatest movie ever, for sure. Really liked his Mad Max take.

Picard's Wrath of Khan moment undone by the final 45 minutes.

@@varianschirmer9375 Honestly, I'd have to re-watch it, it's been so long since I saw it.

@@grokeffer6226 yeah it was great you could occasionly hear him sound like Gibson to help connect it to the other movies but at the sametime he made the role his own

I do NOT understand everyone's hatred of Hardy in Nemesis. It wasn't a great role and the writing was mediocre, but he did a great job with what he had. And his attention to Patrick Stewart's mannerisms paid off.

I agree TMP is underrated. Nemesis, eh, not so sure.

Rewatching Nemesis recently, I loved Tom Hardy's performance. It's a shame that many critics at the time hated the performance, but I for one loved it.

In my opinion. The motion picture was just too slow to get started. After that it was fine. The movie I didn't like was Insurrection.

Reason?

I still have a Star TAC, not that it can be used any any network today.

@@brownro214 I still have mine somewhere.

This was documented in an issue of Premiere magazine. Apparently lawyers were present for the burning of the negatives.

What is it about female Vulcan characters posing nude on the set? Seems to be a constant source of mischief during the Original movie era.

Never heard this one. I wish I could get a hold of these pictures for research purposes.

@@JohnDlugosz What other female Vulcan's are you referring to? AFAIK, only Kim Cattral did the nude shoot on a Star Trek set.

@@jimmym3352 😂❤🖖

Agreed. Its not bad except the Riker/Troi honeymoon scenes.

@@vernicesyers5021 It didn't really feel much like Star Trek, I kinda liked it but didn't think it was great, it felt like a fairly generic Sci Fi movie. It was really just alot of action with very little story and character development like most of the other Trek movies.

I read that too! It was a really good book, and my favorite moment was when Picard and Storm were walking in the corridor of Enterprise talking and he mentions not having the patience to be a teacher. Hilariously ironic scene, given both he and Xavier are played by the same actor!

Huh..I remember that orbital skydiving bit from the novelizaton. Didn't realize they'd actually filmed it.

That particular scene was used in the novel.

VulpisFoxfire it’s easy enough to find online. Very poor quality recording, and so obviously meant for McCoy and Spock. But I quite enjoyed the humour.

They're on the horizon.

Are there 10 good Voyager episodes though? 🤣

@@LazzaRuss there was way more then ten good episodes of voyager hell seasons 4,5 and 6 where, in my opinion, three of the best seasons of star trek ever.

@@TrekCulture I feel like I just got a promotion lol

@@TrekCulture It may be a long time, getting from there to here, but we'll have faith of the heart that the episodes are coming!

Someone was photographed in the UK watching porn on a commuter train.

@@nicholasburns729 So? As long as it was legal porn... probably a grey area.

"The porn on the bus goes round and round...."

This is why I love RU-vid. The content and comments.

@@StefanTravis OH yeah!

Heinlein’s novel Space Cadet from the 50s has small mobile phone tech.

Yes, Well there should be mention of early "car phones" (really Two way Radio's), but as with technology it Shrinks & Improves ... A quote from a Wiki of 2 Way Radio "The first truly mobile two-way radio was developed in Australia in 1923 by Senior Constable Frederick William Downie of the Victorian Police", it took up the rear seat, but in 1940's it was a Hand Piece & Backpack, (The Walkie-Talkie), until we got to where we are now ... Star Trek Lore I see, as More possible lately is from DS9 Episodes Past Tense 1 & 2, America breaks down, becomes a Police State run for the wealthy, Homeless & Unemployed are moved into "Sanctuary Blocks", and called Gimmees & Dims, ( Welfare Recipients & Mentally Ill), Sisko, Dax & Bashir get flipped back in time, to help with Riots, that eventually topple the system, and start the the moves towards building the Federation & Planetary Peace, but it is only Fiction ...

Yes. "Allegedly". Ba-Da-Dum-Bum-Tisssssssssss................

Y’all just made my day! LOL!

You only hear about the people who agreed to low pay but a large percentage of profits or some other future benefits when the film becomes a huge hit, like your George Lucas example. I'm sure there have been plenty of actors, directors, etc., who made similar deals but the film ended being a huge flop and they would have been better off just accepting a higher salary.

If more people knew you liked it, I'm sure it would be more highly thought of.

Less than stellar story + death of Data with a "cheap replacement". No, seriously. The story was substandard. The Motion Picture is, in fact, a standard episode enlarged to theatre format, but never had much story to speak about. The best movies appear to be ST II to IV - which can be named "Spock Trilogy". ST V tried hard but couldn't convince anyone due it's overall bad story idea. ST VI is one of the best movies out there imho. ST VII fell flat again: while the story itself wasn't too bad, the movie didn't do either crew a favor. ST VIII (FIrst Contact) is considered the best Trek movie of all times - something "Insurrection" couldn't hope to get close to. Still, IX wasn't too bad, it simply lacked some love. And then we had Star Trek X, Nemesis. Nemesis lacked in most departments that makes a movie enjoyable: story, character development, etc. Doppelganger stories are overused and seem to be put in place to answer a question nobody ever asks: "what if X had to fight X!Clone - who would win?" This very basic idea has been used since ancient times and doesn't feel fresh and new in our days anymore. Characters weren't used properly. In fact, the movie would have worked with a limited cast: Picard, Riker, Data and Picard!Clone and his Henchman. Seriously, that's it. Everyone else could have been cut from the movie and the story would still work. Therefore most of the TNG-crew are simply there to appear in a couple of scenes but don't add anything to the story. The Enterprise (most powerful ship in the quadrant) suddenly runs into some ship that's simply "overkill": the Scimitar is massively oversized yet still fast and agile as a much smaller ship. It comes with enough weaponry to pulverize any other ship with one volley. Plus it can't be tracked due it's cloaking device which is advanced enough to stay active while firing weapons. Wasn't the ship even built in secret? How comes the Tal Shiar never got an idea that thing exists? And even if the Federation doesn't use money, the Romulans still do. Who paid for that thing? Nemesis comes with so many logical issues and plot holes, you could fit in the entire Borg space. And Data? Data dies. Just to be replaced by his technologically inferior brother which is another "Spiner"-Android. Brent Spiner once said he couldn't do Data's role anymore due his advancing age: Androids don't age, actors do. While I understand the dying part, I don't get why the writers didn't opted for a different actor doing B4's role ... you know, just in case they ever wanted to make another TNG-movie. They never did. Well. And if they had waited for another 12 years or so, CGI make-up would've been a thing and Data could have been dea-ged back to Mission Farpoint looks ...

It's just not a very good movie. There are a few deleted scenes that would have made Nemesis better than what it was.

We finally get a movie with the Romulans, but instead of getting Romulans, we get a human and a race we never heard about before. They're just somewhat generic bad guys, and nowhere near as interesting and devious as the Romulans. It's also another "Earth is in danger" scenario. Star Trek 1 and 4 did that well because there was another aspect to it that gave you something to think about, but in Nemesis it didn't make much sense why Shinzon would go after Earth other than to fulfill his role as an villain. Tom Hardy did a great job, but the story just wasn't as interesting as it could have been. I think the Tal Shiar initiating a coup d'état before peace negotiations would have made a more interesting story. There would be a Prime Directive dilemma, sympathetic Romulan characters, and questions about how much of what was happening might be a ruse to hide what the Romulans were actually trying to accomplish.

Same.

As will i. Yes, the movie has problems, but I really like it. I saw it in theaters and no regrets about paying for a ticket.

More than 3 people liked Nemesis.

In another timeline everyone liked it and it was a huge success (in the minds of the studio executives)

The haters can lick me Polish balls, I liked Nemesis. I just wished they had some sweet full frontal of Troi. Titties yum yum :-)

@@Moondog-wc4vm You must be talking about Nutrek. That's widely hated, but the executives don't want to acknowledge it.

Catherine Hicks is so damned cute.

And those that weren't turned themselves in to the Federation to escape death.

@@KEVMAN7987 ah, I had forgotten that part. So Picard could have arranged her temporary release from prison in order to attend Riker's wedding? You know Picard would *totally* do it.

I think he has an admiral's pin.

Glad I'm not the only one

I got the same, think its just compromise for the sake of a youtube video title "Ten things about star trek some of which are urban legends some of which are true" doesn't appease the clicks.

you and me both (then again, i love all the Star Trek Movies)

I liked it.

No like...at all. But cool that you do.

Nonya Bizz - Well, I guess, I am the 2nd one that love Nemesis.

You are. 🤣🤣