10 Star Trek: TNG Facts You Probably Didn't Know 

Came to the comments looking for this..... I'm not disappointed 😁😁😁

Yup, I was going to post that but you beat me to it :)

@Maurice Turner I think your cat should try Feline Nutritional Supplement 47 and stay away from your keyboard.

Yes. I hope someone does. If humanity needs it at all, it is right now!!

Now that is just goals to be able to say that and people won’t be sure you’re joking or not,

I refuse to believe this. Lol.

Oh... I don't like that.

@@jondorsey2043 It gets worse! Wil was born in 1972 which makes him 48 years old. Sir Patrick was born in 1940, and the first season of ST:TNG came out in 1987, when he was 47 years old.

God! I feed old! lol

@@jalabi99 So Sir Patrick has always looked old. I wouldn't be surprised if he looked the same at 25.

Witnesses to her saying that the first few times say she started out saying she imagined that conversation happening and hadn't actually met him.

Whoopi will talk about it at length if you ask her. Actually Levar says similar things about the impact Uhura had on him.

@@NeoTechni evidently Dr. King called or sent a letter. I don't know that they ever met.

@@vic5015, her story did fluctuate some details from telling to telling, but I believe they met in person at a Star Trek event. That's the last version I've heard Nichelle tell.

I cannot imagine STNG without WHOOPI ! OR EVEN THE YOUNG ACTOR WESLEY!!

That was supposed to be Will Riker's character.

Stewart hated the very thing that catapaulted him to stardom

Agreed. I think it is the mistake that Stargate made too. Mitchell and Shepherd feel too much like O'Neill too me.

@@danielyeshe I don't know if those where mistakes. Mitchell was fine and Shepherd had an unique dynamic with McKay. I think both Mitchell's SG1 and Atlantis benefited from having a more expansive cast compared to the original O'Neill (with two Ls) inception, allowing some deviation away from O'Neill.

@@Tuning3434 Yeah I don't dislike either of them but Teal'c even says that Mitchell reminds him of O'Neill in one episode. All this said I don't know what I would have done differently. Obviously we wouldn't have wanted a hard-nosed gruff CO. That would have been no fun at all!

Yup, but I get it. It was about him supposedly being a "Vulcan" but they decided to go with an Android instead. It was a good move cause Data's more awesome than having a Vulcan.

I liked that the lack of internal conflict. Stable, well adjusted, and professional crew seems like the future we would want. There’s some middle ground to be had as seen with some later seasons.

She called the original costume a cheerleader outfit. Marina is nothing like her character. I guess that makes her a great actor.

@@krane15and then she complained because when she was promoted and made the switch to the standard uniform, the one production gave her was not made for her; it was one that had been made for an extra lol.

Agreed. That was the episode that gave us Crosby's Romulan character, the Praetor Sela.

Way too dark for me. But that departure was the point.

YOUR best episodes? Didn't know you wrote it.

Yeah, I really can't imagine Gene giving the green light to Voyager.

What i find funny is that what they hold up as "Gene's Trek" isn't really Gene's Trek at all

He was protecting his child. And let's face it, Gene was out there. I haven't seen any productions that I hate, except for killing Trip and no more T Pol or Hoshi naked scenes.TOS and TNG lacked what all great productions lack, a love story. It's in our DNA. I'm still disappointed that Odo fought for Kita and so easily gave it up to go sit in a tub of goo. Riker married Troy. Whoopie. Picard and Vash or Beverly would have been so much more interesting. Imagine Spock marrying Chapel. Gene was pretty cold in my opinion.

Not giving thumbs up to DS9 would have been sacrilege! VOY not so much.. 😬

@@HailAnts VOY has its moments, Year of Hell should have been a season

Assuming he had PTSD, substance issues would be *very* understandable. Many people with PTSD attempt to self-medicate.

In Hollywood, a condition as common as cotton candy at the fair.

@@krane15 Also, WW2 pilots ended up with some created by the military with various stimulants being given out to try keeping them alert and going. Several of those ended up as major issues.

I think he said "Geordie," but it only sounds like "Georgie" because of his accent.

@@Apocalypso64 Turn on Closed Caption. The first two times he says it, they say "Georgie" then it's "Geordie" every time after that.

Just yet another example of how little MB knows about Star Trek. His lists often have these kinds of mistakes.

I know. How could someone who is a Trekkie do that? Even if a script had it misspelled how could it be said, and not corrected in post?

I had to rewind to double check he definitely did say Georgie then corrected himself.

Now that's funny! 😁

I don't know why they didn't just keep it simple with some cotton/poly. There is nothing futuristic about not knowing how clothes went on and off. Nothing AT ALL futuristic about that. I never could figure out why they didn't like pockets or belts. Seems to me an away team would wear cargo pants, to be practical. Keep your tricorder in one pocket, phaser on your belt instead of velcroed to your side, things like that. Make it realistic.

Zapp Brannigan: “Ah, velour.”

@Joseph Norm he had a knack for ripping his shirts (x 7)/ ending up shirtless which was parodied in Galaxy Quest.

@@joermnyc "Leela, it's real velour... Just let yourself go." 😂

More like surprised how hardcore I apparently am....

I knew all that because I watched another recent video with about the same content.

@@En_theo Funny, I realized I knew 6 of these from this very channel. Haha!

Yes. I don’t like being challenged!

I did a little even though I am not a hard core TNG fan I prefer the original but TNG is a good show

She was the beating heart of Star Trek for years. Arguably one of the most important figures in the history of the franchise.

@@jondorsey2043 Absolutely! She passed a couple of tears ago, so R.I.P. DC Fontana.

She help keep ST on its feet and heading in the right direction

I was gonna sum it up as "Roddenberry was creative but he was also a sexist dickweed."

@@BeeWhistler Steven Spielberg had a similar problem to Gene Roddenberry. Both are creative geniuses but require an outside perspective to filter the good ideas from the bad. This is apparent in the remakes of the original Star Wars movies. His changes and added scenes degrades the quality of the movie and story line. After he became famous enough that he could not be told "no, that won't work" his movies did not have the same quality as his earlier work.

TNG was successful because it was tied to a successful movie franchise and a superior show in syndication that shared the name.

@@opossumlvr1023 Stop saying things moron.

@@alphanerd7221 Glad that we agree that Gene Roddenberry isn't the reason that TNG was a success. Only difference is that we arrived at the same conclusion via a different route.

Especially when she “senses” something bloody obvious.

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How is that irony?

Same here 🖖

@@Thurston86 Jean Luc Picard turned out to be the best captain of the franchise and the best character representing Roddenberry's vision. The irony lies in that Roddenbery supposely didn't want Patrick Steward to play the character, and we can't imagine any other actor doing a better representing his vision of an utopic future.

@@charlescole645 Thank you! I did not get the point in OP’s comment (like Alanis Morriestte, I cant discern irony very well). And I agree, Picard is by far the best captain and anyone but Patrick Stewart playing him would’ve been a travesty. Just like the toupee they almost made him wear! Lol. Live long and prosper, dude! 🖖

He was not happy with his character much when he started? but it did a lot of good for has future in TV and film so great actor yes👍

Roy Thinnes would have also been my first choice too.

Yaphet Kotto would have been awesome!

I’m a fan of Kotto, he would have made an exceptional captain.

@@paulcochran1721 Agreed: the first Black Jewish man as a Starship Captain!

Picard is, AFAIK, the only French Yorkshireman to become a senor Starfleet captain!

Yeah, as I recall his postion is that the Star Fleet characters shouldn't have conflicts with each other and all the show's conflict would come from outside but even that would be very limiting. Interpersonal conflict is important to drama as well.

@@LibraGamesUnlimited. I think you can have interpersonal conflict, but I think it should be limited, I would hope that we could have grown up a little more as a species and this would need to be shown in how interpersonal conflict is expressed and dealt with.

@@robertt9342 Roddenberry didn't see it that way. To his mind the human characters should always agree and get along and all the conflict had to come from outside.

She was unhappy with character development, to paraphrase her, she thought she was basically the captain's secretary/telephone operator, taking messages etc... plus TOS main three characters got all the best scenes.

@@RichO1701e Which is true, ofc. But it's still great she stayed, and she has some good scenes in the movies. Particularly ST6.

@@countluke2334 Fast forward 6 films and I'm sure she's glad she stayed too.

I knew about that. I was lucky enough to find an interview of hers somewhere on RU-vid.

@@RichO1701e She is great in that role. I never considered her the secretary. She was the ears of the ship - very important in that vast and potentially dangerous cosmos. Not to mention that she was also the voice that could help and save.

Stephen

@@stratfordbaby Thank you; I don't want to be rude to his memory✌️

Actually it's quite easy. Just not very pleasant.

Harder to imagine ST TOS without DC Fontana. As for Police Officer Roddenberry with regard to Patrick Stewart, f**k him and the sehlat he rode into town on. Patrick Stewart, Jonathan Frakes, Marina Sirtis, and the rest of the actors appearing on TNG made the show work.

They would now, but they would not have back then. It would have been very campy and "B-Movie" had they tried it. The symbiot bugs from Conspiracy were originally going to be the Borg.

Would have been original too. I once read that the Borg we got were rip-offs of something called the Cybermen in Dr. Who.

Imagine that music playing as Riker says Mr Worf fire! As an insectoid version of Picard is on the screen declares that your life as it has been is over number one as it fades to black on to be continued... Part 2 may have been more interesting as they deintegrate Picard from an insect and return him to a humanoid form somehow.

@@alm2187 that theory was actually started by whovians

@@alm2187 after being introduced to Doctor Who, I couldn't help wondering if the Cybermen and the Daleks had inspired the Borg.

Ask your friend about Adam Goodwin. There is a guy in these comments that says he was the lead writer during the writer's strike, that they called him "The heart of the Enterprise "..... And that he was 9 years old. That was not a typo, he claims to.have been NINE.

A typical response to genius. Plebeians don't understand them.

From everything I heard he had some really difficult ideas about the future, such as mentioned in the video. How do you do drama without conflict?

@@LibraGamesUnlimited You don't. Without conflict, there is no drama.

@@krane15 Yeah, and you can tell the difference between the episodes that were made while he was alive and the ones after he passed.

I did not realize the inspiration for Troi. I knew about the whole thing with 4 boobs, though.

The only one I didn't know was the beeeewbs. Knowing Roddenberry, it doesn't surprise me though!

@@BigJeremyBeyer I did know about the Phase 2 inspiration for the TNG characters, heck, Decker and Riker sound similar, and they both have the same first name. My biggest question is that if they gave Troi four boobs, would she be a more or less popular character, and would her jumpsuit have had a second cutout for double cleavage? Maybe just a diamond in the middle so we get underboob on the top and cleavage on the bottom?

@@shattered_helix I think whatculture would have one day done a video called "the failed revival attempt of Star Trek" had they done that.

@@BigJeremyBeyer I don't know, people are weird, and it was the 80s, which were also weird.

He reminds me of an L. Ron Hubbard type.

Well, it seems that everything that made STTNG so great was opposed to his ideas.

@@En_theo certainly his insistence that the crew have no interpersonal conflicts was a bad one. Without conflict stories are just boring. Conflict = drama.

A spoiler[?]: Roddenberry's combination of conflicting genius, adherence to principle, venality, and frequent acting-out is not that unusual for an alcoholic.

@@vic5015 Yeah, also unless humans have genetically been changed, I don't see how competition or venality (a world without currency seems impossible, you need money at least as a measurement instrument) would disappear.

Yes. Because Dr. King convinced Nichele Nichols not to quit TOS.

Link to this info.

Yes, very sweet! I saw that on its 1st run! I knew WHO the real 'scientist' was!

@@DMSProduktions not *that* hard to figure out. You just had to know one of them was real.

That was more likely a "passing of the torch" scene, to satisfy fans of the original that yes, the old crew does approve of the new one, so you're in good hands.

And most of the season 1 scripts were either altered unused TOS scripts, or remakes from TOS

Welcome to the fandom! ☺️

Start on DS9 concurrently right after "THERE. ARE. FOUR. LIGHTS!" Then Voyager whenever DS9 is done, since there is no crossover there that makes a difference. Then finish it off with Enterprise, which most people (including me) did not like the first watch through, but liked it better on rewatch.

@@BigJeremyBeyer I grew up with Enterprise! I started watching season 3 on its first broadcast every week with my dad when I was 4 years old. I don't think it's the best Trek series (because you know... DS9) but I'm so emotionally attached to it, I think it's my favourite series.

Damn, guys. Even in their weakest episodes, the writing is top notch. They've mastered tv dramas using sci fi

@@sarahscott5305 DS9 is also my favorite.

I forgot about Q. Text character really sucks

I agree! Captain Picard and Q interacted SO very well together!

@@mrliberty8468 Seriously ? Patrick Stewart brought a gravitas to the part, the finest Captain Starfleet ever had, all down to Stewart's acting.

Better.

One of two worlds in co-orbit; Rozniak & Zobs. (Yes, I realize this joke doesn't work in the same context as the Frasier joke.)

I signed that Petition!

they just had to go one better than Eccentrica Gallumbits

@@5ynthesizerpatel Nice reference!

@@thefurrybastard1964 It is indeed. I was going to make it but I was a month late. :)

NERD!!! I'm joshing, sir. I'm standing right next to you. LOL.

Maybe with googly eyes glued on the front?

It's true!

Yeah, that's common knowledge. But it was likely a joke.

He was a known sarcastic, douchey, but often funny guy. I would find it hard to believe that he wouldn't say something silly like that in such a situation.

@@patrickmccurry1563 Stephen Hawking had a fantastically dry sense of humor. Funny guy too.

This is the second comment saying that. Are you referring to the very beginning? He says 1987. Maybe it’s just his accent that causes people to think he said 1997?

@@redapol5678 Yep, it's MY mistake. I listened to it twice, too, and I still heard '97.' I apologize. After reading your comment, I went back and listened to it, again and heard '87' this time, lol.

@@VylePhinder actually I did read another comment that suggested they may have edited it after the mistake was pointed out. So you may have been right

You know it.

10/10 is my rating for this video. 10/10 is also my rating for Morris Gautreau and his usual enthusiastic positivity ☺️

Wholesome thread

@@sarahscott5305 Thank You! I just really love Star Trek, TNG was my favorite show during it's run.

I'm into it. Voyager is my favourite of that generation of trek, despite a few fairly glaring issues. I deeply enjoy the borg getting bullied.

@Neil Rosenau but how would that have worked? Guinan has a special relationship with Picard and only Picard.

Sight-prohibitive hair clip, or funny contacts? I'll take the contacts.

@@BigJeremyBeyer You didn't wear contacts in the 80s. Rigid, gas impermeable lenses hurt like a b***********tch. They were aggravating even after getting used to them according to my mom. I never could. Even the soft lenses of the 90s were unpleasant.

@@patrickmccurry1563 so let me get this straight ... Your eyes reacted badly to contact lenses, and that is somehow evidence that I never wore contacts? You should go become an inspecticator. 👍

I miss the visor'd Geordie. It was an iconic look.

@@Action_Figure_King after his visor was used for a spy mission that destroyed the flag ship, they kinda needed to make sure that couldn't happen again.

Agreed. I really enjoyed the two-part cliffhanger episode about the Ophidians.

Agreed 🖖🖖🖖

Given his reputation, maybe he meant that there were too many women that were wearing too many clothes.

@@peteg9069 Lol.

@@peteg9069 wasn't there an allegation Roddenberry assaulted the actress who played Yeoman Rand and that's why her character disappeared?

@@vic5015 I don't know about that, but he was - allegedly - a womaniser, and the skirts were very short

@@vic5015 The actress who played Rand did report suffering a sexual assault during the run of TOS, but never accused anyone iirc

Probably not Roddenberry or other writers. Maybe more of the better writers who went to Harvard, St. John's, Oxford, etc.?

@@shepwillner7507 Yeah, because you need to study at Harvard or Oxford in order to know such things. 🙄 I knew them when I was in my secondary school...

@@eeaotly Good for you knowing that stuff. I read "Gods, Graves, and Scholars" by C. W. Ceram, where I learned more about the ancient name for Troy, how Heinrich Schliemann discovered the ancient city, along with other legendary towns like Mycenae. That said, I also learned a lot about ancient cultures like Egypt, Mesopotamia, India, China, Greece and Rome in 7th grade--enough to be awarded the 7th grade history award in June '71. How many school awards did you win for every grade you attended school? I won a whole lot of them. I also attended college, graduate school and B-school. I graduated from all three institutions; regarding B-school, I attended the school's classes while also holding down a Federal job. I earned my MBA in June '99. As for Harvard, I didn't go there because I would not have belonged among all the brilliant kids and/or wealthy country club set. Moreover, neither my grades nor my SAT scores were good enough to warrant my applying for admission to an Ivy League college. My folks didn't care about a school's reputation or whether it was listed as a Top 100 school in a magazine article. They cared more about whether the school would provided the academic support I needed to succeed in my studies.

Riker need a show.

That level of over the top sex on 80s prime time TV would have gotten it cancelled after one season if that.

I have a feeling the show would've turned into a porn parody pretty quickly if that was the case. :)

@@patrickmccurry1563 Movie it to skinamax?

He said 1987 at the beginning. Unless you’re referring to something else?

Or she misremembered and a quote got loose repeated everywhere. I've done that a few times, only to later reevaluate due to proven dates. It's more expected if annoying to go the other way; "wait, I was an adult when that came out, not a child".

Agreed. I think the Prequels could have been so much better......but then the Sequels come to mind and who knows now??? 🤷🏻‍♂️

Roddenberry's Box is how Insurrection happened. But unlike Nemesis, Insurrection was still a faithful, enjoyable film.

It took me quite a while to realise Marina Sirtis’s natural eye colour wasn’t brown! But weirdly Majel Barrett’s contact lenses did appear quite alien in some scenes

I don't think Troi was that interesting of a character until the last couple of seasons at least, but I am a huge fan of Marina Sirtis as a wonderfully versatile actress

@@johntabler349 Yeah, she did the best she could with what they gave her, but it's pretty telling how the best Troi episode, "Face of the Enemy," was originally written as a Beverly episode.

@@posindustries she along with Kelsey Grammar and David Ogden Steirs are 3 actors whom i think of as true upper echelon performers whose most popular character is one I don't like

Or that it was fulfilling his fantasy in a way he had power to enact. He wished everyone just freaking obeyed his "orders" in real life. When that wasn't possible, he just forced everyone to do it in story form.

3! Spock was in "Reunification 1 and 2"

Watch The Motion Picture. The original concepts for the characters are in it.

Decker and Ilia. Many of season 1 episodes of the next gen where written for Phase 2. The episode, The Child was orignally Ilia having the alien baby. In the next gen it was Troi. Troy and Riker were orignally very much cut and paste Decker and Ilia. Watch the first orignal cast film Star Trek the motion picture.