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What a treat getting Ivan AND Michael in the same room together talking shop…no ego …all priceless experience and talent 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

I love that these guys genuinely love dogs and dog training and although they don’t need marketing, take the time from their busy lives to do things like this, their insight is invaluable ……thanks to all three of you, was thoroughly enjoyable and informative 🙂🙏

Thank you for sharing this conversation, Cameron. I’m sure I will be coming back to this video for years to come

This was amazing! Such a fun time! 3 great trainers - thanks Cameron for this podcast. Truly enjoyed it!!!

Such thoughtful and thought provoking conversation with two awesome, intelligent dog trainers. Thank you for doing this interview Cameron. Wonderful!

Have so much admiration and respect for these guys

I wish I could have done that 5 month course at MES

How fundemental are Crocs in the learning process or chain of behaviours?