This ALMOST Got Smash Ultimate Cancelled 

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The Diddy Kong as Dee Jay, it's because his monkey flip references Dee Jay's similar move, the Double Rolling Sobat.

The Min Min & Twintelle situation is the biggest joke to me. Nintendo can add who they want to the game, they shouldn't be forced to bend over backwards to please the crybaby woke crowd. Min Min was the most popular character among fans and among the creator of the game, so it makes sense to choose her.

None of these “racist” decisions made by Nintendo would have had enough momentum to cancel smash. In fact, I doubt they would or could have had any effects on sales.

So many things -DK is perfect for Mr. Sandman from a moveset perspective. The main thing about Mr. Sandman is that he punches like a truck. No better character in the roster to represent this. They were also probably wanting to avoid representing every punchout character with Little Mac spirits -The feather was trying to mimic the original game, and importantly, was removed with a statement as soon as footage of it happened. -Min Min being chosen over Twintelle is not them choosing not to include a black female character; it’s not going out of their way to choose a Smash character based on race alone. It appears that they wanted to represent Arms as a whole game with the character, for which non-armed character would be out of the running for (I’m guessing Mechanica was also not considered for the same reason) Also, they simple picked the character the creator likes best and asked them to put in the game. As for Bayonetta, the Smash Ballot never once said that any character from any ranking would definitely be in the game. They wanted survey data and we were happy to provide it but they were super non-committal with their language. -As for the trans flag, objectively speaking, “Trans Rights Now” is a political statement. It’s a call for political action, for lawmakers to do an activity. Flooding the stage builder with trans flags is also, objectively, a political action, you might even call it a small-scale political movement. Regardless of whether we agree with the political statement in question, and I personally do, it’s their right to not allow any political speech in their platform If they didn’t remove all political speech, they’d also either have to allow the other side to have full right of political free speech (so a stage saying “no trans rights” would also have to be allowed to stay, for example) or they’d be forced to take specific stances on which political stances were considered “correct” and which weren’t, and ban “incorrect”’ politics. Asking an intern to ban stages that are political is a tall order, but doable. Asking the same intern to choose which politics are correct and which aren’t is a subjective and complex task that no one person can reasonably perform perfectly.

I'm more ok with Byleth in Smash and will always argue for their inclusion in Ultimate. The difference between them and Corrin has to do with the success of the games. While Fates sold well, it wasn't that well received amongst fans, so I feel like they could've done without Corrin (even though I like playing as Corrin). Three Houses has some fans that weren't pleased with the way it came, it overall pleased the majority of fans. Old fans were happy to see that it leaned away from being a "Waifu simulation," having one of the worst stories in Fire Emblem history, and having the shallowest cast in the series to something that felt like Fire Emblem, but different. Yeah, the differences between Three Houses and classic Fire Emblem were enough to deter some fans, but it was enough to keep the majority happy and bring way more fans to the series, even more than Awakening did. If Corrin wasn't in Smash I truly believe that Byleth would'nt have been such a big deal simply because it made much more sense than adding in Corrin.

A lot of these just seem like people on Twitter being too sensitive, as usual.

The Min-Min vs Twintelle "race issue" is probably one of the biggest loads of bullshit I've heard in awhile

I don't see the sandman thing as racist, I see it more as really fitting since donkey kong is a big strong character who has really strong punches, that was my view and the other reason I didn't even consider, looking now though, I do think it makes sense with the issues it recieved

I've reached the twintelle controversy part of the video and I just have to say JESUS CHRIST people were blowing all this shit way out of proportion. No there isnt any racism, people are looking way too deeply into this shit. The game and watch thing I can get, but fuck, everything else is a massive stretch

My mother in the background after hearing the Twintelle diversity issue: "IT'S A JAPANESE GAME! Why does it have to be an American thing?!" An excellent point to be honest, lol

I want to say isn’t it better that they didn’t choose Twintails solely because of her race? cause that’s basically saying the only important thing about her is her race… not any special character traits, or cool moves…

I just think people take things way too personally or read way too far into things, if something political is blocked or taken down, or a specific skin tone is used, not all the time, but it’s quite common. Nintendo is avoiding political things, from what I’m seeing, but people get too hurt about it.

Tbh I didn't even know Min Min had major drama around it I thought only Byleth caused a large amount of anger among the smash community

I think it's worth noting that stages that simply contained the trans flag, with no addition of the word "Rights" were mostly untouched. Any statement pushing for civil rights is objectively a political statement, many people arguing for it would agree, as to disagree would diminish the importance of it.

The Racist spirits controversy was a massive grasping at straws if you ask me, hell the Tac spirit wouldn't even involve a character if they didn't change the race of the 7th and 8th pallette for Villager

smash was never going to get "cancelled" because of byleth, people were just annoyed it was a wasted slot. nothing big enough to make them stop playing or "cancel" it

Robin and Lucinda weren’t included to promote their games, they were included because sakurai was playing awakening on his off time

I don’t think that Nintendo did anything “wrong” in this video. There may have been some widely disagreed upon things, but nothing was outright wrong.

The main reason min min was picked was because its supposedly the most popular arms character in Japan or something like that

People introducing race issues to Smash need to calm down. Not everything needs to be a race issue. Sure, there is a distinct lack of black female characters in Smash, but why is that a problem specifically? This isn't the real world; it's a game. There's literally no reason to introduce real-world issues into a game.

Thank you for mentioning the ballot. As soon as sora was announced, even though i was really happy about it, i was immediately requesting Nintendo to share the results

Most of Ultimate's controversies were just stupid people putting race into a platform fighter game.

People who believe Twintelle lost due to racism are really looking for something to complain. I mean sure Twintelle is popular, but she doesn't even fight with her arms, so she'd be honestly a poor pick to represent the series, not to mention that Min-Min is the most popular Arms-character. Really the only alternatives were in my opinion Springman, Ribbon Girl, Ninjara or Max Brass.

Wouldn’t Min-Min be considered an Asian character??

I’m just saying: byleth is honestly one of the more unique FE characters, I’d say them, robin and marth are the most unique characters within that series reps, everyone else are mostly marth remakes

Like a wise man once said "Corrin is the Shrek the Third to Byleth's Shrek Forever After!" Edit: Obviously, some people don't get the reference and are taking it way too seriously. It's from a Schaffrilas Productions vid about Fire Emblem. Just go watch it. Edit the Sequel: No, I don't hate Byleth (In fact, I love Three Houses). Yes, I disliked Corrin and their game before the reveal. Edit the Third: All of this is opinion based. Chill. Edit Forever After: If you like Corrin that's great. If someone says they dislike Corrin don't hate that person for hating Corrin. You should never berate someone because you have different opinions.

The Byleth thing was stupid. Yes FE is overrepresented. But Byleth plays super different and that is what matters no?

The people that actually participated in these controversies lead the most comfortable lives ever.

I’ll have to criticize this video on the racial controversy section. The whole issue of race representations is very unlikely to be intentional. People on the internet, especially in the US, love to overblown political issues in video games, and this is a game from a country that doesn’t focus on the same politics. Let alone are knowledgeable about any of these issues to treat them how we do.

A lot of these controversies kinda baffle me, I do agree that things like the game and watch one should have been changed and it did, but the Min Min and TwinTale debate is kinda childish, Min Min won out because she was not only the most popular but better represented arms as a whole

I really enjoyed this video but my main problem with most of these arguments is the assumption of negative intent. At the end of the day Sakurai and the team at Sora limited have no practical reason to be racist (coming from a person of color), this passion should be focused more on new games, its not smash's place to add a person of color just to add one, and it would be done disenguineously. 🤷🏾‍♂️

I remember hearing about Smash Ultimate before the game's launch, got a school shut down due to the staff misinterpreting the Smash Emblem as something dangerous

I think the reason black characters aren’t too common in games, is because the companies are nervous about accidentally using a racist stereotype or something else racist. Thus the characters not have too much a role.

Honestly the people complaining about the spirit choices are the REAL racists for even thinking about the comparisons in the first place. I doubt that was even on the mind of anyone working in Sakurai's team.

When it comes to Byleth, it's kind of interesting. There weren't any characters that I was wanting from either fighters pass except a second Xenoblade rep (Be it Elma or Rex/Pyra/Mythra) I was just in it for the hype and for seeing the roster grow. I just wanted the new characters; I didn't really care who it was! ...But even I as a guy who did not care that much felt the sting of disappointment with Byleth. Fire Emblem really is overrepresented in my opinion... However! I have since gotten over it because Byleth IS fun to play, has good music, and is a much more unique character than Chrom or Lucina. And I did get my Pyra/Mythra, so who cares? In the end that is all that matters, right? Steve and Sora though... I still cannot believe it... They were also characters I wanted, but was CONVINCED it wouldn't.

6:05 I'm still so upset they removed the bit on f-smash, and I'm native american

I get the rest, but the people that think MinMin was chosen because of racism need to grow up a bit. That's ridiculous and a huge reach.

Honestly, Nintendo really has a love-hate relationship with a large part of it's fanbase, always has. The big "N" has always had a "my way or the highway" attitude for a lot of things, partly because that's what's kept them in business for decades, or at least that's what they think. The matter of Min Min makes sense in full context, since not only is Min Min one of, if not the most popular character from Arms, you also have to keep in mind that Nintendo is a Japanese owned, and based company, so it's only natural they prioritize characters that would appeal most to their home market, the Diddy and Donkey Kong are for obvious reasons, more difficult to explain, but to put it bluntly, Japan as a country sort of has a reputation of being less than educated about foreigners, especially those with drastically different cultures and skin color. Not to say that it's malicious, but it is definitely ignorance and controversies like this are common among Japanese media depicting foreigners, because quite frankly, the average Japanese person in a lot of places just plain hasn't seen many foreigners, and when they do meet foreigners, Japan has some of the thickest cultural barriers towards people from the west. Honestly, the game and watch detail is just weird, possibly Nintendo trying to pay tribute to the older version out of misguided nostalgia? I don't really understand the logic behind that one. It's not likely to be intentionally racist in any way as it is just a strange design choice, after all, Nintendo being a Japanese business quite literally has no steak in the history of Native Americans, again, likely ignorance, but not malice. The Trans thing is likely something to do with Japan's highly conservative culture, and as such, Nintendo was trying to avoid upsetting people who may see those levels in their native country, oddly, making things more political by saying you don't want your game to be political, ironic. And of course, Nintendo has always been on a crusade against emulation and fan made content for ages, and likely also will be for ages. Nintendo consoles are always the first consoles to be emulated for every single generation, there's actually already some functional Switch and WiiU emulators, so to some degree, it makes sense why Nintendo is always trying to bury emulators as much as possible, even overseas, especially when you realize that game emulation is even more legally dubious in Japan, and I think possibly even outright illegal. The vast majority of controvery you'll see about Nintendo, will be due to it still functioning as a Japan-based company, rather than thinking more internationally. Unfortunate, but that's how it is, and how it will be for the foreseeable future until either Japan has a lasting cultural shift, or Nintendo does.

8:25 Yup, because with Twitter everything has to be about race, it's not like the character lost due to the popularity contest or because the developer of Arms asked Sakurai to put Min Min in the game. It's because she's black.

I'm not trying to be racist but I feel like Donkey Kong as Mr. Sandman works, this is because both Mr. Sandman and Donkey Kong are Heavy Hitters and big

Alternate title: People are too sensitive about some things.

Nice video. That was explained very well and I understood everything. Thanks

8:44 Min Min is Asian, not white.

As a Byleth player and Fire Emblem fan, I’m glad the cast is the way it is. Of course I am.

I still think any of the controversies about Nintendo *adding in their own first-party characters* are dumb as hell.

I stand by the opinion Mr Sandman should've been added to diversify Smash's roster. Like, I get why they choose Donkey Kong to represent him (DK is literally the secret final boss to Sandman's final boss), but Sandman represents Mike f***in Tyson! He's representing one of the most iconic moments in Nintendo history, he's a heavyweight, he'd be perfect to compliment Little Mac with heavier and relatively faster special moves that break things easier but slower neutrals. The reason why Mac doesn't get another rep is unfortunately the same reason Falcon will never get another...

I will personally never let nintendo get away with their online "service." I had the free trial and saw enough.

8:50 This is pretty much only under the assumption that they actively chose not to include Twintelle because she's a black female. You worded this like "Min-Min took the spot from Twintelle" when in reality, it was always going to be Min-Min because that's who they chose

There’s kind of a mix here between just unpopular choices (broken characters and choosing byleth), hilariously stupid accusations of bigotry (not choosing twintelle, spirit choices, etc), the emulator stuff, which I think is dumb but they’re within their rights to do it, and then of course actual the actual crimes committed by members of the community. Side note about sandman: that fight instills the fear of god in me every time I try it, and it’s because of DK. Little mac is a little dude, whereas donkey Kong is a hulking bruiser like sandman. It’s pretty obvious he was chosen because of the size of the fighter, since little mac’s whole thing is he’s a smol boi.

I don't get the whole Twintail race comments. Min Min is Chinese right? That's representation that I don't think we've seen before sooo

"Chrom wasnt original enough to justify this, he was a clone character" >Showing Ganondorf footage

11:20 it is a political statement, saying “rights” implies that they don’t have the political influence of others which at least where I live simply isn’t the case. I think it’s just one butthole at Nintendo taking down trans flags.

twintelle wasn't even considered to be the final two by Sakarai it was between min min and ninjara and the creator of the game told Sakarai that he wanted nobody but min min in smash since min min was his own main in arms

Awakening characters were added because awakening was the game that saved the fire emblem series (it was supposed to be the final one until it sold gangbusters) this was evident before smash 4 came out. but I can see where the confusion lies, the whole debacle is a mess of techicalities

I thought the whole Donkey Kong Mr. Sandman spirit battle thing was because he was Mr. Sandman was the second to last boxer and one of the most difficult characters in Title Defense mode in Punch-Out!! Wii before Donkey Kong, which makes some sense like you said. The only other counter for the Min Min/Twintelle race issue was that Min Min is also a person of color with her race being Chinese.

10:41 eeey that’s my shronk stage. Glad to see it’s still getting some love

Mr sandman for donkey Kong fits because they both hit REAL FUCKING HARD

Well, to be fair that tournament was sponsor and parnered by Nintendo; other slippi tournaments were not affected, like Smash Summit X. So, for me it was pretty blown out of proportion.

9:37 I remember hearing about a tournament with all of the arms fighter. Where the best player of each fighter played. And min min won it. And the rewards was something for the player and the fighter was going to get something. And i think that something was them joining SSBU

When you insult your own viewers while trying to get them to buy something

Always thought Diddy was Deejay because they have a similar jumping around and kicking fighting style and also the alt used is close to his colors in 4

The spirits are just people reading into it. DK is Sandman because of Sandman's overhead strikes, much like many of DK's attacks. Deejay is a breakdancing kickboxer, he's all about stylish agile movements and kicks. Look at Diddy's Side B and Dash attacks. Tac is the least defendable, but it's probably just because of the black hair. Especially since his hairstyle looks a little like Tac's head covering. I don't think skin tone ever played a part in it, I think they chose that Villager alt just because it was the only one with Black hair and the hairstyle was similar to the mask Edit: Looking back at it, I guess I remembered Villager's hair color wrong for that alt, it's about the same as the other hair colors. So I really don't have any idea besides hair style for Tac being that villager color, and even then the other alt with that hairstyle fits just as well. That one I can see getting a little backlash because there's seemingly no reason. I don't think it's intentional, but that is a bad looking coincidence

There is literally no thing that couldn’t make Twitter go bongos

gotta love how kirby doesn’t change at 17:34

As a black man I will defend donkey Kong for sandman they're both hand-in-hand brawlers some might argue Ganon or Captain falcon but no they just don't work for him plus Gannon uses a sword and warlock punches is it. However Nintendo messed up with DJ because he's a black man that break dance sure but they gave him a monkey think about that who other characters that can break dancing fighting style sheik and zero suit Samus so if zero suit Samus is busy being Chun-Li then the next best thing should have been sheik.

Donkey Kong and Mr. Sandman are both the strongest fighters in Punch-Out!! Diddy Kong's favored Monkey Flip references Dee Jay's similar special move, the Double Rolling Sobat.

i think what people missed by the twintelle minmin thing is that there was some competition worldwide between every ARMS character, and Min Min won, with Ninjara coming in a very close. the producer of ARMS requested the winner of said competition, that being Min Min

Two potential problems if they chose twintelle that might have happened is they might have to add a hit box for her hair making her easier to hit and they might hit higher than the other characters making it harder to hit characters like pichu and pikachu

This was a quite interesting video, and I didn’t know about some of this. However, I must the thumbnail is one of the worst clickbait thumbnails I've ever seen. In the rare chance that you see this Siiroth, I'd recommend changing it and give people a better impression of your videos, because they’re better than that.

Well nintendo didn't lie about the ballot. They said based on who was also negotiable. Sora may have 1 but during smash 4 disney most likely said no. So they went with bayonetta who was probably a lot easier to put in the game

You're channel is awesome! I hope you get to 100k subscribers! 😄

9:00 There's also a lack of Asians, Latinos, indigenous people (took that reference out) quadrupedals, and fish. Why do people want to force everything into everything? A dish with less seasonings will taste better than one with every seasoning

It seems more likely that the racism was accidental, given that Japan is still fairly isolated from the rest of the world. I think they tried to go with what they thought made the most sense, and genuinely didn't realise the connotations.

8:17 bruh obviously there gonna choose Min-Min over Twintelle because the whole point of the game those two characters are from is to use arms. Twintelle uses hair and is seen on the more unique side of things. I’m sure Nintendo wanted there first rep in this series to use Arms yep people want to cry over this and say it was a racist pic as an excuse 🙄.

Holly molly bfdi mouth alert I SAY BFDI MOUTH ALERT

The Mr. Game and Watch feather scenario was blown out of proportion. I get the origin, but like, come on. It’s just a feather from a video game.

Min Min is Asain not white lol

Did people really say or think Byleth wasn’t ‘overly unique’? Cuz uh, they use 4 different weapons in there play style, if it was monster hunter character instead would people call their moveset not overly unique in some parallel universe. I’d love to discuss this.

11:01 it might have just hit it's expiration date, everything posted online in smash bros has one

Actually, Byleth is probably one of the most diverse Fire Emblem characters moveset wise. When you sit down and look at their moves, they essentially boil down to sword, axe, lance, and bow attacks. All of which are weapons used in Fire Emblem, and the latter 3 haven't been implemented to a FE moveset yet. Even if they still use a sword in their moveset, it's actually a very unique sword, as it can extend for more range (like Ivy's sword from Soul Calibur) and a majority of the moves it's used for (up tilt, forward tilt and dash attack being exceptions) show off the sword/whip/grappling hook combo that really shows how unique of a fighter Byleth is. For those of you who don't believe me and still hate Byleth because they're still another Fire Emblem character, I used to have the same opinion, but I changed my mind when I realized she technically isn't just a sword fighter, but rather a well-rounded fighter.

Fire Emblem was niche prior to Awakening. Were it not for the success of Awakening, and how it reinvigorated Fire Emblem, the franchise wouldn’t have as many reps in Smash Ultimate. Fire Emblem Heroes has in the past been Nintendo’s most successful mobile game. In terms sales rate, it seems like Fire Emblem is on track of joining the ranks of Super Mario, Legend of Zelda, and Pokémon; so is Animal Crossing.

All of them (expect for the G&W one) are the community's fault

Ahhh, you ment THAT cancelled. Lol, thanks for saving me having to watch the rest of this video.

great vid as always man

With the whole fighter pass thing, it’s your fault if you buy it and don’t get what you want. Sakurai made sure to tell you to only buy it if you thought it was worth it to you. I get being sad about the last Character, but still.

The people who keeps putting race into these situstion are the true racist. The spirit controversy is stupid especially since the characters that are used are represented based closely on the smash fighter that has a similar moveset. And twintelle controversy is especially stupid since nintendo can pick whoever they want and not to mention when min min first came people people immediately said she was a white girl when she is Chinese

I don't get the spirit battles arguments, I'm gonna need an entire high school writing assignment length explaining it.

In summary: Twitter plays video game and gets mad

Ok, AM2R has an excuse for being shut down, even though its not a good one Samus Returns was in the works

your handling of these subjects has seriously made me grow so much respect for you, I honestly came into this expecting a kinda stupid video to capitalize on drama but you talked about these and platformed these ideas in a very responsible way good job man this is awesome

remember that one time a game journalist though that a slur was said in a persona 5 song coming the release of joker in the game

10:12 how? They probably would end up having similar things people don’t like as well

Smash Bros does have this weird tendency to act as an advertising platform for Fire Emblem. Roy was put in Melee to promote Binding Blade before that even came out, Ike was put in Brawl to promote Radiant Dawn, the newest release at the time, Corrin was added to Sm4sh to promote Fates before that even came out, and Byleth was added to Ultimate to promote Three Houses, which was still a relatively recent release at the time. No other series really gets that sort of treatment from Smash Bros.

18:56 they do, you just have bad internet

Fire emblem awakening had released atleast a year already by the time smash came out. And fates had already released in Japan.

There are way more spirits than there are fighters so not every single one of them needs a reason to be with a character regardless as there is just too many spirits to provide a reason for them being with a specific character

Mickey Mouse could realistically get into smash because he becomes public domain in 2024

Maybe the G&W situation is justified, still tho, just because it's an older version... why are people really angry about that? It speaks volumes when people of that race say it isn't offending them. It's just a case of not so bright people being louder. I thought a few things were subtly racist. Like the mexican trainer in Pokemon advance that trained a ludicolo with drums. G&W is a "Maybe" Every other controversy is... just blown way out. Like, ngl, who'd be a better fit for the sandman spot? DK was a final boss. (although rn I think a Giant Little mac could've been used if they REALLY didn't wanna use DK.) and for Dee Jay... yeah I don't know who fits him so maybe Diddy was a random pick. Love the video as it was a little trip down memory lane for me. Thank you :D Edit: Actually… nahhh, G&W could’ve stayed with the feather piece imo. If representation is the big must these days I see that look for G&W to be okay.

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