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When I saw Tarkov at number 10 I knew this list is going to be brutal. Some of the games in this list is actual work. I bet most of the jobs are easier than playing these games
DCS is no joke, I play it in VR, learned the F/A 18, my wife was laughing when I was reading all the manuals for it. VTOL VR is much more fun and much easier learning curve, granted doesn’t have HOTAS support, which does suck.
As a kerbal player, i think they’ve massively undersold the actual complexity of the game, especially when it comes to calculating manoeuvres manually, and understanding orbits,delta-v,and gravity influence, i used to think the hardest part was going to the farthest planets, but honestly making a geostationary satellite took about 200 hours alone
@@malmarshall4933 I’ve never played, but if it’s like DCS in terms of what you have to understand, then it could easily be harder then it, as it’s real rocket science
@@JamesCook76131 controls certainly can be in depth, and this might just be because ive played the game for 5 or so years, but i feel like tjeres a lot of automised mechanics (auto-stabilising, auto manoeuvre etc)so from my admittedly biased opinion i reckon DCS is wayyy more complex
My father spent years learning the flight controls for just two types of aircraft from one release of MFS there were technical manuals and flight plans all over the place 😂 ❤
Elite Dangerous is also a game that isn’t so new player friendly. It has a very steep learning curve and the controls if you’re on a controller is difficult, especially when you get into fire groups. And since you’re limited by the few buttons of the controller, you end up have a lot of fire groups, and switching between them can be a hassle.
I found elite to be really simple star wars/atmospheric style flight. Pretty simple to get the hang of. Star citizen is a whole nother deal because space flight feels authentic and when you do enter an atmosphere you get more appropriate flight mechanics for that as well.
What mate? The controls on console is so intuitive.. i cant imagine playing it with KBM. Easy to learn, somewhat hard to master if you decide to go hard in PvP with FAO and correct loadouts. Fire groups aint hard to setup nor switch between unless you're a boomer used to being carried or mindless press single buttons, slow as a sloth.
I love how they get to a new entry and you're like "how are they going to top this for inaccessibility?" And then the next game is numerous degrees more difficult to even comprehend.
I'd like to clarify how insurance works in Tarkov: It's not: If you die you get it back. It is: If you die and its insured AND no one loots it, you get it back.
I love playing Arma 3. Even with hardcore Sim mods. I remember learning the huge amount of controls you have for every vehicle, soldier and weapon. One day I started playing missions with mods like ACE with advanced medic systems, TFAR and advanced movement. It was like learning everything again but was worth it ❤️
I miss seeing new Armored Core games. You had to use almost every button very often which meant moments that you had release the thumbs sticks while firing to reach them without a special controller. The campaign was easy for all of them, it was the arena which became multiplayer where things got crazy. If a mech had an anime character emblem made from the rudimentary tools and shapes you knew they were coming for your soul.
Elite:Dangerous should also make the list. Really steep learning curve, players and NPCs can interdict you and engage in combat without warning, players can go bankrupt if their ships get destroyed too many times without enough credits for insurance.
Another great video from gameranx. There always well researched and the passion is always felt. From the voice actor to the editors , researchers and writers. The love of gaming always shines through.
Sekiro for me personally was absolutely nuts as a new player. It was my first from software game to experience and it was tough and the fights against Owl Father or Sword Saint were bloody brutal and caused many rage quits. It's a beautiful masterpiece but man , that is a tough game for new players with some really difficult bosses plus unlike Soulsborne or Elden ring , Sekiro doesn't have summons so everything has to be done solo. Worth playing though :)
@@Grapefruit5000 The great thing about Sekiro is once you get the hang of it you can completely crush enemies/bosses that gave you huge problems earlier. In my fist playthrough it took me HOURS to beat the great ape boss. In my second about a year later I got him first try. And I was still prepared for taking hours once again.
So many of my favourite games on that list. The Arma and the old OF games are great and you are right about the friendly player base. That game always reminds me about my military training, dying without knowing what's going on... 😁 Eve I find very relaxing. I spend hours over hours just mining peacefully and enjoying the soundtrack. DF is actually not that difficult if you pick the right areas. It's the menu that frustrates me. Aurora is really on another level. I still can't get the hang of it and you have to be a special kind of person to enjoy it.
I bought Kerbal shortly after building my first ever rig in 2014. I refunded it almost immediately when I realised I didn't have a clue what I was doing :D Similarly I did the same with Arma 3. I only bought it for the "life" mod and then realised how difficult it was to even get a character registered... refunded that too. They were 2 of my first games I bought, and I refunded them both within a day of buying them.
KSP is easy - just strap on more boosters. If the rocket is wobbly, add struts. Get your staging right so that first stage starts before the second stage. Done. For orbits, look up a 30 min video or tutorial - it's actually pretty easy. Unless you start adding realism mods on top of mods it shouldn't be that big of a deal. My problem with the game is that there is no story or plot - I am hoping that KSP2 will add that.
DCS World is actually not as hard as you describe it, there are options (game mode) to turn down the realistic controls of the plane, and there are also auto startup (and shutdown) sequences that start-up the aircraft for you, you can literally just press a button and the aircraft starts itself up. Furthermore, not all of the jets in DCS World are full-fidelity modules, which means you don't need to or can't click any of the buttons in the cockpit, which is much more new player-friendly. There are also full built-in tutorials of each aircraft teaching you the basics. However, just like most games, being good at it does actually require hundreds of hours of practicing.
Technically isn't DCS a study simulator rather than a game ? I know lots of people enjoy it as a game but the prices and complexity would lean it towards being a study sim.
@@nomustacheguy5249 DCS is both a game as @ Rick Y described, and a study sim. It gives you variety--from simple to complex. You decide how much you want to learn, for example, to fly the challenging Mi-24P Hind helicopter, or learn the complex weapons system on the A-10C II, or the more simply older jets, but less complex, such as the MiG-21bis, and down to the Flaming Cliffs 3 aircraft set--such as the MiG-29 and F-15C among others. These latter planes come with simplified weapon systems, non-clickable cockpits, although they do have PFM's.
@@nomustacheguy5249 Yes, DCS is a Study Sim, althoug some of the modules (the former "Lock-On: Modern Air Combat" planes) does not have the same level of relism and complexity of the others and hence are quite simple to learn and use.
A friend of mine is super in flight sims and always wanted to be become a pilot. His brother is a certified aircraft maintenance engineer, so it’s thing that runs in the family. He’s got a pretty beefy pc with like a flight stick controller and they both constantly run flights and spend hours flying different planes. Recently he was like “dude I gotta show you this new flight sim I’ve got” turns out it’s DCS world. He had me try out a fighter jet, take off, arm missiles, and take down other planes. He said he spent hours looking up tutorials and reading aircraft manuals just learn how to start the damn thing. But yeah it is definitely a must have if you’re super into flight simulation and are willing to put in a lot of work, it’s pretty fun!
Some complex RTS style games in this list. I can confidently say that my favorite community is in Planetary Annihilation. It's like a Supreme Commander spiritual successor. The game has a miniscule competitive scene but it is hard-core. Long term support has been phenomenal; the community runs it, cause the publisher and developers dropped the ball on content and support.
I remember playing a flight simulator when I was young . I used to love it but I would end up slamming into the ground trying to dive bomb a target bc I wasn't sure how else to line up an approach. fun times. That last one would be insanely hard
Armored Core takes me back. I finished almost all of those games, but the shift in style in Armored Core 5 turned me off. I hope From Soft brings the franchise back one day.
Escape from tarkov took me 4 months before I could call myself solid and grounded. Never had a game take me anywhere near that. I'm generally top tier at any FPS survival games. But this game tested my patience in ways no other game besides SCUM.
I can say, with a small grin, that I have sunk many hours into almost every game on this list. DCS seemed too expensive because of all the modules, and I've never heard of Aurora until now.
the modules go on sale all the time and new players get a discount on there first purchases i got my f-16 for $30 its the gear that gets expensive hotas VR headset and you need a pretty decent pc to run it smoothly
@@dawnkeyballs4898 must just be my setup than I'm running a liquid cooled Threadripper system 32gb ram rx580 gpu on low settings and still only get 30 fps with bad frame pacing or maybe its an oculus issue
Rust is also a difficult game for new for players especially when you enter to a server you'll encounters so much toxic players to sweats that you'll lose all of your progression immediately
I admit I would have loved to see Noita on this list, but I also love seeing other game just as if not just insanely more difficult than Noita! Phenomenal vid, loved it
Armored Core is one of my favorite series ever made and it's ROUGH at first. But once you master it. It's such a fun and rewarding game. Surely check it out if you guys haven't. We are always welcoming people into the community.
I think I have played Kerbal space programs over 3 attempts. The third time I got to what is essentially Mars. And placed a few sattelites in Orbit. I didn't find the campaign all that compelling, but it was a fun game. Definitely with a high learning curve as you said. But it was very satisfying once you began to get a feel for the game. Weight to thrust ratios, and concepts like Delta V. The difficulty is understandable and at some point becomes charming, because you realize how much you are actually learning on the way. You are litterally learning conecpts of rocket science, orbital mechanics, and everything just blows up sometimes for no reason.
Had my first attempt recently. That's the one where you're actually doing really well, better even than you thought, until you realise Jebediah ain't never coming back down from orbit. Learning curve on that game is more like learning steps.
Kerbal Space Program is incredibly hard but very rewarding once you get the hang of it. I've spent days building a space station only to have it break apart, I love it.
I would honestly say that the most enjoyable part of KSP is when things go wrong. I remember when I first got into KSP at around 0.23, before the asteroid redirect stuff was added, the explosions that I got while learning to get a rocket into space was fun, and some of the weird contraptions that you designed to do it was also interesting. It was a different game back then, the making history stuff really changed things.
DCS might be difficult, but for completely different reasons than you described. There are great illustrated tutorials made by Chuck_owl and there's an autostart button for the lazy. Getting the plane into air and missiles off rails is a matter of minutes, not hours. None of this poses any challenge for a healthy adult. The real challenge is being effective in those planes. Unlike the military-industrial complex wants you to believe, these toys do not hold your hand. You'll find yourself task saturated ("spilling the bucket") all the time when you're trying to put weapons on targets while not getting shot down in return. Learning close formation flying and doing air-to-air refueling requires a fail-until-you-don't approach and many give up before they knack it. To make this fun in the long run, you need like-minded people so joining some kind of online community is a must, and they range from casual to hardcore. Some virtual air wings make you qualify in a trainer plane first and keep score on how well you've done in comparison to your squadron mates just like in the real life. In short: DCS is only as hard as you make it, and you can always make it harder.
completely agree. flying is easy and if that is all you are looking for it will be a breze but actually killing a foe and not dying yourself is extremely hard.
Not to mention that bulk of the DCS players come from other games either earlier realistic sims (Falcon 4/BMS, Jane's combat sim series, Lock-On) or other less complex but still infomative games (War Thunder, Strike Fighters series, -Ace Combat- [ok, bad example]) so they already have a some semblance of basic knowledge of military aviation.
One of the most intense and thrilling moments in gaming was the last mission in Arma 3s campaign. The feeling of accomplishment when I started an A-10c in DCS from memory or when I launched then docked two orbiting spacecraft in Kerbal Space Program, figuring out how to keep a boiler going on a steam locomotive in Train Simulator.
Ghostrunner was a tough one for me being pretty new to games. I beat it but had to slow it. Its very unforgiving but so much fun when you pull it off. It perfectly simulates feeling like a cyberpunk-ninja
I spent a few years on Eve: Online. It does become quite addictive. I also played DCS World for a while. Downloaded the Frogfoot manual and control maps. Great game. I love games with some complexity but I just don't have the time to play them anymore.
oh god i remember playing armored core when i was younger. my dad picked it up for me thinking it was just a casual cool robot game and i spent DAYS trying to beat even the most basic levels. it was not easy lol
@@wisdoom9153 love front mission lol. I started with armored core and that's why I got front mission. Saw the robots and was like hey something like armored core!!
Mx simulator is an indie motocross simulator that's been around since 07 and has a pretty big skill curve especially if you're someone that typically doesn't play moto games or never played anything more than the mxgp and MvA titles.
I absolutely love EVE. Been playing since 2005. But it is definitely complex. And they could make it easier for people to group up for hardcore PvE. But, the game is definitely all about PvP and in-game economy
I remember just how happy I was when I finally left the atmosphere in Kerbals! Unfortunately I didn’t put enough fuel to safely bring him back so he was up there for a very long time
Haha. I think just about everyone who's played it has done this. I know I have! Another instance is I had gotten onto the surface of the mun, took off and knew I didn't have enough to get back but hoped to get into a stable mun orbit.....had just enough to get about 95% around the mun but would still crash. So at the apo I jumped out and used the thrusters on my kerbal to finish the orbit!! Lol floated around in his suit until I got him another ship to come back in.
You can't forget about the Father of hard mech games, Steel Battalion. Throws you into a battle with no training and on an actual Mech Sim Controller that let me remind you is huge. And the cherry on top is if you die in a battle and you have no backup mech, your commanding officer will call you out on your lack of skill and send you back to the reserves. While deleting your save.
I loved the Armored Core series, but yea, it's pretty brutal. Getting used to the controls is one thing, but the fact that you have to pay to repair any damage you sustained and even the ammo you used during a mission, makes it so that most new players will have a negative balance even if the mission was completed successfully.
The Tekken games are way harder than they first appear. Movement in 3D space, combos, button inputs, and all the other tech in the game goes crazy deep.
Yeah Tarkov and Arma series are definitely difficult games to fresh players, but soooo rewarding once you learn things and get a grasp on how they work, etc. I'd also say the STALKER games/mods are pretty punishing to players who aren't familiar with it, but again upon learning everything, not giving up cause you died, you will be blown away!
My friend has been getting into Europa Universalis for the last month or so, and was hoping to see it mentioned. Glad it was, and now I will tell him about Aurora.
I'll never forget the Korean Scav friend I met while playing as a PMC trying to get Rogue kills on Lighthouse in Tarkov. Was the craziest match I've played. Thanks for getting me to extract my friend.
Thank you for including Dota in this!!! I knows it’s difficult and complicated especially to new players but as a person with over 9000 hours in the game it’s truly amazing. As long as you’ve an open mind and tough skin (or muting the toxic players) you’re good to go really. Match making for newer players is progressively getting better everyday and it’s worth a shot for the entirety of the game being FREE. You’ll only spend money getting skins and nothing else.
@kidamoguS what the actual hell are you talking about?? Tarkov was 10 The op brought up Dota, which was ahead on the list I simply said that that game is not harder than tarkov which I've been a noob on both of those games in the past year Sooooooo....what's your point exactly??
honestly surprised Escape From Tarkov wasn't higher on the list. I love the game but I found it way to difficult with other players to enjoy. Especially hackers. I hope when the final release version comes out they have a offline progression game mode since they have already have an offline mode that doesn't count toward progression right now.
The mention of Armoured Core reminded on another game I used to play at that time. Anyone remember Ghost in a Shell where you controlled the spider-bot in a large city level and you could slide left and right and climb on vertical surfaces?
I want to add X-Com 2: Terror from the Deep as an honorable mention. While not the most difficult game even on the lower difficulties there is no steep learning curve but a brick wall right from the get-go.
@@KingKhy100 I've played the original many times. Both the original version and Open X-Com as well. Some years i thought i'll give _Terror_ a try. And despite everything that i've i heard i thought i would do pretty well. Spoilers: i didn't 😀 Second lowest difficulty, save-scumming and the game is still kicking my nuts.
I feel like Rust could be added to this list as well. I have about 1k hours and still have so much to learn. The toxicity of the game can be very off-putting, but you also get some cool experiences no other game has.
All survival PvP games have that hard learning curve where players will get stuck in the early game for a 1000 hrs before someone shows them the ways.. I say this having 6k on ark, 3k atlas and 2k rust but if you have the time to put into it, you'll get experiences you won't get elsewhere that's for sure
@@dawnkeyballs4898 the troll moments and voice chat of rust is hard to beat, I like 7 days but it's a team game you don't socialize as much with the community.. or at least that's my thought
Also the level of quality on rust content creators is also great, making movies and blender animations.. plus they just reworked the gunplay to make it easier to new players, I think if you have it still you should give it another run
I played in one of those newbie servers, and did okay for about a week, got a nice little base with the keypad thingy, and a horse round back. Anyway, I logged in one day and 2 guys were C4-ing the wall, and then saw me there and shot me. They even spray-painted a dick over my sign saying "please don't". Anyway, about 16 hours was enough to tell that the game is a complete waste of life, but I had a giggle with it for a while.
Glad to see Arma 3 on this list! That learning curve was no joke!! Still holds up pretty well for a game from 2013, but really wish we could get a sequel.
That armored core entry just unlocked a core memory. Never knew what it was called but i played the same mission hundreeds of times on a demo disk back in the day and never finished that one level😂
I'm surprised that Hell Let Loose was not on the list or an honorable mention! That game was super overwhelming to me and still is lol! Went into not knowing how absolutely integral communication was and the fact to even drive a tank I needed to be part of the tank crew. Solid game tho!
My fiance would love the mention of Dwarf Fortress, he's been waiting years for it to complete. Thankfully Rimworld has scratched the itch for now, and lately its been CK2.
about DSC world, i am one of does guys that bought a flightstick and got into the game, it took me around 160-200 hours ish untill i could understand the basics like the start up sequence, takeoff/landing and how to target ground targets, how to lock arm the missle crazy indepth AND that was just for one single aircraft. Indeed the hardest game to get into and alot of patience and ofcourse google.
GTFO absolutely should have made this list. It is quite possibly the hardest FPS game ever made (when it comes to new players). Veteran players make it look easy, but a squad if new players will struggle on even the easiest of levels.
Great video. I was wondering if DCS would make the list, but I think the commentary was probably a little harsh. Most of the aircraft have interactive tutorials to teach you the basics like engine start-up, take-off, landing and even weapons use etc. It's all there in the main menu if you look for it and while complex, will become second nature if repeated successfully and often enough, which is where most new players will most likely get discouraged. The DCS aircraft modules require a LOT of commitment from the player to learn properly, so anyone looking for simple and quick gratification will be turned off. The second turnoff, is that to get the most out of it requires the purchase of some pricey items like Joystick, throttle and rudder pedal combo's along with Track IR etc. Most gamers cant afford that. But, DCS will reward those that put the time and effort into it, and pulling off that first successful circuit landing is incredibly satisfying... but just not for everyone I guess.
This old dude that works with my mom he was an air force pilot he is always talking to me about this game. My eyes glaze over lol but he gets animated about it, it's funny.
@@ThePman007He's not wrong, and even if you only have a passing interest in aviation then give it a try as the basic DCS game engine is free to download and includes a number of free aircraft to cut your teeth on. It looks stunning if you have a decent enough PC, but does require a lot of self discipline. As I prev mentioned, it is incredibly rewarding if you want something to challenge yourself and the online community is pretty welcoming and ready to help/assist newcomers as well.
@@emilnagl Given the depth of content that each of the aircraft modules contains, and the amount of time spent learning and coming proficient with it, I don't think the price tag of a similarly priced AAA title on release is unreasonable. DCS is not an arcade shoot-em-up game like IL-2, or Warthunder etc aimed at pre-pubescent teenagers with the attention span of a goldfish, but more for the mature adult whom wants the best reality currently on offer for military aviation enthusiasts as well as the numerous systems and procedures contained within, and continues to push that envelope with regular updates. If you disagree, your probably better off sticking with Call of Duty etc on the X-Box or PlayStation and leave flight simulators to the grown ups.
LOVE seeing Escape From Tarkov getting the attention it deserves. I'm personally not a competitive multiplayer gamer, personally i prefer singleplayer story driven game no matter, tarkov is my only exception because the lore behind the game is so captivating and where the game is headed conceptually and practically has my complete attention. HIGHLY recommend anyone jump in and get to know it. Will it be difficult? Yes. Will you die alot? YES ABSOLUTELY. Is it incredibly satisfying to make out within an inch of your life left and some pretty insane loot? YES 100%
It's a very a unique game, nothing else really compares, I mean others are trying to get in on the loot/extract genre but EFT feels like nothing else out there.
@@shitoryu8 I completely agree! There’s rumors of the upcoming MW2 having a mode similar to EFT loot/extract gameplay loop, however, I think EFT is so unique in more ways then just one and the fact that the game is still in development, meaning it’s not even at its full potential yet is mind blowing and I just can’t wait to see the eventual full release
yea the video didn't really do it justice the game play looked really old and whoever was playing it wasn't the best but i guess that's kinda the point.
DCS actually does give you instructions, there is a PDF for the plane as well as training in order to learn the basics. Its really east once you understand the aircraft. specially with the F16 and F18 as they are fly by wire so its automatic, try learning a WW2 plane, those are complex or a plane such as the F15. But its actually really simple!
Ayeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! It's nice to see CDDA on the list! More people should try playing it, theres been a few very detailed tutorials available right now that are up to date, so the learning curve isn't too steep anymore.
I'm surprised rocket league didn't get an honorable mention. I think it's more difficult than games like tarkov but alot of people try to dumb it down. Drive car, hit ball. The mechanics in rocket are much more intense and has a higher learning curve than games like tarkov.
There's a game I used to play a few years ago called World War II Online. It's still around. Basically it's a less pretty Arma, but as the title suggests it's set in WWII. The one element that's kind of unique is the vast European battlemap. Imagine capture the flag games, but every major city in WWII Western Front having a flag to capture and hold. Campaigns last for weeks to months. WWII planes, tanks, weapons, vehicles appear in tiers as the campaign progresses. I left the game because it was consuming too much of my time, lol.
I actually recall AC2 being easy compared to Master of Arena. Granted, AC2 brought about new controls due to Dualshock controllers being taken advantage of finally. Master of Arena required you to use all 4 shoulder buttons as if you were using a right and left analogue.
Master of Arena is difficult but once you learned that AIs are stupid on an enclosed space and exploiting it makes it laughingly easy, most AC Rankers try to fly off to mess with your limited control on camera and spam blade attacks mid air when you're near, set something like a parking lot as an Arena and see how stupid the AI becomes, use a quad feet that can carry the nuke missile launcher with 4 ammos(forgot the name), AI will die on those 4 missiles then equip a laser rifle if they survive, easy AC2 is kinda hard cause of the transition with the control scheme, Silent Line and Last Raven thought ARE HARD
With Project phantasma and MoA, the difficulty has an added layer. If you have a human+ save from the OG AC game, it's supposed to be rather easy but if you don't get human plus then it's a challenge. Why did I word it like that? I played AC up till MoA without knowing about the human plus system. I hated being in debt so when that happened, I restarted the game. The worst enemies for me were enemies that used the GL, Karasawa, and the Moonlight. I spent most of my time in those fights dodging. An added layer of difficulty was that I never learned about boost hopping by myself. It was when I joined an AC fan forum that I was informed on it. When did I join? After LR was released. T T
Oh, I finished MoA a very long time ago. I just recall the controls being tricky because I nostalgia bought it, tried playing again, and noped out of finishing it again. lol, I remember spamming height differentials to take advantage of the AI in Arena. There were two maps where that was very feasible and you could just unload on rankers with auto lock missiles as they were trying to figure out how to reach you. I remember less of AC2 despite having finished it, too... Never played Silent Line or Last Raven that I know of.
@@clonezero_RR At least by the time you get the Karasawa and Moonlight, you're basically #1 in arena and can spec your AC overweight IIRC. I think you got them somewhat before then, but by then you were already pretty set in a good AC build so changing it up didn't help to try to accommodate them at weight restriction.
I would switch Tarkov and Arma 3. Dying in Tarkov at the end of a raid with several quest items will literally set you back several hours and potentially bankrupt you forcing you to pawn off your stuff (ingame) to afford a new kit. There is just a lot of risk and reward that was left out in the mention
Ahhhh Armored Core, the Darksouls of the gaming world before Darksouls was made. 2 and 2:Another Age, 3 and SIlent Line were absolutely BRUTAL. The top 10 arena opponents in all four games would have you breaking so many controllers
@@Die-Angst because AC games came in a time where social media isn't a thing for people to complain on, we just keep our frustration to ourselve or to friends when we hangout face to face, unlike now where everybody flocks to twitter or facebook cause Game A or Game B is difficult or what have you
@@Die-Angst AC has been pretty notorious for its difficulty for YEARS, especially the Gen 2 and 3 games. There’s tons of reddits talking about how brutal they were, even reddits comparing the later gen 3 games to Darksouls
Path of Exile is pretty brutal as well. Largest skill tree I've ever seen in a game, stats that require you to write them down and do math, drops that feel like a million in one chance, crafted items you need to grind hard for, auction house, trading, real money transactions. It's a job more than a game honestly, I quit after a month and applied elsewhere.
@Dragon Nah, its not that bad. It has an extensive skill tree yes, but you'll only see about a sixth of it depending on character. There are definitely guides out there if you want to minmax your builds. . .but you can just play the game and have fun. Admittedly my knowledge comes from a long way back, but if I can stumble through and play around while playing with other people its not that difficult. Playing solo you may want to be a little more optimal, but there are plenty of resources and guides.
@Dragon Depends on your taste, I don't mind some difficulty but the learning curve was too much for me. Worth a try and see if you enjoy games like Diablo
yeaaaaaaaaaaaa cheers from the casual vet world. theres nothing inherently bizaar abotu the bare minimum of the core mechanics since its inherently jsut an arpg but for any single person to have ot know how to navigate the explosive catalog of information that needs to be implimented into a play through baffling. especialy when you realize 90% of it is on 3rd party sites etc etc and thats when the shit gets bonkers. i love it, only 2500 hours so far but yeah its something i could get a masters degree in and still earn sometyhing new the next day
I'm kinda hyped for ksp 2. I loved the first one. I mostly always used the nice autopilot mod. But also the mod that added a scripting language to control the ships. Made a script that would handle deploying com sat network around a planet. Now I mostly play space engineers cause it's first person and has c# instead of a completely unique language.... Would be fun if it included orbital mechanics.
@@Elwaves2925 Also looking forward to KSP2. KSP was a hard game to learn since a lot of what you try is so non-intuitive. Sandbox with unlimited parts is harder to learn in than career with a very small pool of parts. A bigger rocket is often harder to get to space than a smaller one. Flying too fast in atmosphere burns more fuel than fighting gravity longer at a lower speed. A lot of times in KSP you're banging your head against the wall wondering "why doesn't this work?" and when you later find out it makes total sense to you why it didn't work.
You should make a list of the 10 most difficult games for new players that anyone's ever heard of. Okay, I've heard of armored Core. I think that might be the only one, though.
I downloaded both EVE Online and DCS World a few years ago, got about 10 minutes into each and noped out immediately. Way too hard, even for me, and I play Souls. Of course that doesn't mean much these days. I'll give a honorable mention to the game Outward by Nine Dots Studio, which is basically an "adventurer simulator" where you start as a literal nobody, you have no idea where to go because there are no map markers, and you're as fragile as tissue paper. On top of that there are numerous status effects which stack, hunger, thirst, heat, cold, diseases and when you die (you will die), you get sent to a random dungeon somewhere on the map that you then have to escape and find your way back to town from.
I think EVE gets a bit of a bad rap sometimes. Sure, it's got a lot of complexity, but it's also got a decent tutorial for new players and an initial string of NPC missions that will get you quite a few various ships. These are smaller ships, but that's what you should be flying till you get familiar with the game anyways since they're cheaper to replace if you lose one. The community can be quite helpful to people asking questions in chat and lots of players will offer to take a noob under their wing and teach them the game. Yes, you can be killed by more experience players anywhere and anytime, but there's plenty of high security space where the cost of killing you will far exceed the benefit. In many places, you simply not worth shooting if you're new.
i tried eve online when humble bundle had a month subscription for it ,play for about a week collecting resources and looting destroyed spaceships, and when i learned that it had a monthly subscription i stopped playing it.
I think you should've talked about PoE, the amount of content and systems this game has took me 100 hours to understand, and next 100 hours to at least become mediocre at them. The game is very hard for the newbies, but its fun and good;)
DCS is a really cool game. I haven't flown a single plane in it, but I have had a lot of fun just sitting in the cockpit and pressing buttons lol. It seems really dumb, but I'm sure it's not just me and as a kid for a lot of us, it was a dream to be able to sit in a fighter jet and just press stuff and see what happens lol. Knowing I don't know anything and then pressing something that causes the plane to turn on or whatever is a pretty fun experience. In my personal experience, I couldn't get into Warframe. The menu system and in game economy to buy skins to customize my dude was really confusing & I ended up dropping it after a few hours. I learned how to play Monster Hunter, I feel I've paid my dues for learning difficult game systems :P
Anything with multiplayer, especially popular pvp heavy ones, are going to be a painful experience for new players often not due to the game but the longterm problem that pvp games have had with toxic assholes. Would be interesting to see a followup to this video focussing on games with a more solo or single player gameplay that aren't made artificially hard by other people.
I literally just started playing dcs and it’s great. Lol. It’s not as bad as people describe it. Starting off with the SU-25T, it’s not even a fully fledged cockpit with all interactive switches and buttons and stuff so it’s kinda easy to learn on (but you gotta remember all the keyboard shortcuts or inputs on your stick and throttle). Starting it up and taking off isn’t crazy difficult or anything but learning to control the aircraft in the air is a little bit harder especially if you don’t know all the controls or what everything means. Landing was really difficult for me to learn and I haven’t even started on dog fights yet. Lol. I want to learn how to fly properly first before getting into the other stuff.
I'd honestly say the Su-25T isn't the best free starter module. It's alright as a demo but its flight handling and avionics (being Russian rather the predominantly West systems once you decide to go into others) doesn't really do justice. The full fidelity modules can be harsh to learn for the uninitiated, but overall the basic flight is relatively simple especially on FBW planes like the F-16/-18. Then again I primarily fly the C-Hog and Flanker so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Armored Core was a series that I played some of back in the day. And he isn't joking about how in depth the costomization was. You had to watch your power consumption, the weight of your parts on your legs total as well as the weight of your arm and arm weapons on the core. Your leg part determand if you neaded to assume a firing position if you were using shoulder weapons with high recoil. Did you use a shoulder mounted radar or a head unit that had a radar built in? (I advise using the head if you have one.) You get the idea.
I would say something like Magic gets a free pass and just 'read the card' but then you have to learn how all the cards and their triggers interact. . . and then arguments break out. . .and then someone has to go dig through and attempt to find official rulings. . .and then you just houserule it anyway
I just got into _Tarkov_ and it is a truly unforgiving game. Just last night I was doing a scav run and got merk'd by another scav - also a player - camping a shipping crate. Message to every new player: Respect the wiggle. As a side note, I'd like to let everyone that plans on trying _Armored Core_ know that it is a FromSoftware game, and I hope that in and of itself serves as a fair warning.
Been playing two wipes now. Annnd ever since voip came in and the Christmas event screwing everyone’s rep up. It’s the most backstabbing I’ve ever seen 😂
@@cavemanvi I have about 1500 hours in the game and I just wanna say it doesn't get any easier, from people camping to people backstabbing you hell even the team kills. hands down the best most Adeline filled game I have ever played in my life - 10/10 -IGN also I would suck Nikitas toes
They have a way of changing stuff just when you think you learned everything. hope you are enjoying it, has been my favorite for years nothing else like it
@@UsualMotives I'm loving and hating it. The learning curve is steep, but totally worth the climb. It makes every accomplishment mean that much more. Nothing is handed to you, everything is _earned_
i thought this was going to be about general games known for steep learning curves , like the Souls games and related. But these seem on another level.
I did not expect dcs to be the #1 hardest game. Rant: yes there is a manual for most planes in the game but if you dont like reading 400+ pages on how every system works and how to use it, just watch videos on it. I learned all of my aircraft just through videos.
Dota 2 is unforgivable. It has a steep learning curve but even more so when you don't have a party to hold your hand along the way. basically stay away from pub games if you are new
My friends keep trying to convince me to play it... i took one look at it and said "lol im almost 30 now... no way im spending 1000s of hours learning 150 different heroes"... To me it just doesn't look like its worth the time investment
@@miamorhardstyle Actually you dont need 1000s hours to learn 100s heroes, you can instead use 1000s hours to learn how to use 1 hero to deal with the other 100s. Well, still take 1000s hours anyway but a bit easier lmao
Shyt, armored core came out when i was young.. me and my brother use to dominate in that.. Now, hes more into racing games and im more into fighting games at a high level, like mortal kombat x/11
@@TheDoddridge now that I put hundreds of hours of time into the game it's become too easy but I remember the begining where I was stumped for 50 hours also I just downloaded mods for ksp to make it harder and now I remember what it's like it's fun
