10 Times Nintendo Was Forced to Censor Their Own Characters | Siiroth 

thank you

Plus it was a sweet strategic disguise

Doesn't make me want Link x Shiek yaoi any less.

Jack King same

it´s like the first Metroid that in the guide they refered to samus as a He, just to make the surprise more....surprising hahahaha

This.

Heh like me!

Also he makes the comment about "having to turn into a man to become more powerful" which is outright incorrect. Zelda did not turn into Shiek to be stronger, she turned into Sheik so that Ganon wouldn't recognize her and allowed her to help Link. This is shown twofold as most of Sheik's help comes in the form of wisdom and advice, which is not gender dependent. And more so in the end when Sheik drops his guard and reveals himself as Zelda only to be INSTANTLY captured by Ganon without him even being present!

Was gonna comment the same thing

Plautaneas guidance even calls shiek he

THANK YOU! SHINOBU YOU ARE JUST AWESOME, THANK YOU!

Look it's just that sometimes people just think too hard and then take things too far

Thank you

Honestly why did he brought this up. The answer is right there. The Sheik debate isn't deep and hardly a censor

People on Twitter literally think Mulan and Lucina are trans as well. 🤷‍♀️

Would have been hilarious if you used him and then her in the same sentence.

Just Pikachud then they

Birdo is truly a "they". Have you seen Birdo in Super Mario Strikers?

@@justpikachud FNaF Mangle In a nutshell.

Birdo is stunning and brave

@Jordan Thompson Sakurai himself has admitted he's an ass man, I think?

Except*

Admittedly, they did have to heavily censor Bayonetta when she uses her hair. It seems that to the ESRB (And similar rating boards), the presence of skin is a bigger issue than their figure alone lol.

@@red5t653 that makes sense after what he did to zss

Bayonetta is super censored. In the actual games she is way more revealing

There's still gonna be a guy saying "Wtf why did they have to spoil that" Like bitch do you leave under a Goron corpse?

Exactly what I was gonna say. It makes no sense why someone would call that "censoring".

No, they referred to sheik as male because he was male. They changed his gender to female later.

Grapeyv Not really. They referred to her as male because at that time she was pulling a Mulan on Ganondorf, the same reason they referred to Link in-game as female while in Gerudo drag. And remember that Metroid also referred to Samus as male for the same surprise factor as Sheik in her game. Of course the secret is as known nowadays as Darth Vader being... you know, so why hide it anymore? And remember that she wasn’t the only princess to pretend to be a dude while in disguise. Remember Lucina?

@@grapeyv lmao, bro you wildin

Yeah, I don't know why it would require a convoluted explaination. It's like Samus in the original Metroid game.

It’s only complicated with the gender identity nonsense of the west trying to use gendered language as a way to validate it. It’s simple she’s very good at drag and didn’t break character

Yeah I never understood why that was a debate, Sheik is a woman disguise as a man and that is as "complicated" as it gets.

I feel like the debate comes from Sheik's design as the N64 the use of male pronouns plus the muscular chest coupled with every other appearance of Sheik is shown with a fuller chest

That’s an interpretation. Like their description in the manual said, they’re Zelda’s "alter-ego". It’s a whole new personnality that Zelda crafted to hide herself, a personnality which is the one of a young man. I’m not talking split personnality or trans identity here, i’m just saying that Sheik could simply be a male character, played by a female "actor". Sheik is not Zelda in the same way that Spiderman is not Tom Holland. At least, that’s my interpretation of the situation as it was presented in OOT

Lurony good description

@@caihly2443 Alter ego tends to commonly mean disguised identity yknow that right?

Zangelin the world "alter ego" was literally created to talk about split personnality disorder, and is still now used to designate another personnality that is distinct from the main one. An alter ego is a new personnality, who can very well have another gender. To get back to the example of acting I used before, know that it was common in the time of Shakespeare that male actor would play female roles (maybe it was systematic but I’m not 100% sure). Does that mean that Gertrude of Denmark is a man because she is played by a man? No, she has been created as a female, and is the actor’s "alter ego", despite being a different gender. This is so obvious it’s not even funny.

Lurony Personally I say it’s not this case when considering OoT from a 90s Japanese perspective. The idea of Sheik being male stems from a mix of Aonuma and the devs wanting to hide her identity from the player as well as the in-lore focus of hiding Zelda from Ganondorf to not obtain Wisdom, combined with the fact that Japan in those times were a very appearance-focused society when it comes to identity. If you dressed like a man and hid your features well enough, for all intents and purposes, you are a man. A dissociative identity/alter ego is much different in context, as generally speaking you can’t just “switch” these identities at will like Zelda does with Sheik, and to put that into context, here’s some examples from around the same time as OoT that make use of alter egos/dissociative identities. The first being Male Shiki from Garden of Sinners/Kara no Kyoukai, whom is an identity that was created by Shiki’s parents to hide her power to A. Prevent accidents, and B. Keep maguses and other existences from learning about her abilities. And generally speaking, Male Shiki does nothing to change his appearance to fit his identity, which I’ve noticed is a common line in Japanese media that portray this properly, so in many cases he’d be misidentified as normal, female Shiki. Now with the second character, we got Boogiepop from Boogiepop And Others/Boogiepop wa Waranai. As with Shiki, Boogiepop is a male identity within the character Touka Miyashita who exists to defend order in the world and appears whenever threats pop out. Generally speaking he conducts himself as he were a male and uses male pronouns, but appearance wise he doesn’t do anything to change much besides wear his outfit to be an identifiable “shinigami” so as to cause threats to act when rumours pop that he’s around. If one were to get close rather than see him from afar at night, he would also be very quickly identified as Touka from standard people that wouldn’t think of dissociative identity playing a part in the character. Likewise, with both characters, they don’t just flip a switch at will and go back to their normal selves, it’s something that happens organically when the situation calls for them to exeunt. This, as I mentioned previously, is in stark contrast to the Zelda/Sheik scenario and I can say with 110% certainty that this was not Aonuma and Miyamoto’s intention when creating OoT.

@@TARDISES I'm one of them, personally prefer the covered versions to the original ones.

Yeah I typically keep that aux core on and tights start to grow on you after a while, but until today I didn't realize they they covered her cleavage in smash, something that never happened in XC2

Tights Mythra is best Mythra.

@@tardigrade8019 I wholeheartedly agree

Actually, I wished they went all in on this idea and have different outfits and custimization for all the blades. Got a generic blade? No it can be purple, got that blade that's a little girl and a polar bear? Christmas dress panda bear skin.

" looks at Lyn" yeah, fair point

Wasn't Summer Tiki censored?

@@regalblade8171 Lyn has big boobs, but she doesn't show anything revealing so she would be fine though I did find it annoying how they made the size of Cordelia's chest armor smaller since in Awakening there is an optional scene where it is revealed that she purposely made it that way so people wouldn't know she was flat.

Lmao so true 😂

@@RaidikV never heard or seen anything regarding summer tiki being censored. Which one are you referring to anyway?

Potato Patato Too bad that never crossed the mind of the woman who filed that personal complaint. Guess it pays to be myopic.

yes. and that's why I hate that censorship. It came from ignorance of Japanese culture.

Oh, so that's why Jynx is ice type.

That and maybe Ganguro. At the very least, it has as much to do with Blackface as Popo does: Nothing.

She looks a bit better imo

@nikz² why do you say wrong things?

are you insane? dont you know that black tights on thighs are the greatest thing ever?

She looks even hotter now

Ok, well, there’s multiple variables to it. Firstly, it doesn’t make sense for her to wear black tights specifically. She’s a light blade (I’m saying blade to make things simple) and is predominately white. I know her personality isn’t all light (if you know what I mean), which I suppose the black tights can represent, but it just clashes with the rest of her attire. But if we’re excluding personality, the artwork of her in the tights is pretty bad at showing she’s wearing tights. It just looks more like her legs are black, which is what they did so....... but her in-game model in Xenoblade Chronicles 2 with the tights is great. Black tights do make Mythra more sexy, but for the most part how they represent Mythra with the tights, it just doesn’t seem right. Her exposed thighs are beautiful

And besides, no one has a problem with still calling Link a guy while in Gerudo drag, right?

Agu Fungus right haha. Honestly props to Nintendo for making the cross dressing thing not too offensive or anything. I mean the NPC who tells link to wear the Gerudo garb may be a bit of a stereotypical gay man/drag queen, but the way the actual outfit change readily fools almost everyone in Gerudo town is just handled in such a nonchalant and cool way. (I mean when the first BOTW trailer was released people thought Link was a girl lol, he looks more feminine/ also kinda androgynous but that’s just kinda the case, and I personally think it’s really cool. : ) )

@@caseys2698 i dont think it matters if its inclusive or not. The gerudo have been around for ages and this is just a funny way to get past them.

Some people say Link is a girl when he's wearing the kawaii gerudo outfit as a joke.

Zelda disguises herself as a man to be even further under the radar

Bayonetta.. right?

@@ahawksjawbc2464 The Great Fairy/Fairies from the Legend of Zelda. In the original Ocarina of Time they only wore thin vines which didn't hit anything. In Twilight Princess they wear no top what-so-ever.

@@Crystal323100 that’s how they look in ultimate too

@@Crystal323100 I’m honestly surprised they got away with the twilight princess design considering how suggestive it is, but I’m pretty sure twilight had a T rating anyway

plus didnt rosie the rivoter also do that same pose?

The disguise Zelda used "storywise" is more to prevent Ganondorf from capturing her. However the surprise reveal works quite well due to Shiek's entirely male body to surprise the player.

See to me, Bowser definitely seemed like he was doing it as an 'up yours' and definitely suits his character. But when Inkling did it I immediately thought of Rosie the Riveter in the WW2 'We can do it' motivational poster. Which I thought was pretty cool, but I get where it can be misconstrued.

what does the motion mean

@@dr.simonius609 basically a comeback insult to anyone that insults you with some relevance to sexual parts, I guess? I don't really know, I only did it, like, around 5 times my entire life...

Like the time the first Metroid game made us believe Samus was a guy. And then there’s, ahem, Lucina’s disguise.

Agu Fungus lucina: * haha i have mask and flat chest i am Marth oops JK lmao fooled you all! 😂🤣😂 *

Wait what is your profile pic

@@endersteve6666 its utsuho Reiuji from touhou being a qt

Like honestly, it totally makes her sexier. Stockings for the win.

I thought you said that zelda was shrek😄

@@time4manmode945 I mean I never saw Shrek and Zelda in the same room before

None of them should be offensive... it’s Nintendo they don’t try to make things offensive... they shouldn’t have to get rid of these things for over sensitive people... it pisses me off that any of these would offend anyone... Nintendo made it the way they made it, let it stay like that. I can’t deal with how sensitive people can be like holy Hell...

A Cat no. But they didn’t do a 9/11 joke.

@@saku5955 so about them being kids games and not supposed to have sexual themes in them I have to somewhat disagree. Why? Well simply watch Star Wars Return of the Jedi. It is meant for kids as well as adults.

@@saku5955 I bet you said the same thing in Disney movies when there is a poster of a strip club or a priest with a boner or all of the thousands of other hyper violent or very sexual references and moments. but no it's Disney, they're Above This.

RED if I’m going to honest I think my comment was dumb I have a problem of just typing without really thinking so my bad

It would have to lose its Ice typing in order for that to happen.

What, she doesn't look good now?

Always wondered why she didn’t get an evolution because I thought she fit into a trio of sorts with Electabuzz and Magmar.

It's not a shame. That thing needed to be forgotten

She evolved into mr po po

Not completely canon since the game removes it for the final cutscene when Mythra and Pyra come out of the core crystal.

@@PsychoGamer2100 thats a pre rendered cutscene

Black doesn’t real match the white on her be honest

Bailey West ya but the age of consent is 12 in Japan

The Shanaman you’re joking.... Oh my goodness, just googled to confirm and you’re correct.... it’s ~13... my god. No wonder anime has ‘waifus’ who look 9 but are “secretly a goddess who is 900 years old”

@@Bailey_West The problem with Lin in my opinion is that even though she is technically 13, you take a look at her and she seems way older, and in the actual game she is an engineer. They create characters that are supposed to be young but then make them look like adults. I just don't get it. If you're gonna have that type of outfits, why make her a 13 year old? Would it really be that much of a difference if she was 18 instead? It just makes everyone uncomfortable.

@@Bailey_West Yes and no. The age of consent in Japan is technically 13, however there are still laws in place that prevent large age gaps from being formed. Being 18 and up while trying to get together with a 13 year old can and will lead to either a misdemeanor or felony. Essentially the age of consent being 13 only really applies if both parties are 13 or slightly above, large age gaps do still lead to legal actions. 18 is still pretty much the "real age of consent" in Japan. There are other rules and differences depending on where exactly you are in Japan that you should probably research if you want more information, but still, age of consent isn't really 13.

Wazow ah that makes a bit more sense, thanks for clarifying!

Because it got censored

Even though its with registeel’s left arm people misinterpreted his pose to say that this fictional metal monster in a children’s game was a nazi

It was only a sprite in Diamond and Pearl, a game where Registeel couldn’t be found in the wild.

Because we normal people dont think everything is offensive. Just like how Karens got offended over the Game Corner in the pokemon games because it promoted gambling.

@@kawaiizeraora8091 "Game Corner" teached me, how much gambling sucks. xD

And there's the disgusting beauty of censorship, it's only offensive when someone tries to make it.

Same, though other commenters have said its very offensive in Italy

I thought the inkling pose was a reference to the “we can do it” poster from WWII

Jordan Tillman ok, yeah, but then why bother making two “western” localizations? Seems a bit silly and like too much work for then to care. Youre dealing with a company here.

It's the equivalent of the middle finger in many Latin countries and some other European countries. I bet in some countries (maybe Japan?) it's seen as a thing that a rascal would do, like blowing a raspberry, but otherwise I can see why Nintendo wouldn't want what's basically the middle finger in one of their kid's games lol

Didn't Torna: The Golden Country come out after Smash Ultimate though?

I think the Outfit is called the Massive Melee Outfit and the Nopon who gives it to you says it’s good for people who like Smashing and Brawling. I think it’s a reference to the Smash Spirit censorship.

It's early game. I got the game in 2019 and you were able to get it at the second camp from the beginning near the village

Gray Shores yeah in the base game he says “does it increase your blasting distance” and something about it being the *ultimate* core in reference to smash ultimate as well

The costume in xenoblade was because people actually loved the censored design so Monolith were like "okay sure we can put in in XB2, not much work effort to do so". Good guys Monolith soft

Because it isn't.

Leer Rosh racism, sexism, transphobia. And more. Yeah man plenty of this stuff is bad lmao what’s wrong with you

@@jehb4123 Its mostly about potential bad publicity/backlash from extra sensitive people that they do this, there is always the chance that someone gets offended from the smallest of details

ItsJoBoi 22 I don’t think being mad about racism is being sensitive lol you don’t sound like a very good person bro

They had to do it before Karen showed up

Well, this was just 10 times (which oddly was a count down). So he should do 10 more times.

*W H A T*

That was the SNES Mariokart where they would pop a champagne bottle wasnt it? I don't think I ever saw anyone drink it though.

@@sherrdreamz7232 Only in Japan, and only Bowser and Peach.

Kevin Lee nah I live in the US and just got Super Mario Kart for my Switch and Mario celebrated with a bottle of champagne

Yeah bro same I got the sudden urge to read the bible too

yeah same dude, god is good

I'm right here we you brother LOL!

What are you thing MHHH

Mah i see what you mean magmar lookin kinda thic

Beau Rafferty I disagree that it’s understandable. Why should media/art be censored? Especially when an artist’s/creator’s/etc’s work is meant to be enjoyed as they made it. People will be offended by anything and everything now, so let them. Yet let people enjoy things as it’s meant to be (as long as it’s not harmful at least).

It’s not. Not in this time. The bar is becoming way to thin

@@silver7215 Sometimes its understandable I dont think anyone wants to see a 13 year old in a bikini

@@silver7215 I disagree. Mythras design for instance wouldn't be ok for a game that's for all ages. As well as that different cultures find different things acceptable. Here in most of the western world a 13 year old wearing a very skimpy bikini is not ok in the slightest.

Yeetus Deletus for girls that are under 18, yes, in an adult’s pov, that’s kinda weird/not cool, but you gotta think, a lot of young people that are the age of the characters in the game (as in, the gamer is also 13 or so) play these games too. And especially for boys around that age is when they start to get those hormones going. And well, that sells. You don’t have to like it, so just don’t play those games. You realize you don’t have to interact with things you don’t like.

Yeah and I think the age of consent in Japan is also like 13 or close to that, so from their perspective I guess it's "alright" for a character of that age to wear such revealing clothing.

@@alexiesrivera8472 read the replies to Bailey West's comment, someone has a well-written response to this exact issue that goes into a bit of detail on the whole "age of consent" topic, and how large age gaps (i.e. 18 trying to get with a 13) is still illegal.

I mean if this clothing is in the game the modders wouldn’t really make the game any worse besides a nude mod

Employees of Monolithsoft being some of them since they patched the game to add that outfit.

Tights still show curves and such with legs, so she's still thicc. And the sudden use of black catches your eye compared to the rest of her outfit.

I wouldn't necessarily say "nowadays", some of these censorships occured over two decades ago.

ElectricHeadSet 87 Digital age- it still counts.

It's more like offended people have been around forever, but the Internet has given them a platform.

Soon in the future ppl will be offended by shoe size

@i .candy I guess it's more to do with having several generations of people growing up in the digital age and interconnectedness with the rest of the world. Normally it's a good thing to introduce people to new perspectives and backgrounds and learn how to deal with differences, but now even the world's village idiots have been able to convene and become heard. The real problem is, some of those village idiots are also our politicians and high-roll investors who get to tell everyone else how to think. Being "woke" has lost all meaning by now. It's not even about social justice anymore. It's about politics controlling the Internet, but that's been happening since the 90s when the Internet was first getting widespread in the US. It's just gotten more and more filtered ever since, but it is what it is.

that's the thing but people think too deeply into it

It appears you have good taste.

Noah get the fucking boat

Noah: *A crud here we go again*

Y O U G A VE T H E M A N I D E A

everyday, we stray further from god.

Especially when Pokémon censors that.

I don't think there is much bulge.

Dieck

actually not every state has 18 as "legal age", some are set at 16 or 17. Yes, I know it's still creepy.

Cultural acceptance still plays a part in this. If 13 was suddenly made the legal age in areas where its 18, we would be disgusted. So many people are disgusted by the states where the legal age is 16, imagine if it was as low as 13.

The minimum possible legal age in japan is only 13 but each prefecture gets to decide its own, and they all decided pedophilia is bad.

Well, it is steriotypical, but since we arent russian, we wouldnt know whether they think it is offensive, but mostly i think not

Mythra's not even the best Light blade, its either KOS-MOS or Corvin.

@PsychoGamer2100 Good joke

Tharja is my waifu

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So what? lmao

@@shivers47 because for obiously reasons

What’s so bad about them

@@david_8916 Tell me.

Don't forget Joker and Snake.

I'm pretty sure most Native Americans wouldn't give a shit about an 8-bit feather that appears on screen for a fraction of a second then disappears.

@@PsychoGamer2100 Most Native Americans don't even have a problem with the name of the Washington Redskins football team.

The point is that it's something that shouldn't have been included. Why risk a portion of your playerbase?

And you know this because..? Do you need a little history refresher or are you just a sociopath?

@@Redheart709 Exactly, they had plenty of other attack ideas they could've used from the dozens of other G&W games but decided to go with the one that might actually upset some people. There's no reason to defend that

@Jordan Thompson it can be a guy

@@ArdenChew271 then put some pants on it

@@ArdenChew271 the one in smash specificly is a female

Guys Incineroar has no pants on

Bro u forgot about shulk

Fans definitely thought so given the amount of fanart that was made afterwards. Honestly I think she looks a lot more mature with the black leggings.

I don't like the yoga pants but I like her design a lot more without the boob window.

I know right? I can actually take her seriously in important story parts

I agree tbh.

faxs

What, young kids?

Okay? What's that have to do with this video?

dappitydingdong saying young kids feel very soft sounds creepy

I agree, and I kind of found the amount of times the game goes out of its way to give you a look up her dress annoying after a while. I mean, when you watch the cutscene of them watching a tirkin threaten Tatazo(Tora's father) in the factory Mythra is literally bending over and giving the player a full view of her ass.

I mean....it's only okay since it's optional, but if I had to pick that over Mythra's original outfit, I'd pass on the censored outfit all day every day. Plus, it's not like it's the end of the world since it only really is mandatory in smash and she's not even playable

Yep, it's like Miru tights

I prefer the original

I disagree with you vehemently, the only censorship we should have is optional censorship. if you don't like something you can flip a switch and change it ( like the helmet hidden feature in games like mass effect) but that doesn't and shouldn't apply to everyone.

That is quite an infamous meme

I don't have the game yet, and i assume (maybe wrongly) that the dlc is meant to be played after you beat the main story, but can you switch Mythra like that before starting the dlc? I plan on getting XC2, and i prefer her censored outfit over her regular one

@@MsGoxel Actually the Torna Dlc is a prequel to the main Xenoblade Chronicles 2 game, so you can play this dlc before, if you were not familiar with Xenoblade like me, or the opposite. And you can change Regular Mythra to Black Stockings Censored Mythra after your first encounter with her pretty early on the game by equip an accessory.

Alphaxel The core for it in the main game you can get early as the npc that gives it to you is a nopon found in Argentum which is the first area and he shows up if you have the game updated to the last patch. Won’t do anything outfit wise until you get Mythra though a couple chapters later down the road (around 15-35 hours in depending on what you do.) otherwise it’s still a solid core for any crit based blade and has the near same value as a base endgame crit core (IV or V IIRC.) As for Torna, it also pops up pretty early too.

@@ivanzoneBR thank you for your answer! I'll probably play the main game before the dlc's story, but it's nice to know that

@@Kanethedragon well, given my (non existent) speed in rpg, chances are the time I'll get myhtra will be on the later end of your estimate

Improvement to your tastes, and yes it's still censorship regardless of if it's cooler, better or if you like it.

You can’t go wrong with leggings if you wanna wear a short skirt and still look modest especially if you’re gonna be in combat

The sudden black actually draws your eyes more.

Pervert.

This comment needs more likes, maybe a pin.

No, it was censorship. She got the stockings skin after the fact, but was given those in Smash to censor her.

Why

For reasons like this and more I often wonder why some Pokemon have an E rating instead of a E+10. I do not want to sound like an old-school puritan or even worse, a progressist puritan, but some of the elements aren't a good idea to put in a children's game like animal abuse or some dialogues or artworks.

Same

I thought it was a spoon

True but theres a line when make something far

@@thesandkingdom yes, but everyone’s line is different and we are letting the weakest people in our society draw those lines for everyone.

@@billystink4611 Bro there is a universal line everyone agrees. Theres a difference between being sensitive. Also Women dont feel comfortable being sexualized and Men aren’t Women.

Now if someone is getting mad over some leg showing then YEA they are sensitive. And its ok if some fan service but Obviously theres line that mustne be crossed in a E game.

@@thesandkingdom I agree that there may be some vague universal lines, I just don’t agree that they extend to fictional art. As long as real people aren’t being made into victims then no harm is being done (usually). Sometimes art is meant to make people feel uncomfortable, if they are too sensitive and don’t like it, they don’t have to view it. We used to build our society around the strongest people in it. Now our society just panders to the weak, instead of making them stronger.

I actually think the censored version of mythra was actyally an unintentional upgrade i really dig that version more

Thanks