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It's never been a myth. Every bass head know you can make 10s pound like 12s in the right box and the right amp. It's air space.....it's really that simple. I've seen 8s that were way louder than 12s.
Only if the 12's weren't setup right and power wasn't equal to what the 10's were pushing. All else being equal 10's will never out perform 12's, you are just wrong. Nobody but dillholes gives a single F about comparing proper setups to improper setups.
@@MotoAtheist I'm not wrong. Maybe you should read what I said again. I never said any of what you pointed out. Jackass. If you don't believe me go watch some of Steve meades builds.
And what exactly would be the point? This demo was an "all else being equal" scenario so even if you put them in a small vehicle, the outcome will be the same. As long as you can provide the proper box for the sub, the larger sub will always win out when all else is equal... ie, same location, same power.
@@bass305-HCCA LOL! Sure thing. That's why you never see big subs in smaller vehicles... oh wait, pretty sure I saw tons of them at Slamology and can find tons on RU-vid as well. Yeah, large subs are just garbage, useless junk, waste of money.
Hey man thank you. Sick of hearing people say my 8s sound like 12s mbenclosure people. So sick of that crap. They are different for a reason. If 8s played like 12s why make a 12 at all? Thank you
You are misunderstanding what people are saying. An 8 in sub in a specifically designed box can sound like a 12. Also some people buy expensive 8s and compare it to cheap 12s. There’s so many factors that this video isn’t about.
Maybe the guy didn't have a very good 12, and the 8 he got after was way better and had it on more power with a better tuned box. You can make an expensive high power 8 sound better than a cheap crap 12 in a Walmart box. But apples for apples like this comparison, the 12 will be louder.
@@benjamin5909 That's what Redman is saying, the video is apples to apples. In an all else being equal scenario, the larger subs always win out. Redman is agreeing with you. Eric is a chump and is exactly why videos like this are made, because of people like him who don't get it. Nobody gives a single F that somebodies high powered quality 8" can beat out a piece of S wally world sub. Nobody cares about wally world junk.
Parker it’s a lot of new bass heads out here that’s looking for info on how to wire subs properly and your the man to teach them please show them the way brother 💯
if you tested from 35 hz down to 20 hz the 10s wouldnt even be a competitor. i like my music to be complete. i put the biggest i can fit. if i can afford it , in that truck i would go with an 18 or 2 15s . with a significant mid bass source up front somehow.
@@tylerfabish5578 the low end. some 12s can get there kind of. i have never heard a 10 that can. there isnt a substitute for mass as far as moving lots of air. if you are familiar with pink floyd there is lots of really low bass. listen to the difference between a 15 and a 10. 4 10s and 2 15s backed up by some solid 6.5s with the 15s cut off at about 80 and lower and the 10s from 80 to about 300hz then your mids and highs. but the mids should play to about 120 hz. in most cars you need extra midbass or else it can sound tinny
I’d like to see the same frequency test, but start at the low power like 5/10 watts and double the power in steps. Just to see how much power someone would really need/want were they perceive it to be loud and clean
thats the kind of thing the end user is going to have to figure out. im not big on saying subjective but what someone wants to hear is definitely subjective to their tastes
Loud is different than "hit" 10s definitely "hit" harder than 12s but 12s are able to carry low end bass longer and lower hz than 10s. Personally I like the punch of a 10 and my MTX6000s can carry as well as they hit, old but still sound awesome after all the torture I've put them through. If I buy new subs it will most definitely be MTX or Ground Zero hands down
I just installed to day my skar evl 10 and man it's loud I live it it sounds great it's wired with skar 1500 watt amp skat wiring and a skar line output converter it's works amazing sound quality it goes perfect for my bose system in my cadilcac cts sport wagon and it such a good sub although it's really easy to wire stuff cadilac cts are hard to find stuff on and no really has stuff on my male of car so it took a bit but 10 out of 10 great amazing sub worth the 500 bucks I spent on the whole kit
Hey man you got an amp you sell for cheap? I'm just getting into the hobby and have a pretty decent setup in my s10 (planet audio ac10d) in a 336 customs ported box but someone stole my old azz pioneer 2000watt 4ch amp.
I looked up the specs and they both can use a 2 cubic foot box. Could use 1 box for the test and make a adapter to fit the 10. I think it would be as close as you can get then
not really. Put the 12 in a bigger box and see the comparison. Reason why they make different sub sizes is because of size constraints of vehicles. To me the better comparison would be if you have 10 cuft to build a box how loud can you make that space. Can you get louder on 10-10's? or 5-12's? 3-15's or 2-18's? I'd say the 10's would win out. That is if you had an unlimited budget for amps, alts, batteries etc. which all take up room as well.
@@bubbawubba2307 10's need about 1.25cf with ported, so you are few too many there, try 8 10's instead. 8 10's = 628 cone area. Should be able to fit 6 12's=678 cone area. 4 15s=706 Cone area. CF for 18's are all over the place so 2 is probably a good compromise, only getting 508 cone area. In your 10cf scenario, 4-15's win out. If an 18 can be found that only needs 3.3cf, you could do 3 at 763 cone area and the 18's win out.
Have a question please help I’m very curious what is the difference between and what does it mean on the SVX-12v2 D1 and SVX-12v2 D2 please make a short video explaining it and which to get!?!?!?
My 10" EVL wouldn't fit in any of the Skar prefab boxes other than the one made specifically for the EVL. The basket was too large. Did you have to shave the opening in that SDR box for it to fit?
Merry Christmas parker! just bought 2 10 inch american bass xfl's gonna pair them up to an old orion hcca D5000 by directed electronics just need to find a decent plan for a box. chose those subs mainly due to your revies on the american bass subs you have done
Have you ever heard the first car audio 8 4ohm hit in the 65 hz to 90hz punching you're chest. If you don't know what I'm talking about. You haven't heard it. Wish you did . Amagine that with a modern speaker .
But can a dummy like me sit in the drivers seat and hear the difference of 2-3 dB? I don't think so. So what I really take from this is... save some money and maybe some inches³ and go with quality 10s.
science hasnt come far enough to make up for cone size. bigger sub equals more air movement= more bass. i always wanted an 18in sub in my car. small subs cant hit low notes and thats probably why he started at 35hz
@@GetFuktPriusOwners do you have room to keep it and maybe add 4 8s or 10s to fill in the holes? or is that the 18 just over powers everything else? you know like make the music sound "muddy"
Why can’t I just message Parker lol I done watched a bunch of videos and am currently placing an order at D4S but not sure what all I need etc. safe to say yes I’m new to this lol
there's so many factors that can affect the output on each subwoofer: powr yhandling, surface area, box sizes, material quality, port size, car size/ type. The list goes on and on :P
Hey @Parkerthebasehead I Would be curious what happens with the numbers if each enclosure was toned to maximize the spl of the woofer in the given environment. I’ve never seen a video of yours where you gave consideration, or rather focused on enclosure tuning. If so I would like to see it.
You should do a review on the American Bass Godfather 12 on a big boss 3 taramps in your dream truck in a 2.75 cubic inch box because that is my dream build for my 2003 Ford f250 supercrew and verse it against the American Bass XMAXXX 12 in the same box and Amp
I have a single 10 in a cadillac xts vsport. Very big trunk. And that 10 is loud crispy and deep. I have a level 3 12 in my toyota and it digs deeper and shakes more I have a t1500 bdcp on the 12 and a damore engineering e700 on the 10. Both are pretty dang great. O went small and less power in caddy cause o don't want it sounding like a tin can rolling down the street like my toyota 😂
the sensitivity and max rms it can take should dictate how loud it is, you could have a 12 thats louder than a 10, and vice versa, also tuning freq of the port
Hey I got the big boy Psi Platform 5 15's if you wanna hit me up I could get you some got a pair and no wait time as I had to wait 3 months to get these bad boys and i decided a little late to get some sundowns instead.
Had to delete and re comment on correct video! Haha. Been watching too many of your videos. Also, my fave part of all your videos is how you spl “dyno” all of these subs! Thank you! 🎉
Are there any other SPL meters than spl_lab that will measure my subwoofer? Spl_lab is very expensive. My umik-1 microphone reaches its limit in my car 😢 at 123db
By the human ear which differentiates sound 3 dB or higher at a time, they will register to the ear as being equal by this test. Vehicle size for ex impacts the result as well. I've run 2 15's, 2 12's of multiple brands, 2 10's & 4 10's. Outside of 2 15's which were absolutely loud my trophy went to the 4 10's which was loud, clear & violent when wanted
How's everything going sir am really hoping u can help me out I have a 2014 Mazda CX 5 with the Bose system am going to change my head unit and speakers but I don't know if I want a amp and subwoofer combo or just go with a amplifier and one 12inch sub it's a hard decision
Don’t throw up a video to just slap some content up take your time do all the test show stuff explain more that’s what made you stand out in the first place just coming from a og that had learned from you from the beginning
I have a friend that rocks ks the loaded scar sealed dual 10 box and he was under the impression they would be louder than my solo baric l5s on about the same power...he was wrong😮
Technically since lower frequencys are usually less in DB because of lower sensitivity the most you'll get is better bass response. You might get slight DB gain with a bigger driver.
It might have been worth mentioning the improvements in acoustic impedance matching as driver area increases. Also, a larger driver using less excursion to provide the same spl as a smaller driver will generally sound better - more relaxed, if you will...
10-12’s are always pretty equal.. more cone area but the biggest thing is 12’s are usually more efficient. Little extra cone and better efficiency with similar power means the 12 will always be louder.. can’t debate science.. Many real world variables though.. Can’t lie I know skar is hated by lot of people and rightfully so.. but as a DC JL guy I absolutely love the evls.. not in 8 or 6.5 lol they aren’t built the same and really not even the same line of subs tbh.. but the evl for what they are.. what they can do for the price.. they bang and they get low and they don’t have to have a massive box to do so.. Had a single in my caddy daily for a while and she bang.. 140.7 on music off just 935w.. Sub and box still living on in my daughter’s Nissan now and she’s the loudest in her entire school by rep.. never metered hers and it’s got nowhere near the amount of sound deadening that I had.. but she’s also got 350 more watts or so then I was running.. prob only high 30’s though. Gonna have to do her alternator and battery soon cause that 135amp alt is struggling hard. That will be after I finish my new truck though lol😂 waiting on my new alt, subs and battieries as we speak 😏 going down from 12’s to 10’s though.. was pushing the limit with box size at 12’s and I knew it.. missing on the lows a little although to be fair a lot of that is prob cause of the lack of power as I’m dropping to 11’s on deep hard hits.. My new dcs will be here this week as will my alternator.. might add another run of 0g while I’m at it since I got some laying around.
That's the problem, right, real world variables. This is where people get really confused and can't get past when discussing car audio. Larger subs will always dominate smaller subs all else being equal. But we all know vehicles are not equal and even more so the audio setups in general aren't equal. So they get confused and say stupid S like my 3 8's dominate my friends 2 12's. Yeah, maybe so because they simply aren't pushing the same power and the 8's are in a smaller vehicle where the 12's are in a larger SUV. But these are vehicle issues, not sub issues, right? If that person with the 3x8 had the room for 2x12's, the 2x12's would beat out the 3x8's. But, you can't dismiss ego's either.
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Would you suggest 4 8” subs or 2 10” subs or maybe even 2 12” subs either under backseat or behind backseat of a 02 f250. Looking for something that will definitely give me way more bass than my one 12” ds18.
I remember choosing 3 10s over 2 - 12s due to the space limitations in my car .. they took all the power my amp could make without being overloaded.. ended up making 144 db so happy with that result. Also I heard 10's can give a better sound quality but i dunno
Smaller subs need to move further in and out to create the same freq. versus larger subs. The more a subwoofer moves, the more distortion it can add. When it comes to bass, smaller subs will always be less quality when it comes to bass. However, the level of tech these days makes these differences far less noticeable. Bass is already less prone to distortion in the first place, hence why people will often push a little beyond clipping on occasion. That's why smaller subs still sound good enough to get the job done. But they will never out do the larger subs sound quality wise all else being equal.
Subs that use the same motor as it goes up in size from 10, to 12, to 15, etc, the Fs will go down as the sub gets larger, and the Qts will go up. One thing few know is if you look at JL subs, as they go up in size, so does the motor size.
the bigger the woofer the better it will do at lowwww hz like 20 or lower thats the only thing that would make a 12 louder than 10,, bigger does better at low hz,, this is what i have always believed
10s can still hit lows, it’s how you tuned the box that determines what notes resonate. But the 12s would be louder though since there’s more cone area
