10 Outlaws of Thunder Junction Cards I Was WRONG About 

It isn't particularly new - but thanks!

Been calling it fizzle since dragons maze

I think this was to make the game not explode when it spells that can’t be countered lost their targets

@@ShaqPlaque that's why cards that had targets and couldn't be countered would say "this can't be counted by spells or abilities". Abrupt decay had this text originally. Obliterate, an even older card, only said "can't be countered" because obliterate has no targets.

@@SpitefulAZ And that text was always clunky. Much better to live in a world that doesn't need it.

Hands down

Facts.

Yeah, i am often surprised when i differ opinions worth him he is often right. I can get to mythic in limited without 17 lands or other help and yet this guy always evaluates better than me.

Undisputed

I don't even play limited and enjoy this content😅

Its awesome

One bonus sheet already made it kind of nuts in other sets, like brothers war. But there's multiple lmao, you can get a random pack that is 4 rares 4 uncommons. Makes it quite difficult

That's the plan!

Fblthp is definitely a late game card; I had it in my gUW prerelease deck, and it didn't show up often, but it absolutely broke a standoff by playing off the deck instead of waiting to draw. This format might not be ideal for him, but in the right deck he can put in some real work. Might not be an A, but it's surely not an F.

There’s better cards similar to Fblthp. The mana rock for 3 that gets counters as you commit crimes, for example. Or the 5 mana blue-green draw three. This format is juiced enough that you only have so much space for card draw effects

Also worth noting how poorly it plays with counterspells/instants

You're right, exile makes a difference. And I'm glad I wasn't alone on infestation. Also, it's an honor to have your comment! Your Limited streams back in the day are a big part of why I do Limited content. Been enjoying seeing you back at it!

@@NizzahonMagic Thanks for the kind words. A lot has changed since I've been in the content game so trying to learn what I can from all of you!

Question: can either of you explain the wording on Pest Infestation. I'm confused on why if you target the treasure it nulls the whole card. Still getting used to strict wording on cards. I'd assume if it says target up to X AND create X tokens that it would null. The fact it's like two separate statements, I thought i would still fire. Also, huge fans of both of your content. Been watching you, Nizzahon, for a few years, and Mr. Cheon, just got into your content during MKM. Love the commentary and describing plays for both of you. Really helped me level up my drafting knowing how strong players think. Keep it up!

i’ve trophied with blue decks but that’s usually off the back of stuff like lockpicker+make your own luck

I'd describe blue as being parasitic in this set. The two ways it seems able to pull its weight outside specific bomb rares and uncommons is to run only the most archetype-trailored cards for the exact color combination getting drafted (not like Naya mounts for instance that can just splash in and find their value) or just exist to draw the other colors more cards. I've seen Simic, Azorious, and Dimir all get good results at events, but what they seemed to have in common in each instance was a deck built so focused that it resembled constructed, and I mean, of course a constructed-resembling limited deck puts up results. I think one other issue blue has is that not just removal but also reach is abundant in this set; in other limited metas flying is often enough to just take wins by itself, but not when there are 4/5 and 6/5 reach blockers in common coming down on turn 5 or sometimes even turn 4 and games generally lasting that long.

@@itsthatguyarc7186 Blue doesn't really get much of a claim over flying aggro in this set, white has more fliers (not a significant difference though, 9 to 8) but more importantly - better fliers, especially at common. Its worst common flier is better than blue's best common flier.

definitely, really enjoying his analysis and hey : being wrong in the early days of the sets is part of the game, and Nizzahon overall seems to have pretty good analysis anyway

RIP hammertime

You know, "casting for free" needs to be balanced somehow

@marcoottina654 it's a bit closer to "drawing for free" since you still pay the full mana cost with Fblthp you just get to plot off the top.

There is way too many strikes against this card. Bricking on lands is the major one. But also it's pretty useless to plot combat tricks so those are effectively bricks as well. And then AT BEST you have to wait an extra turn for the cards you pay full mana for.

​@soggytoast111 I think those are less strikes against the card than strikes against how people are trying to use the card. People are putting it on the wrong decks. As to there being bad times to draw or play it, sure, but that's literally every card. Not that I think it's an A, but as people figure it out better, I highly doubt it'll come out as an F.

Same. I went 0-3 T.T

I think you can pay the spree costs as you’re casting the spell since it’s an additional cost? Haven’t actually plotted a spree card myself yet

Hope you enjoyed it!

Yeah, you have to have exactly one target or only target treasure for it to go bad.

Thunder Salvo and Slick Sequence.

@ebEliminator ​those are two mana, but you have a good point

Yeah another bonus sheet card is city of ass

Glad you like it!

Flooding the channel with a bunch of draft videos would probably be pretty bad for analytics

i think it’s because games, while data-wise shorter, have less of that do-or-die early game typical of recent formats and is more decided by bombs or giant boardstates stabilizing around t6-7

Every set is unbalanced, I don't think it's super bad in this format, though.

@@NizzahonMagic I feel in this format, all green/x pairs are mostly pretty even, and green is deep enough that it can support at least half the table (if not more). But it does feel like a format where you want to be green and where you go from there is pretty diverse. Did you notice that 23 of the 40 cards on 17lands with a higher than 60% winrate are green? I feel like the last time we got colour skew that bad was Midnight Hunt. However, I am still enjoying this format a lot. I quite like big, stompy green cards (probably not surprising given my name) and it's much grindier than any format we've had for some time which I also really like.

@@monogreengreen is simply a more fun color to be dominant than white or red imo

I take back what I said about all G/X pairs being mostly even. Outside of Green white and black are a lot better than blue or red. Looking at more 17 land data the best non-abzan common comes after 30+ abzan commons and the best non-abzan uncommon comes after 20 abzan uncommons and after 25 for the first card that is blue/red and not also an abzan colour. The format seems to be draft green, pair with white or black (or both). I'm still enjoying this format, but I disagree that the colour balance isn't super bad.

@@Jack-uh2db Especially after such a long time of red/white being so dominant

I can see how sealed would be unfortunate for this set, but the vast majority of people playing this limited environment are playing draft, where it's much less luck dependent.

Yeah aggro isn't completely unplayable, just less good than lately.

No MTGO data. But it's pretty disengenuous to call Arena a beginner platform, especially when discussing people who sign up to have their data tracked. They are definitely not beginners, on the whole, but the exact obvious.

Neither Commandeer nor Path to Exile are bombs. Path is a nice removal spell and Commandeer is actively bad. Bad beats happen for sure, though.

… if the card loses you the game way more than it wins you the game I think it can be considered unplayable

@@jackvogel701 It's really not because you're not going to cut this for an 18th land if you have no other payables.

@@user-dg9qf7me8y fair enough. I think you have a different definition of F than most people tho

@@jackvogel701 That's why I think people's definition of F-grade is so flawed if it doesn't distinguish between cards that can win you the game and cards that are worse than a basic land 100% of the time.

@@user-dg9qf7me8y I don't like your definition at all, F is reserved for cards that heavily lower win rate, fblthp does that, so he is an F, comparing cards to basic lands is silly as basic lands beyond the 16-18 in your deck are obviously gonna reduce win chances, you compare cards to non-basics when grading as these grades are based on playing it in your non-land slots over other cards... if you have fblthp vs a D tier non-land you should pick the non-land is what the grade says. This applies to both deck building and draft, you shouldn't draft cards that make you lose more and saying that oh this cards better than a basic is silly because guess what... you get to draft 42 cards!!! you only need around 23-30 (based on lands) to build a deck so uh you have a whole range of cards to pick fblthp over before considering a basic land.